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spike13
09-23-2005, 11:46 PM
I just watched all of season 1 and the first season 2.

Why is there so much of jack. It's unfortunate. He's the least interesting character, yet so much time is spent on his story. While the other characters have varying levels of complexity, Jack's character doesn't have as much or at least not an interesting complexity like the others.

I hope in the coming season they spend more time on the other characters.

Island_Girl
09-24-2005, 12:38 AM
I agree. Jack has bugged me from the beginning. I only enjoyed one of his scenes, and that was because it was when Sawyer told him about his dad. That scene, besides including my sexy Sawyer, humanized both of them.

The_Sheppardess
09-24-2005, 12:43 AM
To each his own I guess. The thing is, Jack and Kate are seen as the male and female leads, so they got a bit more screen time than the others. But don't worry, everyone will get their time this year. Even your sexy Sawyer. :biggrin:

lockeruleslost
09-24-2005, 01:04 AM
Well, it was a Jack centric episode, so I'm not sure. Although I will say this:

Don't get me wrong, I love the show, but there was something about MS MF that seemed "un-Lost like". It was an awesome episode, but for me, there was something missing. I don't know if it was the focus on just Jack, Kate and Locke, or what. Now that the issue of WHATS IN the hatch is pretty well shown, although admitedley, we only know whats inside, not it's PURPOSE yet, I just hope the show doesnt get too crazy, after all, he had a HOME down there.

I guess I was expecting what was inside to be more "mystical" and not of this world.

Theres just so many questions, it drives you nuts.


Wonderful episode though. Like I said, I loved the show fromt he beginning, but this was just a opinion of mine. Sorry if this sounds non-sensical, I havent had much sleep lately.

spike13
09-24-2005, 02:41 AM
I agree that it felt a little un-Lost like.

I see what you mean by Jack centric. I guess from the title and the way season 1 ended I expected it to be more balanced between Locke and Jack.

itsy
09-24-2005, 10:50 AM
It was a Jack centric episode, and the focus will change I think. That said, I think there is much more to Jacks story than what we have seen so far

Island_Girl
09-24-2005, 11:24 AM
Obviously I understand that it was a Jack-centric episode, so he had to be the central character for this episode. My complaint is that there are more Jack-centric episodes than there are for other characters. I get that he's supposed to be the male lead, and Kate the female lead, but there are still other characters whose backstories I'd rather see than either of theirs.

itsy
09-24-2005, 01:03 PM
It could be that he is more central role to the whole story than anyone else, and that he is pivotal in reason to it all and others fit around him.

Kristina
09-24-2005, 01:25 PM
I agree with Spike and IG, I think the whole show is a little bit to "Jack-centric". Of course he is the "leader", but there are several other characters on the island besides him who probably has equally or more interesting back stories....

Somehow I get a feeling that they are telling everything about him in 1 or 2 seasons, in case he dies (wantīs off the show?)... Hopefully I will be wrong, but he does get a lot of attention and there is only a certain amount of interesting stories on cant get out of every character.....

I would want more of Claire, Shannon, Sawyer, Sayid, well just about everybody except Jack :ohwell:

driveshaft_fan
09-24-2005, 01:26 PM
dont get me wrong..i love jack....but i just think its funny that he's classified as a leader on the show and originally he was going to be killed off in the pilot.

Kristina
09-24-2005, 01:33 PM
dont get me wrong..i love jack....but i just think its funny that he's classified as a leader on the show and originally he was going to be killed off in the pilot.

But thatīs one of the things I really like about Lost, the show has I life of itīs own, and the writers/producers adjust the story as they go along. If two actors preform great together - that will be used and the script adjusted etc... Itīs a dynamic chow, and thatīs IMHO one of the things that makes it so great!

I totally agree with you however, itīs ironic....

Robinhood56
09-24-2005, 01:37 PM
The stories and flashbacks are all there to move the show forward. They center on whichever character's history will best match up with where the island story is going.

If it is the same guy (Desomd) in the hatch then it was Jack who met him before. It had to be a Jack story.

Could they have written it so someone else met D before? Sure but then the story would be different than they way the evidently want it to go.

