I've not been able to locate a screen capture of that scene. There was definitely a patch on his shirt just after the hatch opening. Any one catch it?

I noticed that too, but I couldn't tell what it was either.

I'd love to see a screen cap of right after Desmond zips up his work shirt. There is a pretty prominent symbol on it....

I think it was the same symbol that was on the door of the cabinet with the injections in it??? Not completely sure though.

I'll wait until I have a higher resolution verion to post, but the symbol on his jacket is defintely the same as the one on the cabinet of medicine. It's not as visible as the cabinet one, though.

http://www.lost-theseries.com/screencaps.php?view=cap&ep=35&id=NONAME_007_000_036.jpg

You can't see the patch very well though.

Not a huge help, but thanks..

The "insignia" is actually a Bagua Map, used in Fung Shui:
http://www.clevercrow.com/bagua.jpg

No pic of the patch, but here is a link to the insignia on the wall:
http://www.clevercrow.com/lost_insignia.jpg

Nice catch ceryscrow! It's definitely the same Map image. Now what is the Map used for?
Scuzzle

http://www.lost-theseries.com/screencaps.php?view=cap&ep=35&id=NONAME_007_000_036.jpg

You can't see the patch very well though.

Thanks!

More pictures of the symbol. It appears on his uniform, the locker, and on the wall...

http://home.comcast.net/~therealvertical/cap0000.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~therealvertical/cap0001.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~therealvertical/cap0002.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~therealvertical/cap0003.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~therealvertical/cap0009.jpg

Fung Shui is about balancing the elements in order to promote an ultimate flow of Chi (life force energy). You use the map to determine where and how to build your home and how to arrange it to promote the chi. The map can also be used to make adjustments to existing homes, for the same purpose.

Also, the word Chi itself means breath.

Thats an awsome find!

The emblem on his jumpsuit is an octagon with two more octagons inside the larger main one. There is a circle in the middle with something in it but I can't make that out. At each angle of the octagon there is a line going to the circle. It divides the octagon into sections that look like rows around the circle in the middle with the lines looking like walls. It also resembles as stadium with the rows looking like bleachers. But I think it's a diagram of the bunker that Desmond is in. I don't have a cap of it but could see it very well on my video.

I did a quick attempt at replicating it. You can see it here: http://lost.briandonlevy.com/images/DesmondsJumperEmblem.png

hey folks, first post.

found this on a italian board:

http://www.shaolinhungmei.org/theory2.html

108? That's interesting ...

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=502648&postcount=59

Pls dont make 10 threads on the same topic! Use NaughtyPaw's Master Observations List.

I had these pics posted on another thread:
Jumpsuit Patch (http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lostjumpsuit0sv.jpg)
and
The Computer (http://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lostcomp22ct.jpg)

I brightened the jumpsuit one a lot so you can see the patch clearly.
I also saw that the symbol is on the old computer (twice).

Great pics grumpy!

hey folks, first post.

found this on a italian board:

http://www.shaolinhungmei.org/theory2.html

108? That's interesting ...
That is an awesome find, TSOL! And that is exactly the emblem on his jumpsuit! But I still think that it's also a layout for the underground bunker. Perhaps the bunker was designed after this symbol for the reasons behind the symbol.

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TSOL Excellent find http://www.shaolinhungmei.org/theory2.html


The figure consists of 24sections - eight sides multiplied by the three lines drawn on each side. These sections represent the 24 hours in a day. The sequence of broken and solid lines shown on each side of the Pa Qua are indicative of the times during the day when our 108 critical points of the body are safe from injuries which could otherwise cause serious harm.


Jack tripped on the 24th row in the stadium

Here is a link showing that "Ba-Gua or eight-Gua is the result of the ancient Chinese binary system" Interesting...

http://www.circle-of-light.com/fengshui/bagua.html

Can anyone make out the word in the middle? On the front of the medicine cabinet there is the same symbol and it appears that the word is DHARMA.

TSOL Excellent find http://www.shaolinhungmei.org/theory2.html


The figure consists of 24sections - eight sides multiplied by the three lines drawn on each side. These sections represent the 24 hours in a day. The sequence of broken and solid lines shown on each side of the Pa Qua are indicative of the times during the day when our 108 critical points of the body are safe from injuries which could otherwise cause serious harm.


