But how would computers that old be able to contact anyone??.......Its not like that had internet connection or anything.

I think its as simple as "do not attempt to use the computer for anything else"

The glitch in the film wasnt that long....i think it is as simple as that.
Possibly. But to not use it for anything else would include contacting someone. It doesn't have to be by internet. It could, possibly, be rigged to send a signal ... oh, a signal coming from the island. That's a new theory! ;)

Sorry if this has already been addressed, but I just found this board. Anyway, has it already been discussed that the guy who Hurly heard the numbers from at the sanitarium was part of this experiment for Hanso?

I have to admit, I do not think that I like where this is taking the series, but I am willing to give it a chance. When the film was being set up I could not help but hear "Hello, I'm Troy McClure and you may recognize me from other films such as..." It was a little hokey, but I am willing to give it a chance to see where it goes from here.

At least I'm not the only one who thought that...

Sorry if this has already been addressed, but I just found this board. Anyway, has it already been discussed that the guy who Hurly heard the numbers from at the sanitarium was part of this experiment for Hanso?

I seem to remember that he said he was stationed on an island during a war and heard the numbers being transmitted? Of course he could be lying or I could be wrong :)

it said 3 of 6...meaning theres 6 hatches or pods on the island all doing different experiments.
I don't know if it's been said already, but I take "3 of 6" to mean something different. The opening frames of the film show "The Dharma Initiative..... 3 of 6.... Orientation". It could mean that this is film number 3 (called Orientation) in a six film series.

The word "Orientation" could have a different meaning, too. Is this an orientation film introducing you to the project, or is "Orientation" the name of the experiement that is being performed?

My take on the logo is that each station will have a "similar" logo. It will have the same octogonal shape with the outer rings, but the center will be different. If you look at the screen caps of the shark logo, you'll see it's similar but not exactly the same.

I'm still not convinced of ultra strong magnetic fields and the Swan station was/is being used to study them. If these magnetic fields were really all that strong, the Orientation filmstrip would be ruined and the electical equipment wouldn't function correctly, if at all (none of it looked shielded). If it's really all that strong, I think it would have done a lot more than just lift the key away from Jack's neck. That makes me wonder even more if the whole thing in the film saying the Swan station is for studying the magnetic field in the area is just a lie and it really is nothing more than a psych experiment.

I think that the hatch is shielded why else have so much concrete. Plus I think that the dome serves some purpose. But even so the magnetic field would not disrupt the filstrip. It would disrupt a VHS tape or a disc but not an analog film. That portion of the wall that moved Jack's key looked like it had been breeched at some point so the shielding at that point was weaker.

Here's a list of what I've seen so far as the 'evidence' for and against The Button and The Numbers being just a psychological experiment.
Any others? Did I miss anything?


Jack: "This whole thing is just an experiment."

The nature of the island is to perform experiments. This must be just another experiment.
Human nature experiments were mentioned during the filmstrip.
A prominent human nature scientist was explicitly named during the filmstrip. He's known for performing experiments just like this one.
If pushing the button is that important, why not have the whole thing automated?
It just seems crazy to put two humans through this kind of torture of pushing a button every 108 minutes, without even knowing why.
The filmstrip seems vague and suspicious. Why not go into more detail about 'The Incident', and why the button has to be pushed in the first place?
The idea of a single button causing a single computer to save the world is just preposterous.



John: "This must be done. These numbers mean something."

The man in the filmstrip puts a lot of importance on pressing the button.
The numbers appear over and over and over - in Hurley's life, on the hatch, broadcast off the island, etc. It's unlikely a simple code for an experiment would appear so many times just by coincidence.
The Numbers mean so much to Hurley, Lenny, Danielle, etc.. It's unlikely that a simple code for a human behavioral experiment would have such an impact on so many people.
The people at the Dharma Initiative have gone to a lot of trouble to perform a simple experiment.
We've already seen some really strange things on this island. It's not too hard to believe that something bad could happen if we don't press the button.
Sometimes you've got to take a leap of faith and just believe.

It could, possibly, be rigged to send a signal ...

Perhaps that's what was broadcasting the numbers that Danielle heard....

540 days. 180 times 5 or:

There are 777,600 minutes in 540 days

meaning that the button gets pushed exactly 7200 times in that period of time.

Could these new numbers somehow be related to an opposite number set?

Maybe something like 0, 6,7, 54, 72, 77 (total 216)

i am not sure sure if this has been brought up or not ( haven'r seen it) but everyne keeps lookinf for a code or something involved with 540 180X5 and 7200 well maybe it is this; 180 as in 180 degres or a half rotation, 540 is 1.5 rotations and 720 is 2 complete rotations making 7200 = 20 rotations.

Rotation are also used to decribe Orbits?

Just a crazy thought.

Perhaps that's what was broadcasting the numbers that Danielle heard....

I was wondering if the numbers transmission wasn't a signal. If the numbers were heard.. then 'all was well'. If the numbers weren't heard then perhaps it was a signal that the project was over.

Danielle changed the signal...the project was abandoned. If the powers that be heard a message that said "They are all dead and I'm alone' they might, if they had foreknowledge of any 'sickness' simply assumed that Danielle (mistakenly thought to be one of their test subjects) was not long for this world and did not risk going after her.

Of course that doesn't account for the supply of food in the hatch if the hatch powers that be gave up on the project 16 years ago nor do we know how long Calvin was there.

I don't know if it's been said already, but I take "3 of 6" to mean something different. The opening frames of the film show "The Dharma Initiative..... 3 of 6.... Orientation". It could mean that this is film number 3 (called Orientation) in a six film series.

The word "Orientation" could have a different meaning, too. Is this an orientation film introducing you to the project, or is "Orientation" the name of the experiement that is being performed?

My take on the logo is that each station will have a "similar" logo. It will have the same octogonal shape with the outer rings, but the center will be different. If you look at the screen caps of the shark logo, you'll see it's similar but not exactly the same.
I think it's #3 of six orientations for each station. Why? Because the narrator makes a point to say that "this" is the SWAN station. If the film had been made in 1980, there was pleanty of time to get the other films to them if all 6 were for the same experiment. But where are films 1&2? No, I am certain that each unit has it's own film. And I also think that each has it's own symbol, also because of the narrator pointing out this one was the SWAN and the shark.

corvin12xu:
180 as in 180 degres or a half rotation, 540 is 1.5 rotations and 720 is 2 complete rotations making 7200 = 20 rotations.

Crazy, indeed! Like a fox....maybe nothing, but remember all the spinning in MOSMOF? Interesting, anyway (but also remember our 'magic' # is 108, not 180)
teriac

I found someone and something that ties into almost every project mentioned in the video. I posted this in my other thread:

It seems as though the geodesic doem that the are in they are only in the top 1/3 to 1/2 of it. There is plenty of room underneath to house a much larger coil. Also we don't know what is behind that one wall. My high school had a very large 20 foot tesla coil they made in the 70's that they only powered up once because it jammed the radar at the Portland International Airport. The Air National Guard made them render it inopperable after its first run. Remember Tesla did much of his research in the early part of the century. If we can go from the Wright brothers plane to the Space Shuttle in the same period, and the Model T to Formula 1 cars, I can imagine there is some room for improvement in the design of the coil. I would imagine that using a high powered magnetic field it woudl almost be possible to direct the energy from the coil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla
Tesla had his hands in almost every project mentioned in the video. He even showed some signs of being obsessed with numbers.
some interesting quotes:

Tesla, at his lab, proved that the earth was a conductor and produced artificial lightning (with the discharges consisting of millions of volts and were up to 135 feet long). [16]. Tesla also investigated atmospheric electricity, observing lightning signals via his receivers. Reproductions of Tesla's receivers and coherer circuits show an unpredicted level of complexity (eg., distributed high-Q helical resonators, radio frequency feedback, crude heterodyne effects, and regeneration techniques). [17] Tesla stated that he observed stationary waves during this time. [18].


In the Colorado Springs lab, he "recorded" signals of what he believed were extraterrestrial radio signals. His announcements and data were rejected by the scientific community. He noted measurements of repetitive signals from his receiver which are substantially different from the signals he had noted from storms and earth noise. Specifically, he later recalled that the signals appeared in groups of one, two, three, and four clicks together.
Tesla started to exhibit pronounced symptoms of obsessive-compulsive disorder in the years following. He became obsessed with the number three. He often felt compelled to walk around a block three times before entering a building, demanded a stack of three folded cloth napkins beside his plate at every meal, etc
When he was eighty-one, Tesla stated he had completed a unified field theory. He stated that it was "worked out in all details" and hoped to give to the world the theory soon. [23] The theory was never published
At the time of his death, Tesla had been working on some form of teleforce weapon, or death ray. It appears that his proposed death ray was related to his research into ball lightning and plasma. After the FBI was contacted by the War Department, his papers were declared to be top secret. All of his personal effects were seized on the advice of presidential advisors, and J. Edgar Hoover declared the case "most secret", because of the nature of Tesla's inventions and patents. [24]

Like many of his era, Tesla became a proponent of an imposed selective breeding version of eugenics. The totality of his ideas, though, are difficult to place in any eugenicist school of thought. In a 1937 interview, he stated,

[...] man's new sense of pity began to interfere with the ruthless workings of nature. The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the deliberate guidance of the mating instinct [...]. The trend of opinion among eugenists is that we must make marriage more difficult. Certainly no one who is not a desirable parent should be permitted to produce progeny. A century from now it will no more occur to a normal person to mate with a person eugenically unfit than to marry a habitual criminal. [28]

In 1926, Tesla in an interview, commenting on the ills of the social subservience of women and the struggle of women toward sex equality, indicated that humanity's future would be run by "Queen Bees". He believed that women would become the dominant sex in the future. [29]



On a less serious note ever play Command and Conquer?

