I was on an interesting thread that was talking about how the LOST-a-WAYS would split if there was some major incident that divided them. It was an old thread and I can't find my way back now, but anyways if there was some huge event that caused the LOST-a-WAYS to have a division who do you all think would go where. Here is my guess at the split:

Locke's Army

1. Locke
2. Charlie
3. Kate
4. Hurley
5. possibly Sayid
6. Rose
7. Walt
8. Sun
9. Claire

Jack's Group

1. Jack
2. Sawyer
3. Jin
4. Michael
5. Shannon
6. Ana Lucia

Kinda unfair teams but if they did a major split this is how I could see it going. I'm sure everyone has a different view on this, so what's it gonna be?

hmm.....ok if this were to ever happen.... id think this is how itd go.

Locke's Army

1. Locke
2. Sayid
3. Walt
4. Claire
5. Charlie

Jack's Side

1. Jack
2. Kate
3. Sawyer
4. Jin
5. Sun
6. Michael
7. Shannon

Neutral

1. Hurley

i have a feeling more people are geered towards Jack after the whole Boone incident

Claire would be eithera Neutral or a Jack-er.

"There's no such thing as fate."

Rose would probably view Locke's worshipping of the island as a false god of some sort, I think.And Kate... Why would she be on Locke's team? I don't get the impression she trusts him.. at all.

I think sayid should have his own team.

I think Kate along with Sayid would be a possible bridge between the groups.

I think most people will side with Jack because he's more level-headed and stable. I also think that alot of the Lost-a-ways will be neutral, both Jack and Locke have good points so I think it will depend on the situation.

I think more people would go with Jack because he's a doctor.

...Then again they might go with Locke because he can hunt.

hmmm :undecide:

I see Sayid going with Jack because he seems to be more a "man of science" type of guy. I would rather see Shannon go with Locke, but that is just because I don't like the Shayid- ship :biggrin:

Why would Shannon go with Locke after trying to kill him?

I see Kate siding with whoever can benefit her more at the time.

Sayid would be a definite middle man between the groups because he's a man of science but acknowledges that there is something more to the island. He's going to think for himself. Same with Hurley.

Also, Walt would be on Jack's side because he warned Locke not to open it and Locke did anyway.

Also, Walt would be on Jack's side because he warned Locke not to open it and Locke did anyway.

You think.....I don't know, Walt and Locke love to play backgammon. Locke was showing him his abilities on the island and I think he liked it. They always seem to get along pretty well. Although Walt may be forced to go to the Jack side because of Michael.

I see Sayid going with Jack because he seems to be more a "man of science" type of guy. I would rather see Shannon go with Locke, but that is just because I don't like the Shayid- ship :biggrin:

Ever since the greater good, I have thought that Sayid would actually side with Locke. Not that he trusts him, but from this quote:

"I did it because I sense you might be our best hope of surviving here. But I don't forgive what you did. And I certainly don't trust you."

I think that he would be associated with Locke, but would be guarded about it. And of course I think that this would play out fairly interesting with Shannon since she would most certianly be anti-Locke.

I honestly don't know who Charlie will side with. He seems to look on Jack as a big brother (and Jack did save his life..physically) but Locke helped over his addiction...BUT Locke has said nothing to anyone about the heroin..if he had Sayid would never had led Charlie to the small plane. What will Charlie's reaction be when he realizes this?

Claire said there was no such thing as fate..but then Locke gave her that cradle for Aaron. I don't know which way she will go either.

I honestly don't know who Charlie will side with. He seems to look on Jack as a big brother (and Jack did save his life..physically) but Locke helped over his addiction...BUT Locke has said nothing to anyone about the heroin..if he had Sayid would never had led Charlie to the small plane. What will Charlie's reaction be when he realizes this?

Claire said there was no such thing as fate..but then Locke gave her that cradle for Aaron. I don't know which way she will go either.

Of course Charlie did tell Jack in Hearts and Minds:

Jack
I gave you the aspirin for the heroine withdrawal. [Jack nods toward Locke]. What do you think his story is?

Charlie
Who? Locke? The guy's a freak of nature. Highly disturbed. Chances are he probably killed all his mates at the post office the day his mum forgot to put a cookie in his lunch tin. That was my first impression, anyway. Then he saved my life.

Jack
So you trust him?

Charlie
Trust him? No offense, mate, but if there's one person on this island I would put my absolute faith in to save us all it would be John Locke.


Of course dynamics can change over time, but at this time, which was after Jack saved Charlies life, Charlie is pretty firmly with Locke.