Patience. Everyone will get their episodes. Right now they seem to be headed towards a split in the group. The split, if it comes, will be between Jack and Locke. Things have to center around these two to set this up.

We all have our favorite characters and want to see more of them but the show is story telling so we have to trust the authors and go where they lead.

spike13
09-24-2005, 01:47 PM
ER does a good job of giving characters equal weight without having a lead even though in the environment there is a heirarchy of positions. I think on Lost there shouldn't be leads so much. Sorry to keep hammering this, but I can't figure out why his story is sooo boring and hokey. His character is so flat. Especially when compared to everyone else. Unless we find out he's a mass murderer or something.

One thing that really gets to me is that he feels the ends justify the means. And he's above everything because he's the leader. Like it's ok for him to torture, beat up, etc. as long as he's got a good reason. Yet everyone else must do what he says. This is where I find it hard to believe that people would blindly follow him. Personally after the torture of Sawyer I think the other people would have punished him -- or at least been afraid of him.

But I guess the show isn't about the psychological affect of being isolated and following a leader. Doesn't seem that's a theme they're developing, which is too bad as it would have been an interesting story.

I keep hoping he gets killed off.

If I was there, I'd follow Locke.

God's tom
09-24-2005, 01:48 PM
I never could understand why they wanted to kill off Jack in the pilot. Whatever their original intention for the show - The heart of the plot now seems to be the conflict for leadership between Jack & Locke. Personally, Jack is REALLY starting to bug me.
I have always had a problem with authority figures, & Jack seems to be letting this "leader" thing go to his head. If I had been one of the survivors there at the cave when Locke said he was going back to the hatch, cause he was sick of waiting, I'd
have been with him (Locke) just like that! But whether I like Jack or not is not the point.
His contrast with Locke is central to the story, so we have to understand what his motivation is.
That having been said - I wanna see more of Locke's backstory!

wildjinx
09-24-2005, 06:56 PM
wow .. too much Jack? There's no such thing, imo.

As for Jack having more episodes than anyone else? well, not really ... last season he had 3, as did Kate.

Now I understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I respect that, but I do not understand how people can say that he is a boring character ... I find him to be the character with some of the most mystery because we've only been shown snippets of his life ... like little Polaroid shots, instead of the photo album like FBs we've seen for the others. There is a tremendous amount of unanswered questions, most recent of course being, what was the connection/trigger between his marriage flashbacks and Boone's mortal injury?

I confess to getting frustrated at times because I think so much of Jack's story gets overlooked or skimmed over ... what makes Jack so intriguing for me is his complexity; the relationship with his father (who in FBs has alternated between being kind, manipulative, emotionally abusive, etc.) and cold/aloof mother, the tattoos and flight lessons, the mystery behind his marriage, the fact that 20 years later, the boy he stood up for on the playground was now his best man, the change we saw in him in the S2 premier FBs as opposed to the Jack on island. Jack knows a great deal about everybody on the island, but they really don't know anything at all about him ... he keeps his cards close to his chest and I wonder if that's because he values himself so little that he doesn't think anyone would care, or if it is that he has secrets of his own we don't yet know of.

Jack's picture has not been painted in bold, angry brush strokes that leave you with a fast, visceral feeling of understanding (like with Locke, Sawyer and Charlie) ... no, Jack's picture has been done in sketches and charcoal shading, so all you see at a quick glance are shadows and seemingly random lines ... but the thing to keep in mind, is that shadows are seldom ever empty and pointless ... they hold things, you just have to look harder at them, or wait patiently for more light.

While I know everyone has their likes and dislikes, I still would urge folks to look at Jack's story not as something that "cuts into" the screen time of their favourite characters, but instead, as something more like a "story iceberg" ... what you see at first glance, isn't the whole story; not only are there deeper and likely darker/traumatic events in his past, but also his impact/role in the island mythology is likely much more far reaching than first appears ... his connect with Desmond reinforces that.

