He was soaking wet and appeared to be shivering. What was the significance of him being wet? The Others kidnapped him and it didn't appear that he was wet then....

Did Walt come from the Ocean?
The security system made many appearances when it would rain....Is Walt being wet related to this?
I could hear wispers and Shannon reacted to hearing them....Maybe Walt figured out that in order for him to be seen, he needed to be wet. Maybe that is part of the wisperers secret..they cannot cloak themselves when soaking wet. I'm assuming the wisperers and the Others are the same here....

I'm so freaked out. That scene sent shivers up my spine. It was freaky that's for sure. I don't know the significance of Walt being wet. I think you have a great idea that maybe he has to be wet for anyone to see him. It almost looked like it was pouring down him. I'm going to have to watch it again tonight for sure. I believe he's with the Others now. Shannon heard them whispering. Was Walt whispering also? Maybe he's become one of the Others now. Soylent Green! Totally creepy. With his special gifts, whatever those are exactly, they might use him against the survivors. Kind of like a weapon.

Did anyone catch what was whispered? I couldn't get the t.v. turned up in time to hear it clearly....

And I'm still so far behind in technology, I don't have TiVo or DVR yet. LOL Poor poor pitiful me. ;)

I don't know if you guys have read any of the other posts yet, but you have to play it backwards to make out what Walt said.
it was something like:
"Don't touch the button- the button's bad".

I like the idea that Walt is one of the Others now and is a whisperer. But- is it just me or did he look many years older than the end of last season. And if so does that lend credibility to the theory that there are experiments with aging drugs on the island and that's why they need the kids.

Is he the same actor or maybe the real Walt has grown a lot.

that scene was incredible. i was truely freaked out. they did a GREAT job on that.

makes me think more and more that vincent is there for a reason...

I totally agree with the Vincent connection and the timing of his disappearance. I thought that the actor was different with Walt but I'm not sure.

I totally agree with the Vincent connection and the timing of his disappearance. I thought that the actor was different with Walt but I'm not sure.

The same actor is playing Walt..he's just a bit taller now. The Vincent sighting did seem to play a part in Walts appearance....

He was soaking wet and appeared to be shivering. What was the significance of him being wet? The Others kidnapped him and it didn't appear that he was wet then....

Did Walt come from the Ocean?
The security system made many appearances when it would rain....Is Walt being wet related to this?
I could hear wispers and Shannon reacted to hearing them....Maybe Walt figured out that in order for him to be seen, he needed to be wet. Maybe that is part of the wisperers secret..they cannot cloak themselves when soaking wet. I'm assuming the wisperers and the Others are the same here....
My guess goes back to a theory I had last season... the "Others" are amorphous, and only take form when the need arises. Back in Exodus the "thing" in the water that eventually became the USS Hobo Pirate didn't really look like a boat in the first scene looking out over the water (just prior to the commercial break with the pings).

If they are amorphous, than Walt wasn't on a boat... he was being dragged through some type of blob... which may have gotten him wet. Then, later, Vincent detects Walt nearby, and runs off. Shannon sets off to find Vincent, and when she does (going to the location Vincent was at), the whispers appear to say "she's here" etc. When Shannon hears them whispering, they're stopped, and Walt gets a moment to break free from their hiding of him. He is soaking wet, because he got wet. He was seen, because Vincent detected him, and Shannon happened to be there at the right moment to catch it.

I've long believed that Vincent is very important. In fact, I'm going to go so far as to say (for this week, anyway) that whatever the Others may want with Walt... they need Vincent too. And without Vincent, whatever they want may not go as planned.

maybe he is



under water ? there have been theories that maybe the wire led to something under water and maybe Joanna was taken while swimming to a place under water. Could be a hidden clue for a future epi. He was taken to some "place" underwater. Maybe?

Vincent looked strange too. When we first see him sitting perfectly still in the jungle, he was lit in shadows so that he looked black. When he ran away, he looked normal, but that first shot of him was very spooky. I agree that he is tied in with whatever is going on with Walt.

I also think Vincent is very important and I think he and Walt have some sort of a connection. I don't know if this was all in slow-mo but it did not look like water. It looked more dense.

What button would he be talking about? Maybe the one on the computer that Locke told him not to touch...? And Vincent DID look really creepy. I didnt think it was the dog at first, but maybe someone pretending to be the dog, I dont know. But it didnt look like a dog to me. And when Walt was talking, his lips werent in sync with what he was saying. Why was that?....So many questions. Hardy any answers.

i watched that walt scene again... the water didn't seem thicker or anything, it just looked like it was being constantly poured on him... from the underside of his face and his sleeves... and just a note, if he IS talking about pushing the button to execute, that really wouldn't make much sense... if you remember in the beginning, Desmond typed out a bunch of commands and then hit execute... SO, jack would have to know what commands need to be entered in order to execute... as it was, the prompt was only on the screen with NO command so hitting execute wouldn't have done anything at all

I think Walt is dead. In many, many novels, water is used as a symbol that recalls birth and the womb and being cleansed. Also, stories of people seeing their loved ones at the moment of the loved one's death are not uncommon. Taken together, I think the pirates (I have no better word for them because I don't know if they were a coincidence or part of the island's systems -- and I don't believe in coincidences!) who kidnapped Walt have killed him, and now Walt's powers have been enhanced and he used Vincent to get the attention of the survivors.

Maybe it's foreshadowing the same way Locke had a vision of Boone all bloody saying Theresa fall's up the stairs Theresa falls down the stairs. I guess we just have to wait and see if Shannon somehow gets near that computer and pressing the execute button puts Walt's life in jeopardy in a way that relates to water.

