omg. still in shock after tonite's LOST episode... first of all, the first 4 minutes of the show were f****** pure genius. i think all whatever-million viewers collectively stared at the screen with a 'what the heck?' look on their faces. wow. hats off to how the writers revealed what was in the hatch.

well well, once again Locke of sketchville volunteers someone else to be the guinea pig. 'here Kate, you go down the hatch first. no problem.' he just uses people as pawns. its unbelievable. hatch hatch hatch hatch- and then when it comes down to it he 'lacks the stones' (as Sawyer would say). sorry, Jack-detractors.

i was disappoined with the way Jack kind of abandoned everyone to go to the hatch though. i think the more he thought about Kate being alone with Locke the more the memories of Boone came flooding back to him. and as we all know, he wants to save EVERYONE. it was a bad call. UNLESS, he put two and two together with Locke and Jack knows something we don't. it was bizarre how Locke was like, "i wouldn't do that." when Jack was at the computer screen. perhaps Locke is teamed with the other guy and they are trying to ploy Jack out of his gun. i do think huge things are going down next week. that was the scantest preview trailer i've ever seen LOST put out! so i wouldn't be surprised at an evil Locke revelation. Jack better not throw down his gun, though i fear his Bruce Wayne-complex will make him.

did anyone catch exactly what was painted on the wall of the tunnel? groovy...

the jogger guy! the idea that perhaps there never was a plane crash per-say is becoming more and more plausible. they could have easily been sedated and placed near wreckage. the power of suggestion is strong. anyway, it's obvious that they are there 'for a reason'.

and, thoughts on Invasion... its obviously trying to appeal to the LOST audience. i watched it and was pretty disappointed. first off, the acting can't hold a candle to the acting on LOST. second of all, the premise is already so predictable and the characters have already been so blatantly sketched for what they are. this show has already fallen in so many pitfalls that LOST avoided cos it rules. it's amazing abc put Invasion out as is. they should make me a tv executive.

oh yah. Jack owns!

it was bizarre how Locke was like, "i wouldn't do that." when Jack was at the computer screen. perhaps Locke is teamed with the other guy and they are trying to ploy Jack out of his gun.

I think that maybe Locke tried to do the same thing and Desmond caught him, so Locke was just warning Jack. Since Jack had a gun, I think Desmond would be a lot more likely to shoot at Jack.

'here Kate, you go down the hatch first. no problem.' he just uses people as pawns. its unbelievable. hatch hatch hatch hatch- and then when it comes down to it he 'lacks the stones' (as Sawyer would say). sorry, Jack-detractors.

I don't see it that way. He put it plainly. Kate is smaller. I highly doubt that she could of held Locke while he climbed down. Locke probably would of gone first if someone strong enough to hold the rope would have come, but only a few knew about it, and those that did wouldn't go near it.

well well, once again Locke of sketchville volunteers someone else to be the guinea pig. 'here Kate, you go down the hatch first. no problem.' he just uses people as pawns. its unbelievable. hatch hatch hatch hatch- and then when it comes down to it he 'lacks the stones' (as Sawyer would say). sorry, Jack-detractors.


I dont think locke used her as a pawn at all....i mean he had a point....its not like she could of supported his weight with the rope. And once she seemed to be in trouble, he didnt waste any time to go after her.

As much as I would like to think Locke did that, he probably didn't use her as a pawn. I don't think anyone else really wanted to open the hatch that was bigger than he.

Jack is my hero! You know what, I think I might be in love with him. lol He's always been my hero, though.

I dont think locke used her as a pawn at all....i mean he had a point....its not like she could of supported his weight with the rope. And once she seemed to be in trouble, he didnt waste any time to go after her.


The thing is, I think Locke over-estimates himself, and underestimates everyone else. He knew Kate would follow him, so I personally think he had in mind for her to go down the whole time (remember their little talk in the jungle on the way back) ...

I don't know if anyone here ever saw Pet Cemetery, but in it, these kids bury a cat that comes back to life all psycho ... then a kid gets buried there, and it comes back all freaky, so this guy goes and buries his wife there to bring her back to life and she comes back all zombie-esque and the whole time you're yelling at the screen "what are you DOING?! Did you not just see what it did to the cat and the kid? Stay away from the Cemetery!" ... well, I'm beginning to feel that way about Locke, lol ... it seems like every time someone goes out in the jungle with him alone, they end up falling down/off something, lol! Locke's character may be interesting, but you sure as heck won't catch me going on a midnight stroll alone with him. :wink3:

Did Locke really know Kate would follow him or was he just continuing his "knows all, sees all" game he likes to play?

If he didn't really know then he planned on going down himself. Once Kate showed up he took advantage and used the logical reason of her lighter weight to bale on the dangerous part. I mean. How did he plan on going down if she hadn't come along?

It reminded me of Raiders of the Lost Ark when they look into the Well of Souls and Salla says "Asps. Very dangerous. you go first." :lol:

I don't think he used her as a pawn. Like everyone else said it was logical. He wasn't expecting anyone to follow him. We (the viewers) know why she would do such a thing. She's a little risk taker there. Remember she volunteered to take dynamite in her pack.

