Okay, so this is totally devoted to Desmond, speculating on whats up with him after only the first episode.

In general, here's my theory.

Test subject for a drug experiment, been isolated because they didn't know what the drug would do. Best guess, make him a killing machine. Forgot about him, and left him to stay. Drugs affected his mind, so he can't remember much about himself. The numbers on the side are on the bottle, so his little "bio-dome" has those numbers to signify that drug is in this box. In theory, several boxes could exists.

The radio tower originally broadcast those numbers. They put him on the island with a type of "tracking signal" so they could find him again. But the island, for whatever reason, is either moving or vanished. I got more, but let's leave it at that for now. Any others?

Jack's older brother, his father came to australia to look for him but got too close and was killed. Jack came to get his father's corpse and Desmond planned it so the plane would crash because jack has some thing inside of that Desmond needs to continue his research for some kind of biological weapon. or something.

After their little heart warming chat, they decided to do the naughty together... which is why Jack smelled bad to Sarah...

hehe

Okay, so this is totally devoted to Desmond, speculating on whats up with him after only the first episode.

In general, here's my theory.

Test subject for a drug experiment, been isolated because they didn't know what the drug would do. Best guess, make him a killing machine. Forgot about him, and left him to stay. Drugs affected his mind, so he can't remember much about himself. The numbers on the side are on the bottle, so his little "bio-dome" has those numbers to signify that drug is in this box. In theory, several boxes could exists.

The radio tower originally broadcast those numbers. They put him on the island with a type of "tracking signal" so they could find him again. But the island, for whatever reason, is either moving or vanished. I got more, but let's leave it at that for now. Any others?

I like that theory! It fits in with what I was thinking. When I first saw all the computer stuff and the way the tunnels looked (with those pipes), I thought Government Project - Abandoned. I don't think the island is moving but if it is a government experiement site, it's very possible that the gov. is keeping it secret from the rest of the world.

But because of the computers, I doubt they have forgotten him. More likely they just left him there. But why and are the ones in the boat connected to him? So much in just one episode! WOW!!
:biggrin:

Jack's older brother, his father came to australia to look for him but got too close and was killed. Jack came to get his father's corpse and Desmond planned it so the plane would crash because jack has some thing inside of that Desmond needs to continue his research for some kind of biological weapon. or something.
I'm foggy on the older brother. Wouldn't Jack recognize him? And why the Irish (or was that Scotish?) accent? No, don't think that's who he is.

But with all that compuer equipment, he could have very possibly been responsible for jamming the plane's radio and pulling them off course!

After their little heart warming chat, they decided to do the naughty together... which is why Jack smelled bad to Sarah...

hehe

Ha you win.

Okay, so this is totally devoted to Desmond, speculating on whats up with him after only the first episode.

In general, here's my theory.

Test subject for a drug experiment, been isolated because they didn't know what the drug would do. Best guess, make him a killing machine. Forgot about him, and left him to stay. Drugs affected his mind, so he can't remember much about himself. The numbers on the side are on the bottle, so his little "bio-dome" has those numbers to signify that drug is in this box. In theory, several boxes could exists.

The radio tower originally broadcast those numbers. They put him on the island with a type of "tracking signal" so they could find him again. But the island, for whatever reason, is either moving or vanished. I got more, but let's leave it at that for now. Any others?

All of that would be fine and dandy if Desmond was just a guy they found down there...but he's not. He's from Jack's past and that will play a big part in it. I think people are really neglecting this huge detail. He is FROM Jack's PAST. Wow.

I like the first theory too. I wish I had better memory, I seem to recall Jack asking what Desmond was doing and he said "Training", and I remember Jack asking "what for" but I don't remember the answer. :undecide:

a round the world race wasn't it?

It is in his bio that he's a Scottish adventure seeker. My guess is he was on an adventure when he ended up on the island, and he's a survivor who's gathered stuff from all over the island to make his nice Hatchhome. It could be stuff left over from the war and the supplies could be from many other "crashes" to the island. The injections were very weird though, I though of steroids or growth hormones right away. He was using a food supplement too.

He said to Jack, "You don't believe in Miracles" and Jack returned to the hospital and witnessed Sarah's miracle. He also said to Jack when he left him at the stadium, "See you in another life eh" Just like Nadia said to Sayid.

He also told Jack to "lift it up" in reference to his ankle, but could it mean more?

All of that would be fine and dandy if Desmond was just a guy they found down there...but he's not. He's from Jack's past and that will play a big part in it. I think people are really neglecting this huge detail. He is FROM Jack's PAST. Wow.
No, you are absolutely right! But, with Desmond making the comment to Jack that he was "almost a doctor" he could very well have gone on to be involved in some kind of drug experiment program.

But what I found interesting is that Jack had that particular flashback on that particular night. Had he not, I doubt he would have recognized Desmond.

It is in his bio that he's a Scottish adventure seeker. My guess is he was on an adventure when he ended up on the island, and he's a survivor who's gathered stuff from all over the island to make his nice Hatchhome. It could be stuff left over from the war and the supplies could be from many other "crashes" to the island. The injections were very weird though, I though of steroids or growth hormones right away. He was using a food supplement too.

He said to Jack, "You don't believe in Miracles" and Jack returned to the hospital and witnessed Sarah's miracle. He also said to Jack when he left him at the stadium, "See you in another life eh" Just like Nadia said to Sayid.

He also told Jack to "lift it up" in reference to his ankle, but could it mean more?
Walt, I can always count on you for good explanations!

I thought he sounded Scottish and not Irish. I like, too, that you recalled the similarities in Nadia's parting words to Sayid and Desmond's to Jack. Does this mean that Nadia will turn up, too? ;)

I think the line that he was almost a doctor is very significant. It raises many questions as to why he isn't a doctor. Some other things to ponder. He is inside the Hatch with quarantine written on the inside and no way to open it from the outside, suggesting that the underground is being protected from whatever was unleashed on the "Island". HMMM An adventure seeking "almost doctor". This totally smacks of a government project and Desmond being part of the team controlling the project(Experiment).

Are we sure Desmond's name ends with a "D"? If not and his name is Desmon, scrambled up it spells Demons.

I don't think he's locked up too tight. There must be other access points since he has fresh fruit and eggs. The geo-bio-dome looks pretty sterile, so where'd all the fresh stuff come from? I'm totally intrigued.

Are we sure Desmond's name ends with a "D"? If not and his name is Desmon, scrambled up it spells Demons.
LOL. There they go again! :biggrin:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0193738/

Yes, we're sure. :)

I'm foggy on the older brother. Wouldn't Jack recognize him? And why the Irish (or was that Scotish?) accent? No, don't think that's who he is.

But with all that compuer equipment, he could have very possibly been responsible for jamming the plane's radio and pulling them off course!

But did you all notice how OLD the computers were? And vinyl records instead of CDs? If I went to the "real world" and knew I had to go back I would be stocking up on the newest gadgets for sure. So is Desmond also a "prisoner" of the island as well?

Are we sure Desmond's name ends with a "D"? If not and his name is Desmon, scrambled up it spells Demons.

Don't we need his last name before we can make an anagram? If his last name was Cort, we would have "Mends Doctor". If his last name was Smith then "Minds Methods". If it was Jones it would be "Jo sends demon". I think it's too early to tell if we have an anagram.

I noticed that Desmond's weapons were all older Russian models - He's holding a Makarov pistol to Locke's head, and in the teaser for the next episode he's holding an AK assault rifle. So there could be a Russian/Cold War involvement somewhere

Of course, Russian wargear is pretty widespread all over the world - especially AK's. But the Makarov is a fairly uncommon pistol. Given the creator's documented attention to detail, why would they choose a Makarov over something more ubiquitous (and probably more readily found in every Hollywood armorer's collection) like a 1911, Glock, or an M92?

http://www.volny.cz/weapon/pistole/makarov/pi-m.jpg

There is definitely an emphasis on the older technology for the computers and records, but in the background of the kitchen shot I could have sworn there was a front loading washer and dryer that look like the brand new ones you see in stores now.

Is it possible that the lack of modern computers and cds are linked to the nanotech theories. For some reason digital technology is sensitive to this?

Also, since Desmond is involved in Sarah's recovery of mobility, is it possible that he is responsible for Locke's recovery of mobility?

BD

I posted this in spoiler theories but I think it applies here as well.

So Jack goes down in to the hatch and discovers this door that looks pretty sealed up and seems to have been that way for awhile. He gets closer and there is some magnetic pull to it – the key around his neck is moving towards it. So this ‘device’ has a massive magnetic pulse to it (possibly what disrupts ship’s radars and plane’s scanners causing them to shipwreck or crash)

Desmond says he’s going to “run around the world” or something along the lines of that. Nice cover story.

Is it possible that he has been selected for a government or secret agency job. He is to stand guard over this top secret piece of equipment that has been there since the 50’s. Possibly something having to do with the Philadelphia Experiment. The last time the facilities was refurbished was the mid 70’s. Ethan and Desmond are chosen to be a team and stand guard on this island. Make sure no one ever gets to this ‘device’. They are sentries.

They work out – they inject them selves with strength enhancing formula, etc.

And “The Others” are a group that have been trying to discover this ‘device for years and for generations. They’ve been scouring this island, almost like treasure hunters, trying to find the lost Philadelphia Experiment. Doesn’t explain why they need children, but this idea hit me as I was falling asleep last night.

There is definitely an emphasis on the older technology for the computers and records, but in the background of the kitchen shot I could have sworn there was a front loading washer and dryer that look like the brand new ones you see in stores now.

Is it possible that the lack of modern computers and cds are linked to the nanotech theories. For some reason digital technology is sensitive to this?

Also, since Desmond is involved in Sarah's recovery of mobility, is it possible that he is responsible for Locke's recovery of mobility?

BD

Very good theory but we don't know for certain that Desmond cured Sarah or if he just knew that she was healed/fixed. But somehow I do think that he is tied into more than just being stuck on the island. He may even be the one that controls the "monster."