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While the shot of Walt I noticed something. He was dripping a dark red liquid. I couldn't get what he was aying though. He wasn't wearing his life jacket anymore, that might just be useless information, but it might help in the future.

Now Vincent, I noticed that his eyes were darker and under and above his eyes were black. I also agree that Vincent looked creepy in the scene.

This is not related about this subject but its about the radar on the boat. The dot that was blinking on the radar was on the side of the raft,not in front of the raft. And the boat that came for Walt couldn't have made such a big dot on the radar. So my guess is that someone else is out in the water that could rescue them. And scince the 'others' arn't really that human, they might not be able to show up on the radar. They shot the flare and hopefully someone will see it and save them from drowning.

In the preview the word Quarintine was on the hatch in the inside and it was written in red but in the episode it was written in a blue color.

And the man that Jack was talking to in the flashback was also the man holding the gun up to Lockes head.

During the music, I could hear Kate screaming for help. Now im sure ya'll heard that because I have horrible hearing, lol.:)

I am going to re-watch the episode again. Nothing was in the clouds this time lol.

Bye hope this was helpful for ya'll!

Hey i got an idea lol... maybe he used his super powers to swim back and that's why he's wet.... >_< yeah, didnt' think so lol.

I love the underwater place theory! Oh man that's sweet.

I just don't think that Walt is dead. I can't believe that they would kill off a child, you know? I definitely agree with everyone that Vincent will be a key player in all of this as well. After all, he was the 2nd character we were introduced to when the series started.

Good theories all :biggrin: I, unfortunately, am not bright enough as some to think of them. I love reading them though.

My guess goes back to a theory I had last season... the "Others" are amorphous, and only take form when the need arises. Back in Exodus the "thing" in the water that eventually became the USS Hobo Pirate didn't really look like a boat in the first scene looking out over the water (just prior to the commercial break with the pings).

If they are amorphous, than Walt wasn't on a boat... he was being dragged through some type of blob... which may have gotten him wet. Then, later, Vincent detects Walt nearby, and runs off. Shannon sets off to find Vincent, and when she does (going to the location Vincent was at), the whispers appear to say "she's here" etc. When Shannon hears them whispering, they're stopped, and Walt gets a moment to break free from their hiding of him. He is soaking wet, because he got wet. He was seen, because Vincent detected him, and Shannon happened to be there at the right moment to catch it.

I've long believed that Vincent is very important. In fact, I'm going to go so far as to say (for this week, anyway) that whatever the Others may want with Walt... they need Vincent too. And without Vincent, whatever they want may not go as planned.

Thats a very interesting idea about the Others being shapeless. I have been a fan of the nanobot theories and that could fit with your description. TPTB have said in interviews that nanobots are not involved....then they have added, and I'm paraphrasing here: "depending on what your definition of nanobots are".

Also If I'm not mistaken, I do believe that dogs have hightened senses. There ability to see and hear are much more enhanced than humans. Maybe what we saw was some sort of projection of Walt....maybe Vincent is able to pick up when this projection device is being used.

On a side note....does anyone remember the movie "The Abyss" by James Cameron. The water effect on Walt reminded me of some of the images of the aliens in that film.

maybe he is



under water ? there have been theories that maybe the wire led to something under water and maybe Joanna was taken while swimming to a place under water. Could be a hidden clue for a future epi. He was taken to some "place" underwater. Maybe?

I wonder also if the Hatch maybe has access to the Sea?!? It did not appear to me that Desmond ever used the hatch that Locke & friends blew open.

Vincent looked strange too. When we first see him sitting perfectly still in the jungle, he was lit in shadows so that he looked black. When he ran away, he looked normal, but that first shot of him was very spooky. I agree that he is tied in with whatever is going on with Walt.

Vincent did look creepy. I loved the lighting for this episode....

Whoa! Fantastic theories, y'all. The Walt sighting did have a surreal quality to it, like maybe it was an apparition of some type (a holographic image, maybe) and not really he. Interesting theory about the being soaking wet and the whispering! The thing that makes me tend to think it was really Walt, in the flesh, was the fact that Vincent had taken off into the woods. It seems to me that Vincent--if he smelled and/or sensed Walt nearby, would have taken off like a shot to find him. And is it possible that Walt was so dripping wet because he just came from the ocean, having escaped the others? How close was Shannon to the beach? I can't remember (will have to rewatch the episode--thank GOODNESS I taped it!!!!!!!) if she originally was at the caves or on the beach. If they were near the beach, I could see Walt being that soaking wet, but otherwise, it doesn't make sense. I mean, he was really drenched, dripping copious amounts of water. Also, the whispering, if he was really there, could be explained by the fact that he was ssssshhhhhhing her and trying to warn her to be quiet, like, maybe to warn her that the others were on his tail and she should be quiet to avoid calling attention to them both. Okay, so those are the arguments in FAVOR of the "he was really there" viewpoint, but the arguments against it are:

1. Why was he speaking in not only a whisper, but what appeared to be almost doubletalk or unintelligibly?

2. Why was he so dripping wet in the middle of the woods? Could it have been an image of Walt projected from the boat, after he tried to escape maybe and thus he was soaking? If so, WHY? Why would the others want Shannon to be quiet and stop in her tracks? Did they not want her to find Vincent?

Man, I'm going to tape every episode this season so that I can go back in between Wednesdays and STUDY!

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Thanks for the pic that is creepy.

lol, :D it creeps me out, and I made it!