You can view it here: http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=videostream9bd.swf


I was more refering to the actual symbols that would represent the other experiments. The hatch is 3 of 6 "The Swan"

so is 1 of 6 "The Shark" ?
2 of 6 "The Polar Bear" ?
3 of 6 "The Golden Lab" ?

Crazy, indeed! Like a fox....maybe nothing, but remember all the spinning in MOSMOF? Interesting, anyway (but also remember our 'magic' # is 108, not 180)
teriac
I think it was a typo. 180 wouldn't equal the 540 but 108 would.

I found someone and something that ties into almost every project mentioned in the video. I posted this in my other thread:

It seems as though the geodesic doem that the are in they are only in the top 1/3 to 1/2 of it. There is plenty of room underneath to house a much larger coil. Also we don't know what is behind that one wall. My high school had a very large 20 foot tesla coil they made in the 70's that they only powered up once because it jammed the radar at the Portland International Airport. The Air National Guard made them render it inopperable after its first run. Remember Tesla did much of his research in the early part of the century. If we can go from the Wright brothers plane to the Space Shuttle in the same period, and the Model T to Formula 1 cars, I can imagine there is some room for improvement in the design of the coil. I would imagine that using a high powered magnetic field it woudl almost be possible to direct the energy from the coil.


On a less serious note ever play Command and Conquer?

Yes and those tesla weapons sure pack a punch. :D

Makes you wonder if that's what brought down the plane. Wonder if the writers are big C&C fans too? :)

I found someone and something that ties into almost every project mentioned in the video. I posted this in my other thread:



I'm just glad Hanso & Tesla don't form anagrams of each other.

I seem to remember that he said he was stationed on an island during a war and heard the numbers being transmitted? Of course he could be lying or I could be wrong :)
NUMBERS

HURLEY: Wait a sec, wait a sec. I need some answers.

(The Orderly pushes Hurley aside.)

ORDERLY: Sir, sir. You need to step away.

(The Orderly grabs Lenny and guides him toward the door.)

HURLEY: Lenny, the numbers! Where'd you get them?

LEONARD SIMMS: (shouts over his shoulder) Sam Toomey! He heard them!

HURLEY: Who's Sam Toomey?

LEONARD SIMMS: He heard them in Kalgoorlie.

HURLEY: What's Kalgoorlie?

(The Orderly and Leonard are at the door.)

LEONARD SIMMS: It's a town where we used to work.

HURLEY: A town where?

(The Orderly pulls Leonard out the door.)

LEONARD SIMMS: In Australia!

Later in Australia

[INT. (AUSTRALIA) SAM TOOMEY'S RESIDENCE - LIVING ROOM -- DAY - CONTINUOUS -
FLASHBACK]

HURLEY: -- Leonard Simms.

(Martha Toomey carries in a couple of tea cups into the living room.)

MARTHA TOOMEY: That's right. They served together in the U.S. Navy. How is
Leonard? Still in the service?

(She hands Hurley a cup of tea.)

HURLEY: Uh, he's, um ... retired.

(Hurley stares at his cup. Martha sits down. She smiles at him.)

HURLEY: Anyway ... he told me about Sam ... hearing something.

MARTHA TOOMEY: Oh. You're talking about the numbers.

HURLEY: Yes. The numbers. Exactly. Do you know anything about them?

MARTHA TOOMEY: Sam and Leonard were stationed at a listening post monitoring
long wave transmissions over the pacific. Boring job. Sam hated it. Nothing
to do but listen to static night after night -- till one night, back sixteen
years ago, there's something in the static. A voice cuts through -- a voice
repeating those number over and over again.

Thanks for the transcript. Clarity on a thread is *very* important..haha. I appreciate the effort.

Also, on the PROM comment - I thought the same thing. An Apple II would need a disk to boot anyway (to do anything besides sit at a prompt and type PRINT commands [hey at least its a calculator]), so the program/OS running on this thing has to be written on a chip, especially for it to boot right into it without even the Apple II ProDOS/DOS loading. Nice catch.

And now that the thread is 27+ pages... Geeze.

But, did you notice that there WERE two 5-1/4 inch floppy drives attached to it? So, we can't use the computer for anything else than entering the numbers, but there's the means of using it for something else. I mean, the guys could have flashed a ProDOS screen for a second, then done a quick cut to the lostaways, then back to the screen to see the cursor, and then we could "assume" a passing of time. Either that didn't occur to them, or it's a clue. (And, they sure do pay attention to the other details.) :cool:

Also, I remember the boot times. I worked for one company that put out it's software on Apple IIe. To go from one piece of software to another was a real pain, with a customer on the phone hollering and asking what was taking so long. :ohwell:

Well, they're not the same actors but I can truly see that they could supposedly be the same characters older. But let's do some math.

If they showed us the two in 1970 and they looked to be about 25 (woman) and 30 (man) that would make them much too old to be those two on the boat. The man on the boat looks about 40-45 (but he'd have to be about 65) and the woman on the boat looks about 35-40 (but she'd have to be about 50). Looking at it that way, I don't think it's them.

But there is a resemblance and it's odd how the man has the bushy beard and the woman is a blonde.

The Hanso Foundation active projects: Life-Extension Project & Cryogenics Development Imperative

I didn't think this thread would get that long. I can't even follow it anymore! :( Too much info and now my head is swimming. So what's the hot topic right now?

Crazy, indeed! Like a fox....maybe nothing, but remember all the spinning in MOSMOF? Interesting, anyway (but also remember our 'magic' # is 108, not 180)
teriac

180 was brought another time not from the 108 minutes

Also about the 108 wasn't the chicken scrathes marking intervals of 5 on the wall? 108x5=540. or a day and a half.

And now that the thread is 27+ pages... Geeze.

But, did you notice that there WERE two 5-1/4 inch floppy drives attached to it? So, we can't use the computer for anything else than entering the numbers, but there's the means of using it for something else. I mean, the guys could have flashed a ProDOS screen for a second, then done a quick cut to the lostaways, then back to the screen to see the cursor, and then we could "assume" a passing of time. Either that didn't occur to them, or it's a clue. (And, they sure do pay attention to the other details.) :cool:

Also, I remember the boot times. I worked for one company that put out it's software on Apple IIe. To go from one piece of software to another was a real pain, with a customer on the phone hollering and asking what was taking so long. :ohwell:

Suppose the boot order checks the floppy drive before booting off some internal OS/application chip.

Perhaps if a floppy was detected, the computer would boot off the floppy, and run whatever was found there instead of the program that accepts The Numbers.

If this were the case, perhaps the people in The Swan should be warned against using the computer for anything else...
Oh. Wait.

I'm still not convinced of ultra strong magnetic fields and the Swan station was/is being used to study them. If these magnetic fields were really all that strong, the Orientation filmstrip would be ruined and the electical equipment wouldn't function correctly, if at all (none of it looked shielded). If it's really all that strong, I think it would have done a lot more than just lift the key away from Jack's neck. That makes me wonder even more if the whole thing in the film saying the Swan station is for studying the magnetic field in the area is just a lie and it really is nothing more than a psych experiment.

Actually, I've never heard of magnetic fields affecting celluloid. The film is just worn from use.

Jack's key was affected when the "magnet" was in a passive state. It probably gets a lot stronger when active. This is common, electromagnets when used retain some magnetic force even when no current is going through them, it's part of the whole polarization thing that happens in the metal.

magnetic fields will affect video tapes, audio tapes, and computer disks. Those are magnetic based. Film wouldn't be affected.

Don't know if this has been addressed but celluloid drys with age casing it to crack and the quality to fade.


Jack's key was affected when the "magnet" was in a passive state. It probably gets a lot stronger when active. This is common, electromagnets when used retain some magnetic force even when no current is going through them, it's part of the whole polarization thing that happens in the metal.


or they could have been constructing a Faraday cage or it is an old one in need of repair.

*I'm wondering exactly where 'Dr. Candle' was when the orientation film was being made.
The funky window backdrop bugs me.
Is he on the island? He mentions the magnetic properties of 'this sector of the island.'


this is HUGE, imho...

combine this, with the fact that he's got a bum wing, and i would like to speculate, that He Filmed this, from inside the Swan Hatch... he WAS Kelvin's predecessor, and he's the one, that altered the film, at some point, before he left the hatch...


great point...

Wow there are a lot of messages on this topic. My quick two or three cents:

1. Is Hanso Locke's dad? My guess is yes. They appear quite similar (esp. the nose).

2. Are the Salty Ole Sea Dog Captain and Sea chick actually the Doctors de Groot? I say yes as well. I think they're the same actors. Whatever explanation there is for it will be revealed later.

3. Did anyone notice the three college students walking together in the film? I think the one in the middle looks a bit like Kate, and perhaps the one up front could be that dude who died in the car crash. No positive answer on that, just a guess.

That's it for now.

- Mike

Wow I didn't even pick up on any of that, oh well back to the tape.

I don't think the film is authentic. I don't think it was filmed decades ago, just made to look that way.

I think it's a setup to test the viewer, to see if he'll blindly follow orders and get hooked into some strange ritual, just because he's afraid of dying if he doesn't. If he chooses that way of life instead of making his own choices, it's like he's joined a cult out of fear.