Here's what I think

JACK
Sayid
Shannon
Kate
Sun
Jin
Hurley

LOCKE
Michael
Walt
Sawyer
Charlie
Claire

I think Rose would be neutral because she only shows up when they characters need her, unless she's going to play a bigger role this season. And as much as she is a faithful person she strikes as a more down-to-earth, non-supernatural, "God is in control" type person....that's not Locke. (God and Fate are not the same)

Well... I'm not sure Locke is willing to be a leader; as a matter of fact, he seems to prefer let Jack do it:
(1x05 Whiterabbit)

LOCKE: You need to finish what you've started.

JACK: Why?

LOCKE: Because a leader can't lead until he knows where he's going.
Besides, I get the impression that Locke may be eager to show people the way of self improvement (redemption?) kind of guru like ... but not to actually lead them.

In case of a breakup, I don't see him being one of the leaders; He might live alone , retired in the woods, though, like a kind of shaman.

Well, what do you think?

(hope that discussion on Locke's personnality is not off-topic)

Hey all... big fan of the show.. new to the forum, but I'll be posting a lot.... everywhere....

I think it would breakdown as follows:

Jack
1. Kate because she is hot for Jack
2. Sawyer because he likes to cause problems for Jack and he will follow Kate
3. Shannon because Jack gave Boone so much of his blood and she blames Locke for her brother's death
4. Michael because he does like Locke for befriending his son and getting to know him better than he was able to and Michael always wants to prove to Walt that he is better than Locke
5. Sun because she considers Michael he connection to the rest of our castaways and would not want to be without him
6. Jin because he loves Sun and does not fully trust Michael

Locke
1. Walt because he trusts Locke and Locke talks to him as if he is an adult. Locke knew that it was him that burned the raft but didn't tell anyone
2. Claire because Jack was not there to help deliver her baby and he didn't believe that she was attacked until it was too late
3. Charlie because he will follow Claire wherever she goes and that is all that matters to him
4. Sayid because the voices made him go to the faith side of the scale more than the science side and he knows that that is the way that Locke thinks. Also Locke is a hunter and a survivor much like Sayid. I understand that this would mean tearing Sayid away from Shannon, but I think it may put more of a struggle into the plot and would satisfy all the Sayid-Shannon Ship haters out there... but ultimately I think they will still be together...
5. Hurley. I would think that he would be indifferent to the battle between Locke and Jack, and may remain neutral most of the time, but when it comes down to it I think he would follow the food. He would not be a loyalist to Locke in keeping all his secrets and thus I think would be left out of the loop on a lot of things. Remember that he was one of the first that Jack talked to on the beach when they were rescueing Claire.
6. Vincent because he cannot be forgotten... and is loyal only to Walt

...... just my humble opinion

-belly0fdesire

I don't think Claire will hold it against Jack that he was trying to save Boone's life at the same time she went into labor. If she was expecting him to rush to her side away from a critically injured man she would have lost my respect...big time. I've seen no evidence that she held that against him.

The dream thing..there might be some left over resentment but I've seen no evidence of that either.

I think it would be interesting if Charlie and Claire were pulled in two different directions...

Hey all... big fan of the show.. new to the forum, but I'll be posting a lot.... everywhere....

I think it would breakdown as follows:

Jack
1. Kate because she is hot for Jack
2. Sawyer because he likes to cause problems for Jack and he will follow Kate
3. Shannon because Jack gave Boone so much of his blood and she blames Locke for her brother's death
4. Michael because he does like Locke for befriending his son and getting to know him better than he was able to and Michael always wants to prove to Walt that he is better than Locke
5. Sun because she considers Michael he connection to the rest of our castaways and would not want to be without him
6. Jin because he loves Sun and does not fully trust Michael

Locke
1. Walt because he trusts Locke and Locke talks to him as if he is an adult. Locke knew that it was him that burned the raft but didn't tell anyone
2. Claire because Jack was not there to help deliver her baby and he didn't believe that she was attacked until it was too late
3. Charlie because he will follow Claire wherever she goes and that is all that matters to him
4. Sayid because the voices made him go to the faith side of the scale more than the science side and he knows that that is the way that Locke thinks. Also Locke is a hunter and a survivor much like Sayid. I understand that this would mean tearing Sayid away from Shannon, but I think it may put more of a struggle into the plot and would satisfy all the Sayid-Shannon Ship haters out there... but ultimately I think they will still be together...
5. Hurley. I would think that he would be indifferent to the battle between Locke and Jack, and may remain neutral most of the time, but when it comes down to it I think he would follow the food. He would not be a loyalist to Locke in keeping all his secrets and thus I think would be left out of the loop on a lot of things. Remember that he was one of the first that Jack talked to on the beach when they were rescueing Claire.
6. Vincent because he cannot be forgotten... and is loyal only to Walt

...... just my humble opinion

-belly0fdesire

I agree with belly, it seems reasonable how the taking of the sides would play out. However, I'm shaky on Hurley. I think he would be neutral, passing info through to Jack yet posing as a member of Locke. I just see this connection between Jack and Hurley but Locke does provide the food.

