Opening scene Desmond hops off the top of a bunk bed.
Who sleeps or used to sleep on the bottom?
Ethan?

Also, dunno if anyone mentioned (the board is crawling right now but I didn't see it) but I'm pretty sure Desmond entered the magic numbers into his computer after jumping off his bunk bed.

You are right he did jump off the top bunk. That sure would imply there was someone else who lived in that hatch at one time (if not currently!)

It also looked like the numbers were the safe combination. My husband argued with me on that one, he swears he saw it go to 48.

Bunk beds
Yep, saw that.

has any one thought that all the inside coudlve been from the french ship that landed on the island? and that danielle mentioned a disease and he happened to be in the quarantine section and he injected himself.

Opening scene Desmond hops off the top of a bunk bed.
Who sleeps or used to sleep on the bottom?
Ethan?

Also, dunno if anyone mentioned (the board is crawling right now but I didn't see it) but I'm pretty sure Desmond entered the magic numbers into his computer after jumping off his bunk bed.
Ethan was my thought as well. Given what we've seen of the Others, and what we've seen in the hatch (and of Desmond's physical fitness), I'd say Ethan seems much more like a hatch dweller than a whispering pirate.

It also looked like the numbers were the safe combination. My husband argued with me on that one, he swears he saw it go to 48.

I thought it was 42. The last number that opens the safe. And if he is secure in the hatch, why does he need to keep things in a safe? Or locked up at all? Could this be a clue about weapons being locked, or Locke-d?

OnAonXM, it looked to me like he was typing letters, not numbers, but I would have to go back and re-watch to make sure.

I agree on the Ethan thing. More of a hatch person than others pirate. lol Plus, Ethan was pretty damn strong. All of that work out equipment....yep. Eh, nevermind....still part of the Others.

Ethan....yeah. I agree. Maybe Claire will remember more and remember being in the hatch?

I agree on the Ethan thing. More of a hatch person than others pirate. lol Plus, Ethan was pretty damn strong. All of that work out equipment....yep. Eh, nevermind....still part of the Others.
rotf! I liked how you trailed off there. :)
The strength thing is what has me thinking Ethan too, although the twins on the boat seems pretty darn strong too weren't they... hmmm

OnAonXM, it looked to me like he was typing letters, not numbers, but I would have to go back and re-watch to make sure.
Definitly all numbers with spaces inbetween. and the spaces were in the right spots. Watch again and sing along so to speak while he's typing.

I love that theory!
I'm wondering how they had running water and food and everything he needed down there! He had to have been there for years.

Yeah, I did trail off....lmao I'ma dork!

Definitly all numbers with spaces inbetween. and the spaces were in the right spots. Watch again and sing along so to speak while he's typing.

Will do! I'm too tired to be answering posts tonight with any kind of coherence, lol. You've made me curious about this now.

Ethan was my thought as well. Given what we've seen of the Others, and what we've seen in the hatch (and of Desmond's physical fitness), I'd say Ethan seems much more like a hatch dweller than a whispering pirate.

If Ethan was once in the hatch... then why didn't Danielle know about the hatch? Or was she lying?

Obviously Danielle has some connection to Ethan since he kidnapped Claire and took her to... well, presumably, Danielle...

What connection would Danielle have to the hatch?!?!?!? So many possibilities!

I love that theory!
I'm wondering how they had running water and food and everything he needed down there! He had to have been there for years.
yeah what i was thinking was that who ever built that was pretty technically advanced. and where is all that electricity coming from..off topic... bad me

ok so i dont think it was ethan that slept on the bottom bunk... if ehtan could get out why didnt uh... desmond leave also? maby we just havnt seen another person yet:confused:

I think Danielle doesn't have a connection with Ethan...yeah Claire did have that flashback but there's the possibility that she wanted to save the baby...or maybe take it for her own interest...not Ethan's

Obviously Danielle has some connection to Ethan since he kidnapped Claire and took her to... well, presumably, Danielle...



I kinda assumed Danielle saved Claire from Ethan. WHY I assumed that I dunno. I wonder what she was up to tonight.

If Ethan was once in the hatch... then why didn't Danielle know about the hatch? Or was she lying?

Obviously Danielle has some connection to Ethan since he kidnapped Claire and took her to... well, presumably, Danielle...

What connection would Danielle have to the hatch?!?!?!? So many possibilities!
The conclusion I've always drawn is that Danielle saved Claire. Danielle only emerged from the jungle when she heard the whispers. Further, Danielle fights based on things she has found in the jungle and her guns. Ethan was... superhuman in strength, something that I consider highly unlikely if he lived the way Danielle lived (she'd obviously been in that hovel awhile).

Danielle came to the camp because she heard the Others whispering about the boy, and she wanted to make the trade. She had little interest in the hatch, but was willing to help the survivors get dynamite and blow it open. If she knew about the hatch, it's unlikely she'd have participated in that action (considering how fiercely Desmond defended it). Danielle's sole motivation in coming to the camp was to make sure she could make a trade she thought the Others wanted.

