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durikaj

09-23-2005, 09:37 AM

Let’s see... water/ocean waves, 5 or 6 fish, stick figures (I count 13 on the top left and a couple more at the bottom), a big sun with 108 in the middle (all the numbers do add up to 108), another 108, 2 houses, a white face and a black face, a big arrow pointing to.. the ocean?, “OUT”, an eye, 42, “SICK” (Does it say “I’m sick”? I see an M maybe - Oh, “eye” “M” “SICK”), tick marks.. marking off days? (There’s at least 30 of them), and.. I can’t make out what’s in the top right corner.

Has anyone taken notcie of the SNAKE figure in the upper right portion of the mural?

Also, if you look at the three spherical shapes in the mural, they kind of look like the sun (with the 108 in the middle), the earth (above and overlapping the sun), and the moon (near the bottom and with the arrow coming out of it).

And, if you look at the bottom right hand side of the mural, it looks like there is a thumb. Almost as if a hand were holding onto this picture.

Not sure what it all means, but alot of it seems to indicate some sort of "creation" theme (woman, snake, sun, moon, earth, fish, etc), at least until you start looking at things like houses and such.

Like I said, don't really know what it all means, but with the brain power on this board, I'm sure we can come up with something!

elfdream

09-23-2005, 11:50 AM

Someone was trying to 'create' a new society...and something went terribly wrong?

jbdean

09-23-2005, 12:56 PM

Okay, I saw someone say "Adam and Eve" possibly in the picture... were you referring to the two up top? Because not a lot of people seem to realize that you can clearly see a white (light side) face on the left side, and a black (dark side) face directly to the right of it?

The whole white side / dark side balance, of course.

Also, it looks like the waves of water are raging towards the island, perhaps the island will get covered with water. (or sink)

Another confusing thing... what's with the two little white houses? Are those possibly other "Desmond's Bunker" type locations?

Hatter
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I brought up the Adam and Eve theory. I couldn't tell if the dark man on the right was dark because of the bad lighting on the mural or if he was that way. But ... we have no idea what ethnicity Adam and Eve were. We know this ... there was a slave ship on the island ... slaves = black = dark skinned people. We don't know if there was anyone on the island before the ship crashed but we know there have been people there since.

What if Adam and Eve were a slave and a white woman who were a couple OR were killed by others living there then, because they were black & white and maybe "involved?" The black & white stones found with them may have signified that they were black and white people.

I also mentioned the two white houses and suggested they might be hatch openings or camps of the Others or the Others and yet another group (maybe Danielle's group?). But the white rectangle that is in front of the house on the right looks like a ladder but it also looks like there are letters in the squares. Could this be the bridge that they crossed last season?

ChicaFrom3

09-23-2005, 01:05 PM

That makes 2 'special' kids with artists for fathers. In both cases the father was to be left out of the child-rearing.
I hadn't made that connection before. Interesting. . .

I wonder if Danielle's husband was an artist.

:clapping:

I'm impressed by all of you! Have nothing to add, you guys are way over my head, but bookmarking this thread to keep following along.

dvg

09-23-2005, 01:40 PM

Thats what I mean... if you're taking a serum to protect you FROM the virus... why is the outside quarantined?

The best answer if the injections are a serum here is because he was exposed to the sickness in spite of best intentions not to be. That is, the quarantine was broken even before Kate went down the hole. He could also be really paranoid. If there's a deadly disease
rampaging through the island and I had a whole stock of serum I might take it anyway to
be safe. Of course, it could be anything. It could be heroin for all we know.

jbdean

09-23-2005, 01:49 PM

Ruger

09-23-2005, 04:32 PM

My first impression was that the stick people looked like they were on an island, and the arrow pointed to it. I also noticed the drawing of an eye in the painting, and figured it has something to do with Locke's speach to Walt about the "mind's eye" and how he "looked into the eye of the island".

Now to find out why Walt warned Locke to not open the hatch. It must still have bad consequences.

DayneLost

09-23-2005, 05:06 PM

Maybe Danielle's place is one of the white houses? Wasn't her "home" underground, also?

bluewolverine

09-23-2005, 05:49 PM

Ok, I've printed out all the best caps of the mural (I have a great color printer here) and will study them over the weekend.

But I did have a couple of questions before I get going.

1] What is the snake someone mentioned (saying it's in the upper right corner)? I see a tube in the lower right corner but no snake.

Thanks!

Look at the tube in the lower right and then the black face-type structure on the top to the right of middle and it looks a bit like a snake coiled and raised up to strike.

Also, the rebus interpretation of 'eye m sick' seems reasonable but doesn't make sense to me because the fish seems to be a direct precursor in that line. Anybody see how to fit the fish into the rebus?

Also, about 108 from wikipedia.
One hundred eight is an abundant number, a tetranacci number, a Harshad number and a self number. It is the hyperfactorial of 3. 108 is a number that is divisible by the value of its φ function, which is 36.
In normal space, the interior angles of an equilateral pentagon measure 108 degrees each.
There are 108 free polyominoes of order 7.
It is a split double prime of 2 and 3.

Also, it seems to be a highly significant number in several eastern religions indicating some sort of relationship to divine. Perhaps indicative of somebody trying to play God.

ChristineDaae

09-23-2005, 06:18 PM

I count 13 stick figures and 42 marks. About 15 of the marks are light and maybe are rubbed off a little, up toward the upper left part. 5 seem to be in the patch of blue (under the fish) and are a little more visible on the super-contrast version of the mural (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b188/lemmartswan/mural_enhanced.jpg) someone posted earlier...
Oh, and the "tube" or "snake" that everyone is mentioning, it's the place that has "SICK" printed over it, right? It looks like a tunnel to me. With all of the underground tunneling that this place has in it, that could be it...

jbdean

09-23-2005, 06:30 PM

BurningStar4

09-23-2005, 06:46 PM

I would analyze that the 108 inside the sun could represent this universal force over all either only on the island, or even off the island as well. The sun is something everyone sees and it is something that watches over all - could mean that these numbers are in all our/their lives watching over them all the time (which seems to be the case). It could also be some sort of countdown to the outside since there is an arrow pointing towards it, to the outside where the waves are.

There is a structure that could be a snake, or a tenticle like structure that has a claw on the end which seemed to have grasped Locke back during the finale. It also does look like a snake though or a snake like structure that has its mouth opened (near the clear white face). There is what looks to be a pair of eyes above this opened snake like mouth - could either be a person being grabbed by it, or since it is dark, just eyes in the dark (like the whispers in the woods - we never see faces but their eyes are watching?)

There is the drawing of an eye, and then right next to it the letter M (Eye'm) with SICK. I'm sick. I'm sick is also written within the snake like structure - could also be a tunnel though or inside the hatch. It's hard to decipher since the lighting is not exactly bright and it is a very abstract painting and everyone can have their own interpretation.