It reminded me of a Twilight Zone episode. Wm Shatner gets hooked on a fortune telling machine in a restaurant in a small town. He hands his autonomy over to the machine and can no longer make decisions on his own. He's afraid of what will happen if he disregards the fortune telling machine.

Desmond was controlled by fear. His faith was based on fear. Locke willingly goes along and takes the first shift because he needs it to be real.

First post, woot!. I'm going along with the theory that only STATION 3 is on THIS island. One, it film said the location was choosen for the magnetic properties of the island. Secondly....we can guess that each of the 6 locations has it's own logo. The logo for station 3 is the Dharma swan. Why would the Dharma Swan be the only logo on the tail of the shark in the ocean that attacks the raft? Why wouldn't it be the logo for one of the other groups. I bet if the LostAways were to find the polar bear remains, a logo would be found somewhere on it as well.

The logo I saw on the shark looked like an Octagon, but I didn't see the swan. Was it really there?

I really do not know, if this has been brought to your mind, but the city displayed in this short film, is in fact a city in Norway, Narvik.

http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~jonkjeti/Lost/Narvik2.jpg

Now, this brings me to my final part. I can not remember where I read this, but I know that I did. Many years ago, a Norwegian explorer came across an Island, an Island which is supposed to be located in the area where the plane went down. The captain of this ship, wrote down the coordinates of this island, and the Norwegian government set out to find them, hoping to expand the Norwegian terretory. But, they never found the island again. LAter as years passed, the United States of America got the word of this Island, and wanted to use the island as a navy base. The Americans set out to find it at the given coordinates, but it was gone. Later, one single report has come in, that some tourists accidently has come across the island, but appearently, they couldnt find it again. As to this day, another attempt is being made to find the mising Island.

Why do I tell you this?
To me, LOST has its roots in the reality, which the short movie shows. It has been comfirmed by the city of Narvik, who has studied the images, that the movie of the city has been shot in the early 80's. That part has not been shot by any fotagrafers in the LOST crew. So why would the lost crew use footage of an Norwegian city, when they easily could have shot new footage? I think its clear. They use that footage, because the place is linked to what is happening to the island.

Thanks, Shawshank! Are you watching the show in Norway? Is it on your local tv or satellite?

i agree about the BF skinner reference about seeing if they would push the button...also, did anyone catch where the movie was on the book shelf...behind the Turn of the Screw...that book is told from different points of view also, during the book, dead people show up...kidda weird about the parallels...

Does anyone else think that Dr. Campbell (from the video) looks like an older Jin?

Good catch about the book. Read the it has a fallible or unreliable narrator.

Learned that "Structural irony occurs when a double level of meaning is continued throughout a work by means of some inherent feature such as a hero, narrator, (http://web.uvic.ca/wguide/Pages/LTNarrator.html) or persona (http://web.uvic.ca/wguide/Pages/LTPersona.html) who is either naive or fallible (a participant in the story whose judgment is impaired by prejudice, personal interests or limited knowledge)."

http://web.uvic.ca/wguide/Pages/LTIrony.html#StructuralIrony

Thanks, Shawshank! Are you watching the show in Norway? Is it on your local tv or satellite?

I watch it on my local tv (and downloading as we are 4 weeks behind the states). Its like one of the hugest sucesses over here.
Somehow I do believe there might be a link between these two instances I just wrote down.

I mean. Let me put it this way. If the video that was shown, doesnt really relate to the Norwegian city, narvik, then why on earth would the LOST-creators dive into the archive, dig up a 25- year old movie, when they could have used any other city on this very clode, filmed it with an original camera, and then faked it. I think it was important that this clip was used, not only because its old, but because it actually portray the city who has magnificense to the hatch question. The city narvik, is over the polar circle, and its relatively cold there. Although polarbears dont live there, it would make sence why its studied there.

And could it be related to the Norwegian explorer, who discovered an Island, an Island no one has seen ever since? In the lost world, the answer to why this Island has never been found before, is that top-secret experiments was in the doings there. (Which it seemes like it is).

I thought that as well! Maybe Sayid's dad hehe

I thought that Dr. Campbell looked like an older Jin!

Maybe it's to give the film more authenticity. It might be very significant, I don't know.

The blonde in the film looks like Cynthia Watros who will play Libby on Lost. I think she's also the blonde on the boat. I think she will be lying to the Lostaways about who she really is. The blonde on the boat was wearing a white pendant. Here are some photos of the actress:

http://www.tv.com/cynthia-watros/person/1770/summary.html


http://members.tripod.com/~ryanfm/cynthiamain.html (http://members.tripod.com/%7Eryanfm/cynthiamain.html)

http://www.soap-news.com/gl/a/watros.htm

http://www.starpages.net/C/Y/Cynthia_Watros/953859408-1.html

Shawshank, it's great that it's a hit in Norway! How do you know about that explorer and how do you know he found the island?

The building that Alvar Hanso is shown in, is the City Hall of the norwegian city of Narvik.

Another link (http://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/2005/10/07/445691.html) about this, it's in norwegian but the images are pretty :)

The small town of Narvik is perhaps best known for its function as a port, shipping out of tons of iron ore every year. Due to that reason, it saw battle (http://www.immersed.com/Articles/narvik__norway.htm) in worldwar2. Some information about the village here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narvik), and I found this (http://www.narvikhavn.no/) for information on the Narvik naval port.

How is Alvar Hanso connected to this?

Narvik also has a cold weather research station. And, IIRC, they also test materials to see if they can survive the cold tempertures.

i agree about the BF skinner reference about seeing if they would push the button...also, did anyone catch where the movie was on the book shelf...behind the Turn of the Screw...that book is told from different points of view also, during the book, dead people show up...kidda weird about the parallels...

I posted something about turn of the screw here:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=527885&postcount=11

Henry James was into Swedenborgian mysticism, and Stephen King has included something akin to Swedenborgian space in some of his books. In the Gunslinger series, the sliding from world to world might be that same space.

Is there any significance to the fact that "Dr. Marvin Candle" is played by Marvin Candle? I've tried searching for him - and there's nothing. Is Marvin Candle a real person? And if not, who is the guy playing him in the video??

Is there any significance to the fact that "Dr. Marvin Candle" is played by Marvin Candle? I've tried searching for him - and there's nothing. Is Marvin Candle a real person? And if not, who is the guy playing him in the video??

Guest starring are Henry Ian Cusick as Desmond, Kevin Tighe as Cooper, Curtis Jackson as security guard, Katey Sagal as Helen, Roxie Sarhangi as Francine, Jeanne Rogers as moderator, Marvin Candle as Dr. Marvin Candle and Michael Lanzo as waiter.

From: http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=1882895&nav=menu29_9

Also, from TV.com: http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:ys94U4mneooJ:www.tv.com/orientation/episode/456069/cast.html+%22marvin+candle%22&hl=en&lr=lang_en

And, you're right. Nothing on him.

About the video on The Hanso Foundation site. If you do a "select all" on the screen, it's obvious that there is an "easter egg" highlighted BEHIND the video. The problem is if you copy and paste the selection, nothing behind the video is revealed. I find this quite odd, as there are easter eggs hidden on the Oceanic site that can be revealed in this manner. I even tried pasting it and changing the font color, just in case what is behind the video is in white. Still nothing. Does anyone know of another way to reveal what's hidden there?

HELP! I can not get the video to load or play on the hanso site?!? What am I doing wrong? I have a cable connection and have never had trouble before!

HELP! I can not get the video to load or play on the hanso site?!? What am I doing wrong? I have a cable connection and have never had trouble before!http://www.thehansofoundation.org/dharma.html
??????

Is it possible there are other important film strips hidden in the bookcase? Film titles such as...

..."Health Plan and Other Benefits", " Sexual Harrassment in the Workplace: Special '540 Consecutive Days with One Co-Worker' Edition", "Carreer Opportunties with The Dharma Initiative", "Mr Execute Button Explains the Numbers" (animated) and "A Clean Substation is a Happy Substation".

this is HUGE, imho...

combine this, with the fact that he's got a bum wing, and i would like to speculate, that He Filmed this, from inside the Swan Hatch... he WAS Kelvin's predecessor, and he's the one, that altered the film, at some point, before he left the hatch...

great point...
I did notice that the red light, outside of the room he's in, looks a lot like the lights in Desmond's hall (the area that leads to the hatch's shaft). And there is another room behind the Doctor. But if this was filmed inside the Swan bunker, or even inside another similar bunker, we haven't found that room yet. And I find it strange that they'd have glass windows down there. May be nothing, but I think it would be odd.

Now, while I do notice that he doesn't move is left arm, I'm not sure it's because it's not working ... although the sleeve does fall oddly for being a good arm, it looks stiff.

But I don't think he's Calvin's predecessor and I don't think he filmed the orientation (how could he get the camera to make close-ups or follow him when he walked if he was filming? No, someone else was filming. And I see no evidence that the film has been altered. It skips simply because it's old. I collect 16mm film and it must be kept in a cool, dry place or it will get brittle and even when it's that old, in the best conditions, it's going to fade and get splotchy. No telling, too, how many times it's been viewed. The more you play it, the more it gets worn out.

I watch it on my local tv (and downloading as we are 4 weeks behind the states). Its like one of the hugest sucesses over here.
Somehow I do believe there might be a link between these two instances I just wrote down.

