When they wheeled the driver of the SUV in that crashed into Sarah (later Jack's wife), the EMT said "Adam Rutherford, 57. Chest trauma." and then he died when Jack went to operate on Sarah instead. Jack then repeated "Mr. Rutherford" so they definitely made it a point to mention his name again.

Could this be Shannon's father? Or some other relation to Shannon?

I'm thinking that it's Shannon's dad. Did we ever hear of how/or if he died before? I can't remember off the top of my head.

Didn't he die and then left all his money to Boone's mother?

Yeah, he did. I didn't even catch the Rutherford!!! I need to watch it again. lol I love these connections.

connections = amazing :biggrin:

nice catch guys. I literally went and re-watched that scene.

just to be clear. I think it was Sarah that hit him.

Yeah, it was her.

Wouldn't it be funny if Sarah was on her way to meet w/ Boone's mom to "check out tablecloths"?

ETA: I wonder if this Adam has any ties to our skeleton-Adam in the caves?

OMG!!!!! That could be!!! Woah....that would have been crazy.

Yeah, I caught that. Jack's future/former wife hits Shannon's dad who dies, which leads to Shannon losing her money and maipulating her brother, which ruins Boone's life. Butterfly Effect! Or not.

Imagine if that was the case? Poor Boone. :(

It could be that this is Shannon's husband. Remember in "Hearts & Minds", Boone tells the policeman that Shannon had been married but wasn't anymore. Later, he tells Sayid that Shannon "goes for" older men and uses them to get whatever it is that she wants and then dumps them. At any rate, here's another connection between two people on the island.

Don't think that's the case, that was a flashback that happened awhile ago, which means that Shannon and Boone were much much younger, too young to be married.

connections = amazing :biggrin:

nice catch guys. I literally went and re-watched that scene.

So Mole it is Adam Rutherford? I wasn't sure if it was his last name or they were referring to someone else in the room.

Cool connection if it is. It could be the funeral that Boone's Mom and Shannon's dad meet at????

Cool connection if it is. It could be the funeral that Boone's Mom and Shannon's dad meet at????
Well, let's see. Shannon and Boone were 8 and 10 when their parents got married. Boone was 22 and Shannon is 20. So that was 12 years ago when they got married. It's possible, given the man's age of 57, that it was Shannon's grandfather then.

Don't think that's the case, that was a flashback that happened awhile ago, which means that Shannon and Boone were much much younger, too young to be married.


I thought Shannon was older than that .... I thought she was 22 or 23 for some reason

Shannon said she Lost the damn dog!

Kevin, Sarah's fiance said she was going to a dress fitting and to look at table cloths. I wonder if it was to one of Boones moms' store.

Don't forget that Adam Rutherford died at 8:15 am. Ref the numbers.

All the names mean something.


(http://www1.elsevier.com/cdweb/journals/13574310/viewer.htt?iss=1&vol=7&viewtype=issue)Molecular Medicine Today (http://www1.elsevier.com/cdweb/journals/13574310/viewer.htt?iss=1&vol=7&viewtype=issue)


Adam Rutherford, Jonathan Weitzman

Eyeing-up stem cell transplantation
MRC funding for DNA collections
Scaffolding in pigs offers cardiovascular gene therapy
Idiopathic Down's syndrome cluster in Ireland
Cannibalism reveals vCJD-susceptibility
Lasers aimed at mad cows
Two worms equal a human (by proteome)
Split-personality RANTES mutation
Gene therapy for the head and neck
Kissing and Karposi's sarcoma
Pufferfish genome sequencing
Black Death

Shannon is 20... she said so in the episode where Hurley is trying to figure out who everybody is... (episode 11 I think)

Wouldn't it be funny if Sarah was on her way to meet w/ Boone's mom to "check out tablecloths"?

ETA: I wonder if this Adam has any ties to our skeleton-Adam in the caves?

I like this theory. Adam Rutherford was Shannon's dad, Sarah was going to meet Boone's mom to check out wedding things.Sarah gets into the accident by hitting Adam's car.

That is kinda messed up that Sarah's fiance was worried more about wanting to have sex w/ her then making sure she was going to be ok

What a wicked web we weave..............