I posted this in spoiler theories but I think it applies here as well.

So Jack goes down in to the hatch and discovers this door that looks pretty sealed up and seems to have been that way for awhile. He gets closer and there is some magnetic pull to it – the key around his neck is moving towards it. So this ‘device’ has a massive magnetic pulse to it (possibly what disrupts ship’s radars and plane’s scanners causing them to shipwreck or crash)

Desmond says he’s going to “run around the world” or something along the lines of that. Nice cover story.

Is it possible that he has been selected for a government or secret agency job. He is to stand guard over this top secret piece of equipment that has been there since the 50’s. Possibly something having to do with the Philadelphia Experiment. The last time the facilities was refurbished was the mid 70’s. Ethan and Desmond are chosen to be a team and stand guard on this island. Make sure no one ever gets to this ‘device’. They are sentries.

They work out – they inject them selves with strength enhancing formula, etc.

And “The Others” are a group that have been trying to discover this ‘device for years and for generations. They’ve been scouring this island, almost like treasure hunters, trying to find the lost Philadelphia Experiment. Doesn’t explain why they need children, but this idea hit me as I was falling asleep last night.
I definitelythink there is a gov. connection. I had forgotten about Ethan and that your idea that that Desmond and Ethan were together makes sense.

Perhaps they need the children for experiments or to train the 'next generation" and getting them young is the easiest way to train them. Although they're in for a surprise if they think they can get Walt on their sides!

jbdean says: But somehow I do think that he is tied into more than just being stuck on the island. He may even be the one that controls the "monster."

I definitely agree that Desmond is controlling at least one "monster". The monster that grabbed Locke sounded like something low tech which I believe was intentional. The low tech monster would tie in to the low tech computers, etc. in the hatch.

BD

I have a theory,
I believe Desmond is there as part of a goverment project/experiment. The hatch door has the word quarrantine on it but it was written on the inside. If the inside of the hatch was what was supposed to be quarrantined, wouldn't quarrantine be on the outside of the door, warning people outside of the danger that may be inside?. It seems to me that experiments are being conducted on the island itself, so the island is what's quarratined. And Desmonds is the guardian of that experiment. Maybe once in a while, he does something magnetic to crash planes and ships to the island to bring "subjects" to the island to continue the experiments. Sara's and Locke's recovery may be part of that project. Now the "others" or the swamp people who kidnap Walt might be either more subjects who figured out the experiment and are trying to stop or maybe became insane(side effect of the experiment) or used to be keepers of the experiment.
Wow, my brain feels fried.

There is definitely an emphasis on the older technology for the computers and records, but in the background of the kitchen shot I could have sworn there was a front loading washer and dryer that look like the brand new ones you see in stores now.

Is it possible that the lack of modern computers and cds are linked to the nanotech theories. For some reason digital technology is sensitive to this?

Also, since Desmond is involved in Sarah's recovery of mobility, is it possible that he is responsible for Locke's recovery of mobility?

BD

Digital technology is certainly affected by heavy magnetic fields! But then again, so are the tape reels on the mainframe in the dome?
Scuzzle

Just one thing about the way he looked at Jack- he did not look shocked at all when he saw Jack he had an evil kind of face but at the same time like saying "remember me" so that could show he knew about the survivors and specifically Jack, or surely he would have been as shocked as Jack was?

I definitelythink there is a gov. connection. I had forgotten about Ethan and that your idea that that Desmond and Ethan were together makes sense.

Perhaps they need the children for experiments or to train the 'next generation" and getting them young is the easiest way to train them. Although they're in for a surprise if they think they can get Walt on their sides!

I also think that it would be a really cool idea if what Ethan was actually trying todo was protect Claire from something, albeit by force, but he wanted her so he could keep her safe, damn the consequences or actions he did to get her.

He seemed fairly adaptable and assimilated himself amongt the survivors fairly easily. Also, if he was able to sneak into camp from the ocean and kill someone, that could possibly involve some sort of government NAVY Seal training or something along those lines.

But I definitely think that Desmond is there to do a job, knowing full well that it could be a lengthy time period before any sort of relief comes, so he tries to keep himself in top peak mental and physical condition.

Wow. I've been carefully avoiding spoiler threads, now I'm thinking I shouldn't even read speculations as so many of you come up with stuff that makes me go, "Of course! Why didn't I think of that?" Of course we still don't know that Ethan was Desmond's roommate, so I haven't been spoiled per se, but the more I think about it, the more sense it makes.

Did anyone else think that Jack having run into Desmond all those years ago was a little....lame? When Desmond first showed up in the flashback, my thought was, "Man, he'd better not be the guy in the hatch...", but then when he said, "See you in another life", there was no doubt in my mind. And sure enough.

I can imagine the joyous reunion in next week's episode, "Wow, you're the guy I ran into running steps back in LA around when I met my wife. Now we meet again, in a quarantine bunker on a remote Pacific island that my plane happened to crash on. Small world!" Unless there's a really nifty explanation, this is descending to soap-opera levels of incredibility.

Other than that, I absolutely loved the episode! Especially the surreal contrast between Desmond's blender, LPs, dirty dishes, workout bench, and steroid bottle, with the primitive environment topside. He could be in any bachelor pad around the world, his just happens to be 50 feet underground in the middle of nowhere. Here's a question, though -- the blowing of the hatch door sends the phonograph needle sliding across the record. When we hear the same song again later, why isn't the record skipping? ;-)

But what I found interesting is that Jack had that particular flashback on that particular night. Had he not, I doubt he would have recognized Desmond.

Am I missing something? I thought the flashbacks were just for our (the tv viewing population) benefit? I mean, why would Jack be thinking of that particular time in his life when he first met Sarah and ran into "crazy" Desmond running around the same staduim as him on the SAME night that he actually ran into Desmond again in the hatch? I'm sure the writers are not insinuating that the flashbacks are actually running through the characters minds as we see them, are they?

I think more emphasis needs to be put on the fact that Jack had met Desmond previously. They had only met that once in the stadium so what are the odds that of all the people in the world that could've been in that hatch, it was Desmond? In the clips from last season, it showed Locke saying to Jack "Each one of us has been brought here for a reason". I think Desmond brought them there with help from his mega-magnet and old computers. Also, if Jack had met Desmond before couldn't some if not all of the other survivors have met him at one point?

Another thing I noticed in the stadium flashback was that it seemed as if Desmond just appeared in the stands and that Jack hadn't noticed him before we saw him. Hmmm....

Am I missing something? I thought the flashbacks were just for our (the tv viewing population) benefit? I mean, why would Jack be thinking of that particular time in his life when he first met Sarah and ran into "crazy" Desmond running around the same staduim as him on the SAME night that he actually ran into Desmond again in the hatch? I'm sure the writers are not insinuating that the flashbacks are actually running through the characters minds as we see them, are they?

I'm not sure on this, I mean you can really argue it both ways. I mean on one side why would Jack be thinking of all that stuff in the flashbacks (that occured throughout the enite episode) before he even saw Desmond? He would start thinking about all that stuff after he see's Desmond.

On the other hand, during a lot of the flashbacks from season 1, the person who was having the flashbacks would sometimes act or make an expression as if they were thinking about it at that moment. For example, in Charlie's flashbacks from The Moth, right after the flashback when he puked in the copier he kind of rolled his eyes and acted as if he was embarassed at himself or something like that.

But I don't really know what the producers are trying to do, although I ussually don't anyway.

I have a theory,
I believe Desmond is there as part of a goverment project/experiment. The hatch door has the word quarrantine on it but it was written on the inside. If the inside of the hatch was what was supposed to be quarrantined, wouldn't quarrantine be on the outside of the door, warning people outside of the danger that may be inside?. It seems to me that experiments are being conducted on the island itself, so the island is what's quarratined. And Desmonds is the guardian of that experiment. Maybe once in a while, he does something magnetic to crash planes and ships to the island to bring "subjects" to the island to continue the experiments. Sara's and Locke's recovery may be part of that project. Now the "others" or the swamp people who kidnap Walt might be either more subjects who figured out the experiment and are trying to stop or maybe became insane(side effect of the experiment) or used to be keepers of the experiment.
Wow, my brain feels fried.

Good point. But if is his in charge, let's look at a coupel of things.

1. It seems as if he's rather clueless as to the meaning of the numbers. Unblike us who have been doing math for months, all he did was add them up to 108.
2. It looks like he's digging a hold to the magnetic force in the wall. Like he doesn't know what it is.
3. He has a computer that looks like an Apple II. Which would suggest he was put down there by someone long ago. If he's running the island, wouldn't he have updated technology?
4. If he wasn't the one under quarentine, why is he pumping drugs into his system?

What if "Desmond" or "Desmon" is the devil (or a demon, as the letters in his name might suggest?) He made reference to it during the flashback, saying something like "why's the devil chasing you?" Could Jack have unknowingly made a pact with the devil about Sarah's condition and THAT is what caused the "miracle"?

When we hear the same song again later, why isn't the record skipping? ;-)

vinyl's tougher than that. ;) seriously, it doesn't scratch/skip every time a needle slides off the record. thank goodness! lots of my records would be ruined if it did!

I think the line that he was almost a doctor is very significant. It raises many questions as to why he isn't a doctor.

I agree -- the fact that Desmond is not a doctor is very significant. Perhaps he is not a doctor because he could not abide by one of the main tenets of the Hippocratic Oath: Do no harm.

Thoughts?

Good point. But if is his in charge, let's look at a coupel of things.

1. It seems as if he's rather clueless as to the meaning of the numbers. Unblike us who have been doing math for months, all he did was add them up to 108.
2. It looks like he's digging a hold to the magnetic force in the wall. Like he doesn't know what it is.
3. He has a computer that looks like an Apple II. Which would suggest he was put down there by someone long ago. If he's running the island, wouldn't he have updated technology?
4. If he wasn't the one under quarentine, why is he pumping drugs into his system?
Whoa there. I think he knows nearly everything about the numbers. He paints them everywhere, he lives in a hatch that has them written on them, his combination to his safe had atleast 23 and 42, his medicine has them on there he rides his bike at a steady 16 mph, he freaking types them into his computer in execute. I think he fully understands the numbers.

when Desmond said 'for a race around the world' it made me think of the nuclear arms race ... and it's also when i was convinced he was going to be the one in the hatch...