Hurley hasn't given any indication that he trusts Locke, so I doubt he would "side" with him ... don't forget, Locke almost blew Hurley up just to open the hatch (which I doubt Hurley would be inclined to forget) and it was Jack that got him to safety. I also don't see the "Locke provides food" argument holding much water anymore, since by all appearances, Locke stopped hunting when he found the hatch, yet the camp has survived on fruit and fish.

As for Sayid? Well, depending on how this split occurs, I could see Sayid agreeing with Jack, but sticking close to Locke to protect whoever is on Locke's side. As Sayid has said many times, he doesn't trust Locke (remember the weird thing with the compass in "Hearts and Minds").

What I find myself wondering, however, is not how the sides will be divided, but why they will be divided, and whether this divide will be philosophical or physical, and whether it is a gradual thing, or a reaction to someone getting hurt/killed or possibly even news from a returning raftee ... I think that will play a huge part in the split. I also doubt the sides will be hard and fast; people will likely switch sides as their opinions change...

I'm thinking since Locke lit the fuse w/him standing there & screaming no, Hurley may have a little doubt in Locke. Jack did dive to push him out of the way & he's always been sort of close w/Hurley...So I don't necessarily think Hurley will pick a side based on the person over what he believes in relation to the numbers.

Having said that, I agree with a lot of Newton's thoughts on where Sayid will stand & how the overall situation will be a ? of philosophy for some, & logistics for others.

Well... I'm not sure Locke is willing to be a leader; as a matter of fact, he seems to prefer let Jack do it:
(1x05 Whiterabbit)

LOCKE: You need to finish what you've started.

JACK: Why?

LOCKE: Because a leader can't lead until he knows where he's going.
Besides, I get the impression that Locke may be eager to show people the way of self improvement (redemption?) kind of guru like ... but not to actually lead them.

In case of a breakup, I don't see him being one of the leaders; He might live alone , retired in the woods, though, like a kind of shaman.

Well, what do you think?

(hope that discussion on Locke's personnality is not off-topic)


Of course it was also interesting that Locke told Boone that they needed Sayid on their side.

Locke
You need to put aside your differences with Sayid.

Boone
He's hitting on Shannon.

Locke [while they are crossing the stream on stepping stone rocks]
He's very competent. We don't want to make an enemy of him. We're going to want him on our side.

So there is something going on, not sure what, or if plans have changed.

Of course the funny thing is that when it came time to open the hatch. Sayid stood against Locke for opening it, and Jack stood with Locke to open it.

I actually don't expect there to be a split anytime soon.

Hmm.

The Jackateers:

1. Kate--at least for the time being. She told Jack that she "had his back" in regards to the "Locke problem." Of course, since Kate is a congenital liar and betrayer, who knows what she will do?

2. Hurley--From day 1 he has looked to Jack for leadership. Plus, he saw Locke "abuse" the numbers by opening the hatch. Hurley might believe in an unscientific curse, but he believes in Jack more.

3. Sun--She is Jack's medical assistant and Kate's best friend forever.

4. Shannon--This one's a no-brainer; as far we know, she still thinks Locke killed Boone.

5. Jin (when he returns)--He will probably stay with Sun, although his loyalty to the other raftaways might (see below) draw him toward Locke's group.



Locke's Army of Darkness:

1. Charlie--who has already said he trusts no one more than Locke.

2. Claire--She'll go with Charlie, whom she believes rescued Aaron. Plus, despite her despairing statement that "there's no such thing as fate" during L'Affaire Turniphead, Claire does have a mystical side. She believes in psychics, astrology, and signs (the pens not working). Of all the Lostaways, she can best understand Locke's viewpoint.

3. Michael (when he returns)--His focus will be entirely on rescuing Walt, and Locke is the person who's been closest to Walt and will be the most concerned about him. Michael and Locke will put aside their differences in their shared concern for Walt...or at least in what Michael THINKS is their shared concern....

4. Walt (if he returns)--will be with his father and his mentor.

5. ZombieBoone--Loyalty outlasts life. :rolleyes:

Sawyer and Sayid are the wild cards in this game. I think
they will both end up siding, at least nominally, with Locke. Sawyer will be united with Michael to find Walt. Plus, despite their little moment during Ex1, Jack still rubs Sawyer the wrong way. He's been reluctant to acknowledge Jack as the leader so far; I don't think that will change. As for Sayid, though his ideology aligns with Jack's and he'll no doubt be drawn to Shannon's side :ohwell:, he's already said that he thinks Locke is their best chance for survival. Of all the characters, he'll be the most torn.