I'm just glad Locke just told Jack "I'm going to the hatch." Because really..what's the sense in trecking all over the jungle to Black Rock, getting dynamite, getting Arzt (sp?) blown up, and blowing up a hatch to not go in it?!!

I just let out a big wow! when I found out someone was living in the hatch. Wow. Just wow! I'm so glad I haven't been reading any spoilers!

Oh yeah. It so would have ruined it. I never expected someone to be living down there. And living so comfortably, too. But with Locke, the whole hatch thing is part of his destiny, as he says, so thats why he was so eager to go inside. Plus, I know I would be itching to know what was in there. Plus, he's a very practical guy, I think, in some respects. Of course Kate is lighter. And, dont forget that she chose to go back with him. He didnt con her into anything. But I am wondering where she is now, seeing as we didnt see her in the hatch later on.

No, I don't think he exactly used her; however, I don't think he was all that concerned if she would be okay. She even said "you left out the part about the thing down there eating me" and he agreed with her. The thing is, he has been very single minded and obsessed about opening the hatch. It's his "destiny" (wonder what happened to the aborigine walkabout destiny...). So, he is going to do everything he needs to do to get it done and damn the consequences.

[quote=Earendil;498389]I think that maybe Locke tried to do the same thing and Desmond caught him, so Locke was just warning Jack. Since Jack had a gun, I think Desmond would be a lot more likely to shoot at Jack. [qoute]

I think Locke said that to Jack because Desmond pointed a gun at his head and told him to.

I think they spotted Jack in the hatch, Desmond turned on the music to drown out Kate screaming Jack's name, (on the captions someone yells 'Jack' three times muffled under the loud music. After Kate was restrained, he turned the gun on Locke and told him to tell Jack not to touch anything.

I think Locke was acting as a prisoner. Unless, of course, in the time it took for Jack to go back to the hatch, Locke sided with Desmond and it was a trick to get Jack to drop the gun!

I don't think he used her as a pawn. Like everyone else said it was logical. He wasn't expecting anyone to follow him. We (the viewers) know why she would do such a thing. She's a little risk taker there. Remember she volunteered to take dynamite in her pack.

I'm just glad Locke just told Jack "I'm going to the hatch." Because really..what's the sense in trecking all over the jungle to Black Rock, getting dynamite, getting Arzt (sp?) blown up, and blowing up a hatch to not go in it?!!

I just let out a big wow! when I found out someone was living in the hatch. Wow. Just wow! I'm so glad I haven't been reading any spoilers!


I dunno...could Locke really have gone down into the hatch himself w/no ladder? How would he get himself out? Jack had to drop quite a bit & hit the bottom hard after he slid. And to climb up a rope that cut his hands w/o having the forethought to wrap them as Jack did is a might unrealistic.

Kate didn't *exactly* volunteer to go down. Locke sort of put the lasso on her before she could object and even when she did, he kept lowering her. I think he knew he'd need someone to help him & worked off Kate's curiosity & willingness to help. Locke played quite submissive to Jack's more staunch demeanor in MOFMOS (beginning) in comparison to Exodus & opposing Jack's suggestions. Perhaps he fed off the tension between Jack/Kate....Then Locke gets her alone & is able to tell her about how the island is special. At that pnt with the way things went down back there, she begins to wonder maybe Locke is rt.

I don't think Locke is evil, but I do think he puts the hatch ahead of everyone because he is so excited about it. He didn't seem to bat an eyelash when Hurley called him on lighting the fuse. He sorts of acts off his curiosity w/o thinking about the consequences it might have on someone else til after. Him continuing to lower Kate I think illustrates that. And this isn't to say he is uncaring. I don't begrudge he went after her as soon as he saw she was in danger. I just think he waited for Kate knowing she would come. He's a strategist & got Jack of all ppl to want to open the hatch using Sayid to get him there.

Locke could've asked one of the many men on the island to "belay" him down. Seems like maybe he didn't ask for help and waited for Kate because he wanted to send someone else down there first. Even after Kate arrived, Locke could've gone back to get help rather than risk Kate like that. Eeerily similar to how he was so quick to urge Boone into the plane instead of go back for help.

This is all a game of strategy to Locke. He uses who ever he can to accomplish his mission. Only he is crazy enough to know what his mission is. It's just like that game he was playing at his box company where his co-worker called him "Colonel".

Now that he's got his legs back, he's just living a big game.

Did you all hear Kate letting the fear in for the count of 5 like Jack taught her he did in the Pilot episode?

This is all a game of strategy to Locke. He uses who ever he can to accomplish his mission. Only he is crazy enough to know what his mission is. It's just like that game he was playing at his box company where his co-worker called him "Colonel".

That's exactly what I thought of! Remember the little "men" getting knocked over on the board?
Collateral damage...

just a little tid bit(kinda sort-of off subject-- so sorry)
it IS about locke though....
waaaaay back last season when they spoke of the mouse trap game locke was describing it to the kid and said something about "a shoe,a cage",and something else(cheese??? well we had eggs...lol)....i thought of this when they showed the shoes kate took off the dead guy at the crash scene--they were sitting beside the wall down in the hatch.......is the hatch all a trap like the game mouse trap? the design on the wall was even similar to the cage used in the game...(except it was all fancy and had glass like windows)--which kinda makes it more of a "trap"....
does this make sense and what do you all everybody think of this?