I mean. Let me put it this way. If the video that was shown, doesnt really relate to the Norwegian city, narvik, then why on earth would the LOST-creators dive into the archive, dig up a 25- year old movie, when they could have used any other city on this very clode, filmed it with an original camera, and then faked it. I think it was important that this clip was used, not only because its old, but because it actually portray the city who has magnificense to the hatch question. The city narvik, is over the polar circle, and its relatively cold there. Although polarbears dont live there, it would make sence why its studied there.

And could it be related to the Norwegian explorer, who discovered an Island, an Island no one has seen ever since? In the lost world, the answer to why this Island has never been found before, is that top-secret experiments was in the doings there. (Which it seemes like it is).
I do think you've hit on something with this Norway city & the explorer connection. Nothing as important as a real city would have been put into this show without a reason! Do you know where we could find background on this story of the explorer and the island? I'd LOVE to research that ... if for nothing else, it's a marvelous story! I love the "unexplained."

One of the first international Lost websites I went to was Norway's. Isn't it interesting that they had an early interest in the show? http://www.lost-norge.net/go/61

As far as an explorer discovering the Island Jacob LeMaire
http://www.bataviaphotos.com/cape_horn/book.htm

One of the first international Lost websites I went to was Norway's. Isn't it interesting that they had an early interest in the show? http://www.lost-norge.net/go/61

As far as an explorer discovering the Island Jacob LeMaire
http://www.bataviaphotos.com/cape_horn/book.htm
Thank you, Sam G, for the link! I have bookmarked it and will go an read it now. But I did find interesting that one of the first things I saw on that page was, "Mirror of the Australian Navigation" ... mirrors and Australia. Hmmm ... Ok, I'm off to read that page.

ETA: I read the page but found nothing about the island that was discovered, but never found, by the Norwegian.

Any one have a way I can research that? Thanks.

This picture is now world famous in Norway :rolleyes:
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/4846/lostinnarvik5mm.jpg


Ok! here are some updated Narvik pic's, taken this afternoon:

This image is from almost same angle as movie clip.
http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/4369/hansofoundationhq0yx.jpg

Details of windows on building.
http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/7866/hansofoundationhqwindows8lj.jpg


Just nearby, on the town main square stands this geographical signpost.
Middle of nowhere....lol
http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/1082/middleofnowhere1dp.jpg


And then finally a detail from the statue,
i dont think even the production team of "Lost" knew about this one.....
http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/2383/dharvik0ts.jpg


Dharma + Narvik = Dharvik! :biggrin:

Now that last pic is spooky! :)

Thanks for the links.

This picture is now world famous in Norway :rolleyes:
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/4846/lostinnarvik5mm.jpg

Ok! here are some updated Narvik pic's, taken this afternoon:

This image is from almost same angle as movie clip.
http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/4369/hansofoundationhq0yx.jpg

Details of windows on building.
http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/7866/hansofoundationhqwindows8lj.jpg

Just nearby, on the town main square stands this geographical signpost.
Middle of nowhere....lol
http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/1082/middleofnowhere1dp.jpg

And then finally a detail from the statue,
i dont think even the production team of "Lost" knew about this one.....
http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/2383/dharvik0ts.jpg

Dharma + Narvik = Dharvik! :biggrin:

JL, you are too much! :24: I love it! That fountain ... almost thought it was really there (the emblem) until I noticed the lines going over the orb the woman is standing on!

But it IS interesting that the statue is standing in an octagon!

That last image http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/2383/dharvik0ts.jpg the dharma symbol is superimposed on the fountain. That's not a real picture.

That last image http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/2383/dharvik0ts.jpg the dharma symbol is superimposed on the fountain. That's not a real picture.
I know. ;) But the statue is standing in an octagon. :smile:

Wow, that freaked me out. Jane I'm glad you pointed out that it was fake. JL you would have had me if she didn't point that out!!! Good one.

Wow, that freaked me out. Jane I'm glad you pointed out that it was fake. JL you would have had me if she didn't point that out!!! Good one.
Scuba, you have to remember "John Locke" can be tricky at times! ;)

Yes. I found the article i read!
The island is named Schetman Reef. The article is in Norwegian though, and can be read here (http://www.dagbladet.no/magasinet/2005/09/27/444637.html). I will translate some of it:


"Schetmans Reef was discovered by Captain Ole Andreas Schjetnans from Trondheim (a Norwegian city) in 1868. He was captain of the ship "Anna" on its way from Australia to San Fransisco. They found the island after a horrible storm, went ashore and discovered that no one lived there. The discovery of the island was reported in to the British Admirality, and given the name "Schetman Reef", which was then pinpointed at the map. But no one has been there since.
The Island was reported to be 1.5 Nautic miles long (150km) and 0.5 nautic miles wide (5km) and positioned at 16° 8' N, 178° 58' W. Which is 16 degrees, 8 min north and 178 degrees, 58 min west.
The Island is to be counted for as Norwegian terretory.
The island is on the map, but its not where its pinpointed at the map.
At the 1880's the American navy sendt out the ship USS Alert to search for the island. They sailed to the position where it was supposed to be, but they didnt find it, and sailed away.
In 1923 the Americans wanted to create routs with "ariships" over the pacific ocean, and needed a base where they could make a "pitstop". They wanted to buy the island from the Schjetnan-family. The American destroyer USS Milwaukee set out to search for the island. They searched in a radious of 20 nautical miles around the position. But they couldnt find it either.
The following years, the American destroyers USS Whipporville and USS Tanager out to search, but found nothing. And then, in 1945, they searched with airplanes. They didnt find anything.
However. Someone has found the island. In the 1920's a short notice in the Norwegian newspaper "Aftenposten" told the story about a boat who has observed the island. This sailor is still alive, and lives in Hawaii.
Thor Heyerdal (Norwegian explorer (or what i should call him)) believed that the island could still be found, but that people who had made previous attempts, had been looking at the wrong place."


Another attempt to find the island, is being made at this day. However, they keep their information strictly secret. Their homepage can be found here (http://www.havaiki.no/Eng.htm)

Yes. I found the article i read!
The island is named Schetman Reef. The article is in Norwegian though, and can be read here (http://www.dagbladet.no/magasinet/2005/09/27/444637.html). I will translate some of it:

>>snip<<

Another attempt to find the island, is being made at this day. However, they keep their information strictly secret. Their homepage can be found here (http://www.havaiki.no/Eng.htm)
Thanks for this info. It really looks like the LOST island may have its roots in this story or at least it might be the basis for the plot. Good connection!

Hey look the statue is of Clair and her new baby Aaron.

http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/2383/dharvik0ts.jpg

Hey look the statue is of Clair and her new baby Aaron.

http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/2383/dharvik0ts.jpg
:24: I like that!

On another thread re: rabbits.........they recite 3 numbers. I wonder if it corresponds to any of these numbers?

Hey all, great thread!! Not sure if this is out of place but I wanted to mention that Ingo Swann (Swan station - get it?!?!) was well into remote viewing. I know this might be another (tedious) link but here it is anyway:

http://www.rviewer.com/IngoSwann_encyclopedia.html

So is the good Dr. Marvin Candle the same man who lost his arm in the jungle? The story that made Arzt leave the group in search of the Black Rock?

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/activeproject.html

:shock:

OMG! Now that is really scary!! :ermm:

Somewhere I remember reading that the guy who played the "doctor" in the film, that was his "real" name! It would be like listing a character in a LOST series by their name - like "Josh Holloway". Wonder if someone came up with that website. I noticed it was created in 2005. Hmmmm... Fake??

GL :coolorng:

Copyright 1980, the Hanso Corporation.
That explains the dated equipment,


ARRRRHGGGHHHH "1980 - the dated equipment"!! ARRRRGGGHHHHH!

Sorry, just a rant from some "dated equipment" :24:

GL :coolorng:

Is it possible there are other important film strips hidden in the bookcase? Film titles such as...

..."Health Plan and Other Benefits", " Sexual Harrassment in the Workplace: Special '540 Consecutive Days with One Co-Worker' Edition", "Carreer Opportunties with The Dharma Initiative", "Mr Execute Button Explains the Numbers" (animated) and "A Clean Substation is a Happy Substation".
:24: I'm looking for the "1,001 Gourmet Meals You Can Make In 108 Minutes Or Less" myself :)

Heh. Thats interesting. Also see where the "terms of use" link leads to:

http://disney.go.com/corporate/privacy/terms.html

;)

AHAAAAAAA!! So it is a "plant"!! I bet there will be many more where that one came from by the time LOST airs it's last episode!! I LOVE this show!!

GL :coolorng:

But what's Desmonds 'reward'? Not getting blown up.. ! I really did wish that Jack didn't hit that button.

You and me both!!

My guess is that it is station 3 of 6 meaning there are six projects total - all in different areas.

Does anyone else think the "Hanso" emblem looks a little "Swaztiky"?? The Nazi Germans did a lot a veeeeeeeery strange experiments on people during WWII. They loved to get their hands on pregnant women!!

It was also strange that Skinner was mentioned because that's exactly what Jack said to Desmond about getting him to press the button every 108 minutes!

I was with Jack when Locke said, "We're going to have to watch that again". "NO, 'we're' not"!

GL :coolorng:

Ah, Yea. I saw that connection today. Too much like a swastika.

Don't know if this has been addressed but celluloid drys with age casing it to crack and the quality to fade.

Right. AMC channel has been doing a lot of stuff with Turner network to bestore a lot of old films. Also, celluoid is very flammable.

or they could have been constructing a Faraday cage or it is an old one in need of repair.

Those are good at keeping RF energy in, or out. Not magnetism.

