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elfdream
09-22-2005, 08:00 AM
Ok..when Charlie was spouting off that there 'were no others' and he obviously doesn't believe in the 'whispers (don't get too mad at him-he doesn't know what we 'know' ;) why did Sayid remain silent? He could have said "Despite what we saw tonight I believe Danielle is telling the truth because I also heard the whispers!'

Why didn't he say anything? Was it because he himself was not sure what he had heard? That he didn't want to creat panic?

Would he, as a rational man not willing to be seen as someone who believed in something so 'irriational'?

I thought he could have at least taken Charlie aside and said "Keep quiet about all this-you don't know ALL the facts' or something similar.

His strange looks and his saying very little about it...bugged me a bit. I don't know what I was expecting him to do about it though...

Alkcalien
09-22-2005, 10:12 AM
I noticed that Sayid was watching Charlie VERY closely during this episode. He broke away only to help Shannon find Vincent.

I'm wondering if Charlie sampled his new heroin stash, and Sayid not just a bit suspicious. Remember, Sayid seemed to believe that Sun spoke English way back at the beginning, before everyone learned about it in "In Translation."

garuda
09-22-2005, 10:16 AM
If he did he'd likely be nodding by the fire, not giving reassuring speeches.

Mr.James
09-22-2005, 10:21 AM
Theres been speculation since last season that Charlie may have been in on some things concerning the "Others".....I think its possible Charlie may be a little shady......i still dont understand why he shot Ethan so fast.

elfdream
09-22-2005, 10:33 AM
I don't think its about Charlie...Charlie is only speaking of what he knows. He didn't see any others..he hasn't heard any whispers. All he has seen is a fire and a delusional Danielle.

I think Sayid just doesn't want to face up to the fact that there might be something going on that he can't explain ratinonally. Despite the fact that he believes they can only rely on Locke for survival in the real world of the island.. he is still like Jack.

I'm very interesting is seeing how he comes to terms with this. He's got to connect the two somehow..

ForeverLost19
09-23-2005, 01:07 AM
Elfdream,
My best guess as to why Sayid didn't tell everyone that he had heard whispers in the jungle is that he fears they'll think he's delusional. After all, that was his opinion of Danielle when she told him the same thing. Perhaps, he himself prefers to believe that it didn't really happen. He was sick, exhausted, maybe still under the influence of the drug she shot him up with; he could believe that what he experienced was a trick of his mind influenced by Danielle's suggestion.

And, then of course, Sayid's personality and possibly military background does not lend itself to sharing all he knows with everyone. I think he operates more on the "need to know" basis.

baryonyx
09-23-2005, 03:24 AM
My impression of it was that, in that instant, Sayid was in charge. Of the triumvirate (Jack, Locke, Sayid), he was the only one there. If he had started a public discussion with Charlie about the inaccuracies Charlie was spouting off, he'd probably rattle the people in the caves.

He was watching Charlie closely, and Charlie knew that Sayid was not happy with what he was saying. I felt the look was one of amused disappointment, almost as if he expected better but wasn't surprised at what he was seeing. Charlie was being tough and boastful, and Sayid shot him a look saying, "You know that what you're saying probably isn't true," and for what its worth, I think Charlie knows this. This is why, I think, when Sayid caught Charlie's eye, Charlie became somewhat sheepish. Sayid knew that there were bigger problems at hand than Charlie shooting his mouth off.

Sayid's silence is because of his military background and leadership role. To counter Charlie's boasting would probably have been devastating for the group, only confusing and scaring everyone else in that moment. Even if he took Charlie aside, there was a risk that the conversation would become audible. It was enough for him to let Charlie know, with a look, that it's more complicated than that. Regardless of what Charlie said, then or later, Sayid's job was to ensure safety of the survivors, not call Charlie on his BS and make things worse.

I also don't think that Sayid is avoiding reconciling that this place is strange. In fact, Sayid was one of the very first people to note that their survival shouldn't have been, and also the one telling Jack that he could think of far worse things in the hatch than being a simple place to hide. Sayid saw no footprints and didn't automatically think "there are no Others" and didn't jump to the "rational conclusion" that Danielle set the fire. No... I believe that Sayid has fully considered the mystery of the island, and is adapting to it pretty well. Sayid is by no means anything like Jack is. Jack is (or was, we'll see what meeting Desmond does to him) completely in denial about the island, a complete turnaround from what happened in White Rabbit. Sayid, I think, is in fact the most stable of the triumvirate: not as capricious as Locke, not as dense as Jack.