Kristina
09-24-2005, 07:40 PM
Iīm sorry Wildjinx, but I just find Jack boring..... I know that everyone has their own opinion, and thatīs the reason of having different types of personalities on the show (the good guy, the bad guy, the leader, the bandit etc) But to my the good leader is a boring type. i donīt say that I donīt find Jacks story interesting, I do, BUT I miss other stories, stories about other people on the island, their background and their lifes...... And even though Jack has a huge father-complex and some rather strange things in his history, Iīm personally more interested to find out WHY Kate was wanted in the first place, how Shannon become what she is and so on. He is just to, nice to be really exiting, IMHO. I know that a lot of people think the opposite :biggrin:

banshee
09-24-2005, 07:53 PM
Beautiful post jinx.

Personally I thought Damon wrote him un-Jack like in past/present at pnts in MOFMOS, but that's neither here nor there. I think with 40 ppl in danger of being killed from "the others" all in your responsibility/care ("run, hide or die") & a guy wanting to explore a dangerous hatch w/the word QUARANTINE on it you'd be a little stressed too. And might even be a little snappish.

Unfortunately this isn't the first show where I've seen a sort of resentment for a character put out in the forefront w/an ensemble cast. I think it's the "grass is always greener" effect & if it were someone else in the lead position, ppl would be thinking they're missing out on others as well. I saw increasing dissent against Locke when he began to have more prominent screen time & vy for leadership...I think they balance focus between characters pretty well.

I find Jack an incredibly rich character. Psychologically, emotionally, & dramatically. I think he's meant to be a "hides in plain view" character. Ppl think they have the whole story about him but there's a lot more to the puzzle. Like jinx said he isn't "out there". He's more subtle & if you peel back the layers there is a lot of complexity and interesting things about Jack that Foxy plays so well.

For example-how about his paradoxes? A man who is so dedicated to the preservation of life that he's willing to cross his own moral boundaries in order to serve that dedication. Resorting to torture to save Shannon?... A stereotypical doctor is usually so emotionally & clinically detached from his patients, like Christian, he's able to have someone die on his table & come home and watch a little Carol Burnett. Not Jack. He's emotionally tortured by his failures & every patients loss haunts him...The stereotypical hero is Superman-like, confident in his ability to help ppl & assured of his purpose. Again, Jack isn't. He has self doubt and insecurities & cringes at thinking of himself as a hero.

Not to mention there is this fascinating dynamic with his father. At first Christian was just this straight up villian,the drunk, but now we see flashes of him where his/Jack's paradigm had some respect & camaraderie at a pnt...A sort of twisted misguided love where Christian, in having his own insecurities/fears actually thought he was doing Jack a favor, shielding him from disappointment, by emotionally cutting him down - "You just don't have what it takes". Jack internalizes this, & it basically dictates his life. We even hear him say "What did I do wrong now?" to indicate Christian always held his approval/praise just out of Jack's reach...Jack tried to compensate for the father he didn't have in his drunken stupors, & the love/approval he didn't get by creating this image in his head of a father he could respect. So he engaged in trying to be the perfect son, follow in his footsteps even thinking his dad wouldn't be a drunk if he could just be "good enough". Problem being he'd never get his father's approval, & then his dad dies because Jack betrayed him! I call that interesting.

This doesn't even touch the many parallels you can find in Jack/Christian's relationship to what is happening w/Jack/Locke.... How Locke has taken the place of a father figure to Jack. And it deepens the power struggle between them to be about more than faith/science.

The writers have brilliantly made Jack what you see is what you get in terms of his honesty, his values, & his agenda, but when it comes to his structure he's far more than just the leader or hero & it's a shame more ppl can't see that.

I think of him as this stained glass of humanity...Having all of these different shades & colors that ppl often divide as if they can't be part of the same man. Yes Jack has flaws & he makes mistakes, & due to his positions he gets a lot of screen time. But he's a good guy and a great character that I think if you look at the whole mosaic, there's more than meets the eye. He & Foxy contribute a great deal to the show imo.

sier
09-24-2005, 10:25 PM
For some reason, I cant see Jack playing a huge role in the story in the long run. Since they already had the idea of what everything was and "how it would end", why would they write Jack off in the first episode? The only reason they didnt is because a few people who read the script said "you cant do that - you'll lose people's trust".

That leads me to believe hes not as important as everyone thinks.