What if "Desmond" or "Desmon" is the devil (or a demon, as the letters in his name might suggest?) He made reference to it during the flashback, saying something like "why's the devil chasing you?" Could Jack have unknowingly made a pact with the devil about Sarah's condition and THAT is what caused the "miracle"?
His name has the "d" at the end. On IMDb it lists the role and it's spelled "Desmond." And I doubt that a demon would be trapped in that bunker.

Good point. But if is his in charge, let's look at a coupel of things.

1. It seems as if he's rather clueless as to the meaning of the numbers. Unblike us who have been doing math for months, all he did was add them up to 108.
2. It looks like he's digging a hold to the magnetic force in the wall. Like he doesn't know what it is.
3. He has a computer that looks like an Apple II. Which would suggest he was put down there by someone long ago. If he's running the island, wouldn't he have updated technology?
4. If he wasn't the one under quarentine, why is he pumping drugs into his system?
The computers and the vinyl records show us that he's been down there for a long time. I think they used those to show that to us.

What I want to know is that if he's quarentined down there, how does he get more of the stuff in the bottles? I don't think he'd make it himself as it wouldn't have those labels on the bottles. Was Ethan, perhaps, his outside connection?

And something that I thought of tonight ... when Locke and Boone found the hatch it was covered with mud and debri. Yet when Desmond heard the boom from the dynamite, he immidiately went to look out the two openings (maybe two hatches?). If they had been covered with mud and stuff, he'd know that he could no longer look out. Why did he bother and not go to the hatch opening. Surely he could tell which hatch it was by the closeness of the sound and if both are really close to him, he would have gone to investigate but not looked out. Make sense? :confused:

Maybe desmond was already aware something was going on outside of the hatch... remember when Locke was beating on it, frustrated about Boone, and the light came on? I think Desmond knew something was up (pardon the pun) outside, and thats why he ran so quickly for his ammo.

Whoa there. I think he knows nearly everything about the numbers. He paints them everywhere, he lives in a hatch that has them written on them, his combination to his safe had atleast 23 and 42, his medicine has them on there he rides his bike at a steady 16 mph, he freaking types them into his computer in execute. I think he fully understands the numbers.
Honestly, I agreed with you at first but then I thought on it a bit and can see another side to that.

He may not have any idea what the numbers mean and because he's been down there for so long, the numbers have gotten to him like they did the guy Hurley was in the hospital with. He may just use them everywhere because they are in his mind so much. Kind of like OCD.

Maybe desmond was already aware something was going on outside of the hatch... remember when Locke was beating on it, frustrated about Boone, and the light came on? I think Desmond knew something was up (pardon the pun) outside, and thats why he ran so quickly for his ammo.

I agree, read my post "I think Desmond was expecting them" in general theories

Maybe desmond was already aware something was going on outside of the hatch... remember when Locke was beating on it, frustrated about Boone, and the light came on? I think Desmond knew something was up (pardon the pun) outside, and thats why he ran so quickly for his ammo.
You may be right. And when the light came on that first time, it might have been Desmond seeing if he could see what was up top.

I tweaked the brightness and contrast only on the scene with Desmond @ the telescope thing...

Is that blood?

http://sier.home.comcast.net/who_is_this.jpg

I am hosting this in my own ftp space, so not hotlinking please.

A few things:

1. Desmond is not being quarantined. I don't know about anyone else, but I always thought that QUARANTINE signs are posted on the outside of what is being quarantined, to stop you from entering. Since the word QUARANTINE is very clearly stenciled on the inside of the hatch, I think it's safe to say that it's the island that's being quarantined.

2. If there is a scientific explanation for everything on the island, such as these X-Files-ish government conspiracy theories, I'd like to know the science (and please don't say nanotech, or I'll get sick) that allows over forty-eight passengers to crash on an island without becoming seriously injured. There are definitely things going on that cannot and will never be able to be explained by science. That's the importance of this episode's title. There's science, and there's faith. You eliminate one, you become a cruel and ignorant theocracy. You eliminate the other, you become a cruel and narrow-minded beaurocracy. You need both to live. Basically: Desmond didn't bring any of them there. He could set it up, but he wouldn't be able to judge who dies in the crash and who doesn't. And even if he could, let's say, through science, how could he control the predictability of human behavior for the next forty days to ensure that the ones he brought do survive? Or that they'd even survive the moments following the crash? There's only one explanation for plans like that, and it starts to sound a lot like the "d" word (which is Destiny, for those who haven't guessed). The "Desmond is God" theories are more plausible than this theory, and I pray to the Holy Desmond that the writers don't try to pull that, either. Ugh. There's nothing worse than a simple answer.

3. I believe this encounter with Desmond is a vision, and possibly the first encounter with Desmond was a vision as well. Either way it gives a different strength to the argument that the encounter in the bunker was a vision.

4. Desmond is probably a sex machine. He's got love, and he's got mojo. He is in, baby, and he is the man right now. Let's hear it for Desmond. Yo.

I tweaked the brightness and contrast only on the scene with Desmond @ the telescope thing...

Is that blood?

http://sier.home.comcast.net/who_is_this.jpg

I am hosting this in my own ftp space, so not hotlinking please.
Is that his hand, sier, that you think has blood on it? We saw one of his hands holding the gun on Locke and no blood but dirt. Maybe it's dirt. See if you can see his hands when he's typing. That would tell you if it's blood but I don't recall his hands being that dirty/bloody at all.

You woldn't happen to have a good cappy of his face would you? [she asks very sweetly] :biggrin:

A few things:

1. Desmond is not being quarantined. I don't know about anyone else, but I always thought that QUARANTINE signs are posted on the outside of what is being quarantined, to stop you from entering. Since the word QUARANTINE is very clearly stenciled on the inside of the hatch, I think it's safe to say that it's the island that's being quarantined.

2. If there is a scientific explanation for everything on the island, such as these X-Files-ish government conspiracy theories, I'd like to know the science (and please don't say nanotech, or I'll get sick) that allows over forty-eight passengers to crash on an island without becoming seriously injured. There are definitely things going on that cannot and will never be able to be explained by science. That's the importance of this episode's title. There's science, and there's faith. You eliminate one, you become a cruel and ignorant theocracy. You eliminate the other, you become a cruel and narrow-minded beaurocracy. You need both to live. Basically: Desmond didn't bring any of them there. He could set it up, but he wouldn't be able to judge who dies in the crash and who doesn't. And even if he could, let's say, through science, how could he control the predictability of human behavior for the next forty days to ensure that the ones he brought do survive? Or that they'd even survive the moments following the crash? There's only one explanation for plans like that, and it starts to sound a lot like the "d" word (which is Destiny, for those who haven't guessed). The "Desmond is God" theories are more plausible than this theory, and I pray to the Holy Desmond that the writers don't try to pull that, either. Ugh. There's nothing worse than a simple answer.

3. I believe this encounter with Desmond is a vision, and possibly the first encounter with Desmond was a vision as well. Either way it gives a different strength to the argument that the encounter in the bunker was a vision.

4. Desmond is probably a sex machine. He's got love, and he's got mojo. He is in, baby, and he is the man right now. Let's hear it for Desmond. Yo.

Well, I don't think for a second that the writers are going to pawn him off as God or even a god. That just is too juvenile for these ace writers.

And I'm not following your reasoning on Desmond being a vision. For him to be a vision, Kate, Locke and Jack would all have to be having the same vision. Not possible, in my mind.

Season one already gave us several "connections" between the 48 survivors and season two continues that with the man who died having the same last name as Shannon, & with Desmond meeting Jack in the stadium. They are all tied together somehow. Makes me think of the old play/film "Ten Little Indians." A group of people that don't know each other are invited to dinner by a host that never shows and they eventually find that they all have something in common.

But I do agree that even if Desmond could have a way to bring the plane down (which I can't see a logical reason for yet) he would have no way to pick who would survive and who would die. For all we know, the computers are there just to keep his den running (like water, air, electricity, etc.) and may have no connection to the surface at all. To me that makes much more sense.

Ok...here are my thoughts on the Desmond dilemma. I truly believe "almost a doctor" is our key line here. For some reason, the movie Reanimator popped into my mind when I was watching last night. I think during Desmond's med school days he developed a formula which could either reanimate paralyzed people or have some control over a person's body or mind. He may have even been kicked out of school because he was either using ingredients or test subjects that the school banded or considered unethical (stem cell research or mental patients come to mind here). I also believe that whatever he has created may have some form of an accelerated aging process. In seeing him with Jack on the steps, he looks approximately the same age, but in what you could see of him behind Locke, he looks much older (more pronounced lines, looser jowls, some gray hair) and I would guess that not more than a few years passed between their original meeting. I believe that some form of government (ours, or some other country) saw his experiments and invested in them heavily, to the extent of furnishing him with the facilities and possible test subjects to conduct further experiments. I also think that maybe Ethan was something of a guard dog, if you will, to monitor any new subjects for prospective use in these experiments and to keep Desmond safe. And I found it interesting that he offered Jack his water bottle, which Jack drank out of several times, but Desmond never did that I was able to see. It could be some type of drug to determine a person's type which would be most helpful in his experiments. Everyone is there for a reason and many of the remaining main group have been labeled "special" or "different", which I also think is another significant clue.

Ok....thats enough of my rambling, lack of sleep thoughts....any ideas or thoughts?

Here is what I believe, I don't really have much support for it, but its what I want to believe.

Since Desmond was training to race around the world, maybe he ended up getting stranded on this island aswell. He is quarantined and i think he contracted whatever it was that Danielle's crew became infected with. Perhaps for whatever reason, the Island decided to keep him and study the infection but giving him enough syrum to stay alive. I also like to believe that he has nothing to do with the Island bad nature. He isn't controlling its action or anything. Another possibility is that he is in hiding but then how come he has his drugs and decent living accomodations, i dont have much to support that theory. This is all a very poor guess but its what i want to believe anyways

Here is what I believe, I don't really have much support for it, but its what I want to believe.