P.S. I think Shannon was at the caves already when the dog went missing...right?

2. The LOST team is amazing at creating "nightmarish" scenes like the dream that Locke had (Teresa fell up and down the stairs), Jack's vision of his dead dad, the Walt sighting, etc. Excellent.

P.S. I think Shannon was at the caves already when the dog went missing...right?

2. The LOST team is amazing at creating "nightmarish" scenes like the dream that Locke had (Teresa fell up and down the stairs), Jack's vision of his dead dad, the Walt sighting, etc. Excellent.

I may be mistaken, but I believe Vincent disappeared while she was at the cave....and you are exactly right about the imagery.

soldier??

soldier??

I just deleted my message.....It was Walt! It took me a sec to make him out on my monitor!

:)

oh, lol...do you think its creepy??

oh, lol...do you think its creepy??

Oh yeah....It really fits that scene! Nice job!

:)

thank you :D

Ok, I'm gonna take this in another direction. On the inside of the hatch it says quarantine. It's more or less a forelong conclusion that whatever is outside the hatch is getting quarantined. Now alot of people have been hearing things, and seeing things. Jack has seen his dead father, Michael, Danielle, Sawyer, and Sayid have all heard the whispers.

This is the first stage of the sickness. Danielle could have avoided it all this time only to catch it from Hurley (who if you remember hugged her after she said the numbers sounded cursed). This doesnt neccessarily mean that the sickness is a physically debilitating disease. It could be mentally debilitating. Desmond might be taking a vaccine to prevent it or to keep it in check. Maybe Shannon's hearing of the whispers is part of her catching the sickness. Or maybe Walt just astral projected himsefl to her with a warning. Lets not forget that Walt's last warning was ignored.

I may be mistaken, but I believe Vincent disappeared while she was at the cave....and you are exactly right about the imagery.
Okay, well that is pretty far from the beach...unless when she was wandering through the forest looking for Vincent, she was heading back towards the beach. What I'm getting at is, it would all depend on how close she was to breaking out of the forest and being at the beach as far as is it plausible that Walt would be soaking wet like that. He was just absolutely drenched. Dang, the more I think about it, even if they were very close to the beach, no way would he be that soaking wet if he had even had to walk up the beach and into the woods...there would not have been water dripping off of him. WEIRDNESS!!!!!!

I think the writers are trying to drive us slowly mad. Run, hide, or die!

I may be mistaken, but I believe Vincent disappeared while she was at the cave....and you are exactly right about the imagery.
Okay, well that is pretty far from the beach...unless when she was wandering through the forest looking for Vincent, she was heading back towards the beach. What I'm getting at is, it would all depend on how close she was to breaking out of the forest and being at the beach as far as is it plausible that Walt would be soaking wet like that. He was just absolutely drenched. Dang, the more I think about it, even if they were very close to the beach, no way would he be that soaking wet if he had even had to walk up the beach and into the woods...there would not have been water dripping off of him. WEIRDNESS!!!!!!

I think the writers are trying to drive us slowly mad. Run, hide, or die!
:fear3:

This doesnt neccessarily mean that the sickness is a physically debilitating disease. It could be mentally debilitating. Desmond might be taking a vaccine to prevent it or to keep it in check.

Hmm...that would be something if Desmond is the truly only uninfected sane (not sick) person among the group right now.

lol, :D it creeps me out, and I made it!


ROFL, you MADE that. You owe me a new jaw now, due to my jaw breaking when it hit the floor. I dont have a copy of the episode here so I couldnt go check it. But that if it was a actual picture would have blew my mind for sure.:mad:

haha, lol, I just photoshopped Walt into Desmonds hatch, ewww, its creeps me out

Okay, well that is pretty far from the beach...unless when she was wandering through the forest looking for Vincent, she was heading back towards the beach. What I'm getting at is, it would all depend on how close she was to breaking out of the forest and being at the beach as far as is it plausible that Walt would be soaking wet like that. He was just absolutely drenched. Dang, the more I think about it, even if they were very close to the beach, no way would he be that soaking wet if he had even had to walk up the beach and into the woods...there would not have been water dripping off of him. WEIRDNESS!!!!!!

I think the writers are trying to drive us slowly mad. Run, hide, or die!
:fear3:

Here's a far out idea...what if there are tunnels under the island, and they are filled with water or something liquid like that allows people to travel all under the island!?

like underground rivers or canals?? but why??

like underground rivers or canals?? but why??

Maybe they were mining tunnels but filled up with water over time.... maybe Walt was being held in a cavern or something like that...he could have swam out.

yea...I still think he's dead...

Actually I do think that Walt will be joining the others. But I also think that the others and the whisperers are two different groups. For all we know the Whisperers are the dead who havent been able to leave the island. Walts last act of free will could have been his warning to Shannon, he could have been trying to communicate to Vincent (To say goodbye) but Shannon stumbled on it. Even with him growing closer to Michael, he still is closer to his dog then his father.

and, eh doesn't know where Michael is, Michaels still out in the water somewhere...

yea...I still think he's dead...

Thats definitely one of the theories floating out there right now....I just think Walt's being wet is somehow related to the rain we would often see when the security system would make it's appearances.

Maybe the Others and the Security System are foes of each other. Whoever is controlling the security system has maybe figured out that when things are really wet...the Others can be seen. What if the Others use a cloak to get around the island and large amounts of water somehow exposes them. I can see the Security system making it rain to expose them....another far out idea.

maybe...thats actually a good theory :D

maybe...thats actually a good theory :D
I think I'll go and post that idea in the theory forum!