Right. AMC channel has been doing a lot of stuff with Turner network to bestore a lot of old films. Also, celluoid is very flammable.

Yes, it will melt and curl very quickly just being exposed to long periods of sunlight.


Those are good at keeping RF energy in, or out. Not magnetism.

I have just started to learn about them. I realized that they were for keeping certain things in or out, but ( I am probably confused - There's a surprise :biggrin: ) I was under the impressing, while constructing one it gives off an EM field. Causing small amounts of magnetism.
The reason I brought this up was because the buckets of concrete in the hatch, looks like they never finished or it is need of repairer. Maybe what is causing the magnetic pull, they were building it to try to keep something in.

Just random thoughts. I think they are the only kind I have ;)

May or may not be the missing section but...
It's a computer. Why not program it to enter the numbers and run whatever program it runs automatically?

It's a pretty old system (extremely old, actually). To revamp and reprogram it, would require time, and that would mean taking the system off line for what would likely be more than 108 minutes. Maybe they were figuring out a way to do something like this, and sending people was temperary until they could figure out a way to program something automatically.

Something seems to have happened, and the place has been forgotten/neglected by the people who made it. If there are other experiments that were taking place on the island, I have to wonder when they went wrong, all hell broke loose and the foundation lost any possible control over the island.

About the Hanso site, "Remote Viewing"... isn't that premonition? I want to know what they're juxtapositioning with eugenics too. Perhaps breeding for superior genetics along with breeding for psychic ability? Weird.

:ohwell: :24: I'm looking for the "1,001 Gourmet Meals You Can Make In 108 Minutes Or Less" myself :)

I like that one.:biggrin:

But there might be a bit of a problem with that film being 120 minutes long.:undecide:

About the Hanso site, "Remote Viewing"... isn't that premonition? I want to know what they're juxtapositioning with eugenics too. Perhaps breeding for superior genetics along with breeding for psychic ability? Weird.
That part scared the holy crap out of me and maybe I've watched too many horror movies in my lifetime, but I can't help but think anything to do with Eugenics is just gonna be all shades of bad on island world.

That episode was awesome...and that is a great link. Underneath the links you can highlight Dharma Initiative in green.

Notice the filmstrip included a missing section

"The computer must never be used to....(Missing section)...Good luck with your task."

near the very end

I thought maybe the missing part was ... The computer must never be used to ... generate code to perform the task of putting in the numbers and hitting execute :) Somehow I got that impression??

On another thread re: rabbits.........they recite 3 numbers. I wonder if it corresponds to any of these numbers?
Who's "they," Walt? Not the rabbits? :confused:

So is the good Dr. Marvin Candle the same man who lost his arm in the jungle? The story that made Arzt leave the group in search of the Black Rock?
Was his name "Marvin?" Oh wow, if it was!

And then finally a detail from the statue,
i dont think even the production team of "Lost" knew about this one.....
http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/2383/dharvik0ts.jpg
I know the Dharma insignia is super imposed, but it makes the meaning really stand out. And as Gobi-1 said, "Claire and her baby Aaron", which makes perfect sense. The psychic was adamant that she not allow anyone else to raise her child, but yet had found a couple in Los Angeles (the DeGroots?) she could give him to. Could it be that he knew about the Dharma group and sold her out for their experiments or did he send her there to save the world somehow? Afterall, several areas of research in the film could certainly make good use of Aaron for a variety of experiments.

Does anyone else think the "Hanso" emblem looks a little "Swaztiky"??

I thought it looked like an H and an F laid over each other crossways (Hanso Foundation), but I'm sort of a "literalist".

OMG! Now that is really scary!! :ermm:

Somewhere I remember reading that the guy who played the "doctor" in the film, that was his "real" name! It would be like listing a character in a LOST series by their name - like "Josh Holloway". Wonder if someone came up with that website. I noticed it was created in 2005. Hmmmm... Fake??

GL :coolorng:
That website is owned by ABC.

:ohwell:

I like that one.:biggrin:

But there might be a bit of a problem with that film being 120 minutes long.:undecide:
I'm sure our geniuses at Dharma have already thought of that one and consulted with Martha Stewart so each recipe has a "simmer for 10 minutes section" which allows you plenty of time to type some numbers, push some buttons and finely chop the next ingredient :biggrin:

I'm sure our geniuses at Dharma have already thought of that one and consulted with Martha Stewart so each recipe has a "simmer for 10 minutes section" which allows you plenty of time to type some numbers, push some buttons and finely chop the next ingredient :biggrin:

Yes, and I believe Martha Stewart is part of the Dharma Initiatve. The name, Martha Stewart, is an angram for "AM THE WART STAR". A theory that will reveal everything, and put the writers back on the streets squeegeeing windshields, is in development...

(Just kidding about the writers bit. They are the best! But I am dead serious on my Martha Theory. See you all in a week. I'm the doing the research thing!)

I know the Dharma insignia is super imposed, but it makes the meaning really stand out. And as Gobi-1 said, "Claire and her baby Aaron", which makes perfect sense. The psychic was adamant that she not allow anyone else to raise her child, but yet had found a couple in Los Angeles (the DeGroots?) she could give him to. Could it be that he knew about the Dharma group and sold her out for their experiments or did he send her there to save the world somehow? Afterall, several areas of research in the film could certainly make good use of Aaron for a variety of experiments.I like it but don't you think the DeGroots might be too old? The pictures in the film talks about them in 1970 at the youngest maybe 23 but probably older that would make them 57 now. Not old but older than the normal adoptive parents.

But I could see it as part of the plot.

I know the Dharma insignia is super imposed, but it makes the meaning really stand out. And as Gobi-1 said, "Claire and her baby Aaron", which makes perfect sense. The psychic was adamant that she not allow anyone else to raise her child, but yet had found a couple in Los Angeles (the DeGroots?) she could give him to. Could it be that he knew about the Dharma group and sold her out for their experiments or did he send her there to save the world somehow? Afterall, several areas of research in the film could certainly make good use of Aaron for a variety of experiments.

See, I always interpreted it as the psychic knew the plane was going to crash; that's why he was so adamant about her getting on that flight, because he knew she would have to raise the baby herself. Of course, then the larger question becomes: did he really know they'd survive the plane crash, or was he signing their death warrant?

Was his name "Marvin?" Oh wow, if it was!

It started with M, but it was French. It could be the French equivalent of Marvin.

It would also have been the wrong time period. She was there 16 years ago, the film was from 1980.
But it's possible that they spoke, and she is just mentioning that Candle lost his arm here.
She said she's never seen anyone else on the island, but I don't know that she's a reliable source of information.

I don't know if I believe they are on the same island. I like the idea that there are six islands, close together, and that each one has its own realm of interest. I think the others that took Walt are probably from one of the nearby islands.

However, now that I've put down theory, we'll see something in the very next episode to stomp all over it.

I don't know if I believe they are on the same island. I like the idea that there are six islands, close together, and that each one has its own realm of interest. I think the others that took Walt are probably from one of the nearby islands.

However, now that I've put down theory, we'll see something in the very next episode to stomp all over it.
The bits that say to me that there's only one island is:

'The Swan was originally built to study the electromagnetic fluctuations emminating from This Sector of the island'. That sounds to me like there's different sectors on the island being used for different areas of study.

The poar bears and shark would seem to have come from the Zoolology research station. The bears being on this island might be able to swim there, but it seems more likely that the research station they came from was on this island.

The strange weather - rain suddenly starting & stopping - would seem to come from the meterology station.

Whatever is going on with The Others could be explained by the parpasychology station.

A security system composed of seemingly intelligent smoke capable of uprooting trees seems like a pretty unique thing to me. Dupicating it for 6 islands seems... difficult? Granted, we have no real idea what that stuff is, but still. One of them seems rather fantastic. 6 of them seems really out there.

And if we have 6 islands to keep track of, I believe my head will surely explode.

But, time will tell.

Ok, I had to stop reading on page 10 but so far I guess I'm the only one who thought the female researcher looked like Shannon, possibly Shannon's birth mother. I think there's more than one station on the island because of the polar bear but they aren't all on the same island, just in this island chain.

Ok, I had to stop reading on page 10 but so far I guess I'm the only one who thought the female researcher looked like Shannon, possibly Shannon's birth mother. I think there's more than one station on the island because of the polar bear but they aren't all on the same island, just in this island chain.


Do the ages work for that?

Shannon looks like she's about mid 20's now, so born around late 70's.
I guess that could work then.

Interesting idea.

I wonder what sort of nationality the female researcher is. She's referred to as 'Karen DeGroot'... She could have married into the DeGroot name, or been a DeGroot sibling, and married Shannon's father later.

It certainly would be interesting to find a connection through the research conducted on the island. Sort of like X-Files where Mulder's parents and the others involved in covert projects had to choose one of their children for the extraterrestrial kidnapping.

Do the ages work for that?

Shannon looks like she's about mid 20's now, so born around late 70's.
I guess that could work then.

Interesting idea.

I wonder what sort of nationality the female researcher is. She's referred to as 'Karen DeGroot'... She could have married into the DeGroot name, or been a DeGroot sibling, and married Shannon's father later.

Shannon was 20 in 2004. So she was born in 1984. Nothing has ever been said about her mother, only her father.

Are the DeGroots married? That's the first thing I assumed (bad thing) but does it state anywhere in the film how they are connected? Could they be brother & sister?

Shannon was 20 in 2004. So she was born in 1984. Nothing has ever been said about her mother, only her father.
Only 20? Dang. I was way off.