The majority of the redshirts will probably stick with Jack--unless he starts having more frightening fits of rage like the one where he accused Locke of murdering Boone.

We don't know enough about Ana-Lucia or Libby to predict their choices, but I'll make a wild guess that if AL and Jack are supposed to be romantically involved, she'll be on his side, and that if Libby is a psychologist she'll also be inclined to science, ie. Jack.

Edited to add link to the original thread for those interested.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=11226

I don't truly see how a decisive and steadfast split could occur on the show and still maintain the chemistry they had going all through season 1.

I personally would like to believe that any split or divide in the group is more philosophical and personal, rather than a Blue vs. Red kind of split. They're not playing "capture the flag" here.

I think that any divide will be over what to do with what they find in the hatch, what they do in regards to the Others, and how they choose to continue life on the island. Stay and dig in for the long haul or prepare for another rescue mission? Obviously they don't realize that the raft is no more, but I would think that some of the red shirts in the background would be devising an alternate strategy to get off the island.

Who knows? Maybe one of the new characters this season will be a plane mechanic and feels he can cobble together a flight-worthy craft using the nigerian plane and parts from the fuselage? (flight of the phoenix, only interesting)

Yeah, I think one of the main ideas behind the show is Science VS Faith and that will probably be the main factor in determining who follows who in a split:

Science minded ppl would follow Jack the scientific, not everything happens for a reason doctor and Faith minded ppl would follow Locke the miraculously healed, everything does happen for a reason, believer.

I would be following Locke by the way. How would you all go?

I've already said that I would go with Sayid who will most likely be the mediator between the two groups. Of the three, Sayid's more likely to listen to all sides before making a decision, plus he has his own knowledge base to draw from. Also, I see the division to be along the lines of caves vs. beach and nothing more dramatic, at least, not this season. As for Locke being a possible leader, it will be like Boone. Anyone who wants to tag along will be welcome but I don't see him overtly recruiting people.

I've already said that I would go with Sayid who will most likely be the mediator between the two groups. Of the three, Sayid's more likely to listen to all sides before making a decision, plus he has his own knowledge base to draw from. Also, I see the division to be along the lines of caves vs. beach and nothing more dramatic, at least, not this season. As for Locke being a possible leader, it will be like Boone. Anyone who wants to tag along will be welcome but I don't see him overtly recruiting people.

agreed

I don't truly see how a decisive and steadfast split could occur on the show and still maintain the chemistry they had going all through season 1.



That could definitely be a problem, but hopefully, if the split is made to be obvious and significant to how the groups lead their lives, the writers will show both sides to each side, rather than set them up as a right choice vs a wrong choice.

As you say, it isn't "Capture the Flag" out there though, so I doubt the sides would hold any significant degree of animosity toward each other, so many of the arguments for who's side to take will likely be moot; Jack's medical skills vs. Locke's hunting (well, whenever he decides to hunt, at least :drowsy: ) because they will still be available to the whole group.

However, with the eventual arrival of the tailenders and what is rumoured to be their less than civilized style of living, it may be that the split revolves around them ... as in who trusts them and decides to relocate/"move in" with them, vs those who don't trust them and their possibly cut-throat style of society.

That could definitely be a problem, but hopefully, if the split is made to be obvious and significant to how the groups lead their lives, the writers will show both sides to each side, rather than set them up as a right choice vs a wrong choice.

As you say, it isn't "Capture the Flag" out there though, so I doubt the sides would hold any significant degree of animosity toward each other, so many of the arguments for who's side to take will likely be moot; Jack's medical skills vs. Locke's hunting (well, whenever he decides to hunt, at least :drowsy: ) because they will still be available to the whole group.


One thing that will keep the group together is the threat of an outside force. The Other will be a common enemy to keep them together for now.

And of course we already do have a split: Michael, Jin, and Sawyer. Who knows how long it will take for them to get back to everybody else. And who knows about Walt?

I also don't think that there will be a "split" at all in the present group... maybe in philosophies, but that is it. I definately agree that the arrival of other survivors may shake things up quite a bit. But for now, there is safety in numbers, the group has to stay together to survive. And besides whatever is in the hatch will "shake up Locke's faith" (or something like that - can't remember the exact quote) and I see that as putting him in a downward spiral where he will not be in any condition to lead anyone anwhere. The group will have to work together more than ever, I think, after they find out what it down there.