Peffe
09-23-2005, 03:38 AM
I think Charlie was saying what he did to comfort Claire and the other Lostaways.
And I think Sayid kept quiet because... he didn't want to get everyone riled up. When Shannon came back from the woods Sayid was trying to calm her down and telling her to be quiet about it...

I hope Sayid doesn't become Shannon's bitch... he just seems like too smart of a guy for that... imho

Andy
09-23-2005, 03:46 AM
Theres been speculation since last season that Charlie may have been in on some things concerning the "Others".....I think its possible Charlie may be a little shady......i still dont understand why he shot Ethan so fast.

:o I really like that idea!

whoknowswhy99
09-23-2005, 06:55 AM
Ok..when Charlie was spouting off that there 'were no others' and he obviously doesn't believe in the 'whispers (don't get too mad at him-he doesn't know what we 'know' ;) why did Sayid remain silent? He could have said "Despite what we saw tonight I believe Danielle is telling the truth because I also heard the whispers!'

Why didn't he say anything? Was it because he himself was not sure what he had heard? That he didn't want to creat panic?

Would he, as a rational man not willing to be seen as someone who believed in something so 'irriational'?

I thought he could have at least taken Charlie aside and said "Keep quiet about all this-you don't know ALL the facts' or something similar.

His strange looks and his saying very little about it...bugged me a bit. I don't know what I was expecting him to do about it though...

#1. I don't think Sayid is ready to admit to himself what he heard in the jungle. I think he would rather believe it was his imagination or the drugs Danielle shot him up with. Remember, he doesn't know that Sawyer (and now Shannon) have heard the whispers, too. The only one he knows heard them is the crazy French broad. He doesn't want to be in her club.

#2 Sayid does not want the people at the caves to panic. He asks Shannon to be quiet later, so as not to frighten them. As a soldier he knows what panic can do in a situation like this.

#3 Sayid knows that to contradict Charlie would just be to give more credence to what he is saying. No one is going to listen to Charlie over Jack, Locke, or Sayid anyway.

#4 Taking Charlie aside wouldn't work because Charlie wouldn't keep quiet. Sayid gives him a look, and Charlie seems to know what it means.

To Alkcalien: Sayid doesn't know about Charlie's heroin addiction, only Locke and Jack knew. So there is no reason for Sayid to watch him carefully, or suspect anything. If he had known, he never would have shown Charlie the drug plane.

Furi161
09-23-2005, 08:25 AM
Doesn't anyone else wonder why Charlie, of all people, spouts off about there not being any "others" when he himself was abducted by one?? Sayid does!

Okay, so it was Ethan (or so we assume). But they all know Ethan wasn't on the plane, so there ARE (or at least were) others. It seems a wee bit odd that Charlie would deny that fact. Sayid's silence is because he realized at that moment that Charlie's behavior doesn't make sense. Something doesn't fit. Maybe it's the heroin, or maybe it's something else. But Sayid now knows there's something not right about Charlie.

liz_lost_fan
09-23-2005, 08:53 AM
I don't think Charlie puts two and two together...he's too involved, he made it personal, and gets things all twisted...

elfdream
09-23-2005, 09:04 AM
Hurley also knows about Charlie and the drugs...and he also told Claire but I don't think she remembers that.

I was thinking perhaps Sayid could have told Charlie on the way BACK from the Black Smoke beach. A word that he might have heard the whispers, Sawyer 'may' have heard them so Danielle might NOT be the complete nutjob he thinks she is...but he could have mentioned that he was exhausted and injured at the time so he couldn't be sure....

But then again...who shares things like that on the island? Locke should have told Sayid about the recovering addict on the island ...and for that matter Charlie could have told Sayid but that's a bit of a stretch-not an easy thing for addicts to admit something like that.

The more I think about it..the more I'm convinced that Charlie is trying to convince HIMSELF that there are no others..that he killed Ethan and Danielle is a nutter and that's the end of it.