Jack tripped on the 24th row in the stadium
I KNEW there was a connection between that symbol and the stadium! I had posted in other threads (maybe even this one, too) that it looked like a stadium. Man, this is totally fun!!! :biggrin:

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Can anyone make out the word in the middle? On the front of the medicine cabinet there is the same symbol and it appears that the word is DHARMA.
Maybe it stands for Desmond Has A Really Mean Attitude ... ;) Just kidding! I'd love to see a shot of that. I only have vhs and it's not that sharp. :frown:

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I also had these posted on another thread

Octagon Symbol (http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lostoctagon2hr.jpg)
Bigger pic, but only half the octagon (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lostoctagon21im.jpg)

I'm pretty sure that it says "dharma" in the middle

EDIT: OMG Avatars are back

I think it says "DHAMMA," actually, but it means basically the same thing as dharma anyway. :smile:

I also had these posted on another thread

Octagon Symbol (http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lostoctagon2hr.jpg)
Bigger pic, but only half the octagon (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lostoctagon21im.jpg)

I'm pretty sure that it says "dharma" in the middle

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Good caps! That's on the medicine cabinet? Someone else posted about this on another Desmond thread. I wonder what that stands for? I had guessed Desmond Has A Really Mean Attitude but I don't that sounds right ... ;)

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I also had these posted on another thread

Octagon Symbol (http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lostoctagon2hr.jpg)
Bigger pic, but only half the octagon (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lostoctagon21im.jpg)

I'm pretty sure that it says "dharma" in the middle

EDIT: OMG Avatars are back
Here are links to DHARMA I found on google:

http://www.dharmanet.org/

http://aboutdharma.org/

http://www.dharma.org/

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/5215/

http://www.dharma-haven.org/

http://www.kalavinka.org/

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We're working hard on this one for the Long Lost List website. Have you guys come to any conclusions?

We're working hard on this one for the Long Lost List website. Have you guys come to any conclusions?
Yup, the pieces around the outside are from the I Ching.
See http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/hotupakua.gif
and http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/ichgene6.html

Thank you. I know there is mumbles about the ba gua ?

Some thoughts about the symbol on Desmond’s coveralls, the medicine chest, etc.

The eight symbols are the eight basic trigrams that compose the I Ching. All eight of them are depicted in the logo. The lines that compose the trigrams are either continuous or broken. The continuous lines represent Yang, the light side of the Tao, whereas the broken lines represent Yin, the dark aspect of the Tao. The trigrams combine in pairs to create hexagrams, of which there are 64 (23 x 2). I’m no expert on the I Ching, my brush with hippidom being a few years behind me now, but these particular clues seem pretty damn significant. Incidentally, there are I Ching hexagrams that correpond to all of The Numbers:

4: Enveloping or folly
8: Grouping or Alliance
15: Humbling or Modesty
16: Providing For or Enthusiasm or Excess
23: Stripping or Splitting Apart
42: Augmenting or Increasing

Also note that these trigrams are a prominent feature on the flag of South Korea, along with the Yin-Yang. The trigrams depicted therein represent Earth, fire, water, and Heaven.

Does this look like the patch on Desmonds shirt to you guys?
http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vodka11rv.jpg

We're working hard on this one for the Long Lost List website. Have you guys come to any conclusions?
Here is a perfect replica of his emblem: http://www.shaolinhungmei.org/theory2.html

Does this look like the patch on Desmonds shirt to you guys?
http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vodka11rv.jpg
It does, kind of, but the image of Desmond is too dark for me to tell. I did find the 2 headed Firebird (what's on his shirt) on a shield that was used during the time of the Knights Templar. I feel there may be a connection to them. (The Holy Grail?)

I agree, jbdean...not only the Emblem, but the pentagon/pentagram around it, may imply some sort of connection (the pentagram or five pointed star is a symbol of Venus, whose trajectory around the Sun describes that shape, taking this 8 years to complete)

"In an epoch when the Christian moral reduced the woman to a secondary role, not to say peripherical, excluding her from the clergy, the Templars decorated their Temple with the Flamed Star with five corners, symbolising Venus, goddess of love. They respected and adored the woman, lifting her even above the moral status of the man. An article of their secret Regulation stipulated explicitly: „Ne ordo diffamaretur pro mulieribus" (that is the Order must not be libelled to women)."
I found it here:
http://www.masonicforum.ro/en/nr21/templars.html
I thought it was biased but interesting.