Since Desmond was training to race around the world, maybe he ended up getting stranded on this island aswell. He is quarantined and i think he contracted whatever it was that Danielle's crew became infected with. Perhaps for whatever reason, the Island decided to keep him and study the infection but giving him enough syrum to stay alive. I also like to believe that he has nothing to do with the Island bad nature. He isn't controlling its action or anything. Another possibility is that he is in hiding but then how come he has his drugs and decent living accomodations, i dont have much to support that theory. This is all a very poor guess but its what i want to believe anyways
So someone else set up the hatch and all that good stuff and just decided to leave? I am still trying to understand how/when/why the hatch was built. Did Desmond start it a long time ago before he met Jack? By himself? Did someone else make it and abandon it in the 70's? Did Desmond just set it up with 70's stuff or what? I don't know, but I want to.

I also don't think that Desmond is a bad guy. I mean think about what happened. Someone blew open the door to his "home" and then just dropped in (literally) unannounced. Wouldn't you do what you had to to protect your home?

The thing that gets me is that he seemed pleased to see Jack ... If he was pleased to see him and he knows that Jack is not a bad man, why keep holding the gun to Locke's head? But it did end in a way that didn't end the situation. Maybe next week we'll see a softer Desmond, one that puts the gun down and welcomes Jack and his friends.

And we have no proof that Desmond did the mural. It might have been there before he came.

Ok...here are my thoughts on the Desmond dilemma. I truly believe "almost a doctor" is our key line here. For some reason, the movie Reanimator popped into my mind when I was watching last night. I think during Desmond's med school days he developed a formula which could either reanimate paralyzed people or have some control over a person's body or mind. He may have even been kicked out of school because he was either using ingredients or test subjects that the school banded or considered unethical (stem cell research or mental patients come to mind here). I also believe that whatever he has created may have some form of an accelerated aging process. In seeing him with Jack on the steps, he looks approximately the same age, but in what you could see of him behind Locke, he looks much older (more pronounced lines, looser jowls, some gray hair) and I would guess that not more than a few years passed between their original meeting. I believe that some form of government (ours, or some other country) saw his experiments and invested in them heavily, to the extent of furnishing him with the facilities and possible test subjects to conduct further experiments. I also think that maybe Ethan was something of a guard dog, if you will, to monitor any new subjects for prospective use in these experiments and to keep Desmond safe. And I found it interesting that he offered Jack his water bottle, which Jack drank out of several times, but Desmond never did that I was able to see. It could be some type of drug to determine a person's type which would be most helpful in his experiments. Everyone is there for a reason and many of the remaining main group have been labeled "special" or "different", which I also think is another significant clue.

Ok....thats enough of my rambling, lack of sleep thoughts....any ideas or thoughts?

Cool speculation. First thing that came to mind was Don't tell me what I can't do!!

Ethan as a guard dog fits with the writers description of him as feral.

Can you fit in Desmonds shirt into this theory?

Desmond's decal on his shirt, looks like the number 7 with a 0 before it??? (http://www.lost-theseries.com/screencaps.php?view=cap&ep=35&id=NONAME_011_000_039.jpg)
pik #2 (http://www.lost-theseries.com/screencaps.php?view=cap&ep=35&id=NONAME_011_000_037.jpg)
pik#3 (http://www.lost-theseries.com/screencaps.php?view=cap&ep=35&id=NONAME_011_000_041.jpg)
pik #4 (http://www.lost-theseries.com/screencaps.php?view=cap&ep=35&id=NONAME_011_000_078.jpg)

Locke's eyes widen but he remains silent to Jack's questions. "All roads lead here," Jack says, repeating Locke's words from EX2

Desmond says he was almost a doctor. Jack says "small world" **Understatement**

All roads lead to Desmond, he's the common denominator through his "almost a doctor" skills? The small world comment could be regarding what the island is?

Desmond said "self flagellation" Seems important??

dizzyIn Tai Chi, 108 symbolizes the harmony of Yin and Yang. The union of Yin and Yang would mean all is one. Perfect balance. There are no distinctions between, oh say, faith and science. The episode title "Man of science, man of faith" could be a clue in that direction. I always thought it was talking about Locke and Jack but maybe it is describing the balance betwen the two. A true man of faith and science hinted at by the number 108?

From this post I get that Desmond could be the one man that is a true combination of both??

From this post I get that Desmond could be the one man that is a true combination of both?? Desmond is definitely special! I'm thrilled with this new character!! :biggrin: I've already made a Desmond avi! It's on this page at the bottom. http://lost.briandonlevy.com/index02b.html

LOL I was expecting his mugshot.

The title "Man of science, man of faith" may not at all be about Locke and Jack.

In my view, and i just watched the premiere for the second time, Desmond seems to be that man of faith, as he encourages Jack on Sarah situation and mentions miracles happens.

Jack on the other hand, we know only trusts the physical, and believes only in the things he his mind can put into practical meaning. I guess thats why it also puts him off course with Locke, who is more esoterically inclined. Locke's agenda is Destiny...that means hes on a journey...good or bad.

The fact he first calls Jack brother, then Jack calls him it, he uses it when he says goodbye and finally back in Hatch he shouts it at Jack with Locke as hostage.

Desmond states:

- I was almost a doctor, once!
(once, like in medical school? or as a healer in the past, say like in a different life?)

- I'm in training for a race around the world.
(Not the race u imagine at first, maybe a race of others...)

- He says to Jack "See you in another life"
(Is the Island and plane crash this other life ?)

- He then says Lift it up...
(Thats obviously to give Jack a clue. He's basically telling Jack to elevate his mind,
then changes his mind and suggest ancle.)

Just some observations on my part.

"Lift it up" usually means pray about what ever it is that is bothering you. You lift it up to your god of choice and let go of trying to control the situation yourself. "Let go and let God." For a man of science like Jack, Desmond quickly changed his statement when he realized Jack was not going to acknowledge his reference to prayer and said, "ankle."

In some religions, those who share the same belief refer to themselves as brothers. In the outside world, Desmond seems more like a missionary than anything else. I don't know how that ties into his James Bond style abilities down in the hatch.

I don't think he's the first person to man that hatch, however. It could have been set up years ago and he's just the latest agent stationed there.

Cardie

Can you fit in Desmonds shirt into this theory?

Desmond's decal on his shirt, looks like the number 7 with a 0 before it??? (http://www.lost-theseries.com/screencaps.php?view=cap&ep=35&id=NONAME_011_000_039.jpg)
pik #2 (http://www.lost-theseries.com/screencaps.php?view=cap&ep=35&id=NONAME_011_000_037.jpg)
pik#3 (http://www.lost-theseries.com/screencaps.php?view=cap&ep=35&id=NONAME_011_000_041.jpg)
pik #4 (http://www.lost-theseries.com/screencaps.php?view=cap&ep=35&id=NONAME_011_000_078.jpg)

I blew this image up last night. I appears to be a two headed phoenix-looking thing with a drawn (?) pentagon around it (each angle of the pentagon 108 degrees):

http://sier.home.comcast.net/desmond_shirt.jpg

Hosting this myself. Please dont hotlink.

Maybe next week we'll see a softer Desmond, one that puts the gun down and welcomes Jack and his friends.



That would be nice, but I don't know, he kinda looked a little crazy to me like, ok finally their down here ha ha ha, like a little mad scientist or something.

like a little mad scientist or something.

thats exactly what I think he is...

LOL I was expecting his mugshot.LOL Do you think he's broken the law, Walt?

I blew this image up last night. I appears to be a two headed phoenix-looking thing with a drawn (?) pentagon around it (each angle of the pentagon 108 degrees):

http://sier.home.comcast.net/desmond_shirt.jpg

Hosting this myself. Please dont hotlink.
Did a quick Google search and found that this symbol was used by Midevil knights. See a replica of a shield from that period here: http://myweb.thump.net/640408/shield4.jpg

Could he be some how connected to the Knights Templar?!

Did a quick Google search and found that this symbol was used by Midevil knights. See a replica of a shield from that period here: http://myweb.thump.net/640408/shield4.jpg

Could he be some how connected to the Knights Templar?!

In answer to my own question (hehehehe), I found this:
>>Knights Templars who survived Roman Catholic persecution either went underground on the Continent or sought refuge in the British Isles where the Inquisition was resisted by King Edward I. Biagent and Leigh write:
"Scarcely had the Order of the Temple been destroyed than it arose again, phoenix-like, from the flames of its own pyre, to assume a new mythic guise. Within a quarter of a century of the Temple's dissolution, a spate of neo-Templar orders began to appear -- and would continue to do so for centuries afterwards." <<

I found this on a site regarding the Masons (http://watch.pair.com/MasonicPlan.html)

The computers and the vinyl records show us that he's been down there for a long time. I think they used those to show that to us.

What I want to know is that if he's quarentined down there, how does he get more of the stuff in the bottles? I don't think he'd make it himself as it wouldn't have those labels on the bottles. Was Ethan, perhaps, his outside connection?

jbdean: I don't think we can assume desmond has been down there a long time just because the technology and music are dated. Rather, the bunker has been around since the '70s and perhaps the person (or people) in the bunker have been rotated out, somewhat akin to how they rotate personnel on the space station. If that is the case, then it would be quite interesting if,


taken with the theory that one of the 48 lostaways has (or had) something to do with the island, the plane crash, the others, etc., one of the lostaways has been in the hatch, who has done what desmond is doing.