It is entirely possible that Danielle had run into Ethan before in the 16 years... if she (and he) had been there for 16 years, and may have been cooperating. It is also entirely possible that Danielle bested Ethan using her survival skills and freed Claire. I just happen to believe, given what we know of both, the latter is far more likely.

I have a few problems with Ethan being bunk buddies with Hatch man. Firstly, the "QUARANTINE" sign, which appeared to be on the face down side of the hatch, assuming that to mean the outside is quarantined. If Desmond isn't coming out of there then why let Ethan? Secondly, the hatch looked to be well hidden naturally. But I guess thats just assumption. Does anyone recall the timeline between Ethan and the discovery of the hatch and all that? If Locke and Boone discovered it while he was gone, he probably would have known better than to return. Lastly, if Desmond was one of the others, (and assuming Ethan is), why is he stuck in there and not with the other seabillies?

But then again where is he getting fresh food? I didn't see a farm down there or anything!

I love that theory!
I'm wondering how they had running water and food and everything he needed down there! He had to have been there for years.

I want to know how Desmond got the new Kenmore Elite washing machines, fresh fruit, Le Crueset pots and the new Kitchen Aid blender...I can't imagine what his delivery charges were like.

:)

Ya I was thinking those washers and dryers looked pretty modern...

and also maybe.... there's another entrance/exit from the hatch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in the water perhaps??

I have a few problems with Ethan being bunk buddies with Hatch man. Firstly, the "QUARANTINE" sign, which appeared to be on the face down side of the hatch, assuming that to mean the outside is quarantined. If Desmond isn't coming out of there then why let Ethan? Secondly, the hatch looked to be well hidden naturally. But I guess thats just assumption. Does anyone recall the timeline between Ethan and the discovery of the hatch and all that? If Locke and Boone discovered it while he was gone, he probably would have known better than to return. Lastly, if Desmond was one of the others, (and assuming Ethan is), why is he stuck in there and not with the other seabillies?

But then again where is he getting fresh food? I didn't see a farm down there or anything!
OK, let's go through it one at a time:

1.) The quarantine sign faces outward, yes... meaning those inside should avoid going outside. If, however, Ethan and Desmond were bunk buddies, Ethan could just have been the one who was sent up to see if there were any ill effects on the crash survivors.

2.) What we see of the hatch was excavated. It wasn't really well hidden... it had a half-inch of mud on it and some vines. The mud could have been run-off from the rains, which Arzt noted were fairly frequent, and have accumulated in the week or so we know Ethan was with the camp. Which brings me to...

3.) The first time we see Ethan is in Solitary, having been hunting with Locke for some time. Locke notes in All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues that he'd been hunting with Ethan for awhile (at that stage in the show, awhile would have been about 4 to 7 days).

4.) The hatch was discovered at the end of All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues entirely by accident. Locke had already walked over and past it (while on a dummy trail from Ethan...), and Boone was above it, to the left and dropped the flashlight. The hatch was discovered AFTER Ethan took Charlie and Claire.

5.) Does all this mean that Ethan is not an Other? No... at this point, considering Ethan more likely a hatcher than a pirate is based purely on my consideration of Ethan's cleanliness, fitness, strength, and whatnot.... Ethan and Desmond both seem to be the very opposite of what we saw of the pirates.

6.) At some point during the week Claire is missing, she is freed. Perhaps, Ethan made his way to the hatch, discovered Locke and Boone there, and was forced to pick another plan. During this, Danielle happened upon them and somehow freed Claire. This forced Ethan back to the camp, and he never returned to the hatch.

7.) Finally, this all assumes that there is just one hatch.... who else knows what's on the island. Ethan and Desmond could be mortal enemies... or Danielle friends with Ethan... as with every episode, we develop theories that most fit what we've got and adjust or dismiss them as we learn more. That's part of the fun. :)

Ya I was thinking those washers and dryers looked pretty modern...

and also maybe.... there's another entrance/exit from the hatch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in the water perhaps??


Perhaps behind the concrete wall being built...

I want to know how Desmond got the new Kenmore Elite washing machines, fresh fruit, Le Crueset pots and the new Kitchen Aid blender...I can't imagine what his delivery charges were like.

:)

The fruit looked like canned cherries and peaches to me.
Do you think Desmond would've only been in there for a short while (sometime after he met Jack), or would he have been going in and out??

Ugh, I missed so many details. I'm embarrassed to say but it was so past my bed time. I was sleepy and watching with my eyes half open. You guys caught so many details. Great job! Now I'm going to have to go back and watch it tonight. I hope I catch all of it.

Did you all notice the graffitt and scrawlings on the wall...

It looked like childish scribblings....

Alex..perhaps?