I agree, jbdean...not only the Emblem, but the pentagon/pentagram around it, may imply some sort of connection (the pentagram or five pointed star is a symbol of Venus, whose trajectory around the Sun describes that shape, taking this 8 years to complete)

"In an epoch when the Christian moral reduced the woman to a secondary role, not to say peripherical, excluding her from the clergy, the Templars decorated their Temple with the Flamed Star with five corners, symbolising Venus, goddess of love. They respected and adored the woman, lifting her even above the moral status of the man. An article of their secret Regulation stipulated explicitly: „Ne ordo diffamaretur pro mulieribus" (that is the Order must not be libelled to women)."
I found it here:
http://www.masonicforum.ro/en/nr21/templars.html
I thought it was biased but interesting.
I think it would be cool if the Knights Templar were involved! And it's interesting on that other stuff you posted.

More on the I Ching, binary code, the patch & Hurley's numbers

There are traditionally eight trigrams, the basic "blocks" of the I Ching upon which all the other hexagrams are based.

If you start at the top, the trigrams are lake/openness/joyous, fire/intelligence/clinging, earth/yielding/receptive, wind/entering/gentleness, heaven/force/creative, water/difficulty/the abysmal, thunder/arousing and mountain/stopping/keeping still.

The broken lines represent yin; the solid yang. The symbol in the patch's center is a yin yang symbol. The taking of two opposites and becoming one.

There has been some speculation that the I Ching's 64 hexagrams (made by combining the trigrams into, well, 64 hexgrams) may also represent the human DNA sequence.

"Traditionally, the I Ching hexagrams are constructed by throwing three coins six times, or by following a complicated procedure that uses 50 yarrow sticks. Both methods are based on the assumption that the "random" fall of the coins or division of the sticks in some way reflects the nature of the inquiry. From the perspective of Jungian philosophy this happens synchronistically, (i.e., due to meaningful coincidence, or the operation of an acausal connecting principle known as synchronicity ) .


The coin oracle is the most commonly used, simply because it is quicker. However, the yarrow stick procedure is the more ancient, and is considered by many people to be more authentic. This is because the mathematical odds involved using the yarrow stick procedure are more consistent with the underlying theory of the I Ching.


With the advent of personal computers, software is increasingly used to simulate the traditional methods of casting hexagrams. This has the advantage of convenience, speed and computational accuracy. It may seem odd to use a computer for this purpose, but in principle there is every reason to suppose that synchronicity operates just as readily in this way


The central idea behind the I Ching is that of flux or change. All things, including human affairs, are understood to change through time - they are born, develop, decay, die and are reborn in some new form.

By studying these changes, we can recognise significant patterns of change (e.g., night and day, the phases of the moon, the seasons of the year, the ages of man).


Change also involves relationships between opposites. The two most basic opposites are the principles of Yang and Yin.


All change can be understood in terms of the relationship between Yang and Yin.
When Yin and Yang are in balanced relationship, then life is harmonious. When we follow a harmonious and connected path through life, then we are said to live in accordance with the Tao. To cast the oracle, you first choose either the coin or yarrow stick methods."


One can also use computers to cast the I Ching.


And it also can be seen as binary code.


Now, if we take Hurley's numbers and see what they translate to in the I Ching...

4 is learning
8 is unity
15 is leveling, evening out
16 foresight & preparing
23 splitting apart
42 is unity again leading to increase

(http://members.ozemail.com.au/~ddiamond/table.html (http://members.ozemail.com.au/%7Eddiamond/table.html)) for those who want to see what the numbers might mean in the I Ching. The above is extremely simplistic.

I see parallels to the survivors in the above. I don't know if anyone else will.

anne in chicago

Okay, Anne, I thouhgt my head hurt before your post! :24: It really hurts now trying to understand all of that. LOL There is definitely some kind of connection between the black and white, the 2 items and the religion ... I just don't know what yet.

Does this look like the patch on Desmonds shirt to you guys?
http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vodka11rv.jpg

Someone else just pointed this out to me, and I come here, and you posted it a few days ago.

Good eye OnAonXM

Russina vodka and guns. It's a really nice way to connect Desmond to Jack too.

no, please... lets keep the knights templar out of this...

it would be so trivial and common...i mean has any secret cospiracy to be linked to the templars? do they have a sort of prerogative or option on every mistery story?

the double headed phoenix (or maybe eagle, as in the Asburgic seal) can be the seal of a secret gov. agency, or an athletic association, or a company...

Please, if the writers can hear me: LETS KEEP THE TEMPLARS OUT OF THIS!

Doesn't anyone bother reading older threads anymore ?

Oh well.. Here's the thing I made last week regarding the symbol.
http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=granslogotaegeukthingy3kc.jpg

granulated, I think it just got lost in the chaos of a new season and new episode and the board being so slow. I saw a few things I can't find now.