I also feel this way with Sun and Jin, since the actress who played Sun auditioned for Kate and they liked her so much that they wrote a part for her. These types of characters might be written integrally into the story (like Jack meeting Desmond first in the stadium), but I dont see these characters playing a role in the big picture.

I realize the story is dynamic, but they have said from the beginning that they have already developed the end of the series before they even wrote the pilot.

Does that make sense?

Robinhood56
09-24-2005, 10:56 PM
For some reason, I cant see Jack playing a huge role in the story in the long run. Since they already had the idea of what everything was and "how it would end", why would they write Jack off in the first episode? The only reason they didnt is because a few people who read the script said "you cant do that - you'll lose people's trust".

That leads me to believe hes not as important as everyone thinks.

I also feel this way with Sun and Jin, since the actress who played Sun auditioned for Kate and they liked her so much that they wrote a part for her. These types of characters might be written integrally into the story (like Jack meeting Desmond first in the stadium), but I dont see these characters playing a role in the big picture.

I realize the story is dynamic, but they have said from the beginning that they have already developed the end of the series before they even wrote the pilot.

Does that make sense?

As I recall they auditioned people without a script written yet, just scenes and a basic idea of what was going to happen. I also believe it was once they started that they set up the path the story would take. Just because they planned on killing Jack at first doesn't mean they haven't changed how they would get to the end. The whole show has eveolved from the original concept. Obviously Jack's place in it has changed too.

They know how it will end, not details necessarily. If we learned one thing from the DVD extras it is nothing is carved in stone for this show.

In the show Frasier there was no Niles. You can't say he didn't play a big part just because he was added later.

Noeland
09-25-2005, 06:40 PM
What was missing? The rest of the islanders are pretty much non-exsistant in this episode. When they are on screen, those scenes were very rushed through, and most of the dialogue is cliche'd and, well, rushed.

Not to mention it was "un-lost like" because we actually made it down the rabbit hole folks, and last season, the ONLY season of Lost we have to compare anything to, was built around finding a way in, and worked very hard to maintain a mystery of what was in the hatch. The mystery of what is in the hatch, at least visually speaking, is now long gone.

The show is changing, and will not always hinge on the mystery of one event like getting into the hatch. Well, I hope not. It was maddening for me last year to watch the show spinning it's wheels over getting that hatch open. I hope they don't get stuck like that again.

Noeland---------------------------

notfadeaway
09-25-2005, 11:58 PM
Too much Jack. Never. There can never be too much Jack only too little Sawyer.

KNJ
09-26-2005, 01:41 AM
Jack is like the main character.........ha ha how could there be too much Jack? That would be like saying there is too much Jack on the show "24". Does not make a whole lotta sense to me. Jack and Kate own the show ha hah okay okay I'm kidding.

Kristina
09-26-2005, 09:35 AM
Too much Jack. Never. There can never be too much Jack only too little Sawyer.

On the contrary; Never too much Sawyer and to little Jack :biggrin:

banshee
09-26-2005, 09:51 AM
On the contrary; Never too much Sawyer and to little Jack :biggrin:

Personally I'm not as interested in Sawyer as I am Jack, but I appreciate what he brings to the show. Fact of the matter is it wouldn't be the same w/o any of them.

Kristina
09-26-2005, 10:13 AM
Personally I'm not as interested in Sawyer as I am Jack, but I appreciate what he brings to the show. Fact of the matter is it wouldn't be the same w/o any of them.

:lol:

No the show wouldnīt be the same w/o any of them, they are both totally necessary fot he dynamic and the plot............

elfdream
09-26-2005, 10:19 AM
Sawyer does annoy me...but he's important and I like Josh and don't want him to be out of work.


The creative team said that the show was written so that if they had wanted the program COULD have been a show about each character. It could have been a show about a father and son getting to know each other and they are trapped on this island and forced to get to know each other. Its not a show I would watch but there are people out there who would. It could be ALL about Kate the fugitive trying to come clean...or ALL about Charlie and Claire.

So sometimes we have to endure the 'Sawyer' show or the episodes of those we don't nearly as compelling in order to keep up with the story.

And this week it as Jack's. I think we will be seeing another episode this season because we will find out sometime why he is no longer married. which is something *I* want to know. I am assuming it won't be until later in the season though.