:)

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Here's another idea on Walt being wet....maybe the Others figured out that if Walt is covered in enough water...he can't use his mental powers. Maybe that was why what he was saying was so muffled.

hehehe

Maybe Shannon's hearing of the whispers is part of her catching the sickness.

Oooh...interesing.

I agree a lot with LockeFan's postulations.

My theories and arguments against them.

1. It wasn't really Walt but some illusion created by the Others.
my main problem with this: if it was an illusion created by the Others, why was "Walt" giving Shannon (and thus the other survivors) a warning? Why would the Others give an alert to the Lostaways that the Raftaways may have run into some serious trouble?

2. It was Walt but he somehow astrally projected himself to Shannon, by way of Vincent (using him as a psychic antennae or something), specifically to give the Lostaways a warning. The "water" being a symbol of emotion and the psyche was somehow necessary to him projecting himself psychically.
my main problem: no proof it was an astral projection, plus no proof it was actually Walt...though...it would make sense that Walt would try to warn the Lostaways if he could and if he really is "Special" perhaps he took his one shot to do "something special" before The Others completely took over his psyche. No evidence of what importance the "water" had other than Walt was taken at sea.

3. It was Walt's astral twin projecting himself on the island because he is still at sea on the USS Seabilly Kidnapper and due to his connection with Vincent, Vincent was actually the conduit that received the psychic message. Shannon, due to *her* connection to Vincent therefore was able to "see" what Vincent was seeing.
my main problem: no evidence of what is happening in the doggie's mind, besides how would Vincent know what "the button" would refer to? That message had to be for a comprehending person.


That aside, did anyone find anything significant in the other Lostaways' reactions when Shannon returned to camp? Sun immediately interprets Shannon's freak-out as something having happened to the raft. Is that because she has a connection with Jin, and Shannon seeing "Walt" in the jungle somehow confirmed a gut feeling she had?

Some interesting ideas but some of them have a few holes in them.

If it was really Walt, why did he disappear when Sayid came back?

My gut feeling s about this scene are that Walt was able to create a "sending" and for reasons I don't know, picked that spot. Vincent didn't run off but ran to that location, sensing Walt the way animals are said to sense earthquakes and spirits. Walt may have draw Vincent there, hoping Shannon would follow since she was looking after him.

He wasn't strong wnough to sustain the sending so he vanished before Sayid could see him.

I do think he was trying to warn the group of some danger.

Some interesting ideas but some of them have a few holes in them.

If it was really Walt, why did he disappear when Sayid came back?

My gut feeling s about this scene are that Walt was able to create a "sending" and for reasons I don't know, picked that spot. Vincent didn't run off but ran to that location, sensing Walt the way animals are said to sense earthquakes and spirits. Walt may have draw Vincent there, hoping Shannon would follow since she was looking after him.

He wasn't strong wnough to sustain the sending so he vanished before Sayid could see him.

I do think he was trying to warn the group of some danger.

And likewise, he wasn't strong enough to transmit his message forwards?

here is a question. Walt was talking backwards when he spoke to shannon. I dont know anyone that is able to speak backwards. could be attributed to his strange *abilities*. Maybe it was put into the show to throw us all off or to mess with out heads. Maybe it was a recording (aka not the real walt). I dont like this theory. I just find it surprising that he is able to talk so fluently backwards and have his lips not match up with his voice (when he is wispering to her). I am starting to lean twords this being a halucination... but I really dont know for sure.

My wild wet Walt theory.

He just came from comforting Michael in the ocean???

liz_lost_fan, the picture you posted has changed to Desmonds living room, could you repost Walt in the Hatch for me please, I missed it.

here is a question. Walt was talking backwards when he spoke to shannon. I dont know anyone that is able to speak backwards. could be attributed to his strange *abilities*. Maybe it was put into the show to throw us all off or to mess with out heads. Maybe it was a recording (aka not the real walt). I dont like this theory. I just find it surprising that he is able to talk so fluently backwards and have his lips not match up with his voice (when he is wispering to her). I am starting to lean twords this being a halucination... but I really dont know for sure.
He wasn't only "talking backwards" as his shirt changed to negative colors compared to the shirt he was wearing on the raft (black/white reversed). So everything about him was "backwards" maybe? Can anyone confirm? Maybe his lips didn't match up because "real Walt" was thinking forward but "vision Walt" was somehow reversed like a photo negative?

He wasn't only "talking backwards" as his shirt changed to negative colors compared to the shirt he was wearing on the raft (black/white reversed). So everything about him was "backwards" maybe?

I don't mean to blow anyone's mind here, but couldn't his shirt be black because it is wet and it is at night? And then he couldn't possibly be wet because he's projecting himself from the ocean, which is wet, because he just escaped from the people that kidnapped him? I'm going to go home and find out what the little guy is saying, but I'm pretty sure its not backward talk, its more like a bad dub of a movie and a bad transmission mixed.

I don't mean to blow anyone's mind here, but couldn't his shirt be black because it is wet and it is at night? And then he couldn't possibly be wet because he's projecting himself from the ocean, which is wet, because he just escaped from the people that kidnapped him? I'm going to go home and find out what the little guy is saying, but I'm pretty sure its not backward talk, its more like a bad dub of a movie and a bad transmission mixed.

In Exodus he was wearing an off-white (beige?) shirt with a black stripe. In MoSMoF it appeared reversed. Am I dreaming this?