Are the DeGroots married? That's the first thing I assumed (bad thing) but does it state anywhere in the film how they are connected? Could they be brother & sister?
No, unfortunately, it doesn't explicitly state this either way. I also assumed they were married. :frown:

Further discussion was also here:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=21632

rigin of the Surname DeGroot

Dutch. The great, tall, large man; or if local, from the town of Groot, in Holland, which signifies the great or large place; from de, the, and groot, great.

It might explain why Shannon's also special, if it's true.

rigin of the Surname DeGroot

Dutch. The great, tall, large man; or if local, from the town of Groot, in Holland, which signifies the great or large place; from de, the, and groot, great.

Hey Sam G, how about The Greater Good?

Is there anyway that Dr. Candle is the man Danielle referred to as her team member who lost his arm?

There is definitely something wrong with his left arm.

Arm length & hand size don't match up.

http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=arm30cs.jpg

In this picture it looks like his hand is totally missing!

http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=arm66af.jpg

I dont think so....why would it be 6 different islands when it seems all the experiments are happening on this island. We know the electro studies are going on here...it seems the zoology is also on this island...maybe the meterology...i also think some of the visions and maybe walts powers have something to with some of these studies....maybe the "remote" whatever it was.....it seems to me that all these things are happening on different parts of the island.....if it is an island.

Yes. I think you're on to something here. I think we've seen evidence of
Electromagetism..Jack's key attracting to the wall in the Swan hatch.
Remote Viewing..the whisperer's and Walt's eery appearance whilst talking backwards.
Juxtapositional Eugenics..the polar bears, and the Others as well as the kidnapping of children could all play in to this item.
Mathematical Forecasting...the numbers. nuff said.

That leaves 3: cryogenics, extra-terrestrial intelligence and life extension.

But wait! That's seven experiments and there are only 6 according to the movie.

Oh man...good stuff!

Is it possible there are other important film strips hidden in the bookcase? Film titles such as...

..."Health Plan and Other Benefits", " Sexual Harrassment in the Workplace: Special '540 Consecutive Days with One Co-Worker' Edition", "Carreer Opportunties with The Dharma Initiative", "Mr Execute Button Explains the Numbers" (animated) and "A Clean Substation is a Happy Substation".

LOL!!! After 30 pages of theory overload, I needed this! Thank you!

Yes. I think you're on to something here. I think we've seen evidence of
Electromagetism..Jack's key attracting to the wall in the Swan hatch.
Remote Viewing..the whisperer's and Walt's eery appearance whilst talking backwards.
Juxtapositional Eugenics..the polar bears, and the Others as well as the kidnapping of children could all play in to this item.
Mathematical Forecasting...the numbers. nuff said.

That leaves 3: cryogenics, extra-terrestrial intelligence and life extension.

But wait! That's seven experiments and there are only 6 according to the movie.

Oh man...good stuff!

Cryogenics: I for one think Jack was not hallucinating when he saw his father on the Island. If that proves to be the case, then you know what that means.

I was wondering why the filmstrip was hidden at all. If Des is the only person there, who is he hiding it from?

the filmstrip says they will only be located there for the next 540 days. wouldn't that be over by now?

That's interesting too. But then how did flight 815 crash? Was it maybe towards the end of the count down? Does the magnet get stronger as it counts down the minutes, so pushing the button resets it? And if the button isn't pushed it goes on at full strength?


I am beginning to wonder if the plane really crashed at all... What if they were all drugged and duped into believing it did crash? I realize there are some holes in this theory, such as the people who were killed and such, but it could be one way to bring new subjects to the island.

I really do not know, if this has been brought to your mind, but the city displayed in this short film, is in fact a city in Norway, Narvik.

http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~jonkjeti/Lost/Narvik2.jpg (http://www.stud.ntnu.no/%7Ejonkjeti/Lost/Narvik2.jpg)

The founder is Danish, but in the film we see him in a building in Norway. Maybe that's a clue that the film is not true.

Can you give us a closeup of that statue, Shawshank?

I haven't been able to read the board in a few days, so sorry if this has been mentioned before.

The founder is Danish, but in the film we see him in a building in Norway. Maybe that's a clue that the film is not true.
As far as I know, they let the Dutch into Norway. ;)

As far as I know, they let the Dutch into Norway. ;)

heh.

I think the only pre-requisite for entering Norway is that you have to have blond hair.


(hmmm... blond hair... Nazi ubermen...hmmm....)

ok so....I havn't said this yet but, what would Nazi's have to do with anything

If you have the DVD's from the first season watch Matthw Fox's audition tape. He is auditioning for the Sawyer part. He talks about a job in MiamiJob.
A scheme to swindle Holocust survivor's out of money. This might not be what the Tampa Job ends up being in the series but when they were first auditioning actors this was part of the story.

We do have the: http://www.flholocaustmuseum.org/ but it's not in Tampa, it's in St. Pete

I was wondering why the filmstrip was hidden at all. If Des is the only person there, who is he hiding it from?

Maybe he didn't "hide" it, he watched it once 3 years ago, why would he have to rewatch it over and over again. The magazine were more important

I've not gone yet, guess it's not something I've gotten around to. I went to the Dali museum so far.

ok so....I havn't said this yet but, what would Nazi's have to do with anything

Check out this thread :biggrin:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=536691#post536691

when dr. degroots is walking through the classroom/lab, there's a guy in a short-sleeved white shirt on the left side of the screen that I swear is Christian Bowman (Steve?). Any takers?

We do have the: http://www.flholocaustmuseum.org/ but it's not in Tampa, it's in St. Pete
Sorry of topic:

I have seen Dachau, I cried for days. It is not something I would ever wish to repeat but I am glad I went.

the filmstrip included a missing section...near the very end

To me, there are 4 possibilities to the splice at the end of the film.

1. A reaction to "The Incident"
Perhaps the change in protocol was required, and the change coincided with changing the film and splicing out section that became thusly irrelevant...though, why tease it then?

2. Age
Of course, Sir Occam might lean me toward the simple explanation that "film got old and had to be spliced". Occam can cut himself on his razor, I'm too analytical to allow my speculations to be so thwarted!

3. Psychological test revisited
Were this a physchological experiment, what better way to observe human curiousity and independence than to tease and subsequently leave out a crucial piece of information from the film. Would implied fear stop them, or would they move past this stimulus and test their boundaries?

4. Singularity approaches
Perhaps the computer is part of a huge AI project that Hanso is running through Dharma. Perhaps their goals were not yet met and the project could not roll-out as planned due to a lack of failsafes in place or not enough security measures installed, or not enough has been "taught". This would be quite a moment to witness, should a computer capable of artificial intelligence, and perhaps sentience awaiting, masked by a 25 year old computer chassis. Perhaps "the numbers" are a security loop to hold back the rollout, since it cannot yet safely be accessed nor invoked without dire consequences.

Apologies if this was covered, and credit to the original theorists if so, but I did execute my due diligence with a thread search first before posting.

Also, my apologies if this belongs in speculation...

Salute!
-Mang

3. Psychological test revisited
Were this a physchological experiment, what better way to observe human curiousity and independence than to tease and subsequently leave out a crucial piece of information from the film. Would implied fear stop them, or would they move past this stimulus and test their boundaries?

4. Singularity approaches
Perhaps the computer is part of a huge AI project that Hanso is running through Dharma. Perhaps their goals were not yet met and the project could not roll-out as planned due to a lack of failsafes in place or not enough security measures installed, or not enough has been "taught". This would be quite a moment to witness, should a computer capable of artificial intelligence, and perhaps sentience awaiting, masked by a 25 year old computer chassis. Perhaps "the numbers" are a security loop to hold back the rollout, since it cannot yet safely be accessed nor invoked without dire consequences.


These 2 I like the best. They lend well to a lot of good theories that have been discussed on this board

Heh. Thats interesting. Also see where the "terms of use" link leads to:

http://disney.go.com/corporate/privacy/terms.html

;)

Yep, you are onto it... Disney owns Hanso. The Evil plan thickens...

Yep, you are onto it... Disney owns Hanso. The Evil plan thickens...

I have aways known Disney was insidious!
"Hand that rocks the cradle" and all that :biggrin:

After scanning the whole thread, here are a few things I can add that might be relevant:

1. From my notes on Exodus Part 1, this quote from Arzt, after he decides to return to camp rather than continue on the dynamite expedition: "That was before Montan [sp?] lost his frickin' arm." Could Montan, or whatever it is, be the French equivalent of Marvin? As in Dr. Marvin Candle?

2. All of the computers and other key electronic equipment in Station 3 are contained within the geodesic dome - even in the model shown in the film. Given that the site is a lab "where scientists could work to understand the unique electromagnetic fluctuations emanating from this sector of the island," might the dome itself be a Faraday cage designed to shield the equipment from the potent electromagnetic forces nearby? The pull on Jack's key indicates a strong magnetic field, but magnetic fields generate electric currents, and vice versa. If the source is strong enough to make Desmond's fillings hurt, it surely could interfere with electronic equipment that is not properly shielded.

3. The film was altered deliberately, right after the reference to B. F. Skinner. Another voice - different, louder, but very brief - substitutes "Matt," or something similar, in place of the original audio (presumably, "The DeGroots"). So the altered version says, "...(MATT) envisioned a large-scale communal research compound..." This tells me that someone named Matt (or with a similar name) was miffed when the DeGroots got credit for his idea. Could be a motive for sabotage, and thus a possible cause of the "incident" later on?

I too, cant help but think about "Montan" when I think about Dr. Candle's arm

38 pages...