This is a good lesson for anyone that thinks their idea deserves a second look. Don't assume we're ignoring it, assume it's a Fabulous idea and resubmit it. :biggrin:

Doesn't anyone bother reading older threads anymore ?

Oh well.. Here's the thing I made last week regarding the symbol.
http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=granslogotaegeukthingy3kc.jpg

Someone posted after this, that it looks like an enneagram, and I found this.

Palmer says that the "Enneagram is a psychological and spiritual system with roots in ancient traditions." She types people by fundamental weakness or sin: anger, pride, envy, avarice, gluttony, lust, sloth, fear, and deceit. She calls these weaknesses "capital tendencies." Each of us has a personality that is dominated by one of the nine capital tendencies. Knowing what type you, and what type others are, will put you on the road to "self-understanding and empathy, giving rise to improved relationships," says Palmer.

7 DEADLY SINS PLUS 2?

The Perfectionist One anger ----Reformer I do everything the right way "produces order"
The Giver Two pride----Helper I must help others. "humble goodness"
The Performer Three deceit---- Motivator I need to succed. "Succ-esssss"
The Romantic Four envy ---- Romantic I am unique. "tragedy queen"
The Observer Five avarice ----Thinker I need to understand the world. "full of disclaimers"
The Trooper Six fear---- Skeptic I am affectionate and skeptical. "fortress mentality"
The Epicure Seven gluttony ----Enthusiast I am happy and open to new things. "dizzy flirt"
The Boss Eight lust ----Leader I must be strong. "I'm Stalin!"
The Mediator Nine sloth ----Peacemaker I am at peace.

granulated, I think it just got lost in the chaos of a new season and new episode and the board being so slow. I saw a few things I can't find now.

This is a good lesson for anyone that thinks their idea deserves a second look. Don't assume we're ignoring it, assume it's a Fabulous idea and resubmit it. :biggrin:

Thanks.
I hope it means something. Even if it was just a writer/designer being "silly".

Someone posted after this, that it looks like an enneagram, and I found this.....

It's a pity they have 9 categories :ohwell:

Someone else just pointed this out to me, and I come here, and you posted it a few days ago.

Good eye OnAonXM

Russina vodka and guns. It's a really nice way to connect Desmond to Jack too.
While it resembles it, Walt, I don't think that's the same emblem. Someone here posted that the 2 headed falcon is what's on his shirt and it's part of some Mason order from Scotland. Since Desmond is Sctottish, I'd guess that one is right. And the Mason's have a history of secret orders. And that person said part of that emblem includes the pentagon shape.

Doesn't anyone bother reading older threads anymore ?

Oh well.. Here's the thing I made last week regarding the symbol.
http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=granslogotaegeukthingy3kc.jpg
granulated, I'm trying to keep up with all the Desmond-related threads but I can only read and type just so fast! :24:

But that, I don't think, is the emblem they're talking about with the 2 headed phoenix/falcon.

Just in case anyone wants it. Here's a google defination of Dharma.

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=lang_en&newwindow=1&safe=off&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-36,GGLG:en&oi=defmore&q=define:Dharma

Just in case anyone wants it. Here's a google defination of Dharma.

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=lang_en&newwindow=1&safe=off&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-36,GGLG:en&oi=defmore&q=define:Dharma
Thanks, Mike. I've bookmarked it for future studying. :smile:

I agree that a direct connection with the Knights Templar would be a common place, but then, it is believed that the Templars had contact with Eastern philosophies, as well as Pythagorean ideas, which many have been commenting about here and must have some sort of role, at least to what Desmond/hatch is concerned...point is, one be tempted to think it has to do with the Templars but in the end, it has to do with the origin of (part of) their knowledge, and not the Order itself (I hope I made sense! :lol )

Doesn't anyone bother reading older threads anymore ?

Oh well.. Here's the thing I made last week regarding the symbol.
http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=granslogotaegeukthingy3kc.jpg


does anyone else think that the finished circle in the above link is the perfect shape to fit the two headed eagle in it? Or was that the point.....my head hurts after reading all of these posts :frown:

granulated, I'm trying to keep up with all the Desmond-related threads but I can only read and type just so fast! :24:

But that, I don't think, is the emblem they're talking about with the 2 headed phoenix/falcon.


yeh...but I was referring to posts #32 and #38 on the thread.

the iching trigrams also correspond to compass points (I wonder if they may help in location of the island)

we taped the lost episode im going to go find out what that patch was. but to be honest with you i nnever did see the patch.

we taped the lost episode im going to go find out what that patch was. but to be honest with you i nnever did see the patch.