In answer to my own question (hehehehe), I found this:


>>Knights Templars who survived Roman Catholic persecution either went underground on the Continent or sought refuge in the British Isles where the Inquisition was resisted by King Edward I. Biagent and Leigh write:"Scarcely had the Order of the Temple been destroyed than it arose again, phoenix-like, from the flames of its own pyre, to assume a new mythic guise. Within a quarter of a century of the Temple's dissolution, a spate of neo-Templar orders began to appear -- and would continue to do so for centuries afterwards." <<



I found this on a site regarding the Masons (http://watch.pair.com/MasonicPlan.html)
Thank god someone is addressing this..haha. I have put it on 3 other threads and no one even commented on it. I think it certainly has something to do with something, just as much as the bagua does in the hatch. What is with the drawn on pentagon?

I should mention I started a thread for this paticular symbol here:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=19351

jbdean: I don't think we can assume desmond has been down there a long time just because the technology and music are dated. Rather, the bunker has been around since the '70s and perhaps the person (or people) in the bunker have been rotated out, somewhat akin to how they rotate personnel on the space station. If that is the case, then it would be quite interesting if,


taken with the theory that one of the 48 lostaways has (or had) something to do with the island, the plane crash, the others, etc., one of the lostaways has been in the hatch, who has done what desmond is doing.


You know, I thought of that after I posted but it's not that easy still to get around the board so I forgot to go back and update my speculation. But yes, those items can only lead us to believe that the bunker/bio dome has been around that long.

As for your theory ... I don't think I agree. I don't think that the crash is because of any of the survivors. But just where IS Rose's husband? And was he really in the bathroom or did he manage to get his parachute on just in time to jump when the rear of the plane was ripped off? Hmmmm ? I think just asking for a divorce would have been a lot easier! :24:

jbdean:

I know, I know -- the husband issue. Perhaps his powers are similar to Walt's and he knew what kind of island the plane would land on and what the lostaways would encounter...

At any rate, I refuse to believe the Desmond we saw in the hatch was the Desmond we saw in the stadium. While I'm new to this, it seems too simple to have only one Desmond.

Maybe his race around the world wasn't like a Tour de Stad -- maybe it got him somewhere. Or maybe, instead of racing other people or beating a timed record, he was being chased... But by what?

I think the title Man of Science Man of Faith may not only refer to Jack and Locke. Maybe Desmond is both a man of science and a man of faith. There were religious references in his conversation with Jack. And I think he's a scientist and may have transferred something to Jack when he touched him in the stadium.

I also think we saw two Desmonds in the hatch. One was clean, one dirty. There were bunk beds, and first Desmond slept on top. Maybe twins or clones. There were men on the Others' boat in the finale that looked like twins.

I think Desmond was traveling around the world finding people to draw to the island. I think he may have infected them with something that would respond to the numbers, draw them near the island and snatch them with some kind of strong magnetic field, or nanobots.

I think Desmond healed Sarah, Jack's patient/wife. I think he transferred something to Jack when he touched him, which he transferred to Sarah which healed her. The same mechanism healed Locke.

Maybe the injection Desmond gave himself, wasn't to protect himself from the infection on the island, but to give himself special powers, the same ones that healed Locke.

The infection on the island may be some mutation of the material in the injection, that was bad for people instead of good. It may have evolved on its own. It may have to do with nanobots.

I think that Ethan wanted to inject Claire while she was pregant, to either innoculate the baby, to protect it from the infection, OR to give the baby special powers.

Sorry, I didn't read the thread prior to posting. dzdconfsed, thanks for the info about the water bottle Desmond gave to Jack. I really need to see the episode again because I didn't remember that. I think he transferred something to Jack that way. (http://member.php/?u=6954)

Someone pointed out that in French, Desmond means "of worlds".

From Lost-Forum.com:''John DESMOND bernal wrote a book that describes LOST entitled . . . The World, the Flesh and the Devil: An Enquiry into the Future of the Three Enemies of the Rational Soul.". . . this guy has proposed creating a civilization in outer space in a sphere."

Connections Between Desmond and other Island Mysteries:

- Desmond stole Christian Shepard's body
- Christian is Desmond's roommate.(I still don't think 'White Rabbit' was a hallucination
- Desmond is one of the three whisperers(we only saw one bunkbed but there could still be another bed). I'm pretty sure we narrowed the whispers down to a man, a man, and a woman?

Connections Between Desmond and other Island Mysteries:

- Desmond stole Christian Shepard's body
- Christian is Desmond's roommate.(I still don't think 'White Rabbit' was a hallucination
- Desmond is one of the three whisperers(we only saw one bunkbed but there could still be another bed). I'm pretty sure we narrowed the whispers down to a man, a man, and a woman?

Nice one.


The other person could be Ana Lucia


Maybe Desmond's injection gives him temporary invisibility, and he's been among the lostaways the whole time?

jbdean:

I know, I know -- the husband issue. Perhaps his powers are similar to Walt's and he knew what kind of island the plane would land on and what the lostaways would encounter...

At any rate, I refuse to believe the Desmond we saw in the hatch was the Desmond we saw in the stadium. While I'm new to this, it seems too simple to have only one Desmond.

Maybe his race around the world wasn't like a Tour de Stad -- maybe it got him somewhere. Or maybe, instead of racing other people or beating a timed record, he was being chased... But by what?
No, trust me (and the others that have been here a long time), it's Desmond. That's just one thing that's so cool about LOST, the tie-ins and call backs. If this was not the same Desmond, we wouldn't have seen him first in Jack's flashback. And there's the fact that they both recognized each other.

Welcome to the wonderful world of LOST!! :biggrin:

I think the title Man of Science Man of Faith may not only refer to Jack and Locke. Maybe Desmond is both a man of science and a man of faith. There were religious references in his conversation with Jack. And I think he's a scientist and may have transferred something to Jack when he touched him in the stadium.

I also think we saw two Desmonds in the hatch. One was clean, one dirty. There were bunk beds, and first Desmond slept on top. Maybe twins or clones. There were men on the Others' boat in the finale that looked like twins.

I think Desmond was traveling around the world finding people to draw to the island. I think he may have infected them with something that would respond to the numbers, draw them near the island and snatch them with some kind of strong magnetic field, or nanobots.

I think Desmond healed Sarah, Jack's patient/wife. I think he transferred something to Jack when he touched him, which he transferred to Sarah which healed her. The same mechanism healed Locke.

Maybe the injection Desmond gave himself, wasn't to protect himself from the infection on the island, but to give himself special powers, the same ones that healed Locke.

The infection on the island may be some mutation of the material in the injection, that was bad for people instead of good. It may have evolved on its own. It may have to do with nanobots.

I think that Ethan wanted to inject Claire while she was pregant, to either innoculate the baby, to protect it from the infection, OR to give the baby special powers.

Sorry, I didn't read the thread prior to posting. dzdconfsed, thanks for the info about the water bottle Desmond gave to Jack. I really need to see the episode again because I didn't remember that. I think he transferred something to Jack that way. (http://member.php/?u=6954)

Someone pointed out that in French, Desmond means "of worlds".

From Lost-Forum.com:''John DESMOND bernal wrote a book that describes LOST entitled . . . The World, the Flesh and the Devil: An Enquiry into the Future of the Three Enemies of the Rational Soul.". . . this guy has proposed creating a civilization in outer space in a sphere."
That's some pretty involved speculation, rebopper but I don't agree with the part about him infecting Jack or the others with something that would lead them to the numbers. Passengers infected wouldn't affect the plane. But I do think that Desmond's computers may have had something to do with the radio going out and getting them off course.

That's also very interesting about John Desmond Bernal. I had seen a link for him but passed on it. I guess I should have! LOL

Connections Between Desmond and other Island Mysteries:

- Desmond stole Christian Shepard's body
- Christian is Desmond's roommate.(I still don't think 'White Rabbit' was a hallucination
- Desmond is one of the three whisperers(we only saw one bunkbed but there could still be another bed). I'm pretty sure we narrowed the whispers down to a man, a man, and a woman?
We don't have any proof that Desmond stole Christian's body but I do agree that the sightings were not hallucinations or visions.

In one capture I saw on www.lost-theseries.com (http://www.lost-theseries.com/screencaps/201/NONAME_007_000_038.jpg), there's an image that looks like someone or an animal sitting in the door way by what looks like a sofa. While it doesn't look human, anyone care to speculate if it is an animal?

I personally think the whispers sound like women. But maybe they sound like the gender that is hearing them ... ?

Nice one.


The other person could be Ana Lucia


Maybe Desmond's injection gives him temporary invisibility, and he's been among the lostaways the whole time?
Now Walt, remember that the writers have told us several times that everything that happens can be explained. :smile:

We don't have any proof that Desmond stole Christian's body but I do agree that the sightings were not hallucinations or visions.

In one capture I saw on www.lost-theseries.com (http://www.lost-theseries.com) (http://www.lost-theseries.com/screencaps/201/NONAME_007_000_038.jpg), there's an image that looks like someone or an animal sitting in the door way by what looks like a sofa. While it doesn't look human, anyone care to speculate if it is an animal?

I personally think the whispers sound like women. But maybe they sound like the gender that is hearing them ... ?

I just looked and I don't have it, but I've seen it. On the floor to the right of the couch is a statue (reminds me of the cigar shop indian statues).

rebopper: I believe you stated it(I'm to lazy to look around and quote tonight :p) that Desmond meant of worlds in french. Well,(and I know, I've said this a billion time here) in christianity Desmond means "man of god". Also, someone said earlier that Desmond said "The devil's chasing you" He actually said,"Why are you running like the devil's chasing you." It is a term used by the Irish obviously stating running as if death was about to reach you. So, he's a very christian man(man of faith) the computer room he was in, made of buckyball shaped windows, buckyballs are scientific item(man of science) I truly believe that this was titled for Desmond and not Locke and Jack.

Has Desmond only been seen by just Jack? Maybe there's a Desmond in other people's backround. Desmond probably met some other of the survivors ya know? Desmond is there for a reason, the survivors of the crash are there for a reason, well...WHAT THE HELL IS THE REASON!!!! I must know!!! Lol, excuse that last part. Reffering to the bunk-bed theory, maybe it's Nadia? As stated before, Nadia said to Sayid "See you in another life." These lines are very special!

ETA: I thoink i spelled bucky ball wrong, somone correct me if I'm wrong :)

One thing that I haven't seen discussed yet is the possibility that Jack is not the only person that has interacted with Desmond in the past. I have very little doubt that Desmond is responsible for everyone being on the island. The character of Jack was originally supposed to die in the pilot, so I don't think that he would be the only one connected to Desmond. I expect to see Desmond appearing in many more character's flashbacks in upcoming episodes.

On that note, I also think that Desmond was not a physical being when Jack saw him in the stadium. I believe that he is was made into some superpsychic by the government, or was born that way and became too dangerous, so the government shipped him off to the island. I believe that he projected himself to Jack, and that he was one of the first of the Lost to be contacted. When Desmond said that he was training for a race around the world, I believe he meant that he was preparing his mind for projecting to Australia, England, Iraq, Korea.

And for the big question, why did he bring all of these people to the island? Well, that's a toughie.

Slinger, you might not've read my last post, but I also mentioned about Desmond meeting other lostaways ;)

Lost-lotr,
Maybe you could help me out? I am a big fan of Lost, but I am not as up on the trivia or as observant as most of y'all. (I am from the south.) I have seen mention of "twins" on several threads, but I cannot figure out what they are talking about. Please educate me or refresh my memory.

lonegun: Hope this clears it up for ya ;)



Interesting email I've received from Eric earlier today. I can't verify. Believe or not. But in any case, it's interesting.


Email from Eric:

I recently found an interesting natuarlly occuring thoery found in our world that states everyone has a mirror image somewhere in the world. You may have heard of this. Its called Roussau's genetic mirror theory, and I must say it is very interesting. Roussau's genetic mirror theory says that everyone in the world has an exact twin somewhere, however according to the theory you never encounter this person, by laws of probablitly and other natuaral occuring phemnomen. Its the theory that was devised by a French Mathematician named Marseille Roussau in the year 1988. He used a series of numbers to explain his theory. Now I know you're not going to believe this but here goes.

4 8 15 16 23 42

Let me explain...

The 4 stands for 4 degrees of separation 'not 6 or 7 as commonly stated.) Roussau believed that everyone in the world was connected by four different people. So in theory could meet yourself by using four different people connected to you. Example: Your brother's, boss's, neighbor nephew, knows your mirror. Hard to believe, I know but keep reading.

The 8 stands for the eight continent, or the only place in the world where you could meet your mirror. He calculated it to be somewhere in the south pacific. Now we know its not actually as large as the other contintents but its used figurtively because everyone in all 7 continents could meet there mirror on the 8th universal continent.

The 15 stands for the chances of you acually meeting yourself on this place, as in 15 out of 4,815,162,342. Look at the second set "815." Ring any bells? Interesting huh?

The 16 stands for the maximum amount of people that could encounter thier twin all at the same time. Think about the number of main characters.

The 23 is the number of years apart your twin and yourself are. You are not the same age as your twin. By chance and probablity it takes 23 years exactly for the same genes that made you to be connected again to form another you.

The 42 stands for the maximimum number of years your twin and yourself can be alive at the same time. However people do die at diffferent times so thats why everyone isn't dead at 75. For example my twin was born on Sept. 6 2003 b/c i was born on Spet. 6 1980. Now that doesn't mean i will die in the year 2045, I could, but its not set in stone. My twin could die when he is 16, and then the whole thing starts over again.

This is all very complicated and I don't know how well I explained it but the connections with the show are too coinidental to not be real.

Roussau and his team 'wife, included) went to the 8th continent. You can figure out how they died and why by the numbers and equations. It also fits with every character. You can predict when they will die. There are others on the island who are twins of the survivors, but have been there 23 years longer.

There is a book Roussau wrote 16 years ago in 1988 when he came up with the theory. Thats where I got it from.

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source: http://www.livejournal.com/users/theizzy/157121.html#cutid1

rebopper: I believe you stated it(I'm to lazy to look around and quote tonight :p) that Desmond meant of worlds in french. Well,(and I know, I've said this a billion time here) in christianity Desmond means "man of god". Also, someone said earlier that Desmond said "The devil's chasing you" He actually said,"Why are you running like the devil's chasing you." It is a term used by the Irish obviously stating running as if death was about to reach you. So, he's a very christian man(man of faith) the computer room he was in, made of buckyball shaped windows, buckyballs are scientific item(man of science) I truly believe that this was titled for Desmond and not Locke and Jack.

Has Desmond only been seen by just Jack? Maybe there's a Desmond in other people's backround. Desmond probably met some other of the survivors ya know? Desmond is there for a reason, the survivors of the crash are there for a reason, well...WHAT THE HELL IS THE REASON!!!! I must know!!! Lol, excuse that last part. Reffering to the bunk-bed theory, maybe it's Nadia? As stated before, Nadia said to Sayid "See you in another life." These lines are very special!

ETA: I thoink i spelled bucky ball wrong, somone correct me if I'm wrong :)
The shape of the doorways are most likely for structural reasons. Arched doorways support weight much better than flat frames. He has about 40-50 feet of earth & rock on top of him. He would need a very strong structure to withstand that pressure.

lost-lotr, I have never seen this theory! I love it!

OT, I have actually seen my twin 3 times. Three different ones that is. The first one I saw while watching a football game on TV. She was in the bleechers. The second I saw in a magazine, the pix was taken in the 1920s! And the last one I recently saw in a photo online. I actually also had a friend that said she saw my twin crossing a street one day in the very town where I lived (though I never ran into her and my friend never saw her again). She said the woman looked so much like me, crossing right in front of her car in the crosswalk, that she honked and waved at her.

wow, jb, that's really cool!

Ok, I will put my 2 cents in.

I have read that, where was Desmond when Jack was running in the stadium? I slowed down the scene where he was running and noticed some strange stuff. The section above has a plastic guard seperating the upper section from the lower. When they are zoomed out before Desmond appears there are two white flashes on that plastic guard. The angle that the camera was pointing at would have show imagaes to the left of Jack, off screen. My computer is currently seperating every frame from the episode, so when that is done I will post pics. Oh yea they will be clear pics it is HR.HDTV.

Second, what if Danielle was his room mate or wife. I was watching the first season with my parents and picked up on some new connections. The distress call that she made said that "the Others were dead". Now if if I was making a distress call like that I would say my crew or team was dead, not the others. She might have steped out of the hatch and was taken by the others or whatever. She then escaped and found a radio and was trying to contact Desmond on the inside to let her back in. Plus if she got there by boat and the boat went aground, where is her boat.

Finally, Locke seems to be pretty calm in what is going on, like he knows something. Now once again, from the first episodes, Locke likes to play backgammon and knows alot about it. Since it is a two player game and Locke seems to like it and it is sitting on the table, mabey Desmond has been either expecting him, or (i am really going out on a limb) they have been playing before.

Now this is a little off topic but, once again watched the first couple of episodes and made more conections. When they first crashed and Jack wanted to find the cockpit, Kate said that she saw black smoke coming from the jungle in the valley. Could that be the same black smoke as Danielle has told them about.

Like I said these are my theories and do with them what you want. I will get the pics up as soon as I can.

The black smoke in the valley could of been from the plane crash's fire

Ok, I will put my 2 cents in.

I have read that, where was Desmond when Jack was running in the stadium? I slowed down the scene where he was running and noticed some strange stuff. The section above has a plastic guard seperating the upper section from the lower. When they are zoomed out before Desmond appears there are two white flashes on that plastic guard. The angle that the camera was pointing at would have show imagaes to the left of Jack, off screen. My computer is currently seperating every frame from the episode, so when that is done I will post pics. Oh yea they will be clear pics it is HR.HDTV.

Second, what if Danielle was his room mate or wife. I was watching the first season with my parents and picked up on some new connections. The distress call that she made said that "the Others were dead". Now if if I was making a distress call like that I would say my crew or team was dead, not the others. She might have steped out of the hatch and was taken by the others or whatever. She then escaped and found a radio and was trying to contact Desmond on the inside to let her back in. Plus if she got there by boat and the boat went aground, where is her boat.

Finally, Locke seems to be pretty calm in what is going on, like he knows something. Now once again, from the first episodes, Locke likes to play backgammon and knows alot about it. Since it is a two player game and Locke seems to like it and it is sitting on the table, mabey Desmond has been either expecting him, or (i am really going out on a limb) they have been playing before.

Now this is a little off topic but, once again watched the first couple of episodes and made more conections. When they first crashed and Jack wanted to find the cockpit, Kate said that she saw black smoke coming from the jungle in the valley. Could that be the same black smoke as Danielle has told them about.

Like I said these are my theories and do with them what you want. I will get the pics up as soon as I can.
mostsleek, where did you see the bakgammon game?

I saw the board and the cup on the table where Desmond got the bowl. You will see it on the center of the table, there is some other stuff on the table but you do see the board and cup. I will post pics, as of right now I am at picture 13577 of 60000

I saw the board and the cup on the table where Desmond got the bowl. You will see it on the center of the table, there is some other stuff on the table but you do see the board and cup. I will post pics, as of right now I am at picture 13577 of 60000
I really tried to see what was in the center of the table. All I could make out was the placematt in the center and another coffee cup behind it to the right. I look forward to your pix! :biggrin:

Oh, I just thought of this ... remember Locke told Walt there are two sides ... light and dark? And the mirror theory is being played up for this eppy so, maybe Desmond is the dark to Locke's light? They are both there on the island (maybe Desmond is also doing the island's bidding or thinks he is as Locke is) and both brought to the hatch. Maybe they are connected and we've been thrown off because Jack met Desmond previously.

Here is the picture of the table with the backgammon on the table, it appears to be in mid game. http://www.cirial.com/upload/files/6/Table.jpg

I am still waiting on the image of the stadium, the latest image is of when Jacks dad is telling him how to tell the bad news with spec of hope for the patient.

If anyone needs anyother pictures of the episode, they should be done by the morning, just post what you want to see. The pics that I post here are compressed because of the file size limits on my uploader. If you want I can send the full size image via email or what not, most of the images are about 1.5Mb each.