The houses I would assume could either represent him missing his home, or homes that are on the island - either under or above ground, or homes that have been washed away in the waves. I would bet that they could be the homes of the "others" though.

The fish, I don't know. Fish are a religious symbol but it could simply mean the fish in the water or something or nothing else entirely.

The stick figures - 13 or 14 seem like they could be visible, could represent the main survivors - but I doubt it. Could just represent people on the island in general. The big face though, it's a girl since it has long hair which almost seems to flow into the arrow - could be Danielle? The face looks scared or just surprised - by the claw like/snake like structure next to it.

Also down on the bottom below the sun there is this purple figure - almost looks like a dome...could be the dome that Jack was in at the end of the episode - and it almost looks like a man or atleast the profile of something standing next to it - it is sort of faint to see. Could also possibly be a spacship, like the one in Walt's comic.

That's all I've got for now off the top of my head.

jbdean

09-23-2005, 06:48 PM

Also, the rebus interpretation of 'eye m sick' seems reasonable but doesn't make sense to me because the fish seems to be a direct precursor in that line. Anybody see how to fit the fish into the rebus?Maybe he got sick from eating 42 fish. :24: Sorry, couldn't resist.

ChristineDaae

09-23-2005, 06:59 PM

There is the drawing of an eye, and then right next to it the letter M (Eye'm) with SICK. I'm sick. I'm sick is also written within the snake like structure - could also be a tunnel though or inside the hatch. It's hard to decipher since the lighting is not exactly bright and it is a very abstract painting and everyone can have their own interpretation.

Where else does it say Sick aside from the bottom?

waltisfuture

09-23-2005, 07:32 PM

Here is my attempt at the full mural. I used Jack's flashlight to make the best picture.
The arrow is pointing at the blue guy attacking the Indian woman, next to it is the word 'sick' or it might be "I (eye) am(m) sick".

http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/5056/muralproduct016ji.jpg

Is that a key in the bottom right hand corner where the paints are, to the right of the white box?

Sam G

09-23-2005, 07:54 PM

Is that a key in the bottom right hand corner where the paints are, to the right of the white box?It looks like one but proportionately it seems too large.

jbdean

09-23-2005, 08:03 PM

Look at the tube in the lower right and then the black face-type structure on the top to the right of middle and it looks a bit like a snake coiled and raised up to strike.
Sorry, but I don't see it. I see the curved tube that has Sick written in it but nothing that looks like a snake or a snake's head. But I'm thinking that if it is a snake, it's pretty cool that Jack named the skeletons Adam and Eve.
Also, the rebus interpretation of 'eye m sick' seems reasonable but doesn't make sense to me because the fish seems to be a direct precursor in that line. Anybody see how to fit the fish into the rebus?
I can't. I tried fish, whale, and all kinds of variations but came up blank.
Also, about 108 from wikipedia.
One hundred eight is an abundant number, a tetranacci number, a Harshad number and a self number. It is the hyperfactorial of 3. 108 is a number that is divisible by the value of its φ function, which is 36.That's too deep for me. I hate numbers. LOL

In normal space, the interior angles of an equilateral pentagon measure 108 degrees each.
There are 108 free polyominoes of order 7. It is a split double prime of 2 and 3.Do you understand this or, be honest, did you just copy and paste that? ;)

Also, it seems to be a highly significant number in several eastern religions indicating some sort of relationship to divine. Perhaps indicative of somebody trying to play God.Now that's a cool point ... and it goes back to one of the links I found on Desmond Tutu, a priest in Africa.

waltisfuture

09-23-2005, 08:14 PM

Above the word SICK are 2 stick men, one upside down. Any theories?

The top right of the mural looks to me like an old fashioned oil/gas street lamp (London) with the Black Smoke and fire???

The coil that goes up the right of the mural makes me think of Tesla coils, that has come up in a lot of theories. The number 4 and magnetism are associated with Tesla coils too.

It looks like a football below the white face.

Below the football shape is a circle within a circle. After Sam G posted Michael and Thomas's mural's, I'm seeing comparisons. This looks like the breasts on the pik behind the main mural. A man and woman lying down. Also behind the white face is a flowery looking item, and I see it in Thomas's mural to the right of the face. Fingers?

Behind the white face is what looks like netting, and it is continued in the arrowhead and behind the fish. Any thoughts?

The rays of the sun have the double image, like Thomas's mural's face, but it also reminds me of rabbit ears.

The lines for counting the days are 6 down with one crossing them off ~~ 7x6=42

The house on the left looks like it has a river leading to the waves.

In one of the caps, I see a person hanging out with their head heading down, from below the arrowhead on the left???

One of the stickmen on the top has what looks like an orange line heading down to the sun. I can see the letter "L" Is there a message in this mural? I started on the right with what's above the I'm sick clue.

2 faces = opposite or sides
football shape = game
circle within a circle = target
42
fish = secret symbol for God
The eye = I or see or look
M there is something between the eye and the letter M, but I can't figure it out.
SICK

The end of the message could be "God, I'm sick!" ???

And lastly, I see a red fish kissing another red fish. An homage to the internationally famous Kissing Scene??

Gothmog

09-23-2005, 08:26 PM

Someone has probably already posted this, but I don't see it on this thread. The numbers add up to 108 (4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = 108), the number on the mural several times.

Sam G

09-23-2005, 08:53 PM

I see the word OUT

Sevilea

09-23-2005, 09:05 PM

Unfortunately, no. But I want to see more of it as well! I wonder how long that guy was down there? And the whole 108 thing is interesting - the numbers are starting to freak me out lol.

4+8+15+16+23+42 = 108

jbdean

09-23-2005, 10:30 PM

It looks like one but proportionately it seems too large.
But it might be a key because we have no idea of the size of the lock ;)

jbdean

09-23-2005, 11:22 PM

I don't think the arrow is an arrow. The lines arcoss it make it look like a missle or rocket because they make it look like metal.

CybeRise

09-23-2005, 11:36 PM

Well, IF all of Danielle's crew got sick 16 years before whatever it is may not be there anymore. Yet for Desmond, who has been holled up underground for that long (or maybe longer) he doesn't know that it's clear to come out. He may be like a man who goes into a bomb shelter in preparation of a nuculear war and doesn't know when to come out because there is no one to tell him it's safe. While a nucluear war would at least show signs of rebirth after the radiation is gone (he'd be able to see the plants growing again, etc.), this sickness wouldn't show itself like that. So Desmond may just be staying down there waiting for some to come and get him ...

First off he hasn't been down there for 16 years because he recently saw Jack. Second if I was trapped somewhere for 16 freaking years I wouldn't reach for a gun I would be crying from the joy. He knows who is up there and the place he lives in is the control room for all his little gadgets. Kind of like The Island Of Doctor Moreau. Anyone ever see that movie? One crazy guy living on a island doing all kinds of wierd experiments. He is just some crazy guy that ventures into civilization once in a while to get what he needs and to find new people to mess with.

jbdean

09-23-2005, 11:54 PM

I've just watched the opening to the fist eppy and went slow motion to see all I could see. Here is what I found or noticed.