Wow.

I've been wondering why the "QUARANTINE" on the hatch was written on the inside. It lends to the theory that all 6 research stations are connected in someway.

I've been wondering why the "QUARANTINE" on the hatch was written on the inside. It lends to the theory that all 6 research stations are connected in someway.
How so?
I've been wondering why the warning is on the inside - and who exactly it is warning. My guess was the island was labeled as such to keep people inside the hatchelor pad. Or that at some point there was something that someone wanted to keep separate from both locations.
But I can't see how this relates to the research stations.

38 pages....arg.
can't..
read...
anymore.
oh mr_find, i do so hope someone starts a thread named "A Clean Substation is a Happy Substation".

perhaps they didn't want all the hatchelor pad occupants to meet up with each other, hence the label on the hatch. (I still don't know if it is on the front door) If they did they could compare notes and figure this was some elaborate experiment. Keeping people in the dark is a great way to control them...just my 2 cents

Going to that Hanso Foundation site, one of the initiatives is life extension.
Could that be the clue to the mystery substance Desmond is injecting?
Sorry if it's been brought up somewhere else, as you can tell I am a fuselage n00b.

perhaps they didn't want all the hatchelor pad occupants to meet up with each other, hence the label on the hatch. (I still don't know if it is on the front door) If they did they could compare notes and figure this was some elaborate experiment. Keeping people in the dark is a great way to control them...just my 2 cents
I guess thats a possiblity. It just seems they could have used different signage - like ARMED DOOR, DO NOT EXIT - or DANGER, OPENING HATCH WILL CAUSE EXPLOSION, or OPEN THIS AND YOU'LL BE SORRY.. or something to that effect. So I'm taking the signage as some sort of clue (QUARANTINE). It doesn't seem that outside of the hatchelor pad was a social area at any time - but again, we really don't know.

I guess thats a possiblity. It just seems they could have used different signage - like ARMED DOOR, DO NOT EXIT - or DANGER, OPENING HATCH WILL CAUSE EXPLOSION, or OPEN THIS AND YOU'LL BE SORRY.. or something to that effect. So I'm taking the signage as some sort of clue (QUARANTINE). It doesn't seem that outside of the hatchelor pad was a social area at any time - but again, we really don't know.

Remember, the ladder up to the hatch was broken off at the surface end. Anyone underground shouldn't have been able to get up to the hatch to see that it said "Quarantine".

I agree that it is the island that is supposed to be the infected area, which makes me wonder how they broke the ladder off if they were in the shaft - it must have been done by someone at ground level. How were they not being infected, and why didn't they perform a similar operation on the exit Kate uses to go get Sayid?

Remember, the ladder up to the hatch was broken off at the surface end. Anyone underground shouldn't have been able to get up to the hatch to see that it said "Quarantine". I agree that it is the island that is supposed to be the infected area, which makes me wonder how they broke the ladder off if they were in the shaft - it must have been done by someone at ground level. How were they not being infected, and why didn't they perform a similar operation on the exit Kate uses to go get Sayid?

Good points. Hmnn. I still don't see it as any type of meeting other people inhibitor :) but your points bring up other good questions.

Maybe the hatch has been recycled.
Maybe the QUARANTINE sign comes from previous occupants.
Maybe someone who dug the hole and placed the hatch there before the Dharma group arrived.
Maybe it was to protect a group of people from a disease carried by the folks on the Black Rock.
Maybe something like small pox.

Or perhaps the Dharma group is just reusing a hatch that had been used before for a quarantined situation and just didn't remove the sign. They brought the whole set up to the island and set it up, but didn't remove the sign because that hatch was already in bad shape and wouldn't be used anyway(broken ladder).

Did we ever see if there was a latch/handle INSIDE that hatch door?

Maybe the hatch has been recycled.
Maybe the QUARANTINE sign comes from previous occupants.
Maybe someone who dug the hole and placed the hatch there before the Dharma group arrived.
Maybe it was to protect a group of people from a disease carried by the folks on the Black Rock.
Maybe something like small pox.

Or perhaps the Dharma group is just reusing a hatch that had been used before for a quarantined situation and just didn't remove the sign. They brought the whole set up to the island and set it up, but didn't remove the sign because that hatch was already in bad shape and wouldn't be used anyway(broken ladder).

Did we ever see if there was a latch/handle INSIDE that hatch door?

I found a new name for the show

Maybe Lost

sorry couldn't resist :wink1:

New here, but been around for a while. There is so much written I thought I'd never have to give any input, but suppose that the "incident" caused the loss of the use of his left arm? It's too coincidental not to mean something...

Also, in the replay of the video has anyone tried to clear up the red sign in the background over his shoulder? Is it just an exit sign? Perhaps it is a clue...

it always just looked like a normal Exit sign to me.

Also, in the replay of the video has anyone tried to clear up the red sign in the background over his shoulder? Is it just an exit sign? Perhaps it is a clue...

It appears to be a plain exit sign.

However, I believe it's of some significance that the sign is not a mirror image.
That is, the Exit Sign is not above a door facing Candle, but in a room behind him.

The framing of the a few of the shots place Candle's head and the exit sign together as the two obvious items of importance and attention in the scene. This was on purpose, they didn't notice, or they didn't care.
It's unlikely they didn't notice.
As the Exit Sign is such a vibrant color, it's unlikely they didn't care.
Therefore, I'm guessing it was on purpose. What purpose, I'm not sure. I think the room is either on the island, and we will see it with the Lost-aways, or one of the Lost-aways have been in that room in one of their Flashbacks.
Either way, I think they wanted us to know that room.

As far as I know, they let the Dutch into Norway. ;)
You mean Danish? Obviously, I agree, but why bother to put a picture of a Norwegian city at all in the film if the guy is Danish?

The statue in the film seems to be of a mother and child:

http://texasgypsy.com/Scan/Narvik/index.html

which may be significant.

http://texasgypsy.com/Scan/Narvik/target2.html

Shawshank's original photos:

http://www.stud.ntnu.no/%7Ejonkjeti/Lost/Narvik2.jpg

You mean Danish? Obviously, I agree, but why bother to put a picture of a Norwegian city at all in the film if the guy is Danish?


That too. :)


Stupid high school geography class.
Years ago, when we asked 'when are we ever going to use this stuff?', I should have paid more attention when the teacher said "4, 8, 15..."

How so?
I've been wondering why the warning is on the inside - and who exactly it is warning. My guess was the island was labeled as such to keep people inside the hatchelor pad. Or that at some point there was something that someone wanted to keep separate from both locations.
But I can't see how this relates to the research stations.

Well, if the hatch is isolated completely and not connected to anything, then why put a quarantine sign on the inside of the exits? It doesn't make sense. Who wrote quarantine there? And where did they go if not outside? It just doesn't fit.

But if it is connected, and there are other exits elsewhere on the island, then it does make sense.

What if the "incident" was rousseau changing the signal. Then instead of broadcasting it over the radio, they have to send it out every 108 minutes by inputting the numbers and pressing the button.

What if the "incident" was rousseau changing the signal. Then instead of broadcasting it over the radio, they have to send it out every 108 minutes by inputting the numbers and pressing the button.

If Sayid's estimate of 16 years is correct, and the copyright date notice on the Orientation filmstrip is accurate, it puts 'The Incident' prior to 1980, and Daniele's radio modifications at sometime around 1988.

Shawshank's original photos:

http://www.stud.ntnu.no/%7Ejonkjeti/Lost/Narvik2.jpg

Anyone notice tha the water in the fountain is in a different pattern in those two pics? Does this fountain vary its spray, or does this date the fountain as shown in the filmstrip?

Okay,

What was in Marvin Candle's left hand? I have to know.

Okay,

What was in Marvin Candle's left hand? I have to know.

I don't think he had one.

I think we're seeing a prosthetic.
I'm guessing his entire arm and hand are fake.

1. The exit sign...

I thought the placement was really strange, too. First of all, it was incredibly noticeable/bright, so I think it was that way on purpose. It seemed to be on the other side of a glass wall of some sort. So apparently this was being filmed in a room in a larger building (duh) - but why are all the lights in the rest of the building off?
It was also directly above the model hatch. Not sure if that means anything.


2. Hiding the filmstrip behind the books....

In a recent interview I read about in another thread - can't remember exactly where (sorry) - I think it was with Damon or Cuse - he says that:
the filmstrip is in such bad shape because Des has watched it way too many times. So he didn't just watch it like 3 times and put it back. Apparently he has taken it out many times and watched it again and again.
So I'll ask again, why do you think Des hid the filmstrip behind the books? Who is he hiding it from? I still think it's really really strange that he kept it behind the books.

The thing that I found interesting is that the Dr. in the film has no use of his left arm it just hangs there.

Im from Narvik in Norway....

Our City hall was featured in the filmstrip....

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/4846/lostinnarvik5mm.jpg


You can even see the City Crest in red on the lower left side of building.
The statue in front is a war memorial statue to tribute the toils of the civil population during the WWII German occupation, 1940-45. If your a Lost fan from this town... i guess that awesome...

Ok can you get a digital picture of the building from the same location?
Scuzzle

Did anyone else notice that if you play the film frame by frame towards the end when the guy is close to the camera there is a white mark on his head. I don't know if it's a symbol or just a flaw in the film but further in the film when the guy is standing by the window in the second window down on the left over his shoulder it looks like the same symbol again. Maybe they are just glitches in the film but I would like to get someone else's opinion.

Okay,

What was in Marvin Candle's left hand? I have to know.