I don't think that Desmond is alone down there. Here is why:

When he got up it was probably about 2am or so. Why would he be getting up at this ungodly hour? He would try to keep his body on a normal schedule, even if he was living underground. Maybe he was getting up to "go to work", to relieve someone else?

I'm sure there is more to what is under there then we were privy to last night. Maybe there is someone else there and they work shifts? Doing what? Who knows. But this could be the person who slept on the bottom bunk. There has to be someone else living there, or at least at one time, someone else. Why else would he have a backgammon game? Not exactly a game you can play by yourself.

Hmm...IF it was Ethan down there with him a scenario might be...
I have a little theory but this is assuming a lot..

It assumes the hatchaways know about the crash but not the details of the survivors..

Ethan goes topside alone to check out the castaways to see if there are any kids...IF there are they agree that he would watch for an opportune time to snatch one. He sees Claire and decides to wait for actual labor. He snatches her but somehow its foiled...by Claire escaping or Danielle's help or maybe even Vincent..we don't know yet.

If they have limited means of communication Desmond might not know Aaron has been born and Ethan is dead. He might still be for Ethan to return...with a child.

That's also assuming these are a different group from the seabillies.

Did you all notice the graffitt and scrawlings on the wall...

It looked like childish scribblings....

Alex..perhaps?


Did anyone note the number in the graffiti? 108!:cool:

4+8+15+16+23+42=108

I saw that!

Maybe that's the way they taught her to count...:biggrin:

If she was ever there that is....

He had a BACKGAMMON game? Oh how weird, I didn't notice that! Weird in the sense that my boy, Locke, is a backgammon afficionado. Could someone on the outside who was really an "other"--as we have seen that each of the Lostaways has been unwittingly interacting with others somehow pre-flight 815, like Jack with the tour de stad guy, Claire with her "psychic" (who I think had "other" written all over him) etc.--have been in Locke's life and taught him backgammon? Just a thought, sort of an aside to this whole conversation.

About the word "Quarantine" appearing on the inside of the hatch door, that could mean several things. It could mean, as has been stated, that the OUTSIDE is the quarantine area. Or, it could mean that the hatch door itself is the edge of the quarantined INSIDE area, as in "don't open this/don't venture beyond this point", as in, the inside of the hatch is the contaminated area and don't open the hatch to let it out. However, I favor what y'all have said, that the outside is quarantined, because:

1. Why would the others choose to live sealed off underground unless there was something dangerous/deadly ABOVE ground?

2. Why would Danielle tell Sayid that "it got them all", meaning (apparently) that some sickness overtook everyone else in her group, unless said sickness was something ABOVE ground, which is where Danielle's group was?

I personally think that everyone down there is already infected somehow, and that is what the self-injection we saw last night was all about, plus I think that is why these people need to get children/babies, as somehow there is something they take from their blood or SOMETHING (stem cells, something) that they use to make the antidote to this thing.

I dunno, but I surely am obsessed and don't see how I'll ever get any work done at work again, as my only on-line access is from same and I feel that I shall from now on be here, at the 'lage, with y'all, discussing all things great and small! Wuu HUUUUUUU, Season Two!

P.S. AND, if the sickness is OUTSIDE the hatch, it could be that, years ago, the inside was contamination-free and thus the "QUARANTINE" sign would have meant something, but that long ago the quarantine was breached and the sickness got inside, too, which is why the others need to inject themselves now with something to keep them alive. It could be that the "QUARANTINE" sign is meaningless now, even though, at one time, it wasn't.

P.P.S. Shoot! Had another post here but the server is so dang busy today (that's a good thing, means more people are getting turned on to LOST by the episode!), that my post didn't take, as the server hung up just at that moment. What a loss for posterity! Oh well, I was just gonna say:

P.P.S. BUT (lol, I'm so obsessed), if the sickness is indeed everywhere (inside, outside), why would the others choose to live underground, in such a dark, Vitamin-D-free environment? Perhaps they are infected, but it is still somehow safer for them down there and they can only handle brief periods "up top"? I WANT TO KNOW! How many hours until next Wednesday at 9:00 p.m.?

What if Ethan wasn’t part of the others, but was with Desmond in the hatch, Desmond woke up on bunk beds so my guess is he wasn’t alone, plus he was in nicer clothes than the “others” and Desmond has newer things as well as older things.

I'd like to point out a few things:
- we don't know what Desmond's daily routine is (other than his morning shower, workout, and protein shake). Maybe he wanders all over the island via various exits from the hatch, which is starting to look to me like a secret underground military installation. I mean, this thing could go on for miles!

- the "Quarantine" sign may be old. Perhaps the quarantine time period is over and the infectious agent outside is no longer active? I don't think they would have crossed out the word once the time period was over...

the fact that desmond says "there is a world still out there" (something like that) tells me he hasnt ventured anywhere outside of his hidey hole

also, the bunk beds first suggested to me that someone else was with des as there were books and such....however, maybe that was from before des's time there?