Desmond wakes up when he hears the computer blinking and it appears he is panicked over it. He rushes to the computer and quickly types in something and sets it to do whatever it's supposed to do. Then he is noticeably calmer as he goes over to the stereo.

BEDROOM AREA: There are two bunk beds. You can see the 2 pillows on the bottom bunk when we first see him get out of the top one. Later on you can see the bedroom and there are clearly 2 beds. The top one is messy and the bottom one looks like it hasn't been slept in. There is a lamp in the headboard of the top bunk but not in the bottom one. There appears to be either books or VHS tapes in the headboard of the bottom bunk but they might be some of each.

There are venetian blinds on the wall side of the bunks and there is light coming through them and you can clearly see that they are covering a large window.

LIVING ROOM AREA: 1 sofa (looks modern like from IKEA), a built-in small book case/shelves next to the sofa that has what really looks like a few VHS tape boxes (those big black one with the white labels). Next to this is the stereo and records (the equipment on the top left is the security system). A large floor lamp (the kind that arcs over) with a flared shade and large bulb, next to it and by the stereo is a black floor lamp, the kind with several lamps that you can aim in different directions. An over stuffed chair that matches the sofa and A SINGLE PING PONG PADDLE in the chair. There's a modestly sized picture on the wall behind the sofa that looks like a desert scene with shrubs and a barren mountain on the right. A coffee table that's a block of wood with a plank for the top. I can't make out what's on the coffee table but there are various items ... it's cluttered. A shag area rug, walls are wood paneled. There is a lava lamp to the left of the stereo unit.

EATING AREA: Behind the booth there is another large window that is covered by a venetian blind and more light is coming in through it. On the table is a bowl, plate, coffee cups (2) juice glass and misc. things like a rolled up magazine, and place matt. It looks like there is an ashtray on the window ledge and there's a paperback book opened and face down on the booth on the right.

KITCHEN AREA: From the kitchen we can clearly see the bedroom. 2 bunks and an area rug like in the living room. Linoleum flooring. To the right of the bedroom there appears to be a hall or another room (a bathroom maybe?) and next to that, opposite the kitchen, are a washer & dryer that look very modern. They look like they are aluminum and are front loading. Next to these is the exercise bike. The sink has lots of dirty dishes (which I thought odd because he only washes the bowl). He uses modern dish soap in a plastic clear bottle. There's a foot peddle operated garbage can next to the sink island. Double aluminum sink and fairly modern looking faucet running the water. He does his chin-up in front of the washer/dryer and we can see on the shelves over them 2 bottles of DOWNEY FABRIC SOFTENER & one bottle of TIDE LAUNDRY SOAP. Both of these are in modern plastic bottles. Next to the Downey it looks like a brushed metal travel coffee cup but I'm not sure. When he makes his blender drink he puts cherries in it. Cherries ... where'd he get those?

SONG: "You've Got to Make Your Own Kind of Music" could imply that he is on his own personal quest ... doing his own thing for himself or for something he believes in. I think it's significant.

AFTER THE EXPLOSION: The symbol on his overalls is an octagon with 2 more smaller octagons inside the larger one and the center being a circle with something inside the circle that I can't make out. A symbol of something ... maybe the 2 headed Phoenix that he had on his shirt when he met Jack? The octagon has lines going from the corners of the eight sides to the center circle making the image look like a spider's web or possibly the layout of the area he lives in (walls, or halls surrounding the center core of the place). It also looks like the bleachers of a stadium with the center being the playing field (hmmm ... the stadium where he met Jack have a connection to all of this?) This might represent the project he's working on.

The combination had the numbers 23 & 42 (which are in the sting of numbers).

The mural is seen in an open area to the left of the stereo so when Jack found it in the dark, Desmond had obviously turned off all of the lights. From where Desmond emerges (with the gun to Locke's head) is the living room where the stereo is.

I thought I saw a pool table as he ran to the telescope.

The image in the first mirror looks very much like a hatch with the top still intact and a light shining through the glass window the second clearly show Locke with his torch looking into a much larger dark area in the center. I also noticed that when Desmond looks at the first mirror, he then looks at a light in the hall, when he looks at the second mirror, he looks at another light on the opposite wall. I do think there are two hatches and they are fairly close to each other.

Question: why does Desmond need a telescope to look at the mirrors that he can walk up to and look at? Could his eye sight be poor for some reason?

Well, that's it ... any thoughts?

jbdean

09-23-2005, 11:57 PM

First off he hasn't been down there for 16 years because he recently saw Jack. Second if I was trapped somewhere for 16 freaking years I wouldn't reach for a gun I would be crying from the joy. He knows who is up there and the place he lives in is the control room for all his little gadgets. Kind of like The Island Of Doctor Moreau. Anyone ever see that movie? One crazy guy living on a island doing all kinds of wierd experiments. He is just some crazy guy that ventures into civilization once in a while to get what he needs and to find new people to mess with.
Yes, that was already pointed out to me. :)

I think it's too soon to conclude that he's crazy. We don't know what he'll do after he's realized that Jack is there. We've only seen half of the story. ;)

Witchy Chick

09-24-2005, 12:02 AM

The mural reminded me of tattoos -- like if someone got sleeves done on their arms. Their entire arm is covered, no skin showing. Tats overlap other tats -- kinda like the mural is.

This got me to thinking about Jack's tats and vaguely remembering that one of them was kind of "sunnish." I found this site (http://www.ece.neu.edu/~xzhu/lost_tatoo.html). The bottom of the tat bears a slight resemblance to the triangles on the sun (in the mural). It's difficult to see the top of the tat, but IIRC it's kinda like a striped pyramid (like the triangular top to the arrow in the mural?).

Witchy

CybeRise

09-24-2005, 12:05 AM

What if he is the Crazy guy hurley mentioned to jack. He said he met some crazy guy all into these numbers at a pysco ward.

BurningStar4

09-24-2005, 01:16 AM

ChicaFrom3

09-24-2005, 01:18 AM

What if he is the Crazy guy hurley mentioned to jack. He said he met some crazy guy all into these numbers at a pysco ward.