Here is the picture of the table with the backgammon on the table, it appears to be in mid game. http://www.cirial.com/upload/files/6/Table.jpg

If anyone needs anyother pictures of the episode, they should be done by the morning, just post what you want to see. The pics that I post here are compressed because of the file size limits on my uploader. If you want I can send the full size image via email or what not, most of the images are about 1.5Mb each.
WOW! That is awesome clarity! :biggrin: Damn VCRs! LOL

Anyway, I don't think Desmond was playing with anyone ... notce the case is sitting flush up against the other side of the board? No room for an opponet to play. But it is VERY interesting that he has a backgammon game and Locke has one (or found one). We already know that Locke likes to play games (we saw that at his job). I think I'm seeing more and more of a connection between Desmond and Locke than Jack and Desmond.

Thanks! Very, very nice cappy!!

I really tried to see what was in the center of the table. All I could make out was the placematt in the center and another coffee cup behind it to the right. I look forward to your pix! :biggrin:

Oh, I just thought of this ... remember Locke told Walt there are two sides ... light and dark? And the mirror theory is being played up for this eppy so, maybe Desmond is the dark to Locke's light? They are both there on the island (maybe Desmond is also doing the island's bidding or thinks he is as Locke is) and both brought to the hatch. Maybe they are connected and we've been thrown off because Jack met Desmond previously.

Thats what I thought as well, when Locke told Walt about the light and dark there was like a 5 sec stop in the dialog after he said that. After watching the first 4 episodes alot of questions have been answered but even more brought up. It really amazing what little details you missed. Like when Kate takes the dead person boots, they made such a point in showing that, why? Cause you see them again in Desmonds apartment.

Thats what I thought as well, when Locke told Walt about the light and dark there was like a 5 sec stop in the dialog after he said that. After watching the first 4 episodes alot of questions have been answered but even more brought up. It really amazing what little details you missed. Like when Kate takes the dead person boots, they made such a point in showing that, why? Cause you see them again in Desmonds apartment.
Wait. How can the boots Desmond was wearing be those boots? Kate took those boots to wear. The boots we see her in now are those boots. She didn't have any before that.

Wait. How can the boots Desmond was wearing be those boots? Kate took those boots to wear. The boots we see her in now are those boots. She didn't have any before that.

Not from the begining, but at the end there is a pair of boots on the floor. I do belive that they would be Kates that she took, I am not there yet in the pictures but when I get there I will look at it in more detail, and post them.

Many of us have been discussing whether the guy in the beginning of the ep is Desmond. Here is a composite comparing the eye at the beginning of the show and Desmond's eye at the end. Do you think it's the same eye????:undecide: Photos originated from lost-media.com.

http://img327.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eyeshaveit9ld.jpg

Many of us have been discussing whether the guy in the beginning of the ep is Desmond. Here is a composite comparing the eye at the beginning of the show and Desmond's eye at the end. Do you think it's the same eye????:undecide: Photos originated from lost-media.com.

http://img327.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eyeshaveit9ld.jpg

Yea I thought, and still thinking that. When the pictures finish, there are several sshots where you see half or a quarter of his face. I will compare these pics and see if they are all the same person.

Many of us have been discussing whether the guy in the beginning of the ep is Desmond. Here is a composite comparing the eye at the beginning of the show and Desmond's eye at the end. Do you think it's the same eye????:undecide: Photos originated from lost-media.com.

http://img327.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eyeshaveit9ld.jpg

No, I think the left one looks like Jack's and the right one Desmond's?

Many of us have been discussing whether the guy in the beginning of the ep is Desmond. Here is a composite comparing the eye at the beginning of the show and Desmond's eye at the end. Do you think it's the same eye????:undecide: Photos originated from lost-media.com.

http://img327.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eyeshaveit9ld.jpg

When the show first started I thought that the beeping noise was from an EKG, and was thinking this is Jack.

I don't think that Desmond was the man in the shower because the man who was holding the gun to Locke's head had really dirty hands.
I also was wondering if we really know that the sound in the hatch while the hatch-dweller was shooting medicine in his arm was in real time. Is it possible that the sound he heard was the explosion of Art and that he was the one who was pulling Locke down the hole. That way, when Kate did go down he was more prepared and knew they were coming. That's why he put the light on and then off and then on again.

:confused: I was wondering if it was Jack's eye at the beginning of the ep also (in light of the 2 Jack script on oceanicflight.815.com), so here is a comparison of the beginning eye with Jack's eye. (Jack's eye is on the right)(Photos originated from lost-media.com).
http://[img=http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5448/jackseyecompare8tm.th.jpg] (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jackseyecompare8tm.jpg)
From all that I've seen, I think the guy at the beginning was Desmond, I think that's what I think, anyway....

In watching (and re-watching) the beginning scene, I think it flowed from hearing the explosion to his adjusting the mirrors, to seeing Locke looking down the hatch. I think there was at least 2 hours between the time that the hatch blew (Desmond had clean hands) and the time Desmond was holding a gun to Locke's head (with dirty hands). I think Desmond could have got his hands dirty messing in the tunnel to blown hatch, or he could have been contaminated when the hatch blew, making him sick and crazy. But who knows? It is fun trying to figure it out!:smile:

Not from the begining, but at the end there is a pair of boots on the floor. I do belive that they would be Kates that she took, I am not there yet in the pictures but when I get there I will look at it in more detail, and post them.
You mean at the end after Kate's been taken and Jack is down there looking for her?

Many of us have been discussing whether the guy in the beginning of the ep is Desmond. Here is a composite comparing the eye at the beginning of the show and Desmond's eye at the end. Do you think it's the same eye????:undecide: Photos originated from lost-media.com.

http://img327.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eyeshaveit9ld.jpg
Of course it's Desmond. He hears the computer pinging and wakes up startled because, it seems, he has to do something on the computer quickly ... I think the computer pinging was telling him something had to be done ... or was he replying to someone's message? But yes, those are his eyes. You can check out his official webpage and see great shots of his eyes to compare even more.

www.henryiancusick.com

I think Desmond has his hands dirty because he had to capture Kate in the mud down below the hatch tunnel, and probably had to do the same thing with Locke (even if i never saw him fighting anyone)

You mean at the end after Kate's been taken and Jack is down there looking for her?

Correct

Correct
Yup, got to agree on that one. I'm sure Kate gave him a good fight, too.

Well I just did a Google search on"desmond" and a very intresting person came up, Desmond Morris. http://www.desmond-morris.com/ Some intresting thing would include world wide travel, including numerous trips around the world. The study of Human Nature and Dog breeds. He also paints, alot. Some of the painting names incude; The Last Game, The Experimeter, The Visitor, The Intruder, The Survivors, Landscape with Watchers. He also wrote books: "Introducing Curious Creatures", "The Human Zoo", "Inmate Behavior", "People Watching".

Of course it's Desmond. He hears the computer pinging and wakes up startled because, it seems, he has to do something on the computer quickly ... I think the computer pinging was telling him something had to be done ... or was he replying to someone's message? But yes, those are his eyes. You can check out his official webpage and see great shots of his eyes to compare even more.

www.henryiancusick.com (http://www.henryiancusick.com)
Thanks for the website on Henry Ian Cusick, it certainly puts to bed the issue of whether it was Desmond in the beginning of the ep. Now we just have to figure out why his temperment and appearance changed so much in 2 hours. Do you think he might have been "contaminated" when the hatch opened?

Well I just did a Google search on"desmond" and a very intresting person came up, Desmond Morris. http://www.desmond-morris.com/ Some intresting thing would include world wide travel, including numerous trips around the world. The study of Human Nature and Dog breeds. He also paints, alot. Some of the painting names incude; The Last Game, The Experimeter, The Visitor, The Intruder, The Survivors, Landscape with Watchers. He also wrote books: "Introducing Curious Creatures", "The Human Zoo", "Inmate Behavior", "People Watching".

Interesting fellow. I was hoping that the mural would be among his paintings, oh well! :ohwell:

Interesting fellow. I was hoping that the mural would be among his paintings, oh well! :ohwell:

So did I. I am not any kind of art person but the paintings do seem to be the same kind of no rhyme or reason to them and very abstract.

If you look carefully when he uses the keyboard, you can clearly see that he is typing:

"4 8 15 16 23 42" (with spaces) and then hits "execute" :cool:

So, what can we conclude of that?

Maybe the computer (or someone out there) is pinging him for identification and he identifies himself as being, let's say : "experiment 4 8 15 16 23 42" still alive and responding

Think it fits correctly with something that was previously said in this (I think) thread:

Him, being one of several experiments running in another places and with a serie of numbers identifying it ( which we can find on the serum, the underground facility, the broadcasted radio signal allowing gvt or whatever to locate it)

He may be a cobaye or a scientist. we don't know yet.

What is really strange is the "Biosphere 2" look of its underground facility... Why would he need a glass dome (the control room) underground? Well, there seems to be some open space outside the dome, maybe big (giant cave? underground world?)...
Maybe here lies the reasons for the experiment. This island has to be special.. before the experiment... otherwise it would have been simpler to build the lab (if it is one) down under mojave desert...

what do you think?

I definitely think the island has always been special, and that's what drew experimenters. Then the island specialness made their experiment go very wrong.

Cardie

Well I just did a Google search on"desmond" and a very intresting person came up, Desmond Morris. http://www.desmond-morris.com/ Some intresting thing would include world wide travel, including numerous trips around the world. The study of Human Nature and Dog breeds. He also paints, alot. Some of the painting names incude; The Last Game, The Experimeter, The Visitor, The Intruder, The Survivors, Landscape with Watchers. He also wrote books: "Introducing Curious Creatures", "The Human Zoo", "Inmate Behavior", "People Watching".
Yeah, I saw that site and agree.

Here are some links that I found on Google that might play into this Desmond.

http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/dbagley.htm
http://rspas.anu.edu.au/people/personal/balld_sdsc.php
http://www.desmond-morris.com/
http://www.klast.net/bond/q.html
http://www.desmondcrisis.com/
http://www.stanford.edu/group/DesmondLab/
http://www.crimetime.co.uk/profiles/desmondbagley.php

I don't think that Desmond was the man in the shower because the man who was holding the gun to Locke's head had really dirty hands.
I also was wondering if we really know that the sound in the hatch while the hatch-dweller was shooting medicine in his arm was in real time. Is it possible that the sound he heard was the explosion of Art and that he was the one who was pulling Locke down the hole. That way, when Kate did go down he was more prepared and knew they were coming. That's why he put the light on and then off and then on again.
The explosion was the hatch because you see dust falling from the ceiling, showing the hatch is overhead. It's no where near when Artz was killed and being 40-50 feet above ground, Artz's death would not have rocked the ground that far below.

The man in the shower is Desmond. His hands are dirty when we see him with Locke because he had previously gotten Kate and who know what kind of a struggle that was.

Thanks for the website on Henry Ian Cusick, it certainly puts to bed the issue of whether it was Desmond in the beginning of the ep. Now we just have to figure out why his temperment and appearance changed so much in 2 hours. Do you think he might have been "contaminated" when the hatch opened?
I thought that link to his official site would help. :smile:

I think that his temperment changed so drastically because he's a man that's guarding something and when all is calm he's just a normal person but when under attack, he goes into stealth mode and gets fierce. Like a good soldier he can switch back and forth as need be.

If you look carefully when he uses the keyboard, you can clearly see that he is typing:

"4 8 15 16 23 42" (with spaces) and then hits "execute" :cool:

So, what can we conclude of that?

Maybe the computer (or someone out there) is pinging him for identification and he identifies himself as being, let's say : "experiment 4 8 15 16 23 42" still alive and responding
I'm just not seeing that he's typing those numbers. He clearly does not only type in the number's row so how are people getting that he's typing in the numbers?

Desomond does indeed seem to be typing the numbers into the computer before hitting the EXECUTE key.

Here are some screen caps:

We don't see what key he hits first, then spacebar, but we do see that his next key could very well be the 8...
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=key82vu.jpg

Spacebar then the 1 and 5 keys...
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=key1a2xg.jpg
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=key55hl.jpg

Spacebar then the 1 and 6 keys...
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=key1b8sa.jpg
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=key63jv.jpg

Spacebar then the 2 key...
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=key22oz.jpg

Which we will have to assume would be followed by the 3 key, spacebar, then the 4 and 2 keys before he hits the EXECUTE key.
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=execute9wx.jpg

If you get a chance to watch it again, try to follow it closely.

Been reading all the various theories about Desmond and can't help thinking that they are
all wrong. We are getting thrown off track ... maybe intentionally.

We need to remember that many of the events taking place in the lives of the survivors are just too damn weird for there to be any government/coldwar/science experiment etc.

Hurley's numbers, the meteorite, claire told she must go on that plane, Walts mysterious powers and dozens of other things. This leads me to consider more "weird" ideas .... alien, supernatural, divine .... ? In short, "the island" has been bringing this group of people together for a long, long time. Desmonds role in it beats me though.

The only way the theories on much of this thread can be true is if we have a situation like in the film "Jacob's Ladder". Everyone is living in a drug/disease induced fantasy somewhere between life and death ... or who knows what.

i think the eyes are not of the same person, and, as a matter of fact, i think that desmond is not the same guy of the initial shot. my theory: what if desmond is actually a survivor of the tail section? what if in the part we have not seen as yet we found that jack and desmond met again before the flight or actually that they were in the same flight? and the YOU of surprise is about the surprise that he's still alive!
assume that desmond was safe, and exploring the island, then found the open hatch, enter into it, found locke and as soon as he seen jack arriving decided to held locke as 'safety' in order not to get shot. remain the question: where is and who is the man on the hatch then? the speculations over the virus could make sense and we may assume that the subterranean space is much bigger and because the man does not want to be infected, he decide to move towards other rooms of the quarters in order to escape the approaching party (there was a part of the room which seems recently cemented, or something, wasn't it?)

Desomond does indeed seem to be typing the numbers into the computer before hitting the EXECUTE key.

Here are some screen caps:

We don't see what key he hits first, then spacebar, but we do see that his next key could very well be the 8...
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=key82vu.jpg

Spacebar then the 1 and 5 keys...
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=key1a2xg.jpg
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=key55hl.jpg

Spacebar then the 1 and 6 keys...
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=key1b8sa.jpg
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=key63jv.jpg

Spacebar then the 2 key...
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=key22oz.jpg

Which we will have to assume would be followed by the 4 key, spacebar, then the 4 and 2 keys before he hits the EXECUTE key.
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=execute9wx.jpg

If you get a chance to watch it again, try to follow it closely.
LOL, I don't even remember seeing it close up like that! All I recall is seeing the overhead shot where he types in the rows with letters. So, does this mean that the numbers are maybe his log in password and then he typed a message? Anyway you can see what he typed from the overhead shot?

Oh and on that cap that you said was the number 5 key, it's the number 4 key. You can count in and see that the fourth key is being depressed.

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i think the eyes are not of the same person, and, as a matter of fact, i think that desmond is not the same guy of the initial shot. my theory: what if desmond is actually a survivor of the tail section? what if in the part we have not seen as yet we found that jack and desmond met again before the flight or actually that they were in the same flight? and the YOU of surprise is about the surprise that he's still alive!
assume that desmond was safe, and exploring the island, then found the open hatch, enter into it, found locke and as soon as he seen jack arriving decided to held locke as 'safety' in order not to get shot. remain the question: where is and who is the man on the hatch then? the speculations over the virus could make sense and we may assume that the subterranean space is much bigger and because the man does not want to be infected, he decide to move towards other rooms of the quarters in order to escape the approaching party (there was a part of the room which seems recently cemented, or something, wasn't it?)

There isn't much we can be sure of in Lost, but I'm pretty sure that the dude in the beginning is Desmond. Here is his website http://www.henryiancusick.com. He has pictures of himself that from the premier ep on the site, and the pics include the beginning man.;)

Been reading all the various theories about Desmond and can't help thinking that they are
all wrong. We are getting thrown off track ... maybe intentionally.

We need to remember that many of the events taking place in the lives of the survivors are just too damn weird for there to be any government/coldwar/science experiment etc.

Hurley's numbers, the meteorite, claire told she must go on that plane, Walts mysterious powers and dozens of other things. This leads me to consider more "weird" ideas .... alien, supernatural, divine .... ? In short, "the island" has been bringing this group of people together for a long, long time. Desmonds role in it beats me though.

The only way the theories on much of this thread can be true is if we have a situation like in the film "Jacob's Ladder". Everyone is living in a drug/disease induced fantasy somewhere between life and death ... or who knows what.

Well, first Hurley's numbers aren't that weird. The guy he got them from had been on an ocean voyage and heard them on the ship's radio. He probably heard them coming from Desmond or someone else on the island and THEN Hurley gets them, not the other way around. And who's to know if these things that happened to Hurley after he won the lottery weren't just coincdences? I mean, why would whoever kill his dad? And natural disasters happen ... even those that come down from space. ;)

As for Claire, we don't know if her fortune teller wasn't in on the whole thing now do we? And maybe her friend was in on it, too. Maybe that's the real reason her boyfriend left her because he didn't want to be involved (or was told to leave her so that she'd be on her own).

Walt does seem to have special powers but he might just be very intuitive. Like Locke told Michael, he's been through more than most adults.

And Locke's walking again has still not been proven to be a miracle because we still don't know how he got into the wheelchair.

I am all for going with the Island being some mystical place but the addition of Desmond takes me off to more logical theories. After all, would a magical island need a mere human to run a computer base 50 feet underground?

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i think the eyes are not of the same person, and, as a matter of fact, i think that desmond is not the same guy of the initial shot. my theory: what if desmond is actually a survivor of the tail section? what if in the part we have not seen as yet we found that jack and desmond met again before the flight or actually that they were in the same flight? and the YOU of surprise is about the surprise that he's still alive!
assume that desmond was safe, and exploring the island, then found the open hatch, enter into it, found locke and as soon as he seen jack arriving decided to held locke as 'safety' in order not to get shot. remain the question: where is and who is the man on the hatch then? the speculations over the virus could make sense and we may assume that the subterranean space is much bigger and because the man does not want to be infected, he decide to move towards other rooms of the quarters in order to escape the approaching party (there was a part of the room which seems recently cemented, or something, wasn't it?)
Hi lucaborg, The man in the hatch, from beginning to end, is Desmond. Check out his official site to see what he looks like and you'll see that they are the same person. www.harryiancusick.com

And the fact that Desmond uses the numbers on the computer and they are on the stuff he injects into his arm, shows that he's not a survivor of the crash but has another purpose for being there.

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Also, don't you think that someone else would be listed in the cast? This is required by the SAG, is it not? It's Henry Ian Cusick in every shot.

Also, don't you think that someone else would be listed in the cast? This is required by the SAG, is it not? It's Henry Ian Cusick in every shot.
Yep! That's a fact (unless they're an extra becasue they have no lines). But it's him. :biggrin:

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SHAMLESS PLUG: Desmond Clan Ship - http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=19504

i think the eyes are not of the same person, and, as a matter of fact, i think that desmond is not the same guy of the initial shot. my theory: what if desmond is actually a survivor of the tail section? what if in the part we have not seen as yet we found that jack and desmond met again before the flight or actually that they were in the same flight? and the YOU of surprise is about the surprise that he's still alive!
assume that desmond was safe, and exploring the island, then found the open hatch, enter into it, found locke and as soon as he seen jack arriving decided to held locke as 'safety' in order not to get shot. remain the question: where is and who is the man on the hatch then? the speculations over the virus could make sense and we may assume that the subterranean space is much bigger and because the man does not want to be infected, he decide to move towards other rooms of the quarters in order to escape the approaching party (there was a part of the room which seems recently cemented, or something, wasn't it?)
ok, this theory rea