As for Locke being a possible leader, it will be like Boone. Anyone who wants to tag along will be welcome but I don't see him overtly recruiting people.

Actually, Locke has recruited, in one way or another, Charlie, Walt, Michael, and Claire, and you could argue that he made a stab at Sayid (when he gave him the knife and then the compass). Boone is almost the only person to whom Locke didn't make overtures.

Locke is trying to recruit EVERYBODY. He says that they are all on the island for a very specific reason, and he wants them to be on his side so he can see what is to become of his "destiny." He knows he needs every single on of them there to do a very specific group of tasks, in order for the island's plan for them to work. He is not picky in who he wants on his side... he wants them all. However, he knows that if ran about uttering the things that are in his mind, he will be perceived as a mad man.

First post here, everybody...

Why does anyone think Michael would go with Locke? At least unless something specific happens in season 2 ? The last I heard was a conversation something like:

Michael: (referring to Locke and Jack) "You two kiss and make up?"

Jack: No.

Michael: Good.

That doesn't sound like someone who wants to join Locke's team. Michael has a significant experience to go through yet before Locke could reach him like he has some of the others.

And I don't see Sayid splitting off with Shannon. Maybe Hurley and Sayid (who didn't want the hatch opened) will form their own group with Shannon and Sawyer and Claire (so Sawyer can read to Aaron:biggrin: )

Cheers!
Emerald

Why does anyone think Michael would go with Locke? At least unless something specific happens in season 2 ? The last I heard was a conversation something like:

Michael: (referring to Locke and Jack) "You two kiss and make up?"

Jack: No.

Michael: Good.

That doesn't sound like someone who wants to join Locke's team. Michael has a significant experience to go through yet before Locke could reach him like he has some of the others.

And I don't see Sayid splitting off with Shannon. Maybe Hurley and Sayid (who didn't want the hatch opened) will form their own group with Shannon and Sawyer and Claire (so Sawyer can read to Aaron:biggrin: )

Cheers!
Emerald

Wait...............what episode is that from I don't remember that conversation.

Michael: (referring to Locke and Jack) "You two kiss and make up?"

Jack: No.

Michael: Good.


JazzyJ the conversation is from Born to Run


And I don't see Sayid splitting off with Shannon.



I think that the possibility exists. He already stood against her once in defense of Locke. Then he basicaly said that while he doesn't trust Locke, he thinks he is their best chance for survival.

Awww OK I remember now, it was a question, the way it was typed threw me off. I read it that Michael was saying this to both Jack and Locke and Jack got all huffy, like no, I don't wanna make up.

I do remember now, but what makes me mad about Jack always being on Locke's case is that Locke saved his life, and Locke saved Michael's son from a bear. Where does Jack get off always doubting the man with the masta plan. I mean Locke is evil until they need his help.

I think Sayid will remain neutral, which would probably be enough to infuriate Shannon and cause a bit of a rift, (oh please, oh please! :biggrin: ) since we can assume she still blames Locke for Boone's death. I see Sayid's mindset as similar to Jack's, more science oriented, but Sayid has had experiences on the island that he cannot make sense of, so...he'll be likely to listen to Locke, although not follow him. Sayid isn't a follower.

I don't think Sayid will be likely to trust the tail-section people...he may remember what Danielle said about watching the people he is with for signs of the "sickness". Especially as they approach the 60 day mark. He may think of that when Shannon sees Walt in the jungle, too, and wonder if she's "sick".

I think Sayid will remain neutral, which would probably be enough to infuriate Shannon and cause a bit of a rift, (oh please, oh please! :biggrin: ) since we can assume she still blames Locke for Boone's death. I see Sayid's mindset as similar to Jack's, more science oriented, but Sayid has had experiences on the island that he cannot make sense of, so...he'll be likely to listen to Locke, although not follow him. Sayid isn't a follower.


Actually I see Sayid as middle of the road on the science vs faith. He lived in a religious society. When Jack was going to burn the plane, Sayid was the one concerned about people's religious beliefs in dealing with caring for the dead. At the same time he is very adept with science and tecnology, thus giving him, I believe, a good faith background, while maintaining a good logical outlook on things.

I believe that Sayid is the most qualified leader of the bunch. He has had some real life experience with this. I too think that he will be more neutral, and be able to bridge the gap.


I don't think Sayid will be likely to trust the tail-section people...he may remember what Danielle said about watching the people he is with for signs of the "sickness". Especially as they approach the 60 day mark. He may think of that when Shannon sees Walt in the jungle, too, and wonder if she's "sick".

Nice job reminding us of the 2 month mark. That is how long Danielle said they lasted. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.