No, we met the crazy gut at the psycho ward (Leonard, Numbers) and he ain't Desmond.

jbdean

09-24-2005, 01:41 AM

What if he is the Crazy guy hurley mentioned to jack. He said he met some crazy guy all into these numbers at a pysco ward.
No, that guy isn't Desmond. We've seen him in season one.

jbdean

09-24-2005, 01:46 AM

JBdean mentions that there is possibly two hatches, if that is the case, wouldn't the whole structure probably be a submarine? This could explain a lot possibly. I don't really know how submarines function, but if there is a code on the hatch it could just be the code for the submarine, instead of having a name it has a number? Or its just the serial code, and therefore everything inside of it (like those bottles of serum) could also be labeled with the same number so its not screwed up with another submarine? It could also explain why those numbers were being broadcasted from the island - maybe the submarine got stuck there like Danielle's ship and they were sending out an SOS so the government (or whoever) would know that the submarine was locked in at this location (assuming they found the source of the transmission). Then after time the submarine which was at once underwater - (there are waves on the mural and the arrow is coming from under the waves, meaning that whoever started the mural may very well have been underwater stuck in the submarine wanting to come out) - has since become barried under the ground due to the island shifting or tsunamis, I don't really know. Also the sunlight coming through the windows must be artificial since it is daylight when Desmond wakes up and it is nighttime outside of the hatch.
I'm am sure Desmond is not in a submarine. You can clearly see the rock on the sides of the hallways that Jack goes through. It's built into the ground like a bunker.

The first things Desmond sees in the small round mirror looks just like the hatch window that Locke and Boone saw when they discovered the hatch that they blasted open. But the second thing he sees in the second small round mirror is clearly Locke and his torch. There must be two hatches. But from where is Desmond being able to see them because he is looking down on them. There must be mirrors in the trees that reflect back down to him. That took a lot of work to line them up correctly and any kind of storm would move them so someone (Desmond? Ethan?) had to occasionally go to the surface and reajust them.

blahbityblah

09-24-2005, 09:04 AM

jbdean

09-24-2005, 09:11 AM

Here's an excerpt from Entertainment Weekly:

(Lindelof suggests studying Desmond's mural for clues...or waiting patiently for him to share what he knows on Oct.5). Still, he's banking that fans will dig the guessing games. "I don't think the audience wants us to take away their ability to play along," Lindelof says. "Then again, they may not realize how much they like it until we take it away."

So I guess figuring out what the mural means explains the hatch.

Do you think it means anything that a lot of the paintings are under the waves?
I don't know if the mural will explain everything about the hatch but I do think it will explain the history of the island that is known. For example, I still feel that the two people are who Jack named Adam & Eve.

I think the water is simply the ocean. The stick figures above the waves could mean a landing party from a boat or there might have been (or still are) natives to the island that whoever did the mural saw when they first came to shore.

I don't think Desmond did the whole mural because it says "I am sick" and he looks quite healthy. Unless he was saying "I'm sick of being here" because it also says "out." But then it might be a map of the island and that's telling the way out.

I printed out the mural and will study it more this weekend. It will be really exciting to see how much (if any LOL) of the mural we get right.

tarf

09-25-2005, 11:55 AM

a while ago someone talked about the aborigene Dreamtime
Mural or cave paintings were also used by australian natives

so here is my take on that mural

it is a dream drawn on the wall of the hatch

i am not quite sure yet where i'm going with that, but here is the beginning of those thoughts

Fishes => Jin comes from a fishermen's village, and throughout the show Jin definitely is associated with fishes
House => Micharl was a construction worker
Hashes => Sawyer or Kate => usually associated with counting the days in prison. Kate was taken into custody, Sawyer was a con man and actually kept a record of the number of days (or time) he has been chasing the real Sawyer (Stamp on enveloppe)
Why would anyone want to keep track of time by marking the wall when there are computers, alarm clocks and all the equipment a few meters away ?

Sun => obvious enough => Sun :D
Scary face => rather the face of someone who is scared : Walt (actually Walt became kind of creepy)

Directly on the left of the face, is what looks like a crude flower => Rose

i can count 14 stick people, probably the main 14 from the start of the show
on the left, just above the water, is a stick people inside a red stain => Boone ?

the word SICK => illness => Medicine, doctor => Jack ?

The large arrow => the plane ? (could be interpreted as a bright silver arrow in the sky)

i don't know if you see where i'm going to here
but like the psychic had visions, like Walt told Locke not to open it, like many of them had hallucinations, maybe someone foresaw the arrival of the lostaways, and actually told their story, in a crude way, by painting the vision on the wall of the hatch

eatingt00thpaste

09-25-2005, 12:30 PM

But wasn't Desmond running in the arena with Jack right after the operation? How long ago was that? It couldn't be 16 years, could it?

:confused:

Then that would support my fiancé's theory that Desmond travels in time. :biggrin: He watches a lot of Dr. Who.

acp28

09-25-2005, 05:13 PM

car88win

09-25-2005, 06:10 PM

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm working on the Long Lost List and would love your input on this. I've got the following:
Here's a list of what we see:

fish (more than 1)

A sun

A flower of some kind ?

The numbers 8, 16, 42, 108 (which is the sum of all the cursed numbers)
I'm sure the rest of them 4 and 23 are in there somewhere

2 small white houses

a strange blue sea creature looking thing - or it could be the waves that overtook the wreckage?

2 faces

I count 14 stick figures so far and one is inside a red stain - blood? (could be Boone or anyone who's died so far)

It looks like someone was counting the days - hash marks

a large white arrow pointing north?

an eye

The words "M SICK" You could use the "eye" for I'm sick or there does seem to be something just in front of the letter M

Above the word SICK are 2 stick men, one upside down.

and its eerily like Thomas's painting picture (http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x10-raised/raised103.jpg)

CybeRise

09-25-2005, 06:16 PM

I tried my best to clean it up too.

http://www.narchs.net/gallery/mural.jpg

car88win

09-25-2005, 06:18 PM

That's a little bit better than what we have so far. I have two and this one isn't that bad. Thanks. I'll give you credit on the site for this addition.:kiss:

That is if you don't mind I put it on our site?

CybeRise

09-25-2005, 06:25 PM

i dont if you're talking to me lol

car88win

09-25-2005, 06:30 PM

Yes, your picture was a good version. The other two we have are darker a little and yours could show more detail.

Maffa

09-25-2005, 06:35 PM

I have quickly read all the posts.

I always thought that Rousseau's expedition was a military one, led in a (nuclear?) submarine. A submarine has enough supplies (military too) and can be sealed in order no to leave any leak of anything on the surface; moreover, the submarine can give enough power supply to run a refrigerator and all the other electrical appliances Danielle had in the bunker. So the people coming down from the submarine could be danielle's party.

(then i dont know where to put theeven fleeble link to the polar bears as part of the scientific expedition)

Moreover, about the song: in Chocolat, a woman meaning another woman was crazy (well she was not but everybody thought she was) like this: "She dances a music all of her own (that nobody else can hear)", and winked. So it could be possible that desmond is crazy, since he sings a music he only can hear?

car88win

09-25-2005, 06:43 PM

Locke did tell Boone, you can't hear everything - when he blew the whistle right?

bport132

09-25-2005, 06:56 PM

It's a somewhat childlike mural too. I keep wondering if the people in the hatch saw Danielle's boat run aground and observed her group and realized they'd contracted the island sickness. But they didn't have enough serum to treat them all. So, eventually they decided, "At least we can save the child". And the mural was how they explained the island dangers to this child as she grew. And she would have been fascinated with the hatches right? So they'd have had to explain over and over to her about the dangers at the top of the hatch - eventually to the point where they just had to destroy the ladder because they couldn't keep her from climbing it anymore.

car88win

09-25-2005, 06:57 PM

I've just seen another picture and I'm starting to wonder if they arrow is maybe the drill from the black rock? Maybe?