What if the Whisperers and the Walt-nappers are two different groups and Maybe the Walt sighting was the Whisperers way of getting info to the survivors. Because he was very wet and seemed out of sync with the audio maybe it was some kind of projected (digital or something) image of Walt talking at another time and place that was recorded and replayed (maybe by that little army of nanobots that is securing the island, not a popular theory with me but it fits with this one) and meant for Shannon to see. Maybe that's why it disappeared so quickly, the recording ended.

liz_lost_fan, the picture you posted has changed to Desmonds living room, could you repost Walt in the Hatch for me please, I missed it.
same here. I'd like to see the hatch picture. I bet that's even scarier -- the living room picture is scary enough. :shock1:

I heard some of ya'lls theorys. They were cool and conrfusing and I didn't get most of them, like always

But me and my mom ran through some theorys . Ya'll had asked about why he looked like he was getting water poured on his head. I had always said there was something behind the waterfall. So we thought that he was being projected through the waterfall, and that might be the reason that water is pouring on his head.

When the "others" and Walt got back to the island. He probabley took of his life jacket so he could make a run for it even faster.

Waterfall water is pretty cold so that could explain why he is shivering?:undecide:

But why he is talking different, i do not know.

When Shannon saw Vincent, the dog ran through the woods right through where Walt would be standing. So how could Walt be there without Vincent knowing, and how could Walt come so quiet. He was obvioulsy being projected, because he dissappeard in a flash. :ohwell: please tell me if you think im crazy, and this is a stupid guess.

Im just making random guesses.

He wasn't only "talking backwards" as his shirt changed to negative colors compared to the shirt he was wearing on the raft (black/white reversed). So everything about him was "backwards" maybe? Can anyone confirm? Maybe his lips didn't match up because "real Walt" was thinking forward but "vision Walt" was somehow reversed like a photo negative?

If that were true wouldn't Walt's skin be white? :biggrin:

I do think the people who kidnapped Walt and the Whisperers are different groups. The Whisperers don't seem to mean any harm or really do anything to the survivors. Maybe they can't.

Perhaps Walt got away from the seabillys and is with the Whisperers now. Maybe they are teaching him how to use his "special-ness" but he hasn't got it right yet, hence the poor communications and strange appearance.

As usual, we don't have mear enough information to do anytrhing but flounder.

But ain't it fun? :biggrin:

Waterfall water is pretty cold so that could explain why he is shivering?:undecide:

He looked really cold to me, too. I think you're right, freshwater from a waterfall would be very chilly.

Interesting......:ohwell:

I think it was just stressed-out Shannon's hallucination, like stressed-out Jack hallucinated his father. I'm clinging to the hope that the series will stick to the "grounded in reality" theme, and none of this "astral projection" stuff. The only way Walt could be that soaking wet was if he just climbed out from under a waterfall, or river, or something like a swimming pool or dunk tank, and I highly doubt any of these was in the middle of the jungle, which was not close to the shore. Shannon feels guilt over losing Vincent. When the raft crew took off, Walt didn't have on his lifejacket yet, so Shannon wouldn't have pictured him wearing it. It did look like the same shirt, gray with the yellow horizontal stripe, which probably did need a good washing.

I heard some of ya'lls theorys. They were cool and conrfusing and I didn't get most of them, like always

But me and my mom ran through some theorys . Ya'll had asked about why he looked like he was getting water poured on his head. I had always said there was something behind the waterfall. So we thought that he was being projected through the waterfall, and that might be the reason that water is pouring on his head.

When the "others" and Walt got back to the island. He probabley took of his life jacket so he could make a run for it even faster.

Waterfall water is pretty cold so that could explain why he is shivering?:undecide:

But why he is talking different, i do not know.

When Shannon saw Vincent, the dog ran through the woods right through where Walt would be standing. So how could Walt be there without Vincent knowing, and how could Walt come so quiet. He was obvioulsy being projected, because he dissappeard in a flash. :ohwell: please tell me if you think im crazy, and this is a stupid guess.

Im just making random guesses.

Lost In Homework - I love this. It looked like water was continuously being poured on him, and the waterfall is the perfect explanation. There could be a big cavern behind the waterfall with who knows what's in it.

I personally got side tracked by Sawyer and Kate in their undies and the dead people in the bottom of the water.

Waterfall where did we see one. Maybe Shannon will look for and find Kate and Sawyers waterfall. Which never got a lot of attention

Waterfall where did we see one. Maybe Shannon will look for and find Kate and Sawyers waterfall. Which never got a lot of attention

Yeah, I hope we learn more about that waterfall.....maybe it does play a larger role in the scheme of things.

:smile:

Another reason I think the waterfall is important is because Boone said, "Theresa falls up the stairs, Theresa falls down the stairs" and when we searched around the web, we found a Theresa Falls on an island near Australia. Theresa Falls was the name of a waterfall near where you could stay the night or picnic and go on nature hikes and stuff. The island has the same kind of long skinny trees we see on Lost too.

There's just something about waterfalls that stays with me.

:rolleyes:

Just a quick item on the Walt scene. Watch Shannon running through the bushes...you'll see a shadow of someone lifting there arm and at that exact moment Shannon trips. I ran it in slo-mo with the wife...showed it to her and then at normal speed...it is NOT Shannon's shadow but another shadow that purposely tripped her. Cool beans.

He was soaking wet and appeared to be shivering. What was the significance of him being wet? The Others kidnapped him and it didn't appear that he was wet then....