We know what is was. It's the same logo as on the medicine cabinet, computer, etc.

does anyone else think that the finished circle in the above link is the perfect shape to fit the two headed eagle in it? Or was that the point.....my head hurts after reading all of these posts :frown:

No it wasn't the point I was making.
It's just weird and can only have been a deliberate decision by the creators.

We know what is was. It's the same logo as on the medicine cabinet, computer, etc.

The logo on Desmond's shirt was a pentagon and the logo on the cabinet was an octagon... this makes them the same?

Please explain.

the patch is the shape of a octogon and it has writing in the insidearound the line ans then theres this shape in the middle of the octogon patch.!!!!

i think

that it is a scientific matter or

hes joined something

and it

Are you trying to increase your post count or something?

and it
Dude, read the board/thread before posting. Do a search. We know what the logo is, we know what it stands for. We also know there is another patch on desond's shirt when he is running with Jack which is different.

The logo on Desmond's shirt was a pentagon and the logo on the cabinet was an octagon... this makes them the same?

Please explain.


Seems like you're confusing the logo in the bunker with the logo on his polo shirt in the stadium ?

Just thinkin’…

Has anybody mentioned that the Yin-Yang at the center of the logo appears to be divided by the silhouette of a swan? Also as mentioned in previous posts the symbol matches up exactly with the feng shui bagua, which is used to bring harmony to a room. Is it possible that Desmond's “organization” seeks to bring harmony to something larger? Perhaps globally? An organization using a feng shui symbol with a swan for a logo can’t be all bad right? Maybe Desmond’s folks represent good (white column of light, refined living space etc.) and the “others” represent bad (black column of smoke, living in the wild, etc.). Just my two cents.

I agree that a direct connection with the Knights Templar would be a common place, but then, it is believed that the Templars had contact with Eastern philosophies, as well as Pythagorean ideas, which many have been commenting about here and must have some sort of role, at least to what Desmond/hatch is concerned...point is, one be tempted to think it has to do with the Templars but in the end, it has to do with the origin of (part of) their knowledge, and not the Order itself (I hope I made sense! :lol )

Yeah, that makes perfect sense and I'd be totally fine with that. I'm facinated by anything "ancient" so this whole mystery of what all the symbols stand for is facinating to me because, no matter what we find out, it really seems there will be an ancient history behind it.

The logo on Desmond's shirt was a pentagon and the logo on the cabinet was an octagon... this makes them the same?

Please explain.
granulated is speaking of the symbol found on all of those things in the hatch. The others here were speaking of the emblem on his shirt when he met Jack.

Somone posted (I forget where, it's 38th post, I think) about the hatch symbol and that's where it went wonky. ;)

This thread is getting confusing because of two different emblems.

To help us all stay on track, please quote who you are replying to. Simply click on the QUOTE button and type your reply below the comment you're replying to.

Thanks!

and it
This kind of posting is both annoying and reason to get banned.

Please stop.

Thank you.:smile:

Indeed I was comparing the shirt logo at the stadium and the logo on the cabinet. Sorry.

Here is the logo on the jumpsuit you are talking about after going back and looking for it this time.
http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jumpsuit0cb.jpg

When Desmond opens up the medicine cabinet to take his injection, we see this symbol for the first time and it has been written and talked about alot.
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=symbol17mv.jpg

Today as I was watching I noticed a quick shot down one of the hallways of the bunker, while Desmond was adjusting the mirrors and the telescope, that there is another showing of the symbol (albeit backwards if you look at the swan symbol in the middle) on a cement pillar of sorts (red arrow pointer).
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=symbol21qv.jpg

And a second later, the same shot is shown again but this time reversed to the way it should be and a little bit further away (red arrow pointer).
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=symbol33ie.jpg

Obviously to me now, and maybe you as well, this symbol is meant to be part of the environment of the underground facility.

Pa Qua is one of the websites that discusses it's meaning, as posted on other threads, but what will it mean to Desmond and the others?

Also noticeable in this image is a large water/sewer pipe near the floor and smaller pipes along the ceiling.

...