MidnightMutation

09-25-2005, 07:00 PM

I actually keep counting two eyes. The one, of course, next to the "M Sick," but then there appears to be another one (without eyelashes) directly above the up arrow.

Also, the sun drawing really reminds me of Hurley's lottery ticket.
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=305&pos=60
Notice that the logos on the ticket and on the screen are slightly different? On the screen, the O's in "Lotto" and "Jackpot" form an 8 with a sunburst behind it. On the ticket, they do not connect and there are two separate sunbursts merged together.

car88win

09-25-2005, 07:00 PM

Interesting!

granulated

09-25-2005, 07:10 PM

http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=muralpieced2nz.jpg

I did a composite using 4 screenies.

I wonder if there's any significance in there being a white face and a black face up there ?

car88win

09-25-2005, 07:17 PM

The more views the better eh? Granulateds' picture is the one that made me wonder about the arrow

tarf

09-25-2005, 07:29 PM

So, eventually they decided, "At least we can save the child". And the mural was how they explained the island dangers to this child as she grew. And she would have been fascinated with the hatches right? So they'd have had to explain over and over to her about the dangers at the top of the hatch.

now this lead to an interesting theory

Adam and Eve were Desmond's parents
they got infected but children are immune to the disease
they locked Desmond into the hatch when he was 10 (Walt's age) and they died in the caves
Desmond drew the mural when he was still a kid, maybe he was already on the serum and this serum has a side effect that enables to foresee the future, and he drew the 14 stick lostaways

Jack never really met Desmond at the Stadium, it was one of his hallucinations (or psychic flash) because of the stress of not fixing Sarah
Jack will realise that, and that in fact he had some kind of mystical encounter with an angel or even god => see you in another life / what if you did fix her = faith
this would fit in with what Locke said in Ex3, that Jack already was a man of faith, he just didn't know it yet
maybe will Desmond be the trigger so that Jack realises the miracle of fixing Sarah

car88win

09-25-2005, 07:31 PM

Oh, kind of like that movie with Brandon Fraiser - they lived in a fall out bunker with supplies for years.

This part
Jack never really met Desmond at the Stadium, it was one of his hallucinations (or psychic flash) because of the stress of not fixing Sarah
Jack will realise that, and that in fact he had some kind of mystical encounter with an angel or even god => see you in another life / what if you did fix her = faith
this would fit in with what Locke said in Ex3, that Jack already was a man of faith, he just didn't know it yet
maybe will Desmond be the trigger so that Jack realises the miracle of fixing Sarah

I don't know.

coupons

09-25-2005, 07:39 PM

KaosTroll

09-25-2005, 08:17 PM

Anyone else see something written in the shaft of the arrow? I tried looking at all the pics but with every pic comes more confusion.

car88win

09-25-2005, 08:18 PM

I was just seeing lines. As to hint that it could be metallic maybe?

Azaelia

09-25-2005, 08:18 PM

I also see two eyes. One that is more of a cartoon, next to the M SICK. There is also something that could be an eye as well, directly above the number 42. There are also some creepy eye-like shapes that are at the top to the right of the head. And a couple peeking out of the darkest place at the right of the painting. Creepy.

The whole thing looks very much as though it has been drawn by a child.

The tally marks look as though they are a counting of days. I'm too lazy to add them all up, because you can't see them too well.

There are two distinct houses...Perhaps indicating places where other people are located.

I only see 12 stick figures, but the lighting isn't particularly distinct.

There seems to be special emphasis put upon the number 108. It's the biggest number on the page, both in value and in size of print, and it's right in the sun. It's also written twice on the mural.

Over all, when I look at the painting, I feel uneasy, like I'm being watched. Probably because the longer I look at the painting, the more eyes I see. Perhaps everyone on the island is being watched. scary.

waltisfuture

09-25-2005, 08:20 PM

http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=muralpieced2nz.jpg

I did a composite using 4 screenies.

I wonder if there's any significance in there being a white face and a black face up there ?

mural face compared to the face in Thomas' painting (http://www.geocities.com/a_magpies_nest/faces.jpg)
Michael's mural (http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=26919&fullsize=1)
Thomas's mural (http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=27857&fullsize=1)

car88win

09-25-2005, 08:22 PM

Michaels mural does have the fish and the head on Thomas's painting just gives me the willies.

car88win

09-25-2005, 08:22 PM

By the way if you couldn't tell, I love the way you added the LLL to your signature so I copied yours.:kiss:

GutterFace

09-25-2005, 09:19 PM

Just like to add there are actually 3 houses. The third is right under 'sick', right next to the paints, which you can't see in the murals posted here. Don't know if that has any more relavance than 2 houses but thought you would like to know.

waltisfuture

09-25-2005, 09:21 PM

By the way if you couldn't tell, I love the way you added the LLL to your signature so I copied yours.:kiss:

Too funny. I noticed that, and wondered if I subconsciously copied you. lol

CybeRise

09-25-2005, 09:24 PM

sure then use it all ya want :)

jbdean

09-25-2005, 09:42 PM

As for the 14 stick figures - could they be representative of the 14 'main survivors' (the clique, as Dr. Arzt put it)? I noticed a red line going from the sun (with 108, the sum total of the numbers) right through the head of one of the stick-men. Perhaps that one stands for Boone, and there's a line through him because he's been killed? Also, 4 of the stick figures have feet touching the water - maybe they're representative of the Raftaways? Or, Joanna (the stick figure almost submerged in the water), Michael, Jin, and Sawyer (who are currently in the water), and Walt is the stick figure near the water but not in it (the one that appears to be holding hands with another figure)? What do you all think?
I like yours and tarf's interpetations (though, tarf, I don't think it's a dream). Those 14 stick figures threw me but then I was thinking of the full number of survivors so I took them to be Danielle's team (since we don't know how many were in her group). But I think it is the 14 main one and the Boone one is the one with the red on it. But I don't think we should count Joanna since she was not in the orig. 14 and never even had any lines (other than shouting for help). This mural is, I think, the biggest and most obvious clue we've been given and yet it's one of the hardest to figure out! Gotta' love it!! :biggrin:

jbdean

09-25-2005, 10:16 PM

So many are saying they see 14 stick figures. Even from the newest cleaned-up cap, I only count 12. Where are the other 2?

Also, I don't think the arrow is an arrow. The hash marks on it make it look like metal. I think it's a rocket or missile. That leads me to think that the bunker has military connections.