Did Walt come from the Ocean?
The security system made many appearances when it would rain....Is Walt being wet related to this?
I could hear wispers and Shannon reacted to hearing them....Maybe Walt figured out that in order for him to be seen, he needed to be wet. Maybe that is part of the wisperers secret..they cannot cloak themselves when soaking wet. I'm assuming the wisperers and the Others are the same here....
My theory is actually two.

1] Vincent led Shannon to where she could "see" Walt. But Walt wasn't really there. It was a like an out-of-body experience. This one doesn't explain the wet Walt. But he might have been wet because of those on the raft going in the water and the raft being destroyed. Simbolism.

2] Walt was seen by Shannon because of Vincent (he and Walt are connected mentally). But we were not really seeing Walt. We were seeing Michael as Walt. Vincent is connected mentally to Walt and Walt is connected mentally to Vincent and Michael. Michael went into the water, so we see a wet Walt.

i watched that walt scene again... the water didn't seem thicker or anything, it just looked like it was being constantly poured on him... from the underside of his face and his sleeves... and just a note, if he IS talking about pushing the button to execute, that really wouldn't make much sense... if you remember in the beginning, Desmond typed out a bunch of commands and then hit execute... SO, jack would have to know what commands need to be entered in order to execute... as it was, the prompt was only on the screen with NO command so hitting execute wouldn't have done anything at all
Unless it was already set to do something bad if you just hit execute. Think of this ... if a computer is set to, let's say, set off a count down to blow something up (like the bunker they're in), it would need a code to by-pass it. But if someone didn't know the code and messed with the computer, it would know it had been invaded by someone that wasn't supposed to be using it and, as protection, would begin the process to protect whatever it was set to protect.

I think Walt is dead. In many, many novels, water is used as a symbol that recalls birth and the womb and being cleansed. Also, stories of people seeing their loved ones at the moment of the loved one's death are not uncommon. Taken together, I think the pirates (I have no better word for them because I don't know if they were a coincidence or part of the island's systems -- and I don't believe in coincidences!) who kidnapped Walt have killed him, and now Walt's powers have been enhanced and he used Vincent to get the attention of the survivors.
I'm sorry but there is no way Walt would have been killed off. He is vital to the story. The people on the boat didn't take him just to kill him. If they wanted him dead, they'd have shot him while he was on the raft. They obviously need him alive.

http://www.blogupload.com/29026/desmond_walt_copy.jpg
Holleeee Krap, Liz! That pix scared the life out of me! I literally got tears in my eyes and my heart started racing! Don't EVER do that to me again!!!!!!!!! :eek:

I agree a lot with LockeFan's postulations.

My theories and arguments against them.

1. It wasn't really Walt but some illusion created by the Others.
my main problem with this: if it was an illusion created by the Others, why was "Walt" giving Shannon (and thus the other survivors) a warning? Why would the Others give an alert to the Lostaways that the Raftaways may have run into some serious trouble?

2. It was Walt but he somehow astrally projected himself to Shannon, by way of Vincent (using him as a psychic antennae or something), specifically to give the Lostaways a warning. The "water" being a symbol of emotion and the psyche was somehow necessary to him projecting himself psychically.
my main problem: no proof it was an astral projection, plus no proof it was actually Walt...though...it would make sense that Walt would try to warn the Lostaways if he could and if he really is "Special" perhaps he took his one shot to do "something special" before The Others completely took over his psyche. No evidence of what importance the "water" had other than Walt was taken at sea.

3. It was Walt's astral twin projecting himself on the island because he is still at sea on the USS Seabilly Kidnapper and due to his connection with Vincent, Vincent was actually the conduit that received the psychic message. Shannon, due to *her* connection to Vincent therefore was able to "see" what Vincent was seeing.
my main problem: no evidence of what is happening in the doggie's mind, besides how would Vincent know what "the button" would refer to? That message had to be for a comprehending person.


That aside, did anyone find anything significant in the other Lostaways' reactions when Shannon returned to camp? Sun immediately interprets Shannon's freak-out as something having happened to the raft. Is that because she has a connection with Jin, and Shannon seeing "Walt" in the jungle somehow confirmed a gut feeling she had?

I really lean toward your projection theory ... I call it an out-of-body experience (which is another term for projection). And I do think that Sun jumped at Shannon's seeing Walt as being connected to the raft. Why wouldn't she? Walt was on the raft and so was Jin. If Shannon said she saw Walt, then it's natural that Sun would wonder if Jin was involved.

here is a question. Walt was talking backwards when he spoke to shannon. I dont know anyone that is able to speak backwards. could be attributed to his strange *abilities*. Maybe it was put into the show to throw us all off or to mess with out heads. Maybe it was a recording (aka not the real walt). I dont like this theory. I just find it surprising that he is able to talk so fluently backwards and have his lips not match up with his voice (when he is wispering to her). I am starting to lean twords this being a halucination... but I really dont know for sure.
If this is the first time Walt has done this, projecting himself, it would not be unusual to think that he couldn't do it right. Like sending a weak signal. We can hear it but not see it or see it but no sound or the sound is garbled. Nothing so far leads us to think that Walt has been doing this kind of thing all of his life. Not to mention how much stress he must be under right now with being taken and not knowing if his father, Sawyer and Jin are still alive or if they will drown. All that put together would make for a jerky transmission, IMHO.

My wild wet Walt theory.

He just came from comforting Michael in the ocean???

liz_lost_fan, the picture you posted has changed to Desmonds living room, could you repost Walt in the Hatch for me please, I missed it.
No, it hasn't, Walt! I thought so too. But look again, more closely, in the right hand corner just above the brown end table. But be prepared ...

I heard some of ya'lls theorys. They were cool and conrfusing and I didn't get most of them, like always

But me and my mom ran through some theorys . Ya'll had asked about why he looked like he was getting water poured on his head. I had always said there was something behind the waterfall. So we thought that he was being projected through the waterfall, and that might be the reason that water is pouring on his head.

When the "others" and Walt got back to the island. He probabley took of his life jacket so he could make a run for it even faster.

Waterfall water is pretty cold so that could explain why he is shivering?:undecide:

But why he is talking different, i do not know.

When Shannon saw Vincent, the dog ran through the woods right through where Walt would be standing. So how could Walt be there without Vincent knowing, and how could Walt come so quiet. He was obvioulsy being projected, because he dissappeard in a flash. :ohwell: please tell me if you think im crazy, and this is a stupid guess.

Im just making random guesses.
That's interesting about being behind the waterfall. I had thought of there being something behind it (or another waterfall), too. That would explain the water and shivering.

If that were true wouldn't Walt's skin be white? :biggrin:

I do think the people who kidnapped Walt and the Whisperers are different groups. The Whisperers don't seem to mean any harm or really do anything to the survivors. Maybe they can't.

Perhaps Walt got away from the seabillys and is with the Whisperers now. Maybe they are teaching him how to use his "special-ness" but he hasn't got it right yet, hence the poor communications and strange appearance.

As usual, we don't have mear enough information to do anytrhing but flounder.

But ain't it fun? :biggrin:
What IF the whispers are the projected voices of the Others talking among themselves and some can hear them? The way I think Walt was projected to Shannon, perhaps the Others' voices project.

I think it was just stressed-out Shannon's hallucination, like stressed-out Jack hallucinated his father. I'm clinging to the hope that the series will stick to the "grounded in reality" theme, and none of this "astral projection" stuff. The only way Walt could be that soaking wet was if he just climbed out from under a waterfall, or river, or something like a swimming pool or dunk tank, and I highly doubt any of these was in the middle of the jungle, which was not close to the shore. Shannon feels guilt over losing Vincent. When the raft crew took off, Walt didn't have on his lifejacket yet, so Shannon wouldn't have pictured him wearing it. It did look like the same shirt, gray with the yellow horizontal stripe, which probably did need a good washing.
I know the writers have told us this but more and more seems to be unexplainable with simple everyday logic. And, for what it's worth, out-of-body experiences are fact. They have happened to a lot of people ... me included. :smile:

Waterfall where did we see one. Maybe Shannon will look for and find Kate and Sawyers waterfall. Which never got a lot of attention
The waterfall is by the caves where they get the fresh water.

:smile:

Another reason I think the waterfall is important is because Boone said, "Theresa falls up the stairs, Theresa falls down the stairs" and when we searched around the web, we found a Theresa Falls on an island near Australia. Theresa Falls was the name of a waterfall near where you could stay the night or picnic and go on nature hikes and stuff. The island has the same kind of long skinny trees we see on Lost too.

There's just something about waterfalls that stays with me.

:rolleyes:
That is an amazing find! And so like something the writers would have used! Good one!! :biggrin:

Just a quick item on the Walt scene. Watch Shannon running through the bushes...you'll see a shadow of someone lifting there arm and at that exact moment Shannon trips. I ran it in slo-mo with the wife...showed it to her and then at normal speed...it is NOT Shannon's shadow but another shadow that purposely tripped her. Cool beans.
Stop that! Between you and the shadowy arm tripping Shannon and Liz's pix of Walt, I'm going to have nightmares tonight! LOL

Aloha,
just a note about Walt and the water. If you look walt still has part of the life preserver on it's just over his shoulders. At times he appears to be holding the starps.
As for his appearing to Shannon, he knows she was taking care of Vincent and would not lose him. so he made vincent come to the spot he could appear to her, around water. It looked like a projection and it was backwards, that is why he spoke backwards. he did say the button is bad, tell Locke the botton is bad. shortly after Locke tells Jack I wouldn't touch tha if i were you. so since Locke knows Walt has special talents he got the message.
It is the same actor. he has just grown some.

Aloha,
just a note about Walt and the water. If you look walt still has part of the life preserver on it's just over his shoulders. At times he appears to be holding the starps.
As for his appearing to Shannon, he knows she was taking care of Vincent and would not lose him. so he made vincent come to the spot he could appear to her, around water. It looked like a projection and it was backwards, that is why he spoke backwards. he did say the button is bad, tell Locke the botton is bad. shortly after Locke tells Jack I wouldn't touch tha if i were you. so since Locke knows Walt has special talents he got the message.
It is the same actor. he has just grown some.
He had to have told Shannon that before Locke told Jack not to touch the button because Locke tells that to Jack in the last moments of the show and Walt appears near the beginning. And if he told Shannon after the fact, it wouldn't make sense that Locke would know. But I hadn't thought about the message having gotten to Locke. Maybe the next show will tell just how Locke knew the button should not be pressed.

Like the shadow story beercan12oz- is there is screencap on this ??

Has anyone noticed walts shirt?
at the end of season one his shirt was white, but when shannon saw him in the jungle it was black.
a parallel to bacgammon.

To me, the "water" seemed more like a goo. Maybe ectoplasm? :confused:

Kudos to Beercan for noting the shadow as Shannon falls. I didn't see it, but if you play it back in real time you can clearly hear something that sounds like someone hitting her and/or tripping her just before she falls.