Shrooms
09-26-2005, 08:35 PM
Well He is Sort of the 'mainish' Character. He wasn't when it was first made, but he is one of the characters with an important place. Sure, we /all/ love Charlie, but he doesn't do as much as jack does, which means he doesn't need as much of a background story for the odd things he does on the island. But jack, keeps giving us new things to wonder about, so we need to see into his past more often.
(note: I ma a super big charlie fan, just to let yall know... and I do wish Dom could get some more dialog...)

Elf-lady
09-26-2005, 09:29 PM
I agree, I'm sick of Jack; I hope he gets 'redeemed', and soon! He's jumping up and down on my last nerve, :hammer:
especially after what he said to Hurley...such a creep, no tact or empathy. :ranting: "You were in a psych ward?" What the he... kind of thing is that to say? Shut me up.

The_Sheppardess
09-26-2005, 09:57 PM
I didn't particularly like his response to Hurley either (and I'm a huge Jack fan) but what exactly was he supposed to say? If you had found out that one of your best friends had been in a psych ward at one time, wouldn't you be a little surprised? (especially after they tell you about their "cursed numbers"?).

I think it's also important to keep in mind the conditions under which these conversations occur. Jack had been stressed to the max for that whole day (actually, he's been under a tremendous amount of pressure ever since they arrived) so I don't see the need to jump all over him every time he says something snippy. We all have times where we're less tactful or empathetic then we'd like, why should Jack be any different?

elfdream
09-26-2005, 10:15 PM
Sawyer says snippy stuff all the time and he gets a pass. Jack could save the world from nuclear holocaust but heaven help him if right aftewards he says one wrong word. His is then the most terrible person since the universe began.

I think people just lay in wait for when their least favorite character makes a wrong move so they can jump on it...especially if it involves their particular favorite character.

Sawyer says snarky stuff to Jack all the time but I don't jump on him and tell him to shut up or call him names. I just say he annoys me and leave it at that. I don't sit around and wait for him to mess up..

And by the way..AS A DOCTOR I though Jack had every right to question that about Hurley. He didn't mess up as far as I'm concerned. If Hurley was expecting sympathy and a good bedside manner under THOSE PARTICULAR conditions he really is living in a dream world.

spike13
09-26-2005, 10:31 PM
Personally if it were me talking to hurley after we just opened a hatch and he starts talking about the numbers...I'd want to know more about the numbers. But that's just why Jack is so reactional and doesn't think things through. He's such a literal character. Whereas Locke, Hurley, Sawyer, Kate, Walt - they're able to see more levels to things. Which is why I think they're more interesting than Jack. Jack does have a struggle, but I don't find his struggle as interesting as the other characters.

KNJ
09-27-2005, 12:54 AM
To me it's not so much Jack's struggle as it is that he is the glue that holds it all together, or at least that's how it is for me.

spike13
09-27-2005, 01:04 AM
Interesting point as are the others that previous post-ers have made. It's opened my mind up to seeing the Jack character from different perspectives. Thanks.

elfdream
09-27-2005, 09:58 AM
Interesting point as are the others that previous post-ers have made. It's opened my mind up to seeing the Jack character from different perspectives. Thanks.

I think that is all anyone wants when it comes to their favorite character. An open mind and fairness.

I don't expect anyone to 'like' Jack if they don't want to but they should at least understand where he is coming from and that Jack is not them and wouldn't do things they way they would...and that there is more than one way to look at any situation.

I keep picking on Sawyer but even though he does annoy me I do understand where he is coming from and why he might have said a certain thing or have done something a certain way and while I understand that I might have done or said it differently...that is me and Sawyer is...Sawyer.

That's not a lot for any of us to ask for.

KNJ
09-28-2005, 12:45 AM
Yea I really like sawyer ha ha, like I enjoy his character, he adds spice. The only character that REALLY annoy's me is michael, because he makes such stupid decisions and starts fights all the time ha ha.

banshee
09-28-2005, 06:31 AM
I appreciate ppl saying they're trying to be more open to Jack :)

especially after what he said to Hurley...such a creep, no tact or empathy. "You were in a psych ward?"

Jack's initial response may have been inappropriate, but I have to wonder if ppl wouldn't think the same thing themselves. He made the mistake of saying it outloud, but I agree it wasn't the most tactful response... I think especially since he's a doctor, he was considering the possibility that if he was in a psyche ward it may play into his belief about the Numbers. He gave Hurley a lot more than Charlie did though by at least saying he didn't think he was crazy.

Jack was so patient & comforting w/Rose...He didn't ride Charlie for having a drug habit but instead said he could have helped him & made him feel like he wasn't the worst person in the world by saying "I'm no saint either". He was gentle and kind with Charlie after his ordeal in ATB, even checking up on him, & didn't give him grief for shooting Ethan...How many times has he forgiven or been understanding of Kate's pain & mistakes even after being hurt & used? Same with his father. And he was so concerned and worried for Claire....Sun lied to him about speaking English & poisoned a man but again he didn't rag on her for it, instead he offered empathy & some sage advice....And how he cried for Sarah & Boone saying he was sorry as if it was his fault when he had done everything he possibly could.

A creep & unsympathetic just isn't how I'd describe Jack. But sure, he's going to have his days where he gets mad & says/does wrong things. I just don't think some of them are as vile as they seem to be to some, & after all he has done for folks asking nothing in return, I admit to being a bit befuddled as to why he doesn't deserve forgiveness & understanding too.

sier
09-28-2005, 11:33 AM
I don't dislike Jack at all. I think hes a good scientific balance on the show. The only issue I have with his character is that hes way to easy to jump to a conclusion and he'll be *very* skeptical of anything after that.

And this is coming from someone (me) who is a total skeptic..haha. If Jack were more science-based, I would think he would be more open to information so that he could correctly assess the situation. Scientists follow the scientific method, but Jack seems to skip about 3 steps in the method everytime he comes to a conclusion.

So I, being a person who appreciates science, have a hard time identifying with his "well it must be the most logical answer" conclusions because he doesnt seem to want to hear or examine any information once his conclusion is made. That isn't science.

But Jack as a person, really up until the first episode of season 2, didn't bother me the slightest bit. But I wanted to get in the hatch. I was curious, and Jack was a character who was basically saying "No. Leave the hatch alone. We are *all* leaving RIGHT NOW". At that moment in time, if I was Locke, I would have said "yeah, screw you"...haha.

I like Jack, but he doesnt seem like much of a man of science to me. He jumps to conclusions more than he should, and we already have a decent amount of people like that on the show already.

Mr.James
09-28-2005, 11:40 AM
Jack is like the main character.........ha ha how could there be too much Jack? That would be like saying there is too much Jack on the show "24". Does not make a whole lotta sense to me. Jack and Kate own the show ha hah okay okay I'm kidding.

I see what spike is saying though....I understand that Jack is the main character....but I think throughout the 1st season at least for most, other characters became more popular....I mean, why make the main character, the least interesting person on the island. He just seems a little too boreing for me, i mean thank god for the other characters because if this was all about jack, we wouldnt know anything about the island.

KNJ
09-28-2005, 03:07 PM
I was just kidding. I actually think Jack is quite interesting and there is more to him than we know.

banshee
09-28-2005, 05:07 PM
I see what spike is saying though....I understand that Jack is the main character....but I think throughout the 1st season at least for most, other characters became more popular....I mean, why make the main character, the least interesting person on the island. He just seems a little too boreing for me, i mean thank god for the other characters because if this was all about jack, we wouldnt know anything about the island.

It's personal opinion I guess in terms of interest, but I wouldn't say the other characters have necessarily become more popular which is indicative of said interest. Sawyer is obviously most popular, but Jack/Locke have the 2nd most # of folks in their fandoms groups here. Course that's only 'gathered' groups but we find a great deal of richness to Jack's character every week to discuss. And in fav character polls he ranks fairly well, typically 3rd or 4th.

Certainly we wouldn't know everything about the island through Jack alone anymore than we would Sawyer or Kate. Jack is a main character, but the show is designed as a puzzle & each character contributes a few pieces. Now we know Jack is connected to Desmond & an interesting q rt there is why was Desi so confident Jack had fixed Sarah?

pibbsneaker
09-28-2005, 09:05 PM
I think that the whole point was that Jack didn`t actually fix Sara. Some other higher power did. My interpretation of the scene was that Jack was crushed because he didn`t have what it took to fix such a massive spinal injury. He knew that he had failed and that science had certain limitations.Desmond tries to point out that when science fails you have to rely on hope and the possibility of the miraculous. But judging from Jack`s personality on the island, I don`t think that he made the connection between what Desmond said and Sara`s recovery. Up until he meets Desmond in the hatch, Jack probably still thought he "fixed" Sara as the result of his own skill and dedication.

Msgrv32
09-28-2005, 11:53 PM
Jack kicks ***, anyone who doubts Jack can herby go jump in a hatch :biggrin:

blondefilmgirl
09-29-2005, 01:33 AM
There was something about MS MF that endeared me to Jack. At first, I found him to be too straight forward. Too rooted in fact, but this episode really brought him "home" to me. I don't know what it was about it, but it made Jack more real to me. And I appreciated that.

KNJ
09-29-2005, 01:48 AM
I think to me it made him more real because he had the guts to go after his girl ha ha.

Michelle Friday
09-29-2005, 01:56 AM
Jack is total logic, facts and figures. Most will consider what he has to say but
make up their own mind. Locke is looking for a mystical supernatural experience
and those who find excitement in fantasy and mystery will be emotionally hooked
by it. But when Locke's mystical ideas fall, he becomes very frail and confused;
until the next inspiration hits him, then he's all great hunter again. He has to
believe there is something great and wonderful for him; after all the foot prints
of those in the past, who have stomped on his soul.

Sawyer gets away with smart azz remarks because it's his way and when he
does it, it fits.

I think Charlie is mean, he is hyper and hateful many times. He has the
ability to lose it big time.

Michael seems to be the most mature of them all, he is not intimated by
Jack or Locke or Sawyer, same with Sayid. They keep their own counsil
and do the work, but ready to make a move to get rescued or to protect.
Michael can have a quick temper, but he is strong and is able to keep
it in check.

So far I admire Sayid the most. He is so calm and has great insight into
people, with compassion yet he is also able to be a warrior, too.

KNJ
09-29-2005, 01:58 AM
See that's odd cause I find Michael the most imature of all of them, and down right annoying at that. He is all the time flying off the handle, causing a fight because he's too stupid to calm down first to find out what's going on, ohh and his character if absolutely boring............but that's just me.

Michelle Friday
09-29-2005, 02:53 AM
See that's odd cause I find Michael the most imature of all of them, and down right annoying at that. He is all the time flying off the handle, causing a fight because he's too stupid to calm down first to find out what's going on, oh and his character if absolutely boring............but that's just me.


Yes, I think when they first crashed and the weeks right after, he could be
very volatile, but he started to change; he realized he couldn't make it
on his own, after Locke helped him rescue Walt from the bear.

Watching him soften toward Walt, and start listening, has made his
character stronger.

He went off on Sawyer because he was projecting his own anger and
frustration over losing Walt onto him; but later after he cried, he said
he blamed himself.

On a side note, the raft scene showed a softer side of Sawyer, too. He
was really moved by what happened to Walt, and Michael's crying. They
will figure it out that Walt is actually right there on the Island, too, then
go get him!

wildjinx
09-30-2005, 01:40 AM
Jack is total logic, facts and figures. Most will consider what he has to say but make up their own mind. Locke is looking for a mystical supernatural experience and those who find excitement in fantasy and mystery will be emotionally hooked by it. But when Locke's mystical ideas fall, he becomes very frail and confused; until the next inspiration hits him, then he's all great hunter again. He has to
believe there is something great and wonderful for him; after all the foot prints
of those in the past, who have stomped on his soul.



Excellent post ... I agree 100% with what you said about Locke ...

Amber
10-01-2005, 05:02 AM
I'm pretty sure that in Season 2 Locke, Hurley and Desmond will be in the lead more so than Jack, doncha think? They all seem to have more pieces to the puzzle than Jack or Kate.
Plus, I'm sure Jack will be too busy making sweet love to Ana Lucia ..