I don't recall if anyone else has mentioned this but could the curvy thing on the bottom, kind of to the right, be the cable that Sayid found in the water that lead to the jungle? It looks like a large cable, to me.

And I still tend to believe that the man and woman are the two skeletons that Jack found and named Adam and Eve. He said they had been there for (I think) 40+ years. That would put them there in the 60s-70s and that jives with the age of the computers that Desmond uses.

I printed the mural out in color and have been going over it with a fine tooth comb. Those are the only things I can see that differ from what others have posted here.

jbdean

09-25-2005, 10:19 PM

Moreover, about the song: in Chocolat, a woman meaning another woman was crazy (well she was not but everybody thought she was) like this: "She dances a music all of her own (that nobody else can hear)", and winked. So it could be possible that desmond is crazy, since he sings a music he only can hear?
Oh I definitely think the song is significant ... BIG TIME! Another clue. But I dont know if it means Desmond is crazy, he looked totally sane doing all his stuff when he woke up and only crazed after we saw him with Locke and that could just be the rush from being invaded.

But I do think the song implies that Desmond is on his own quest, or on one that few are believers in. Obviously by living on that island in that bunker he marches to a different drummer than the average person! :biggrin:

jbdean

09-25-2005, 10:28 PM

jbdean

09-25-2005, 10:36 PM

Osmium metal is lustrous, bluish white, extremely hard, and brittle even at high temperatures. It has the highest melting point and lowest vapour pressure of the platinum group. The metal is very difficult to fabricate, but the powder can be sintered in a hydrogen atmosphere at a temperature of 2000°C. The solid metal is not affected by air at room temperature, but the powdered or spongy metal slowly gives off osmium tetroxide, which is a powerful oxidising agent and has a strong smell. The tetroxide is highly toxic, and boils at 130°C (760 mm). Concentrations in air as low as 10-7 g m-3 can cause lung congestion, skin damage, or eye damage.
Huh? :confused: Sorry, but what does this have to do with what I noted seeing in the opening scenes in Desmond's bunker (which you quoted in your post)? And more, what does it have to do with the buner and/or show?

granulated

09-25-2005, 11:41 PM

EmptyJar

09-26-2005, 12:20 AM

so crazy stuff that theres similarities between all the murals we've seen so far... think this one was made as an amalgam of all the ones we've seen (and ones to still see maybe??)... hopefully we'll get better images of this mural in upcoming eps.

and i still wonder about the fish too, maybe there's something with the fish? The survivors have been eating a lot of fish there, haven't they?? Maybe there's something wrong with the fishes...

Daphne

09-26-2005, 02:44 AM

You guys have come up with great, interesting stuff! :)

I was going to comment on the Sun figure. It has 12 triangles symbolizing its rays around it. Maybe it has something to do with the astrological "houses"?

About 108: I just found this site, I'm currently reading so I don't have a clear idea yet of its usefulness, but what I've read so far seems interesting

http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/articles/misc/why108.html

**edited: There's definitely something about fish. What about Shannon mentioning "the fish movie" when she was talking to Sayid about La Mer?

jbdean

09-26-2005, 02:50 AM

"So many are saying they see 14 stick figures. Even from the newest cleaned-up cap, I only count 12. Where are the other 2? "
.................................................. .....

12 top left area.

2 more just above SICK "laying" top and tail. (Meaning perhaps corpses)
I see them now! Thanks.

Maybe they are the 2 dead in the caves that Jack found? Or, since they are upside down, maybe they are Desmond and his roommate since they are under the ground, you could look at it as the opposite as being above ground, hence they're drawn upside down.

jbdean

09-26-2005, 02:55 AM

I haven't found a place to exactly post this but since the mural singles out the number 108 and we know that is the total of all of the numbers, I'll post it here.

Now, this may mean nothing and I can't, yet, even come up with an idea of my own BUT if you add the numbers they total 108. BUT if you subtract them from themselves, they equal only 100. You have to start with the first number and then subtract from there on. I just found it odd that it would come to an even 100. It's probably nothing but any thoughts?

schoff

09-26-2005, 06:09 AM

Su La Terre

09-26-2005, 08:51 AM

I wonder if there's any significance to the fact that the fish are depicted as the old Christian symbol for Christ.

Bingo.

Michael Orteig

09-26-2005, 09:25 AM

or maybe it was just a fish... cause they are on an island and they probably eat ... fish... ? :biggrin:

or they like to draw fishes ... and houses... and the sun which they may miss ... :biggrin:

I am not sure if this was adressed before, but those paintings look quite naive to me... Couldn't those have been made by a child or a teen (I am thinking Alex, there, or young Desmond, or somebody else we don't know about yet)

coupons

09-26-2005, 10:43 AM

Huh? :confused: Sorry, but what does this have to do with what I noted seeing in the opening scenes in Desmond's bunker (which you quoted in your post)? And more, what does it have to do with the buner and/or show? I posted it in reply to possible eye damage. Here is the whole post (eye effect at the end)
What I found interesting in the following 'OS' the lingering letters in 'lost' , the fact that the name means smell (Jack you smell) and found in Ont.
hassium
Related: Chemical Compounds

(hăs´ēem, häs´-) , artificially produced radioactive chemical element; symbol Hs; at. no. 108; mass number of most stable isotope 265; m.p., b.p., sp. gr., and valence unknown. Situated in group VIII of the periodic table , it is expected to have properties similar to those of osmium . In 1984 a German research team led by P. Armbruster and G. Münzenberg at the Institute for Heavy Ion Research at Darmstadt bombarded lead-208 atoms with iron-58 ions. In 10 days of bombardment, they successfully produced three atoms of an isotope of element 108 with mass number 265 and a half-life of only 2 msec. They suggested that the new element by named hassium, which is derived from the Latin name for the German state of Hesse , where the institute is located. In 1994 a committee of the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC), convened to resolve naming disputes for the transactinide elements , recommended that element 108 be named hahnium. The name hassium was adopted internationally, however, in 1997. osmium
Related: Chemical Compounds

Osmium
(ŏz´mēem) , metallic chemical element; symbol Os; at. no. 76; at. wt. 190.2; m.p. 3,045±30°C; b.p. 5,027±100°C; sp. gr. 22.57 at 20°C; valence usually +0 to +8. Osmium is a very hard, brittle, lustrous bluish-white metal with a close-packed hexagonal crystalline structure. It immediately precedes iridium in group VIII of the periodic table . The measured densities of osmium and iridium indicate that osmium is slightly more dense than iridium, and osmium is generally credited as the heaviest element. Osmium does not oxidize readily in air except when heated or in powdered form; it then forms the unpleasant smelling, highly toxic tetroxide, OsO 4 . The tetroxide is used in microscopy as a stain, in fingerprint detection, and as a catalyst. Osmium is not affected by common acids but is oxidized to the tetroxide by hot nitric acid, hot sulfuric acid, or aqua regia. Osmium reacts with fluorine or chlorine gas at high temperatures to give the tetrafluoride or tetrachloride. In addition to the valences noted above, osmium assumes other valences between 0 and +8 in various compounds. Osmium is found in platinum ores and in the mineral osmiridium. It is recovered commercially as a byproduct of the refining of nickel ores mined near Sudbury, Ont., Canada. The metal is used largely for the production of hard alloys for use in fountain pen points, phonograph needles, and instrument bearings. Osmium was discovered by Smithson Tennant in 1804 in a residue left after dissolving crude platinum in aqua regia.
Name Derived From Greek osme meaning 'smell'
Osmium metal is lustrous, bluish white, extremely hard, and brittle even at high temperatures. It has the highest melting point and lowest vapour pressure of the platinum group. The metal is very difficult to fabricate, but the powder can be sintered in a hydrogen atmosphere at a temperature of 2000°C. The solid metal is not affected by air at room temperature, but the powdered or spongy metal slowly gives off osmium tetroxide, which is a powerful oxidising agent and has a strong smell. The tetroxide is highly toxic, and boils at 130°C (760 mm). Concentrations in air as low as 10-7 g m-3 can cause lung congestion, skin damage, or eye damage.

coupons

09-26-2005, 10:49 AM

tequila

09-26-2005, 10:53 AM

I've just have an idea...

We know a black actor will join the serie soon (Emeka). Maybe he was a pilot or passenger of the small plane crashed in the forest 16 years ago ? In my memories, there was only one body in the plane .. So, maybe he met Desmond on the island, and they found together the hatch. Maybe Emeka(?) can't speak english, and so he painted on the wall to explain the mysteries of the island ...

Dr.Funbags

09-26-2005, 11:21 AM

Hmm, to me the white face on the mural seems to be wearing a "native" headress, and seems to be bleeding from the scalp.

Honbun26

09-26-2005, 11:45 AM

sier

09-26-2005, 11:52 AM

I thought there was another body hanging in the tree. But, I've been known to be completely wrong :redface:

Yes, you are correct. That is the body with the gun, plus the body in the plane.

Also, Emeka is now known as Mr. Eko.

jbdean

09-26-2005, 01:54 PM

Between Charlie's (and Hurley) Catholicism, the Nigerian priest, "Adam" and "Eve", as well as the 40 days for season one, I wonder if there's any significance to the fact that the fish are depicted as the old Christian symbol for Christ.

Lost does seem to use religion a lot. "Man of Faith" and all.

That's a good chain of connections!

Anyone know, for fact, the number of days between the crash and the hatch being blown open?

jbdean

09-26-2005, 01:58 PM

I posted it in reply to possible eye damage. Here is the whole post (eye effect at the end)
What I found interesting in the following 'OS' the lingering letters in 'lost' , the fact that the name means smell (Jack you smell) and found in Ont.
hassium
Related: Chemical Compounds

(hăs´ēem, häs´-) , artificially produced radioactive chemical element; symbol Hs; at. no. 108; mass number of most stable isotope 265; m.p., b.p., sp. gr., and valence unknown. Situated in group VIII of the periodic table , it is expected to have properties similar to those of osmium . In 1984 a German research team led by P. Armbruster and G. Münzenberg at the Institute for Heavy Ion Research at Darmstadt bombarded lead-208 atoms with iron-58 ions. In 10 days of bombardment, they successfully produced three atoms of an isotope of element 108 with mass number 265 and a half-life of only 2 msec. They suggested that the new element by named hassium, which is derived from the Latin name for the German state of Hesse , where the institute is located. In 1994 a committee of the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC), convened to resolve naming disputes for the transactinide elements , recommended that element 108 be named hahnium. The name hassium was adopted internationally, however, in 1997. osmium
Related: Chemical Compounds

Osmium
(ŏz´mēem) , metallic chemical element; symbol Os; at. no. 76; at. wt. 190.2; m.p. 3,045±30°C; b.p. 5,027±100°C; sp. gr. 22.57 at 20°C; valence usually +0 to +8. Osmium is a very hard, brittle, lustrous bluish-white metal with a close-packed hexagonal crystalline structure. It immediately precedes iridium in group VIII of the periodic table . The measured densities of osmium and iridium indicate that osmium is slightly more dense than iridium, and osmium is generally credited as the heaviest element. Osmium does not oxidize readily in air except when heated or in powdered form; it then forms the unpleasant smelling, highly toxic tetroxide, OsO 4 . The tetroxide is used in microscopy as a stain, in fingerprint detection, and as a catalyst. Osmium is not affected by common acids but is oxidized to the tetroxide by hot nitric acid, hot sulfuric acid, or aqua regia. Osmium reacts with fluorine or chlorine gas at high temperatures to give the tetrafluoride or tetrachloride. In addition to the valences noted above, osmium assumes other valences between 0 and +8 in various compounds. Osmium is found in platinum ores and in the mineral osmiridium. It is recovered commercially as a byproduct of the refining of nickel ores mined near Sudbury, Ont., Canada. The metal is used largely for the production of hard alloys for use in fountain pen points, phonograph needles, and instrument bearings. Osmium was discovered by Smithson Tennant in 1804 in a residue left after dissolving crude platinum in aqua regia.
Name Derived From Greek osme meaning 'smell'
Osmium metal is lustrous, bluish white, extremely hard, and brittle even at high temperatures. It has the highest melting point and lowest vapour pressure of the platinum group. The metal is very difficult to fabricate, but the powder can be sintered in a hydrogen atmosphere at a temperature of 2000°C. The solid metal is not affected by air at room temperature, but the powdered or spongy metal slowly gives off osmium tetroxide, which is a powerful oxidising agent and has a strong smell. The tetroxide is highly toxic, and boils at 130°C (760 mm). Concentrations in air as low as 10-7 g m-3 can cause lung congestion, skin damage, or eye damage.
So are you saying that Desmond used the telescope to look at the mirrors (like I questioned) because he may have suffered eye damage from the chemicle that you think exists because of the OS in the word LOST?

sier

09-26-2005, 03:07 PM

That's a good chain of connections!

Anyone know, for fact, the number of days between the crash and the hatch being blown open?

Exactly 40 days.

granulated

09-26-2005, 04:24 PM

...Now, this may mean nothing and I can't, yet, even come up with an idea of my own BUT if you add the numbers they total 108. BUT if you subtract them from themselves, they equal only 100. You have to start with the first number and then subtract from there on. I just found it odd that it would come to an even 100. It's probably nothing but any thoughts?