:smile:

Another reason I think the waterfall is important is because Boone said, "Theresa falls up the stairs, Theresa falls down the stairs" and when we searched around the web, we found a Theresa Falls on an island near Australia. Theresa Falls was the name of a waterfall near where you could stay the night or picnic and go on nature hikes and stuff. The island has the same kind of long skinny trees we see on Lost too.

There's just something about waterfalls that stays with me.

:rolleyes:

Excellent! Thanks for sharing that info...I didn't know that.

Woot Lost in homework !!! More waterfall clues, love it.

Too funny, I was looking around the lage for a pik I saw of a statue beside the couch, and lo and behold it's the pik Liz posted, that I said I couldn't see and asked her to post it again. lol

Liz lost fan Walt in the Hatch (http://www2.blogupload.com/29026/desmond_walt_copy.jpg)

Woot Lost in homework !!! More waterfall clues, love it.

Too funny, I was looking around the lage for a pik I saw of a statue beside the couch, and lo and behold it's the pik Liz posted, that I said I couldn't see and asked her to post it again. lol

Liz lost fan Walt in the Hatch (http://www2.blogupload.com/29026/desmond_walt_copy.jpg)
Walt, that pix scared the juice outta' me! LOL

To me, the "water" seemed more like a goo. Maybe ectoplasm? :confused:

Could Slimer from Ghostbusters be on the island? Maybe he's the mysterious black smoke. :harhar1: :lol1: :harhar1:

Woot Lost in homework !!! More waterfall clues, love it.


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You'll like this then! Go to http://www.paronellapark.com.au/index.html and click on the History page. Read about the staircase and see a picture that looks creepily like something in Locke's "Theresa Falls up the stairs" dream.

The picture might freak you out a little.

:lipsseal:

:biggrin:

You'll like this then! Go to http://www.paronellapark.com.au/index.html and click on the History page. Read about the staircase and see a picture that looks creepily like something in Locke's "Theresa Falls up the stairs" dream.

The picture might freak you out a little.

:lipsseal:

We came across this site last season, and thought the dude with his arm up in the air looks eeirly like Locke's mom in the jungle in her fur coat. DOH just reread what you posted. That's what you meant.

It'll come around

Yeah, we found the site a long time ago but I figured some new people hadn't seen it.

Anyway, this bit from the site kinda adds to my whole waterfall thing:

"Upwards of 7000 trees were planted by José. These included the magnificent Kauris lining Kauri Avenue. A Tunnel was excavated through a small hill. Above its entrances are the delightful stonework balconies. Walking through here brings you to spring fed Teresa Falls, named for his daughter."

So am I reading that right? The tunnel goes through the hill so would it be "behind the waterfall"? I swear I read somweher that you could stand behind the falls in like a cave or tunnel. Sounds pretty neat.

I admit I read through this thread quicky but did anyone mention that it looks like Walt is covered with a kind of slime, not water? Stop the video when it is close on Walt's face and he has this "glob" hanging from his chin. Doesn't look like water to me.

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You'll like this then! Go to http://www.paronellapark.com.au/index.html and click on the History page. Read about the staircase and see a picture that looks creepily like something in Locke's "Theresa Falls up the stairs" dream.

The picture might freak you out a little.

:lipsseal:
Do you mean the guy pointing?

The sailing away and Walt-napping scene were taped around the same time, but I'm thinking that the crew/actors had a bit of time off, and by the time they taped Walt's creepy-in-the-water scene, he had grown like the proveribal weed!
Malcolm David Kelley is 14, and I know my son went through a summer growth spurt at 13 and 14, the first one he grew 5 inches (!) and the second summer he went from looking like a 'older little boy' to a 'young man.'

It is my belief that Walt has been put into a sensory deprivation chamber/tank otherwise known as a floataion tank.

You may have seen one in the movie Altered States starring william hurt , I believe. and more recently Daredevil .

They are used mainly for meditation.purposes , but can be used for brainwashing, and in Walts case possibly strengthening his psychic abilities.When there is no outside stimuli all thats left is internal.

This would also give reason for Walt not to have all the answers if he returns this season.

It is my belief that Walt has been put into a sensory deprivation chamber/tank otherwise known as a floataion tank.

You may have seen one in the movie Altered States starring william hurt , I believe. and more recently Daredevil .

They are used mainly for meditation.purposes , but can be used for brainwashing, and in Walts case possibly strengthening his psychic abilities.When there is no outside stimuli all thats left is internal.

This would also give reason for Walt not to have all the answers if he returns this season.


That would account for Walt being wet but not for it appearing as if water were running over and down his body. In a SDT the water is still, not running.

Yeah I don't think thats it anymore besides your observations RH56 the timing seems off now after adrift

My tuppence ha'penny:

The whispering is actually communications going on underground. Shannan manages to somehow hear these (perhaps the underground rooms/tunnels are very shallow here), and in her exhausted state she hallucinates based on what she hears. So, the conversation may be something along the lines of: "We have the boy, Walt. We blew the raft apart". Shannan's unconcious mind then produces the image of Walt, dripping wet in front of her.

Similarly, this may be why Sayid and Sawyer hear the whispering - they are close to a shallow part of the underground structure.

My tuppence ha'penny:
The whispering is actually communications going on underground. Shannan manages to somehow hear these (perhaps the underground rooms/tunnels are very shallow here.

Yeah, I presented that theory last season and nobody really latched onto it. :(

But I thought it made sense - especially now that we know Desmond lives underground. At the time I thought the Others lived underground and their conversations were being heard in snatches as whispers because their voices were floating up a shaft, or air vent. Still may be possible.......

:)