I think everyone is more closely connected that we think. Didn't even catch the Rutherford link. I agree Sarah could have been on her way to a Bridal Shop owned by Boone's mother. Maybe Adam and Sarah would going to the same shop. Her to try on dresses. Him to visit his wife? When you think of the domino effect that's set off by wondering if ultimately Jack's decision to work on Sarah led to Boone's demise.

I have to agree the fiance was a putz. She's better off without him. I wanted to reach out and slap the T.V screen.

Since Sara's car "jumped the guard rail" and hit Adam Rutherford's car, they were most likely going in opposite directions. I don't think they were both going to see Boone's mother, but perhaps Sara was going to and Adam Rutherford was coming from.

Yeah, it was her.

Interesting that it was her that hit the guy but in Do No Harm she says she was hit head on by the SUV. Guess it was the other way around.

I am so sure that it is Shannon's husband. When did this flashback take place?

Did you see Jack?? I looked like it was the beginning of the 90ies... She would have been 10 tops..
(I may be wrong, but I'll stick to thinking it was her father until the opposite is proved...)

Do you have any particular reason for thinking it was her husband??
I mean... Boone said Rutherford was her father's name...

Interesting that it was her that hit the guy but in Do No Harm she says she was hit head on by the SUV. Guess it was the other way around.

In DNH, she was giving a toast to Jack. It would be a really crummy toast, to say *I met Jack right after I killed a guy ...* also, it is a very basic coping mechanism for our minds to *alter* events to make ourselves less culpable. So we do not become overpowered by guilt.

Did you see Jack?? I looked like it was the beginning of the 90ies... She would have been 10 tops..
(I may be wrong, but I'll stick to thinking it was her father until the opposite is proved...)

Do you have any particular reason for thinking it was her husband??
I mean... Boone said Rutherford was her father's name...

Since the flashbacks where a timeframe has been mentioned, have been one of "the" numbers ... this one would have to be either 4 or 8 years ago. Jack is too young to have been a spinal surgeon 15 years ago.

So ... I'd say 8 is more likely due to the obvious effort to make Jack look noticably younger. (Poor Matt in that awful wig)

wow...this is awesome! i'm glad we finally know the connection between jack and shannon/boone.

do you think if jack would of opperated on Adam instead of Sarah..he would of lived?

oh and..


i'm sure on shannon's flashback this season..it will touch on her father's death...so we will know what really happened.

I didn't catch the name of the other driver. Yeah, I'd place a good bet that it was Shannon's father.

If we presume Jack is in early 40, and Oceanic flight 815 drops off radar in 2005, and knowing most doctors finish their studies as 25-28 year old... that gives u a 15 years timespan.

He looked like he had recently finished medical school and was working as an intern surgeon in ER. That gives us a timeframe of 1990-1993. Hairdo and styles in a hospital changes, but little else compared to life outside hospital. So paying attention to his wig...cause i guess we all can agree on that being a wig, could give us a hint about where we are in time.

Boone also might have given us a hint/clue. Teresa fell down the stairs when Shannon and Boone where 6 years old. Something tells me Shannon's father died shortly before or right after this incident.

And if Maggie Grace (21 years old) and Shannon are the same age as in show, then subtract 6 years, wham! 15 years ago. 1990.

It could all also be a year before, like 1989. There... u then have both 15 and 16 from the now famous 4-8-15-16-23-42


Notice use of word "SUV."

SUV as a term in the car making industry didnt really appear until beginning of 1997.

We know Shannon is 20-years-old. Not sure when the scene occurred. At the latest it would be 1998, as Jack saved Sarah 6-years prior to them being married, but we don't know how long the marriage lasted or anything. Assuming 1998, though, that would make Shannon 14 at the time, with a 57-year-old dad, meaning he was 43 when she was born. That seems like grandfather age to me.

If the scene occurred in 1990, as John_Locke calculates, Adam would have been 51 when Shannon was born, which is definitely grandfather age.

After trying to amend my statement that I thought that Adam Rutherford was Shannnon's husband and not being able to do so because of the server, I will try to do that here.
After I got some sleep, I realized that with Shannon being only 20 years old now, Adam couldn't possibly be her husband in this flashback. So, like most everyone else thinks, Adam's probably her father.

We know Shannon is 20-years-old. Not sure when the scene occurred. At the latest it would be 1998, as Jack saved Sarah 6-years prior to them being married, but we don't know how long the marriage lasted or anything. Assuming 1998, though, that would make Shannon 14 at the time, with a 57-year-old dad, meaning he was 43 when she was born. That seems like grandfather age to me.

If the scene occurred in 1990, as John_Locke calculates, Adam would have been 51 when Shannon was born, which is definitely grandfather age.
43, let alone 51 is no where near to old for a man to have a child. Unlike women, they can pretty much have then at any age, just as long as the little guys are still swimming! As a matter of fact. I would have to say that 43 for a grandfather is really, really young, and very unrealistic, even 51 is pushing it.

It could still be her father. My dad was 42 (oddly enough) when I was born.

We know Shannon is 20-years-old. Not sure when the scene occurred. At the latest it would be 1998, as Jack saved Sarah 6-years prior to them being married, but we don't know how long the marriage lasted or anything. Assuming 1998, though, that would make Shannon 14 at the time, with a 57-year-old dad, meaning he was 43 when she was born. That seems like grandfather age to me.

If the scene occurred in 1990, as John_Locke calculates, Adam would have been 51 when Shannon was born, which is definitely grandfather age.

Um, my dad was 40 when my little sister was born. Not quite grandfather age! And I don't think that this is necessarily that unusual either. Just fyi. :)

Yeah, I don't think it is either. I've been trying to figure out the time differences, too.

My father and mother were both 40 yrs. of age when my youngest brother was born.
They were both 44 when their first grandchild was born.

I Think it was Shannon's father.
What if Sarah's ex fiancé meet Shannon married her and then split soon after.

It HAS to be her father.
Hmmm....that's a possibility!

With all these connections popping up, I wonder if the lost-aways will ever find out about the connections or are the connections just for the viewing audience.

If it is her father and she finds out that Jack let him lay there and die while he attended to the pretty blond who would go on to become his wife....Aw! That should be a good scene.

I'm not good at timeline stuff, but I've come across stuff that may help someone else figure it out.

Sawyer is born (Christian said he had a son around his age). . . . 1968 36Y BPC
Boone born . . . . ?/10/1981 22Y BPC
Shannon born . . . . 1984 20Y BPC
Theresa, Boone's nanny, breaks neck on stairs . . . . 1988 16Y BPC
Boone's mother and Shannon's father marry each other . . . .1992 12Y BPC
Walt is born . . . . 8/24/1994 10Y BPC
So, if Jack was born around 1968, when the plane crashed in 2004, he would be around 36 years old.

Jack saved Sarah 6-years prior to them being married,
John Locke If we presume Jack is in early 40, and Oceanic flight 815 drops off radar in 2005, and knowing most doctors finish their studies as 25-28 year old... that gives u a 15 years timespan.

He looked like he had recently finished medical school and was working as an intern surgeon in ER. That gives us a timeframe of 1990-1993. Hairdo and styles in a hospital changes, but little else compared to life outside hospital. So paying attention to his wig...cause i guess we all can agree on that being a wig, could give us a hint about where we are in time.

Boone also might have given us a hint/clue. Teresa fell down the stairs when Shannon and Boone where 6 years old. Something tells me Shannon's father died shortly before or right after this incident.

And if Maggie Grace (21 years old) and Shannon are the same age as in show, then subtract 6 years, wham! 15 years ago. 1990.
sheba Since the flashbacks where a timeframe has been mentioned, have been one of "the" numbers ... this one would have to be either 4 or 8 years ago. Jack is too young to have been a spinal surgeon 15 years ago.

Time of death - 8:15 am....oooohhhh, freaky ;)

So much for the fancy-shmancy new server. :(

Sarah's accident was two years before the wedding, not six.

From DNH:

Sarah: Thank you. Wow, can I get another microphone? I think this one's been drinking. A little over two years ago, I blew a tire out - flipped over the center divider into oncoming traffic, and was hit head-on by an SUV. My back was broken. They all said it was irreparable. And then there was Jack. And he promised he would fix me, because that's the kind of guy he is. Because you are the most committed man I have ever known - because you fixed me, I will dance at our wedding. To Jack, my hero, Jack.

We don't know how long before the plane crash the wedding was, do we? I would have guessed four years, meaning that the accident took place six years ago, when Shannon was 14 and too young to be married except in Arkansas (or insert the correct state with child marriage). However, all we know for sure is that it was at least three years ago (since even if Jack's marriage lasted almost no time, he was certainly single during the ATBC flashbacks). But in any case, Adam wasn't Shannon's husband because a) Boone said that Rutherford was her father's name, and b) if her husband had died she probably would have gotten some money out of it.

I concede that Adam could be Shannon's father, especially considering Boone's mom was a gold-digger and would probably hook up with a man any age to get to his money. I wonder how old Boone's mom is. I wonder if they used to live on Boone's Farm. :D

My guess all along was that the accident happened in 1989. Jack, if in his early 40s now, would be interning at that point. Also, the sweet style that Sarah's fiance was sporting (striped casual blazer, black t-shirt, morning after scruff) was highly popular at that time. I remember it well - I graduated college in 1990.

That would put these occurrences 16 years ago, presumably right before Pauly Shore (ie Desmond) left to live in the Biodome and started broadcasting the numbers to let people know where he was.

Sorry if this post is wacky, but the connections sometimes don't make much sense in my head, though I know they're there somewhere!

With all these connections popping up, I wonder if the lost-aways will ever find out about the connections or are the connections just for the viewing audience.

Good question. It's amazing the number of connections there are...

That would put these occurrences 16 years ago, presumably right before Pauly Shore (ie Desmond) left to live in the Biodome and started broadcasting the numbers to let people know where he was.!

Good theory however, Hurley's friend from the mental institution heard the numbers when he was in the navy fighting in some war if I'm not mistaken, which I think was way more then 16 years ago, plus Danielle changed the messge 16 years ago so Desmond couldn't have started transmitting the message at the same time that it was changed by Danielle.

My guess all along was that the accident happened in 1989. Jack, if in his early 40s now, would be interning at that point. Also, the sweet style that Sarah's fiance was sporting (striped casual blazer, black t-shirt, morning after scruff) was highly popular at that time. I remember it well - I graduated college in 1990.
I don't think they would have an intern doing major spinal surgery. :ohwell:

Also, we think Jack is closer to 36 because of Christian's statement about having a son around Sawyer's age.

I don't think they would have an intern doing major spinal surgery. :ohwell:

Also, we think Jack is closer to 36 because of Christian's statement about having a son around Sawyer's age.

Agreed. No way it could be 16 years ago. It is either 8 or or a *non number* number of years ago.

With this show and the small world Lost always seems to be, there is no way its just a coincidence.....

CAN'T be Shannon's dad. When Hurley is doing the census, Shannon gives her name and Boone gives the explanation that they have different last names because Shannon was married once. The man who died may have been her husbands late father.

CAN'T be Shannon's dad. When Hurley is doing the census, Shannon gives her name and Boone gives the explanation that they have different last names because Shannon was married once. The man who died may have been her husbands late father.

Boone says Shannon was married once, but that Rutherford is her maiden name.

Did Shannon say that her dad gave all his money to Boone's mom? I recall it was her excuse for using men?

If I'm remembering correctly, then maybe they had just been married a short time (just for fun, he's on his way back from paying Boone's mom for supplies) when Shannon's father was killed by Sarah, thus leaving Shannon's inheritance to Boone's mom?

Shannon was 14 and too young to be married except in Arkansas (or insert the correct state with child marriage). However, all we know for sure is that it was at least three years ago (since even if Jack's marriage lasted almost no time, he was certainly single during the ATBC flashbacks). But in any case, Adam wasn't Shannon's husband because a) Boone said that Rutherford was her father's name, and b) if her husband had died she probably would have gotten some money out of it.

I did not say she meet him that day or year. Boone said she liked older men she could have meet him when she was 18 or even 17.

Except he would've been dead already.

dude, Mr. Rutheford was 57...

Except he would've been dead already.

The Corpse Groom ? :biggrin:

Did anyone think Jack looked like Adam Sandler in The Wedding Singer :roflmao:

Did anyone think Jack looked like Adam Sandler in The Wedding Singer :roflmao:
He actually kinda reminded me of the eldest brother in "Party of Five" :rolleyes:

Except he would've been dead already.

I was referring to an earlier post of mine, I stated that maybe Sarah's ex fiancé had later meet and married Shannon.
I did not mean the man that was killed was Shannon's husband.

I think we might have gotten a bit confused with all the post that are flying around.

He actually kinda reminded me of the eldest brother in "Party of Five" :rolleyes:

I never watched that show so I guess that why I did not make that connection.

oooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, that explains a lot, lol

I did not mean the man that was killed was Shannon's husband.



Sorry. I completely misunderstood. My original post wasn't in response to yours, but to the timeline that waltisfuture posted just above mine.


He actually kinda reminded me of the eldest brother in "Party of Five"

Wow, you're right. Whatever happened to that guy? ;)

43, let alone 51 is no where near to old for a man to have a child. Unlike women, they can pretty much have then at any age, just as long as the little guys are still swimming! As a matter of fact. I would have to say that 43 for a grandfather is really, really young, and very unrealistic, even 51 is pushing it.

Mr Rutherford was 57 in 1997(apparently there is something in one of the scenes where you can see the date), that was 7 years ago, Lost time(it's still 2004 on the island). (In fact Matthew Fox had a hairstyle very similar to that in 1997, only it looked better than that horrible wig :) ). 7 years ago Shannon was 13. 57-13 makes Mr Rutherford 44 when Shannon was born. If he's her father he was an older father. If her grandfather he was a young grandfather(and it's not that unusual for someone to be that young as a grandfather, if he had his son at age 21 and his son had a child at age 23, he'd be a 44 year old grandfather).

Also Sarah didn't say she was just hit by someone else, she did mentioned that HER car jumped the divider(when her tire blew out) and she was hit head on by an SUV. Technically that is probably quite correct. Her car may have stopped moving but the SUV couldn't stop in time and hit her. Yes she was the one on the wrong side of the road BUT that doesn't mean SHE hit anyone, she could still have been the one to be hit. You're not going to get into all the gory details at your rehearsal dinner. :)

Sorry. I completely misunderstood. My original post wasn't in response to yours, but to the timeline that waltisfuture posted just above mine.


That's Ok. I find myself, at times, wondering if I have posted the right response to the right thread! :drowsy:

It can get confusing :biggrin:


I think that POF guy...what's his name... I think he got sucked into a black whole some were and is standard on the island of mystery :boat:

What if Desmond was responsible for the crash that has tied Jack/Sarah/Boone/Shannon/Mr. Rutherford together...?

Yeah, I caught that. Jack's future/former wife hits Shannon's dad who dies, which leads to Shannon losing her money and maipulating her brother, which ruins Boone's life. Butterfly Effect! Or not.

Who planned Jack's wedding to Sarah ?

What if Desmond was responsible for the crash that has tied Jack/Sarah/Boone/Shannon/Mr. Rutherford together...?

I'm still trying to catch up on the posts, but this made me think...

Did anyone see Desmond in the hospital when Mr. Rutherford and Sarah were brought in or being treated?

and yes I love the wedding conection as well, because Boones mother makes wedding dresses..how interesting

I was referring to an earlier post of mine, I stated that maybe Sarah's ex fiancé had later meet and married Shannon.
I did not mean the man that was killed was Shannon's husband.

I think we might have gotten a bit confused with all the post that are flying around.

Me, I like this thought of Shannon marrying Kevin. They would deserve each other.

Back off Shannon lover's, her part is written to be disliked. I also read recently that her part was originally supposed to be even Bitchier. I can't imagine. I love Maggie, and the fact that she's made me hate Shannon, is kudo's to her acting abilities.

If we presume Jack is in early 40, and Oceanic flight 815 drops off radar in 2005, and knowing most doctors finish their studies as 25-28 year old... that gives u a 15 years timespan.


Boone also might have given us a hint/clue. Teresa fell down the stairs when Shannon and Boone where 6 years old. Something tells me Shannon's father died shortly before or right after this incident.

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Teresa was Boones nanny, not Shannons, their parents didnt marry til they were 8 & 10 years old

Me, I like this thought of Shannon marrying Kevin. They would deserve each other.

Back off Shannon lover's, her part is written to be disliked. I also read recently that her part was originally supposed to be even BITCHAier. I can't imagine. I love Maggie, and the fact that she's made me hate Shannon, is kudo's to her acting abilities.

I don't think her part is written to be disliked.. I think Shannon is one of the key people we are meant to grow with. We hate her as much as we hate ourselves, and the fact that she is speaking out, growing a backbone, and being a voice we are starting to listen to is awesome. As Boone said, Shannon is "Special." And she is the one who sees Walt.

And I do think it's her father, not her husband who dies at 8:15. Even though she likes older men. Maybe she's so cold to Boone because he doesn't know.

I don't think her part is written to be disliked.. I think Shannon is one of the key people we are meant to grow with. We hate her as much as we hate ourselves, and the fact that she is speaking out, growing a backbone, and being a voice we are starting to listen to is awesome. As Boone said, Shannon is "Special." And she is the one who sees Walt.

And I do think it's her father, not her husband who dies at 8:15. Even though she likes older men. Maybe she's so cold to Boone because he doesn't know.

Yeah that's what I meant to say. :cool: lol

I recall it being said that Shannon's character was written to be more of a "Paris Hilton" type. Like a little princess who expects everyone (Boone) to tend to her needs. I also picked up a lot of resentment and a sense of entitlement. In the first episodes they showed her as being self centered and vain. Her character has really grown and we've seen more sides to her personality. She has what I feel are self esteme issues. We hear a lot of comments like "didn't you hear I was worthless" and how she doesn't contribute. I think she'll be the one who is challange with a big task that could change everything. I think she's more important than people think.

If anyone wants the answer officially to this question just go to a spoiler post, if you want to be spoiled by it or just talk about it
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=503874#post503874

I was referring to an earlier post of mine, I stated that maybe Sarah's ex fiancé had later meet and married Shannon.
I did not mean the man that was killed was Shannon's husband.

I think we might have gotten a bit confused with all the post that are flying around.


Ahhh, gotcha. That happens. I certainly want to know more about Shannon's marriage!

Also, I wonder if maybe Shannon likes older men because she lost her father?

I'm not good at timeline stuff, but I've come across stuff that may help someone else figure it out.

Sawyer is born (Christian said he had a son around his age). . . . 1968 36Y BPC
Boone born . . . . ?/10/1981 22Y BPC
Shannon born . . . . 1984 20Y BPC
Theresa, Boone's nanny, breaks neck on stairs . . . . 1988 16Y BPC
Boone's mother and Shannon's father marry each other . . . .1992 12Y BPC
Walt is born . . . . 8/24/1994 10Y BPC
So, if Jack was born around 1968, when the plane crashed in 2004, he would be around 36 years old.

This is my first post, but I've been lurking on the board for quite some time...

When trying to establish how long ago Sarah had her accident, in the flashback there is an obvious pause on a police officer talking on a cell phone. The phone appears to be a flip open model. http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=67

Does anybody know when Cell phones first appeared in a flip open style?

I also remember that Shannon was 10 when her father died, so based on when she was born, that would mean the accident was in 1994, two years after he married Boone's mother.

On Jack's St. Sebastian's name tag you are supposed to be able to read the year 1997.
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=648&pos=484 except that the screen caps for this episode are so grainy that you can't read them.
H&M
MALCOLM (POLICE DETECTIVE): Now, if that were her mate, see, then I could help
you. Let's finish taking down the rest of your information. You were saying
she's your sister. Then why is her name Rutherford and yours Carlyle? Is she
married?
BOONE: She was married. She's not married anymore. Now, that has nothing to
do with this.
(The Police Detective doesn't say anything and continues to stare at him. Boone
reluctantly explains.)
BOONE: Rutherford is her father's name. Our parents got married when I was
ten, she was eight.

H&M later
BOONE: You set me up. This whole thing was a setup.
BRYAN: She's just getting what she's owed.
BOONE: What did you say?
BRYAN: She told me your mum screwed Shannon over after her daddy died, kept all
her father's money for herself. Oh, sweet mum you got there.

Thanks Sam G! You are the queen of information.

BTW. Do have any info on the 40 days vs. 44 days debate? Just PM me if you do. Thanks!