If it is "something" then maybe that ridiculous number connection regarding an old Mickey Mouse short that I read on the numbers website is also "something" :rolleyes:

LuvMySayid

09-26-2005, 04:32 PM

Hi, everyone. Your old friend Luv here. I see a couple of things not mentioned so far. Look directly above the 42 and to the right of the "football" shape. Concentrate on the dark shape there. Looks like a bear's footprint. Polar bear, maybe? Second thing is just above the "ic" in Sick. It's an upside down stick figure. Since it is near "Sayid's cable", could be representing Sayid hanging in Danielle's snare trap. What do you think?

jbdean

09-26-2005, 04:33 PM

Exactly 40 days.

WOW! So then there might just be more to this religious connection than we thought at first, huh?

Perhaps the "doctor" Desmond refers to himself as almost becoming is a PhD in religion and perhaps he's a faith healer ... but then, that stuff he's putting in his arm requires no faith. :confused:

jbdean

09-26-2005, 04:35 PM

LuvMySayid

09-26-2005, 04:58 PM

granulated

09-26-2005, 05:19 PM

Hmmmm. Yeah, I think I see the other one, to the left. What is it (she?) holding in her right hand? If we take the premise that it's Danielle and Sayid, it could be the knife she used to cut him down. Do you see the bear footprint? In sort of a mahogany or burgundy color above the 42?

I can't see it nor even invent it by being "creative".
Could you perhaps bung it in an editor and outline what you mean ?

jbdean

09-26-2005, 05:19 PM

Hmmmm. Yeah, I think I see the other one, to the left. What is it (she?) holding in her right hand? If we take the premise that it's Danielle and Sayid, it could be the knife she used to cut him down. Do you see the bear footprint? In sort of a mahogany or burgundy color above the 42?
No, I can't make out a bear print, it's too dark and splotchy in that whole area. They better show us a cleaner shot next eppy! LOL

granulated

09-26-2005, 05:40 PM

No, I can't make out a bear print, it's too dark and splotchy in that whole area. They better show us a cleaner shot next eppy! LOL

I just redid a composite
it's a little clearer in certain areas.
http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anothermuralcomposite5lr.jpg

jbdean

09-26-2005, 05:45 PM

I just redid a composite
it's a little clearer in certain areas.
http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anothermuralcomposite5lr.jpg

I think I see it ... in far upper right corner?

But know what I do see new (thanks to your cap)? Look ON the football shape that's directly to the right of the 42. On top of that is a kind of white square that has a line through it diagonally. IT'S THE RAFT! I know it has to be the raft!!

waltisfuture

09-26-2005, 05:53 PM

Jane, I just noticed that too.

I couldn't see it in any of the other caps before this one. I thought it looked like an old fashioned gas street lamp, but noone answered to it. That whole corner of the mural hasn't really been picked apart yet.

Does it not look like a big letter "Z" too?

granulated

09-26-2005, 05:54 PM

I think I see it ... in far upper right corner?

But know what I do see new (thanks to your cap)? Look ON the football shape that's directly to the right of the 42. On top of that is a kind of white square that has a line through it diagonally. IT'S THE RAFT! I know it has to be the raft!!

I see it, I seeeeeeeeeeee it !! :o

If it aint a raft, then it can only be..... a giant sweet potato with sails ! :biggrin:

granulated

09-26-2005, 05:56 PM

now then...how about the 3 houses ?

3 different camps ? 3 bunkers ?

I also think there is a black face to the right of the obvious white one.

waltisfuture

09-26-2005, 06:00 PM

Hmmmm. Yeah, I think I see the other one, to the left. What is it (she?) holding in her right hand? If we take the premise that it's Danielle and Sayid, it could be the knife she used to cut him down. Do you see the bear footprint? In sort of a mahogany or burgundy color above the 42?

Luv, I see it in this screencap. Good catch

http://timdorr.com/images/Lost/mural.jpg

granulated, 3 is definately an interesting number in Lost, so I think you might be onto something here.

jbdean

09-26-2005, 07:17 PM

Ok, now that I see it much clearer now thanks granulated, I will throw out something that I thought of before when the image was dark.

What do you all think of this. What we have been thinking of as waves ... what if it's not waves but a shore line and the blue is the ocean? That would mean 3 (there's that number again) coves. Coves make great hideouts for ships because the land hides their existance until you're right up on it and turn the bend. So, if there are 3 coves, there could be other survivors on the island that we haven't reached yet that are just up the coast or this could be how the Others sail in and out unseen by our band of lostaways.

jbdean

09-26-2005, 07:19 PM

now then...how about the 3 houses ?

3 different camps ? 3 bunkers ?

I also think there is a black face to the right of the obvious white one.
I think 3 camps, Desmond, Danielle's and the Others. I still don't think Desmond or Danielle are part of the Others.

I think there is just the one bunker but I do think there is more than one hatch in and out ... 8 actually because of the emblem on Desmond's jumpsuit.

LuvMySayid

09-26-2005, 08:14 PM

Yep, the 3 houses represent 3 different groups' headquarters/living area. The one at the far right bottom is Desmond's. The shaft of the "arrow" is the shaft down the hatch and Desmond's stove, bed, and quarters are clear on (only) one of the composite murals posted here. The other two houses could be the camps of other groups, yes, but might also indicate 2 other hatches. If so, they are probably disguised somehow. Using the sun to determine direction, it looks like we could say "up" on the mural is North, "left" is West and "right" is east, with "down" being South. West and South both have clear habitats (for lack of a better term) and the East one is more in the center of the mural, but clearly East of the sun. I don't see a North, but as there is such a huge area of dark in the Northeast, might that habitat be the caves (where Adam and Eve are located)? And thus, the North habitat?

My friend at work lightened and printed the best cap of the mural on a high-quality color printer and we have studied it off and on all day. There is a white face on the left and black face on the right. Adam and Eve, who were clearly of 2 different races. Represented in their burial goods by the black and white stones?

BioGal

09-26-2005, 08:44 PM

If we think of the mural as a map, could the upper right corner be The Dark Territory? Maybe the sail isn't the raft, but instead The Black Rock?

LuvMySayid

09-26-2005, 09:32 PM

That's a good speculation BioGirl. And if THAT is the Black Rock, then the "sweet potato" shaped thing begins to make me think of a submarine. Look at the dome on its top. Also, follow the "cable" between it and "Sayid hanging upside down in Danielle's snare trap". If that's the cable Sayid followed, it leads to a submarine (which has been speculated by others). And a sub should have enough power to run just about any of the island's machinery, no? Granulated, I stand humbled and chastised. What was I thinking? Of course 78 rpm records went out in 1949 when 45s came in. Brain glitch. :ohwell: Mea culpa.

coupons

09-26-2005, 10:05 PM

jbdean

09-27-2005, 02:27 AM

If we think of the mural as a map, could the upper right corner be The Dark Territory? Maybe the sail isn't the raft, but instead The Black Rock?
Hot Damn! That's GOOD! It's not on water so I bet you're right and it is the Black Rock! Boy, this is so good it hurts! :24:

jbdean

09-27-2005, 02:29 AM