I think that is an important clue. Why would Candle say 'Nameste" in closing? When Hindus say nameste they clasp their hands together - Candle didn't. I think the writers purposely chose the salutation 'nameste' to accentuate the fact that Candl'e left arm is immovable.

Does this have anything to do with the Locke's use of his legs after his paralysis? Is there something about the electromagnetic qualities on the island that cause this phenomenon? Like I said, I think it's an important clue.

2. Hiding the filmstrip behind the books....

In a recent interview I read about in another thread - can't remember exactly where (sorry) - I think it was with Damon or Cuse - he says that:
the filmstrip is in such bad shape because Des has watched it way too many times. So he didn't just watch it like 3 times and put it back. Apparently he has taken it out many times and watched it again and again.
So I'll ask again, why do you think Des hid the filmstrip behind the books? Who is he hiding it from? I still think it's really really strange that he kept it behind the books.

It is bizarre, isn't it. You'd normally only do something like that with film to prevent it from being damaged by sunlight. There is no natural sunlight, so maybe there if they are using daylight bulbs (they must be doing something to counter the effects of being away from the sun for so long, if the hatchelors don't go outside) these can cause old celluloid film to deteriorate (even inside the canister)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Grunberg


Gerald DeGroot is clearly played by Greg Grunberg, who played the pilot in the pilot episode.

I think that is an important clue. Why would Candle say 'Nameste" in closing? When Hindus say nameste they clasp their hands together - Candle didn't. I think the writers purposely chose the salutation 'nameste' to accentuate the fact that Candl'e left arm is immovable.

Does this have anything to do with the Locke's use of his legs after his paralysis? Is there something about the electromagnetic qualities on the island that cause this phenomenon? Like I said, I think it's an important clue.No doubt a very important clue. If you watch the film at the very beginning, I think it's the only time you see his left hand, it looks like it is covered in a rubber glove or something strange looking.

And since we know how well make-up and hair changed "Randy" the spoiler's about Gerald DeGroot could very well be true.

I have now read all 41 pages of this thread and all i can say is dang, so many good ideas with so many links to other sites.

2 questions for yall

Am i the only person who thought the guy with the large afro in the film looks like michael? I cant find a good cap. We know Walt is "special" and his mother died "unexpectedly"

This may bring up the too old/age experiment theory but I will do it any way.

What other websites do yall visit to fill your thirst for Lost?

Thanks
(still cant believe I read all 40 pages)

I have now read all 41 pages of this thread and all i can say is dang, so many good ideas with so many links to other sites.

2 questions for yall

Am i the only person who thought the guy with the large afro in the film looks like michael? I cant find a good cap. We know Walt is "special" and his mother died "unexpectedly"

This may bring up the too old/age experiment theory but I will do it any way.

What other websites do yall visit to fill your thirst for Lost?

Thanks
(still cant believe I read all 40 pages)
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=565512#post565512

Thought you were the 1st one to ask? Just teasing. We all have lists and lists of places we go. If you Look at lostlinks.net they have tons of links to other sites, plus all the ones listed on the thread above. If you look at the bottom of my post you will see the link to the LOST Library which has tons of links to other threads and sites.

Welcome to the 'Fuse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Grunberg


Gerald DeGroot is clearly played by Greg Grunberg, who played the pilot in the pilot episode.

Sorry; not trying to spoil your fun... but Grunberg is one of my favorite actors; I know Weiss when I see Weiss... definitely not him.
There is speculation that DeGroot is...

the same guy thats on the boat that abducts Walt

I know it's IMDB and it's not the most reliable site (Samuel L. Jackson as Bernard anyone??) but it has

Thomas Gibson set to play Greg DeGroot

IMDb is wrong, yet again.

The guest star lists for 2.06 and 2.07 are available in the official ABC press releases here:
http://www.abcmedianet.com/pressrel/press_disp.html?seas_id=001648

No guest star playing "Greg DeGroot" in ep. 2.06, no "Brenda" either. No "Bearded Man" in 2.07. Also the titles for 2.08 and 2.09 that IMDb has are wrong too, according to the Nov. sweeps press release by ABC, and its likely the unusual guest stars they have listed are wrong for those eps. too.

IMDb is wrong, yet again.


Surprise, surprise. :rolleyes:
I thought it was kinda weird havin Thomas Gibson play DeGroot anyway. From what I remember from the filmstrip, they didn't look anythin alike. Oh well.

How do you get Greg from Gerald? The character we saw was named Gerald DeGroot.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Thomas Gibson on LOST. He did have a show on ABC, like Katie Segal, so he's passed the test of fire to get on network tv.

How do you get Greg from Gerald? The character we saw was named Gerald DeGroot.The answer to your question is:
Go to IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/guests) and you will find a character named Greg DeGroot under 2.6 "Abandoned".
Spoiler text doesn't hide links really so that's the best I could do to cover it up.

The answer to your question is:
Go to IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/guests) and you will find a character named Greg DeGroot under 2.6 "Abandoned".
Spoiler text doesn't hide links really so that's the best I could do to cover it up.It's ok I know that. I was implying that Greg isn't a nickname for Gerald, as far as I know.

This may have been answered already but the guy playing Dr Marvin Candle is Francois Chau and he also appeared on a recent ep of "Grey's Anatomy" as a dad of a patient.

There was a hint of sorts given that we should pay attention to Candle's left arm. Realizing it was a fake arm, or at least not usable, my first thought was to the farmer that turned in Kate to the authorities. He had a fake arm. I'm still at a loss if there is a connection there.

I think the main thing we learn from the Orientation film is that there's a whole bunch of stuff we still need to learn about and I hope that as the season progresses, we get some answers (along with whatever new questions will be raised in the process). What a fun show LOST is!!

This may have been answered already but the guy playing Dr Marvin Candle is Francois Chau and he also appeared on a recent ep of "Grey's Anatomy" as a dad of a patient.

alright this is probably a dumb question, but you didn't tell us if francois chau is actually a one-armed actor? i gotta assume you'd mention something that specific and so that would mean marvin candle's fake arm... is fake. which means it's gotta be a clue of some sorts by the lost writers. :undecide:

alright this is probably a dumb question, but you didn't tell us if francois chau is actually a one-armed actor? i gotta assume you'd mention something that specific and so that would mean marvin candle's fake arm... is fake. which means it's gotta be a clue of some sorts by the lost writers. :undecide:
Well, not necessarily, first we'd have to find out if the actor that played Ray was really missing an arm or the actress that played Martha Toomey was missing a leg. Then it might be a clue, or not. :biggrin:

I haven't found anything on Chau that says he has only one arm "for real"

The person on Dannielle's team that lost their arm had a name similar to Montande or Montagne. Quite different than Marvin, although I was hoping for a really whacky name like Megatron. :smile:

Montan or Montand - the scripts couldn't really tell either when they transcribed them

Megatron - sounds like a old Japanese film - Megatron vs Gamera

2. Hiding the filmstrip behind the books....

In a recent interview I read about in another thread - can't remember exactly where (sorry) - I think it was with Damon or Cuse - he says that:
the filmstrip is in such bad shape because Des has watched it way too many times. So he didn't just watch it like 3 times and put it back. Apparently he has taken it out many times and watched it again and again.
So I'll ask again, why do you think Des hid the filmstrip behind the books? Who is he hiding it from? I still think it's really really strange that he kept it behind the books.

I think that maybe Desmond was hiding the filmstrip from himself. Out of sight, out of mind, if you will.

Montan or Montand - the scripts couldn't really tell either when they transcribed them


Does anyone know French? What is Marvin in French? I've wondered about this connection.

I think that maybe Desmond was hiding the filmstrip from himself. Out of sight, out of mind, if you will.



Does anyone know French? What is Marvin in French? I've wondered about this connection.

While I believe that missing arms or legs even a missing kidney may and probably does have something to do with the plot. I don't think Marvin and Montand are the same people since Marvin candle was missing an arm in 1980 and Montand lost his arm on the "Island" sometime in 1988. Unless of course Montand's arm was used as a replacement for Candle.

Does anyone know French? What is Marvin in French? I've wondered about this connection.

Marvin in French, as I recall, is still "Marvin" -- it really doesn't have a translation. The name itself, according to at least one website I found, apparently means "famous friend," and is derived from Welsh, Mervyn.

I got chills, though, when I was rewatching the episode where Danielle mentions Montand (or Montaigne, perhaps? Thinking back, there might not have been enough nasalization to justify the "gne" ending . . . forgive the linguistics major in me) losing his arm in the Dark Territory . . . as a result, my mom and I have come up with a theory about Montand/Montaigne/Whoever and the illustrious Dr. Candle.

What if the story of Montand/etc. and his arm were relayed to Danielle somehow . . . as I recall, she never really says one way or another that "M" (there -- that's the differentiation -- "M" vs. "Dr. M") was a part of her team, does she? Is it possible that she learned about the arm loss second-hand -- perhaps from whomever was manning the radio "station" where she coopted the signal for her own purposes, or from some material left there?

That same radio "station" was broadcasting the numbers, right? Could it not have also been broadcasting other information, like a warning about someone losing an arm in, perhaps, the "incident" Dr. M mentions? We still don't know the nature of the incident . . . or all of the ramifications, outside of this numerical sequence and the damnable button. The name "Marvin" is corruptable into something resembling "Montand," phonetically-speaking in a French context in my opinion, especially if it was garbled over radio, and it was picked up by a mildly-deranged Frenchwoman. That would account for the timespan issue -- Dr. M lost the