Today as I was watching I noticed a quick shot down one of the hallways of the bunker, while Desmond was adjusting the mirrors and the telescope, that there is another showing of the symbol (albeit backwards if you look at the swan symbol in the middle) on a cement pillar of sorts (red arrow pointer).
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=symbol21qv.jpg

And a second later, the same shot is shown again but this time reversed to the way it should be and a little bit further away (red arrow pointer).
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=symbol33ie.jpg



I noticed this as well. In fact, its the *first* shot that is reversed. If you take the "swan" in the middle of the yin yang for judgement, it should be facing to the right:

http://sier_element.home.comcast.net/mirror1.jpg

This is the first shot and its reversed (although you might have to brighten the image/ your monitor up to see it, but it is)

Here is the second shot, with the logo correctly displayed:

http://sier_element.home.comcast.net/mirror2.jpg

This show is insane.

I noticed this as well. In fact, its the *first* shot that is reversed. If you take the "swan" in the middle of the yin yang for judgement, it should be facing to the right:
http://sier_element.home.comcast.net/mirror1.jpg
This is the first shot and its reversed (although you might have to brighten the image/ your monitor up to see it, but it is)
Here is the second shot, with the logo correctly displayed:
http://sier_element.home.comcast.net/mirror2.jpg
This show is insane.

Due to intense curiosity and the lack of anything better to do, lol, I went back and watched from the beginning as I remembered seeing another post that showed the stereo system reversed, and indeed, and in fact, this is our *first* look at a reversed scene...

Here it is as it should be:
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stereosystemforward1qj.jpg

Now here is the first (in Season 2 anyway) reversed video shown; right after the explosion, you can even see the dust falling down from the ceiling, notice the image is backwards (especially evident by the fact that the lava lamp is now on the right side of the stereo system and the record albums are now to the right side of the turntable):
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stereosystemreversed2pq.jpg

There are quite a few reversed video scenes throughout the show... maybe someday I will have the time to count them.

Just noticed in the reversed image that there is a ping pong table to the right side, notice with me now that it is set for one person to practice on!!!! Somewhere there are posts saying they saw a ping pong paddle which means he MUST have someone down there playing with him... I think he did, but now it is evident that not necessarily is there someone down there with him NOW... yes? no?

Can't wait for tonight's show, then we can all talk about that!! lol

Due to intense curiosity and the lack of anything better to do, lol, I went back and watched from the beginning as I remembered seeing another post that showed the stereo system reversed, and indeed, and in fact, this is our *first* look at a reversed scene...

Here it is as it should be:
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stereosystemforward1qj.jpg

Now here is the first (in Season 2 anyway) reversed video shown; right after the explosion, you can even see the dust falling down from the ceiling, notice the image is backwards (especially evident by the fact that the lava lamp is now on the right side of the stereo system and the record albums are now to the right side of the turntable):
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stereosystemreversed2pq.jpg

There are quite a few reversed video scenes throughout the show... maybe someday I will have the time to count them.

Just noticed in the reversed image that there is a ping pong table to the right side, notice with me now that it is set for one person to practice on!!!! Somewhere there are posts saying they saw a ping pong paddle which means he MUST have someone down there playing with him... I think he did, but now it is evident that not necessarily is there someone down there with him NOW... yes? no?

Can't wait for tonight's show, then we can all talk about that!! lol
YIKES! Mark this is way TOO much to know before the show tonight! LOL Thank goodness they are replaying part 1 for those that missed part of it last week!

I had noticed the ping pong table (but thought at first it was a pool table) when he runs past it out that opening. Now I can see, too, that the opening to the "hall" has a similar section on the other side of the room that, at first, appears to be a doorway in the shot when it's show the right way.

As for playing, there is one ping pong paddle in the chair across from the stereo (not the one we see in the reversed pix you put up, there's another one next to it on what I'd guess would be an opposite wall) and now I see one on the ping pong table. So, I would guess that means there are/were 2 players at some point (either that or Desmond is REALLY fast! LOL)

Now, I'm a HUGE fan of MYST and have played it several times, When I looked more closely at your reversed cap of the hall/ping pong table/stereo etc., I noticed that the room is round (I thought it was but this proves it) and that coincides with my belief that the ying yang symbol on his jumpsuit is ALSO a diagram of the underground layout, with the circle in the middle being the Ying Yang in the middle of his emblem.

It also brings to mind that in Myst rooms revolve and you have to know the right codes, levers, buttons, etc. to open and in the right order to get the rooms to move so that they line up and you can go through passageways. And here's the tie in ... the sounds of some of these rooms moving sounds JUST like the pully noises the security system makes as they move and slide in position!

Perhaps we are seeing the room in reverse because part of the room Desmond was in to get the guns has a mirror on the wall so that he can see if anyone sneeks up behind him and we were seeing the room from the mirror's point of view?

OK, my head is broken now. :confused: