Woah! I can't stand her. I find myself yelling at the TV. She's just wicked isn't she? Michelle Rodriguez will always be cast as a mean mean person.

Funniest Line so far goes to Sawyer for saying that they will sue Oceanic!

Hate her!

you'd think she'd be a little more compassionate considering Sawyer's hurt pretty badly...

Evil Evil Rambina.

Yeah, I didn't get why she was so rude and nasty to sawyer...meh. He has a bullet in his arm, anyone would be cranky in that situation. lol

I like her. If 19 of your fellow survivors got killed in 40 days, how cheerful would you be?

But did you see what Sawyer asks her in the preview for the next episode?

He asks if she's married -- I believe they have met their matches.

That is true, Monkey, but that still doesn't mean I like her. :smile: I was wondering why no one was asking Sawyer what was wrong with his arm.

Ana is the worst cast member, JJ, if you read this. KILL HER OFF NOW!!!!!

Obviously the guy has a wound to his arm!!

Maybe I just am biased because it seems like in every single movie Michelle Rodriguez is typecasted as a hard a--!

I'll admit it. She took Michael's place this ep as "Most Annoying Character".

That always changes though.

She ain't stupid she reads right through him for the shifty jerk that his is.
do we know what her pre-island occupation was- I'll assume it was one of athority

As a huge Sawyer fan...I'm STILL sticking up for her...LOL. I don't agree with how brutal she was with him though. At first she had a reason to be brutal because she didn't trust them...but then AFTER she believed they were just regular people...was it REALLY necessary to beat him around just because he was snarky to her? That I think just came from her need to be in control...she didn't like to be challenged :rolleyes:

However...I find her intriguing...and I like watching strong women...so I'm very interested to see where they take her character.

I guess I was the only one who laughed when she nailed him with the rock then.

Possibly a previous connection between Ana and Sawyer?

Heaven forbid a female character treat one of the local heartthrobs unkindly.Man it sure is catty in here.

I like her. If 19 of your fellow survivors got killed in 40 days, how cheerful would you be?
Not to be cruel, but who died and left her boss? She's telling them when they can and can't talk? I think she's let herself go to her head. I'm hoping as time goes on she gets better, but I'm afraid that her first to fifth impressions have not been good -

Ana is a.................survivor! We don't know yet what she has been through. Obviously much worse for the other 23 than our Lostaways. I didn't like her til she smiled at Sawyer when he said he would kill her if she hit him again. I think there's a match here!
I think we will grow to like and respect her in future episodes.

-NotPurgatory

She's apparently the "Jack" of this group...if you lost 20 or so people you were in charge of, I think you would be wary of 3 strangers suddenly appearing and telling an unbelievable (to them) story of another, larger group of survivors. Desperate times call for desperate measures. If the sho were on the other foot i think Jack would act the same way to protect those he had left.

Maybe she said not to talk to keep any possible Other's from locating them. Or attracting the security system. I'm sure she' has her reasons. Maybe she's not the most tactful but I like her she has gumption.

Funniest Line so far goes to Sawyer for saying that they will sue Oceanic!

No... funniest line was Sawyer's comment about Ana Lucia when the screen went black: "B*****!" Priceless.

Heaven forbid a female character treat one of the local heartthrobs unkindly.Man it sure is catty in here.

LOL...I don't think it's that she's female...or that she was hitting someone 'hot'...it's just that most of her behaviour TODAY seemed unecessary. Again, at first...I would completely understand why she hit first and asked questions later, but today after she knew that they weren't a threat...she was just attempting to assert herself because she saw Sawyer as being cocky or just difficult. And fair enough...he IS...but he's also wounded and not the enemy, so punching him and stepping on his neck...not really called for

HOWEVER...again, I still enjoyed her immensely. I didn't agree with her actions, but that only made me like her more...because people with dark streaks are interesting to me. She seems like she's been really hardened...and that fascinates me. Plus I think she will soften up towards others a little once she gets to know them a little more.

Right now I think she is horrible! I loved Sawyer when he wouldn't get out of the pit and then it fades to black and you hear...BITCH!

you beat me to it Peach

sawyer was a jerk and it was funny when she hit him with the rock.
i like sawyer just fine but he's been sawyer to the tenth power so far this season. too much. he needs to learn how to shut it or even that old man bernard is going to start hurling rocks at him.

The character is awful!

One dimensional - tough girl - bad a**.

If she ever has a backstory, it'll be a good episode to skip. Actually, so far this season, the episodes have been below last year's quality.

Heaven forbid a female character treat one of the local heartthrobs unkindly.Man it sure is catty in here.

I haven't seen it get catty, yet (perhaps I missed something though). As I said earlier, my "Most Annoying" title goes to whoever annoys me the most in an ep. She got it this time. Doesn't mean she'll stay there.

Plenty of people have treated Sawyer unkindly. She won't be the last.

Well considering Michel Rodriguez passed up movie roles to be on Lost, her character will probably be around a while.

A bit to strong of a come on from here. The only reason this would be accepted is that the "Tail" group had many more experiences with Ethan types and the "Others" which before they realized what was going on made their numbers go from 23 to 5 in a matter of days possibly.

She needs to lighten up. Or as they say I'd rather have 5 people with me that want to be there than to have a 50 who don't.

Heaven forbid a female character treat one of the local heartthrobs unkindly.Man it sure is catty in here.

I don't think it is. Personally, I am not even that crazy about Sawyer. Yeah he's a good looking guy, but hell I don't care if he gets beat up for being a jerk. I just think some of her force was unnecessary. It's like.. "okay okay, I get it. You're a tough chick!" If she keeps acting this way I'm just going to continue to yell at the TV every Wednesday night.

Right Now I Find Her Annoying, But That May change as the Show Goes on

I relate to Ana. Sadly. If I was thrown into a situation like hers I would be cold and efficient.

Really she's probably been through hell. She encounters some people she suspects may be more of the people harming she and her group. As for continuing to hit Sawyer when she knows hes from the plane...with her smile at the end I suspect she knows Sawyer's kind quite a bit.

She ain't stupid she reads right through him for the shifty jerk that his is.
do we know what her pre-island occupation was- I'll assume it was one of athority

Marine?
Corrections Officer?
Mother of teen triplets???

-NotPurgatory

I'll admit it. She took Michael's place this ep as "Most Annoying Character".

That always changes though.

Ditto here. Anna and Michael are neck and neck in the Most Annoying race, but I do have to say that Jack is quickly closing in on them...
I'm wondering though, if Anna may know a little something about Sawyer's past? Or at the very least, maybe his consistently getting beaten (figuratively or literally) by Kate and now Anna is payback for having conned those women in his previous career. :biggrin:

I think this is definitely a part for her. She has that true bad *** i'm in charge her attitude. Just like when she was in S.W.A.T. I think she's hot, but her guard will come down a bit next eppie w/ Sawyer

She is evil, I wished Jin or Mike would knock her on her arrogant butt.
I hope when the inevitable confrontation happens, that Kate whups her good.

We had a pretty long thread running in the Orientation epi thread about Ana-Lucia:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=20953

I came to the conclusion that if she were a man, there wouldn't have been ANY discussion of why she was so aggressive or protective.

;)

She's defintely used to unquestionable authority. I have been saying they will make her in law enforcement as a sort of foil to kate's character. Now im wondering military.

Although if you got stuck on an island with a Marine, trust me when I say they would be more hardcore then Ana.

Ana Lucia got on my nerves with her ulta-tough chick attitude, but the one who's been annoying me the most lately is Charlie. Even though he hasn't been on that much this season, every time he opens his mouth lately, I'm like, "Charlie, if you don't have something useful to say, shut *up* already." Oy.

Suse

Add me to the list.

Just get her away from Sawyer:mad:

She's a bad *** Mamacita...albiet a very annoying one...

Granted some people think she's a b**** because she is an aggressive woman. I'll admit last season I did get tired of some of the guys beating on each other. Yes, it's exciting at times but sometimes you want to say enough already!

She is the most likely to be wacked by Sawyer?

I came to the conclusion that if she were a man, there wouldn't have been ANY discussion of why she was so aggressive or protective.

Ah. I wholeheartedly disagree with this. I hated Jack for the second half of last season, now I love him after MSMF. And there are tons that hate Jack because he is domineering. It took the writers making him more real to see why he was such a great character. The same can be down for Ana Lucia, but right now, we don't have that luxury.

And as I said in a previous post: This is our first real introduction to her. We only know what we see and what we see is someone very brash and our heroes being the victim of it. I don't think - for a lot of people - it has anything to do with her being a woman.

We only know what we see and what we see is someone very brash and our heroes being the victim of it. I don't think - for a lot of people - it has anything to do with her being a woman.

I disagree (as you may find in countless posts on the other thread where a male/female personality experiment was posted) because I think it has everything to do with her being a woman. You may not like a man for being an Alpha Male, but the vehemence that spilled out after Ana-Lucia showed up was appalling. She was nearly universally hated.

But I thought of this situation:

You and your fellow survivors have been scratching out a meager existence for 40 something days and your numbers have been decimated by a disease (perhaps brought by The Others?) Some guys show up and one has been SHOT and has a loaded gun on him that once belonged to a marshall. He has a mean attitude and tells you rather snarkily "he got lucky" when explaining how he got the gun.

Uhhhh, wouldn't you immediately be very suspicious and protective of your group????

I came to the conclusion that if she were a man, there wouldn't have been ANY discussion of why she was so aggressive or protective.

;)

I agree.

I like her. I'm going to stick up for her.

I don't know if anyone noticed but he way Ana smiled at Sawyer is EXACTLY the same way Sawyer smiled at Kate when she took the gun from him after he shot the polar bear. I have no idea if that means anything or not...but I thought it interesting.

She had to establish her authority. Who made her boss? I have no idea yet... For all we know the others have pulled an 'Ethan' on them..maybe several Ethan types have already infiltrated their group and decimated them. She is probably guarding against that. She had to make sure the more dominant person of the other group understood loud and clear who was in charge. They were on her turf..these were her people...she needed to call the shots and they needed to understand that.

If she had been a guy...who would have cared?

I disagree (as you may find in countless posts on the other thread where a male/female personality experiment was posted) because I think it has everything to do with her being a woman. You may not like a man for being an Alpha Male, but the vehemence that spilled out after Ana-Lucia showed up was appalling.

You've obviously never heard some of the things my friends and I *used* to say about Jack. Seriously, there are, right now, some "Why I hate Jack" threads in the Jack section as we speak.

The problem is, we haven't really seen a "softer" side of Ana Lucia, yet. It will probably come to light very soon, but it hasn't yet.

She and Michael are currently neck and neck on the annoying chart for me. Michael's behavior (that one sided, I've been hurt now you should hurt, too) from Adrift is what we're seeing from Ana right now. Even "Shaft" was wanting her to back off.

I'm not saying it will stay this way. I'm saying, right now, it's all we've got to go on.

I think people don't like Michelle Rodriguez and that's blurring their opinions of Ana-Lucia. As soon as people heard she was joining the cast there was a huge Anti-Ana/Michelle movement.

I think people don't like Michelle Rodriguez and that's blurring their opinions of Ana-Lucia. As soon as people heard she was joining the cast there was a huge Anti-Ana/Michelle movement.

Oh I have no problem with MR! Honestly, I hope she gives Kate some competition. I just want to see her soften up some. Yes, yes, I know she's in a difficult situation, but then they all are. :smile:

The reason I don't like Ana Lucia is because she's cruel. There's a difference between being a strong, confident, & capable leader, and simply being cruel.

Ana Lucia merely leads by force. Whether she's a capable leader or not we do not know yet...we only know she can make Fido jump because she beats him around a bit.

The writers have a job to do if they're going to change my opinion of her. If not, she needs to get her own movie on the Lifetime Network and get off the best show on TV.

I think she's just too brutal! Granted, Michelle Rodriguez does play some bad a** characters, but this is ridiculous! She was way out of line beating up on Sawyer like that. (and no it's not because he's a hottie) It'd be pretty wrong of Sawyer to beat up on let's say, Micheal like that too wouldn't it?

I wonder how, they are going to soften her up! She didn't even seem that sweet during the flasback with Jack last season.

Wuss boy? Yeah right.

I knew I wouldn't like Ana-Lucia. I wanted to throw my mug at the TV. I really wish she hit Sawyer one more time so he can kill her. She really.....annoys me. And what was that all about her being in control? That really got to me.

Well I'm not a fan of M.R.'s work, nor her character. I would like to see Kate whip her butt ha ha. If there is only room enough at some point for one of them on the island there is no question who I want to get eaten by the shark or polar bear of mistery. ha ha

Y'all are prejudging Ana Lucia big time.

Of course we are. It's all we have to go on.

I've never denied that. :smile:

Are you kidding me?! Ana Lucia is friggin AWESOME. It's not just b/c I'm a fan of Michelle....I told myself that I sure hoped I didn't hate the character, and turns out I don't at all....she just just, like Kristen from EOnline said....a BADASS!

Man, loved the comments between her and Sawyer.....and ya know what, if you can't see beyond the tip of your nose as to WHY she is acting the the way she is, then your just pathetic. Man, I so don't get these people who are SO shocked that she's being mean to our wittewl Sawyer....poor baby...cripes do you not understand the show at all? Do you not understand the point of all of this is to further a damn plot and to create new twists?! Dislike her all you want, that's your right....but some of the posts around here are just absurdly immature....and these people obviously don't understand the concept of scripts, direction, and actors who give a performance.

Are you kidding me?! Ana Lucia is friggin AWESOME. It's not just b/c I'm a fan of Michelle....I told myself that I sure hoped I didn't hate the character, and turns out I don't at all....she just just, like Kristen from EOnline said....a BADASS!

Man, loved the comments between her and Sawyer.....and ya know what, if you can't see beyond the tip of your nose as to WHY she is acting the the way she is, then your just pathetic. Man, I so don't get these people who are SO shocked that she's being mean to our wittewl Sawyer....poor baby...cripes do you not understand the show at all? Do you not understand the point of all of this is to further a damn plot and to create new twists?! Dislike her all you want, that's your right....but some of the posts around here are just absurdly immature....and these people obviously don't understand the concept of scripts, direction, and actors who give a performance.

I think many of us have refrained from being immature on both sides. This post is only going to cause flames.

Cursing and calling others unintelligent isn't going to make your point come across any better.

I seem to remember ALMOST EVERYONE hated sawyer before we really got to know him. Be patient, this show has a way of making even the most hated charecters-- somewhat likable.

Jenn is SO totally spot on!

Ana Lucia knows how to handle Sawyer, just like Sayid (tortured him, later stabbed him), Kate (tackled him), the Seabilly chick (shot him), and Butt Crack Jungle Print Guy (do we know his name yet? -- Clocked him with an axe handle). Did I leave anyone out? Everybody but WUSS Boy Jack, who is supposed to be the hero.

The Island is exacting revenge on Sawyer for his innocent victim.

PS - remember what we all thought of Jin before seeing his backstory? Y'all are prejudging Ana Lucia big time.

WOAH! Okay...now you're saying that Sawyer deserves to be beaten because he made mistakes? She knows how to 'deal' with him?' :rolleyes:

I'm sorry...but that's ridiculous...Sawyer is not 'evil'. He's a human being who's actually proven himself many times lately. He's saved people's lives and put others above himself..

Why does he deserve to have revenge exacted on him anymore than anyone else who has made mistakes in their life?

I didn't call anyone unintelligent, just pathetic....you have to admit....saying comments like "She's so annoying, I wanted to throw out my tv, she should die!" We've seen her for like a total of 5 minutes, she seems in survival mode...and people are bashing her and Michelle so severely...it IS pathetic.

And don't patronize me thank you, my point doesn't need to come across, b/c the statements speak the truth...I dislike certain characters too but I don't scream at my tv "Die bitch! Die!"

That kind of behavior is just silly....and tocome here and go on and on about JJ write her off and she sucks is so....I'll say it again....pathetic.

Shaft was even scared of her! He called her on it, but then did nothing when
she continued putting the hurt on Sawyer. Sawyer is not intimidated by her
at all; if not for his wound, he would have had her on the ground; and more
than likely, that is where they will end up.;)

I seem to remember ALMOST EVERYONE hated sawyer before we really got to know him. Be patient, this show has a way of making even the most hated charecters-- somewhat likable.

I totally agree. I think I've hated just about everyone on this show at least once. I always figured it was human nature though. :p

Claire drove me batty during "Do No Harm" last season when she was trying to 'push the baby back in'. Jack drove me batty everytime he would act the least bit arrogant. At first, Jin angered me with the way he treated Sun. It always changes. That's what makes the show great! Learning that someone you thought you hated could be a friend and an ally.

I didn't call anyone unintelligent, just pathetic....you have to admit....saying comments like "She's so annoying, I wanted to throw out my tv, she should die!" We've seen her for like a total of 5 minutes, she seems in survival mode...and people are bashing her and Michelle so severely...it IS pathetic.

And don't patronize me thank you, my point doesn't need to come across, b/c the statements speak the truth...I dislike certain characters too but I don't scream at my tv "Die BITCHA! Die!"

That kind of behavior is just silly....and tocome here and go on and on about JJ write her off and she sucks is so....I'll say it again....pathetic.

Excuse us for getting involved in a TV show. I guess we should just have this whole message board site deleted then because people take this SOOOO seriously.

And who yelled that? I know I said I "yelled" at my TV, but no, I really didn't do that. I just think her character is on the below average side right now. Hopefully she'll do something important and redeeming soon.

Ok, I dont hate Ana, she is clearly a complex character and probably has a just reason for being so defensive, but I do think that she took the Sawyer abuse thing too far. I mean show some freaking humanity man. The guy was just shot and still cant walk straight from the pain, and yet she still hits him when he's down :(. Not nice, it was a total power play.:mad:

I disliked people too....but I never would have started a thread saying soandso is a bstard or biotch. Come on.

And, LockeLove scream...yell, whatever, but I just don't like people who overreact at things like this TO THIS DEGREE. TRUST me I take my tv VERY seriously....but when I dislike a character I don't go onto an official message board and call them a biotch and rant on the character I barely know and the actor/actress who plays them....she's just a character written by people you all are supposed to trust with the show (which is why you are such fans)....and to go so far as to act like that....man I just hope the writers/producers don't see this horrid display and think that is the majority and quickly write her off and end any storyline tied to her just b/c of what they might mistake the opinions of a few over-the-toppers as popular opinion.....

P.S.....I too think that what she did was too much/way over the line....but so what?! Kate is over the line with her whole dang life, Jack is over the line with his behavior....Locke is over the line with the lie he lives and peoples' heads he messes with, Hurley is over the line for fantasizing about stuffing the hell out of himself in a nasty display and eating everything and not just being honest about things, Sayid was over the line with the tortue....Sawyer is over the line for being a total *** and putting a asthmatic's life at risk to get some slight action, etc. They are characters with flaws....they are written that way and performed that way. That is just the way it is....you can love or hate whomever, nothing wrong with that, but the topic title of this thread caught my attention and enfuriated me with the fact that it was so...well, over the line.

I didn't call anyone unintelligent, just pathetic....you have to admit....saying comments like "She's so annoying, I wanted to throw out my tv, she should die!" We've seen her for like a total of 5 minutes, she seems in survival mode...and people are bashing her and Michelle so severely...it IS pathetic.

And don't patronize me thank you, my point doesn't need to come across, b/c the statements speak the truth...I dislike certain characters too but I don't scream at my tv "Die BITCHA! Die!"

That kind of behavior is just silly....and tocome here and go on and on about JJ write her off and she sucks is so....I'll say it again....pathetic.

I haven't seen those posts, but if they are here (and I'm sure you're right), I agree that calling a character a b*tch and wanting her to die is extreme. Most of the posts I've seen, however, have been intelligent - at least in this thread.

And I'm not patronizing you. I'm only pointing out that you may make your point come across more with others if you don't yell at them. :smile:

I think her character will become something more likeable in the future. Right now, especially tonight's episode, I can't stand her. Yeah, she's been through hell, but c'mon. We know she's the leader, the tough one, the bad a**, etc etc. Let up on some of the "It's my ball, and you'll play by my rules or I'm taking it and going home" stuff. Sheesh.

Don't talk, I said no talking. Great....and?

Just lighten up a *bit* wouldja? You can still be the leader.

I seem to remember ALMOST EVERYONE hated Sawyer before we really got to know him. Be patient, this show has a way of making even the most hated charecters-- somewhat likable.


I agree with that guy!

(for once.)

I didn't call anyone unintelligent, just pathetic....you have to admit....saying comments like "She's so annoying, I wanted to throw out my tv, she should die!" We've seen her for like a total of 5 minutes, she seems in survival mode...and people are bashing her and Michelle so severely...it IS pathetic.

And don't patronize me thank you, my point doesn't need to come across, b/c the statements speak the truth...I dislike certain characters too but I don't scream at my tv "Die BITCHA! Die!"

That kind of behavior is just silly....and tocome here and go on and on about JJ write her off and she sucks is so....I'll say it again....pathetic.

Some people just get emotional. There's nothing wrong with that. Lost wouldn't be our obsession if people didn't get really attached to the characters. SOME people were just turned off by her behaviour...and they are entitled to their own opinion, just as you are yours.

But the difference is that they were't insulting YOU...they were merely railing against a fictional character. You may think it's silly, but it's hardly offensive. There's just no reason to get nasty or call anyone pathetic.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not patronizing you. I also saw no problem with Ana, and I realize that we don't have a very good handle on her yet.

But it just isn't necessary to tell people they don't understand scripts or plot arcs and the like. I'm sure they DO...they're just reacting from their gut. It's enjoyable to just let go and rant once in awhile.

Hey...back off of Sawyer bashing! Sawyer is evolving. Lets give him room to grow. He has made the decision to change. Who would have guessed he would run into someone like Ana who was quite over the top with her brutality to a wounded exhausted man. Twice now in her appearances I get the feeling she definately is in law enforcement. At the airport, I felt she may have been an Air Marshall trying to draw Jack into conversation to see if he would be a problem on the plane after his loud protracted emotional outburst at the checking counter. Ana did not consume her alcoholic drink, she merely played with it until being taking a call. This time she was in commanding officer mode. I do not hold it against her. Her training and the survival situation have taken the everyday pleasantries out of her conversation.

Interesting note: She has a jail pit. The other side of the island does not. Hum......

I thinks she's cute. Tough, but cute. She even had to smile at Sawyer whe he told her he would kill her.

Could we have another woman that loves Sawyer?:)

Let's all try to remember that we can have an opinion, okay? Let's not start bashing the users...It's against the rules. Opinions are opinions and we can say what we like.

OK, maybe that didnt come across the way I meant it to..

And my point earlier was, people use violence on Sawyer because it's the ONLY thing he responds to. I know, I know, he has a heart of gold blah blah blah... but they don't realize that... yet.

See...I would actually disagree with you there. I think that people ASSUME violence is the only thing he responds to, but it's actually the opposite.

When Sayid tortured him...did that work at all? Not in the slightest. It only made the situation worse. What WOULD have worked is if someone had actually asked him in the first place if he even HAD the inhalers (which no one did). Everytime someone has dealt with Sawyer civily and asked him for something (without going behind his back or confronting him angrily) he's given it up.

Witness Hurley and the manifest...Kate and carte blanche, the alcohol, the lap-top battery. Sometimes he likes to tease people and give them a hard time for a few seconds...but then he lets it go!

But that's beside the point....because Ana didn't NEED to be 'dealing' with Sawyer today. He wasn't presenting the slightest problem to her. He climbed out of the hole and mouthed off a little (which I feel was justifed considering what he just went through)...and then she starts beating him? How was that necessary. He was wounded and outnumbered. He presented no physical threat. And what are a few harmless comments from him going to do to her? NOTHING.

Ana hit him because she didn't like that he had the audacity to be snarky with her. She wanted to be completely in charge and have him shut up when she said so. And he resisted. I say GOOD FOR HIM. I know I sure as hell wouldn't let somebody tell me when to shut up...when to move, etc.

My point is that she hit him purely to assert her dominance...There was no other logical reason to be so vicious with him. Even the black guy amost told her to back off.

I didn't mean to get nasty...I was just so energized having just seen a great ep of Lost and hoping to come and discuss it intelligently (including the role of one of my fav actresses)....and the first thing I see is "Ana Lucia is a_____".

It ticked me off greatly to know that I wouldn't be able to discuss her with SOME people b/c if I discussed her actions or whatever they'd just be all like "Who cares....she should die!" attitude.

Again, didn't mean to be nasty....I was just so ticked about seeing this thread.

I didn't mean to get nasty...I was just so energized having just seen a great ep of Lost and hoping to come and discuss it intelligently (including the role of one of my fav actresses)....and the first thing I see is "Ana Lucia is a_____".

It ticked me off greatly to know that I wouldn't be able to discuss her with SOME people b/c if I discussed her actions or whatever they'd just be all like "Who cares....she should die!" attitude.

Again, didn't mean to be nasty....I was just so ticked about seeing this thread.

But you can still show us otherwise. Anna is a ___fill in the blank. I think she's evil, others think she's great.

Plus, I think my anger was aimed not specifically at some of you but rather the growing utter hatred of Ana,/Michelle...I've seen it here and other places...I'm just like...wanting people to wait it out and remember that she WAS at one point a nice person (flirty with Jack)....give her a chance....see what happens....besides, to call her evil or whatever is a gross overstatement considering there are sadistic murderers and child kidnappers on the island....Ana is a saint compared to that, and just doing what she must to survive....

...besides, Sawyer himself wanted it to be "Lord of the Flies" time...finally someone is acting on his level (someone who's clearly been through much worse on the island mind you) so what's the big deal?

But you can still show us otherwise. Anna is a ___fill in the blank. I think she's evil, others think she's great.

That's funny. That's the way I took the thread title. Fill in the blank here. She's a saint, dirtbag, angel, warrior, pirate, dental hygenist.

And I think people will come around once the character is presented in a different light. Right now, we're playing along with the writers. :smile:

How quickly we forget that dear Kate is a known fugative wanted internationally by the FBI with a $20,000 reward. Let's see here...Kate robbed a bank, commited murder, hit and run driver, ran a police baricade with a passenger who died from bullet wounds directed at her, she used alias names and licence plate and that was just one episode. So if people so quickly forget how manipulative and what she is capable of then I guess there is room for Ana Lucia to become the prom queen.

Plus, I think my anger was aimed not specifically at some of you but rather the growing utter hatred of Ana,/Michelle...I've seen it here and other places...I'm just like...wanting people to wait it out and remember that she WAS at one point a nice person (flirty with Jack)....give her a chance....see what happens....besides, to call her evil or whatever is a gross overstatement considering there are sadistic murderers and child kidnappers on the island....Ana is a saint compared to that, and just doing what she must to survive....

...besides, Sawyer himself wanted it to be "Lord of the Flies" time...finally someone is acting on his level (someone who's clearly been through much worse on the island mind you) so what's the big deal?

I understand where you're coming from :)

Although I don't think Sawyer WANTED it to be Lord of the Flies time...he was just saying that is WAS...and taunting Jin with that at the time.

But I wouldn't worry too much...I think you just need to give people more time to adjust to Ana.

You have to remember 2 things

1) She's a NEW character coming into a show where people are already very attached to the ones that exist. Even before she stepped onscreen there was animosity towards her because she could replace an existing character or take some of the limelight off of them.

2) Her first major appearance on the show involved mistreating three of those above mentioned beloved characters ;)

As someone pointed out...many characters who were once widely hated (Sawyer and Jin for example) are now very loved among many people. I think because of the way in which Ana was introduced that it WILL take some people awhile to warm to her. But once we start to see her side of the story, I think people may be pleasantly surprised. :)

How quickly we forget that dear Kate is a known fugative wanted internationally by the FBI with a $20,000 reward. Let's see here...Kate robbed a bank, commited murder, hit and run driver, ran a police baricade with a passenger who died from bullet wounds directed at her, she used alias names and licence plate and that was just one episode. So if people so quickly forget how manipulative and what she is capable of then I guess there is room for Ana Lucia to become the prom queen.

I'm not crazy about Kate myself. Wow, do I only like Locke?

The ones that have grown on me?

Sawyer, Sun ...wow that's it.

How quickly we forget that dear Kate is a known fugative wanted internationally by the FBI with a $20,000 reward. Let's see here...Kate robbed a bank, commited murder, hit and run driver, ran a police baricade with a passenger who died from bullet wounds directed at her, she used alias names and licence plate and that was just one episode. So if people so quickly forget how manipulative and what she is capable of then I guess there is room for Ana Lucia to become the prom queen.

Plenty of people hate Kate, too. :lol:

I personally think each character on the show has their own little hate club. Except for maybe Vincent. Oh, no. That's wrong. There is that whole clan of "Vincent is Evil" believers. :p

I'm sorry but I still don't like her and won't until she calms down. You know what? Since this is creating so much tension between the ones that like her and don't, maybe this thread should be moved to the characters board.

I'm sorry but I still don't like her and won't until she calms down. You know what? Since this is creating so much tension between the ones that like her and don't, maybe this thread should be moved to the characters board.

Yeah it's looking like that now. I was just merely talking about her actions in this epi, but I guess we're talking about her full circle now.

Yeah, true. Is it okay if I ask the mods to move this post? I just wanna keep the peace. lol You guys can still talk about her so no worries. Just in another board.

Yeah, true. Is it okay if I ask the mods to move this post? I just wanna keep the peace. lol You guys can still talk about her so no worries. Just in another board.

I think we're okay now. The conversation seems to be back on course. Still differing opinions, but seemingly calm and intelligent. :smile:

Yeah, true. Is it okay if I ask the mods to move this post? I just wanna keep the peace. lol You guys can still talk about her so no worries. Just in another board.

Just as long as I can find it. Although I hate going from board to board, but hey...it's all good.

She's apparently the "Jack" of this group...if you lost 20 or so people you were in charge of, I think you would be wary of 3 strangers suddenly appearing and telling an unbelievable (to them) story of another, larger group of survivors. Desperate times call for desperate measures. If the sho were on the other foot i think Jack would act the same way to protect those he had left.

nooooo lol...She may be the Jack of their group but Jack would never be THAT malicious & controlling. Jack looks like the pope LOL...Even though the tail enders have had it a lot more rough it hasn't been a total cake walk for our group. There was no reason imo for Ana to control the talking while walking-wth? LOL. And to kick Sawyer twice in his wound?. I'm not saying I hate her character but she definitely doesn't win personality points from me.

Eh, I guess I won't then. lol It should be in the characters board but oh well. We'll leave it. :)

Why didn't she want them to talk? I mean they were coming up to a hatch and there are other survivors. Is it just a control thing again?

Yeah, I agree....Jack would never be like that. Being THAT controlling is not cool.

Eh, I guess I won't then. lol It should be in the characters board but oh well. We'll leave it. :)

Wait...if a discussion about a character pertains to a specific episode...it can still be in the episode board right? I mean we've always had those...:ohwell:

nooooo lol...She may be the Jack of their group but Jack would never be THAT malicious & controlling. Jack looks like the pope LOL...Even though the tail enders have had it a lot more rough it hasn't been a total cake walk for our group. There was no reason imo for Ana to control the talking while walking-wth? LOL. And to kick Sawyer twice in his wound?. I'm not saying I hate her character but she definitely doesn't win personality points from me.

Yeah how many more people might be dead in our camp if it wasn't for Jack? He's had OTHERS in his camp, he's had OTHERS kill or kidnap "his" people. But he and the people he went to for help managed to come up with plans that actually worked(and they had half the camp living in the caves which I think made a difference too).

That's true but then some of the discussion is how lots of people don't like her. That would go into the "I'm Not That Into You" board.

Heaven forbid a female character treat one of the local heartthrobs unkindly.Man it sure is catty in here.

Treat 'unkindly'? How would it be viewed if the genders were reversed? What if it was Sawyer that was beating up Ana? Would you still describe it as 'unkind' treatment?

I am personally counting the days till Sawyer bashes the cloven-hoofed Satana Lucia's face in! Who put her in charge anyway? If I were there, I sure wouldn't want to lead this evil demon woman back to the happy camp.
I am now officially rooting for a character to die.

I am personally counting the days till Sawyer bashes the cloven-hoofed Satana Lucia's face in! Who put her in charge anyway? If I were there, I sure wouldn't want to lead this evil demon woman back to the happy camp.
I am now officially rooting for a character to die.

Although I don't like her, I don't know about killing her off. Just something to make her realize that you can't be that rough! I guess it just goes to show the different kinds of leadership on the island. If this were a corporate environment...I'd rather pick Jack as my boss!

Yeah how many more people might be dead in our camp if it wasn't for Jack? He's had OTHERS in his camp, he's had OTHERS kill or kidnap "his" people. But he and the people he went to for help managed to come up with plans that actually worked(and they had half the camp living in the caves which I think made a difference too).

Well I think Ana and Jack are nothing alike...They both have VERY different styles. But I don't think it's fair to compare the death tolls...because I really don't think the OTHERS targeted the main survivors.

The OTHERS killed off HUGE numbers of people in the tail end...and I don't think there was much they could do to stop it. I think they were on a bad part of the island...they had fewer numbers to begin with...and were therefore targeted heavily.

I just don't think it's any reflection on Ana's leadership. Which is not to take anything away from Jack who I love...lol...

He wasn't presenting the slightest problem to her. He climbed out of the hole and mouthed off a little and then she starts beating him? How was that necessary. He presented no physical threat. And what are a few harmless comments from him going to do to her? Ana hit him because she didn't like that he had the audacity to be snarky with her.
My point is that she hit him purely to assert her dominance...There was no other logical reason to be so vicious with him.

Sawyer was palming the rock Ana-Lucia had used to whack him in the head with in the pit. He was obviously going to use it to try and knock her out or injure her. Even when she asked, What ya got there? He said "nothing" in a way that led ME to believe it was definitely something. Hard to believe he was a good con man when he lies so badly.

But the point is........she didn't attack him because he was snarky. She spotted a troublemaker in the group, who might be dangerous and/or a criminal, who was plotting to take her out. I think that deserves a good beat down. :tongue1:


But I like his CHARACTER's personality cuz he is a survivor and doesn't take any crap from anybody. Just like. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm what new character?.

:lol:
I agree - I like the "take no crap" types! ;D
But we are in the minority I think. I've found that goes for real life as well. People who don't "play nicely with others" and quietly follow the other sheep spark distrust and suspicion among others.

Okay, so Sawyer isn't exactly Mr. Innocent here. But once Ana Lucia called him out on the rock, do you think he would have used it on her. I mean he figured she would beat up on him. Of course she jumped the gun at 2 and did it anyway. UGH!

Sawyer was palming the rock Ana-Lucia had used to whack him in the head with in the pit. He was obviously going to use it to try and knock her out or injure her. Even when she asked, What ya got there? He said "nothing" in a way that led ME to believe it was definitely something. Hard to believe he was a good con man when he lies so badly.

But the point is........she didn't attack him because he was snarky. She spotted a troublemaker in the group, who might be dangerous and/or a criminal, who was plotting to take her out. I think that deserves a good beat down. :tongue1:


I don't think he meant to attack her necessarily...he just had the rock because he didn't trust her. And wasn't SHE the one who came down in the pit and pretended to be their ally only to trick them...She punched Sawyer in the face with no warning and no provocation. He thought she was a victim and was trying to help ALL of them.

See...how is it being a troublemaker if you entertain the idea of fighting back against people who tie you up...throw you in a pit...flash a knife at you...and then punch you? That's the part I don't get. I understand WHY they were captured. But from Sawyer's perspective he'd done nothing to deserve being captured (which he didn't)...so he's entitled to be wary around her and try to protect himself.

And she didn't NEED to hit him to take that rock. She had already pointed it out and she could have easily taken it off him without punching him and THEN stepping on his wound and telling him he's only allowed to speak when she says so...or move when she says so!

And she didn't NEED to hit him to take that rock. She had already pointed it out and she could have easily taken it off him without punching him and THEN stepping on his wound and telling him he's only allowed to speak when she says so...or move when she says so!

I think she definitely added to the germs on that wound with her cruddy shoes. Thanks, Ana!

Sawyer was palming the rock Ana-Lucia had used to whack him in the head with in the pit.

Yeah, but look at that statement. LOL The rock that she had already whacked him in the head with. :p

Actually, I think BOTH Sawyer and Ana Lucia were written just the way they were, so that most of the sheep would hate them and us subversives would be gleefully rooting for them.

Wow. That's a bit insulting, don't you think?

Right on, brotha!

Actually, I think BOTH Sawyer and Ana Lucia were written just the way they were, so that most of the sheep would hate them and us subversives would be gleefully rooting for them.

That's why they belong together, and that's why Ana Lucia is going to end up with Jack and Sawyer with Kate!

? they belong together, but they'll end up apart...I'm confused...LOL

BUT you get points just for SAYING that Sawyer will end up Kate :wub:

I really like Ana Lucia so far. Yes she is hardcore, but the tail survivors have obviously been under siege so it makes sense. Bernard and Libby seemed much more rattled and shell shocked than the orginal survivors.

Whether she's good or bad, it looks like she's going to be a major player on the island and I really like watching her.

Insulting to whom?

"so that most of the sheep would hate them and us subversives would be gleefully rooting for them."

Apparently, the "sheep" who either dislike Sawyer and/or Ana?

i love her!!! i was happy to hear she'd be joining the cast this season. let's not be so quick to judge. i think we thought the same of sawyer last year, didn't we???

But did you see what Sawyer asks her in the preview for the next episode?

He asks if she's married -- I believe they have met their matches.

Why was this a spoiler? It was in the preview. :confused:

Why was this a spoiler? It was in the preview. :confused:

Previews are considered spoilers here. There is a large sticky at the top of this forum explaining this. :)

Well, when "Lost in Louisiana" said this:

But we are in the minority I think. I've found that goes for real life as well. People who don't "play nicely with others" and quietly follow the other sheep spark distrust and suspicion among others.

he was introducing the term "sheep" as meaning "conventional, non-risk-taking passive conformists," and I understood this bit of shorthand perfectly and responded in kind.

My remark was thus intended to say that superficially, these characters seem to be portrayed in the scripts as the types of characters that conventional, non-risk-taking passive conformists would feel threatened by and thus dislike.

I meant no insult to conventional, non-risk-taking passive conformists with this remark.

My apologies DD. I didn't see the term used before your post.

I think, in general, people consider being seen as sheep as insulting because it indicates an animal of lesser intelligence being "led to the slaughter".

But my apologies for not seeing that one before yours. Way too many posts to keep up with here. :smile:

Previews are considered spoilers here. There is a large sticky at the top of this forum explaining this. :)

Nahh, that's crazy talk.

The network encourages us to watch the previews.

BTW: There's so damm many stickies and announcements at the top of the page, who can read them all? lol

Nahh, that's crazy talk.

The network encourages us to watch the previews.

BTW: There's so damm many stickies and announcements at the top of the page, who can read them all? lol
Wrong.
Previews are spoilers here. Why do you think there are so many of those stickies and announcements?
Because people like you apparently do not get it.

I COULD NOT STAND HER!! AT ALL!! i mean her character was just SOOOOO ANNOYiNG!! AHH!!! i mean i was never too much of a Sawyer fan, but i was rooting for him to get some revenge today she was SOOO ANNOYNG!. I mean i'm gonna give the writers the benifit of the doubt and she'll probabky get better later but MAN!! I REALLY didnt like her in the episode!!!!

Why do you think there are so many of those stickies and announcements?

Maybe if they'd have just 1 or 2 stickies / announcements (like most sites), people would actually read them.

I hate her!!!! dangm this whole time that I knew she was coming, Im thinking, "Ill give her a chance, I just hope she doesn't play the whole 'tuff girl' Im a bad-a**" thing, but its friggin pissing me off, why can't she play a different role. I hate it

Maybe if they'd have just 1 or 2 stickies / announcements (like most sites), people would actually read them.
You didn't have to read the stickies to know they're spoilers. Just look at the titles.

Your serve.

Since everyone else is posting their opinions might as well throw in my 2 cents.

I do not care for the actress that plays Ana Lucia and haven’t since the first time I saw her. She always looks like she just swallowed cod liver oil. That sneer drives me up the wall.

As to the character of Ana Lucia, haven’t liked her either since her nosey, pushy, finger-sucking appearance last season. When Sawyer said he would kill her I said aloud to the TV, “Do it!”

For those that like both the actress and the character ......to each their own.

You didn't have to read the stickies to know they're spoilers. Just look at the titles.

Your serve.

Huskie, if I respond, you're going to ban me, so why bother?

Free speech died with the Republicans.

Led to slaughter, yikes!

Well, maybe the most gentle criticism of "herd behavior," in the most loving and sympathetic way possible, is intended with "sheep." By me anyway, I can't speak for LiL.

But my REAL point really wasn't to insult sheep, it was to point out that the writers are perfectly aware that a large part of their audience are going to have knee-jerk, shallow, predictable, sheeply reactions to certain character types. However, they are wise enough to know that a smaller, but still significant part of their demographic is going to root for the anti-heroes.

My quota for anti-hero rooting has already been filled by Locke, Sawyer, Jin and Kate. :biggrin: Actually, I think most of the characters on this show would be considered trademark anti-heroes. I think most of these characters came into the show wanting to do their own things in life and had to make a decision.

I think it's the way that Ana does things that I don't agree with. But then, I would classify myself personally somewhere between Jack and Locke. Locke does things that are at first considered bad, but usually wind up turning out good. But it's his execution. I guess you can say it's the execution that I don't agree with when it comes to Ana. :smile:

But I totally see that something could cause me to like her at some point.

I am glad to hear that others hate Ana Lucia too! She is so annoying that I want to see her slapped around a little bit. It bothers me that I would enjoy seeing that......but then again not really :)

Since everyone else is posting their opinions might as well throw in my 2 cents.

I do not care for the actress that plays Ana Lucia and haven’t since the first time I saw her. She always looks like she just swallowed cod liver oil. That sneer drives me up the wall.

As to the character of Ana Lucia, haven’t liked her either since her nosey, pushy, finger-sucking appearance last season. When Sawyer said he would kill her I said aloud to the TV, “Do it!”

For those that like both the actress and the character ......to each their own.

lol I agree, I agree.

Huskie, if I respond, you're going to ban me, so why bother?

You are probably right :)

Free speech died with the Republicans.
Does this look like you're talking to the US government here?
Private board, there is no freedom of speech.

I hate her as well. But he did threaten to shoot one of her own, and she's probably extreeemmmely angry about that. Still, her companions are alot nicer then her. And I am more interested in them then her

I hate her as well. But he did threaten to shoot one of her own, and she's probably extreeemmmely angry about that. Still, her companions are alot nicer then her. And I am more interested in them then her

but even Shaft didn't like her, the way he looks at her, and how he kept telling her to calm down...

See, I think that a lot of people feel that way about Sawyer, and the writers themselves seem to love kicking him around every chance they get.

Ana Lucia is just the latest vehicle for Sawyer abuse. It's not her that's so brutal, he's just a violence magnet. I don't see anybody hating the Butt Crack Guy for giving Sawyer a concussion with an axe handle. Oh, wait, the guy said "hi" to Sawyer so he's on our side now.

I think she's very brutal. Punching him just because he had a rock? I don't think so. Threatening to shoot one of them because they wouldn't get out of the hole?

but even Shaft didn't like her, the way he looks at her, and how he kept telling her to calm down...

Yeah, wonder why they all listen to her? He obviously disagrees with the way she does things, yet he takes it...

All I know is that I wouldn't listen to her and/or do whatever she says.

I hate her as well. But he did threaten to shoot one of her own, and she's probably extreeemmmely angry about that. Still, her companions are alot nicer then her. And I am more interested in them then her

Agree since I am not interested in Ana at all!

Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje played such a mean character in Oz but seems to be a much more gentle soul in this -----glad to see it and his character interest me.

See, I think that a lot of people feel that way about Sawyer, and the writers themselves seem to love kicking him around every chance they get.

Ana Lucia is just the latest vehicle for Sawyer abuse. It's not her that's so brutal, he's just a violence magnet. I don't see anybody hating the Butt Crack Guy for giving Sawyer a concussion with an axe handle. Oh, wait, the guy said "hi" to Sawyer so he's on our side now.

Well the difference between Ana and the 'butt crack guy" (lol) is that he only hit the rafters when he believed they were real threats. He knocked them out and locked them up.

I'm not blaming them for taking those actions...nor am I even blaming Ana for punching Sawyer in the pit the first time.

But once they were convinced the rafters weren't a threat...the black guy didn't use violence and even suggested Ana back down. She continued to hit Sawyer.

All I know is that I wouldn't listen to her and/or do whatever she says.

You said it!

When she said no talking..........sheesh! Someone smack her, pa-leeeeez

dangerdork :But my REAL point really wasn't to insult sheep, it was to point out that the writers are perfectly aware that a large part of their audience are going to have knee-jerk, shallow, predictable, sheeply reactions to certain character types. However, they are wise enough to know that a smaller, but still significant part of their demographic is going to root for the anti-heroes.

I'm not quite clear what you mean by shallow though. Is it suggesting that ppl who do go for the typical hero types are in some way less deep & intelligent whereby our reasons for liking the heroes are limited to following the bandwagon?If I'm mistaken I apologize, I just wanted to clarify.

For me, although I admit her character is a real --------------------, I don't care for the actress and wouldn't like her if she played Mother Teresa.

Here's hoping she's the female death...

I will be SO mad if she and Sawyer get together. How can you get together with someone who has no respect for you? I think Sawyer should make her think he wants her and then back out...hurt her really bad. I would thoroughly enjoy it.

Wow, just finished 14 pages of this.
Several people in this thread have been complaining that Ana just hit Sawyer after he was out of the jail to establish dominance. Well too right she did and while I don't like her methods she had to establish dominance, especially with someone like Sawyer, right off the bat. She dosen't have time to play nice when her world has fallen apart.
The tail end survivors have been decimated pretty badly, either from the others or sickness or both. Bernard and Libby(?) seem nervous and somewhat twitchy from what happened. She seems to be the leader of the group and in that group something terrible is happening from something that they don't understand. She can't afford to have any dissention in a group that small, they have to stick together and work together to survive whatever is out there. She showed some trust by bringing them to "her" hatch but they have to work in a "martial law" type situation in order to survive. While it was awful for the people in the front of the plane it was probably 10X's worse for the 23 in the tail.
Like I said I don't like her methods but they are working in a panic defensive mode. She's doing what she can to keep "her" people "safe" in a really bizarre undefiable situation.

Tela

Personally, I like Ana Lucia. There are sure to be sparks flying between her and Sawyer since he has finally met a woman who takes no crap from him. Should liven up the show a bit there.

I also like that she is a strong woman who seems to be in charge of the tail section survivors. It's a breath of fresh air after wimpy "Jack! Jack! Jack!" yelling Kate and all the other women who seem to just listen to the men and not question anything.

Ana Lucia is seen as a good addition to the show in my eyes. Cannot wait to see more about her character.

I agree with Tela, she has been a total bitch but maybe there's a valid reason for it. Maybe the no talking comment was to be quiet as possible from a threat that has been picking the tail survivors off one by one. That being said, I cant wait until she meets and clashes with the leadership of the first group of survivors. I can just imagine her brandishing her pistol with one bullet in it then Locke pull out a fully loaded AK and smiling.

I agree 100% with what you said. She seems to have taken control of the tail section group after something horrible happened that decimated their numbers.

Ana Lucia HAS to be strong and dominant because their survival seems to depend on her being able to depend on the others in her group listening to her....as she said "When I say jump, you say how high" Though Saywer said "you go first" as an answer and she punched him for being an ***. Rightly so in her punching him too.

Ana Lucia had to put Sawyer in his place because otherwise....he could cost her, and her group, their lives if they are to encounter someone on the way to where they are staying. Ana Lucia is acting like the leader of a group under constant attack...where listening to her and doing as she says may be the matter of life or death.

It would be interesting to see her backstory because I have this thought she must have grown up in really rough circumstances to be able to dominate as a leader so effectively.

No... funniest line was Sawyer's comment about Ana Lucia when the screen went black: "B*****!" Priceless.
You are right! Sawyer seems to get some of the best lines!
just like when he said 'what are ya gonna do, splash me?' back on the raft with Michael... i loved that one too..

:wavey:

See...how is it being a troublemaker if you entertain the idea of fighting back against people who tie you up...throw you in a pit...flash a knife at you...and then punch you? That's the part I don't get.
Hmmm, why would she see him as a troublemaker???? :george:
Well, for one thing, he drags himself onto the beach with a bullet wound in his shoulder. Then when she questions them, he is very condescending to her while he is forming his "plan" when she might have vital information for them, he has a loaded gun that he admits he took off of a marshall (but doesn't explain HOW - and remember, he's been shot), he's rebellious, calls her by those nicknames he loves so much, and had planned (in my opinion) to whack the crud out of her with the rock. I think that would qualify as TROUBLEMAKER.

Maybe if they'd have just 1 or 2 stickies / announcements (like most sites), people would actually read them.
Well, this site is a little different than "most sites" and for the members who love it here, we'd like it to stay that way. :biggrin:

I don't see anybody hating the Butt Crack Guy for giving Sawyer a concussion with an axe handle.
EXACTLY MY POINT!!!! THANK YOU!!!
I seriously think a lot of this has to do with the fact that Ana-Lucia is a gutsy, tough-as-nails woman. "Shaft" didn't ask questions, he just whacked first and asked questions later. He could have killed them. But yet no one that I've seen has started a 15 page thread about that. :drowsy:

I agree with Tela, she has been a total BITCHA but maybe there's a valid reason for it. Maybe the no talking comment was to be quiet as possible from a threat that has been picking the tail survivors off one by one..
That was my immediate thought too. She may be listening for something. Perhaps the security system makes a distinct noise BEFORE it goes into attack mode? Maybe in certain areas of the island, loud noises set it off???

Right on, brotha!
Actually, I think BOTH Sawyer and Ana Lucia were written just the way they were, so that most of the sheep would hate them and us subversives would be gleefully rooting for them!

:24:
Subversives! :lol: That's not the first time I've been called that! ;)
But hey, sheep are important too. Without sheep, the world would be full of people like me and you and that would definitely be scary......
:velho:

Personally, I like Ana Lucia. There are sure to be sparks flying between her and Sawyer since he has finally met a woman who takes no crap from him. Should liven up the show a bit there.

I also like that she is a strong woman who seems to be in charge of the tail section survivors. It's a breath of fresh air after wimpy "Jack! Jack! Jack!" yelling Kate and all the other women who seem to just listen to the men and not question anything.

Ana Lucia is seen as a good addition to the show in my eyes. Cannot wait to see more about her character.

I'd disagree Jack has been whimpy. He's done his best given his father just passed, he lost Boone and Joanna at his hands, and we h ave no context for when or what happened to Sarah...If anything it shows fortitude for doing what he has in spite of all that.

One of the points of this ep was juxtaposing Jack's leadership to Hurley being afraid everyone was going to hate him for being in charge of the food. It was to show how Jack has to deal w/being in a tough position of having ppl criticize him when he has to make unpopular choices ...I think Jack's been down the middle and proof is half the audience will say he's too indecisive and the other he's too bossy.

Kate questions Jack all the time....They've never been afraid to call each other on things.

I'm not partial to the stereotype that in order for a woman to be strong it means she has to be PMSy or a b-i lol. Having said that I don't hate Ana's character & look forward to the drama she brings. I'm just not supportive of her ways.

Come ON people. Stop seeing what you WANT and seeing what there IS.

Ana-Lucia doesn't know how to deal with Sawyer, that is the reason she hits him. When do you hit something? When you're angry and frustrated and don't know how to deal with it. The perfect example of what I am saying is when Sawyer pointed out the logic behind her gun bluff and she threw the rock at him. Her reaction was, "Shut up already I need to be in control so I'm going to throw this rock at you!" Furthermore, QueenE already made a wonderful post about why violence is exactly NOT the way to deal with Sawyer.

For the above reason, Sawyer and Ana-Lucai do NOT belong together. I think, in the long run, Ana-Lucia and Jack will end up together based on not getting Sawyer and Kate respectively. In fact, I think Jack and Kate may have been the original plan, but Sawyer and Kate had so much chemistry rewrites were done and Ana-Lucia was added for Jack. All that is pure speculation though.

Oh, and I too hate Ana-Lucia. Why? Because she is a stereotype. She is the spanish chick with attitude that needs you to know she's the dominate one. I could buy her leaving Sawyer in the pit, I could buy her throwing the rock at him out of frustration, but I couldn't buy her yelling at him for talking like a teacher to a student when the other dude was talking to him! Major boos to Michael for walking silently and letting her win. If I was there I would have stopped and said, "Listen lady, we played your game. We climb out of the pit. We shared our story. Now, either you stop acting like my middle school advisor or I take that gun from you and we walk."

For the above reason, Sawyer and Ana-Lucai do NOT belong together. I think, in the long run, Ana-Lucia and Jack will end up together based on not getting Sawyer and Kate respectively. In fact, I think Jack and Kate may have been the original plan, but Sawyer and Kate had so much chemistry rewrites were done and Ana-Lucia was added for Jack. All that is pure speculation though.

Ana and Jack are like oil and water whereas Kate/Jack are ying/yang imo & this show is about balance.... I can not see Jack falling for someone whose ways are so overtly aggressive. I think she's a distraction and still find JK's all encompassing chemistry of attraction, deep friendship & emotional connection to have pull to see it through. It's the whole love of your life thing.

I forgot about how Ana could be perceived as a stereotype from a racial/cultural standpoint. However, I think i's a key pnt of the show to set these ppl up as stereotypes, stick em on an island to all bounce off each other, and then deconstruct them. Jack-the affluent background doctor, Hurley the token heavy set guy, Sayid the Muslim Iraqi soldier, Shannon the spoiled girl, Sun the submissive Korean woman who finds her voice, Charlie the rocker druggie etc etc. So I'm reserving any opinions about Ana from this angle until we see a little more.

Hmmm, why would she see him as a troublemaker???? :george:
Well, for one thing, he drags himself onto the beach with a bullet wound in his shoulder. Then when she questions them, he is very condescending to her while he is forming his "plan" when she might have vital information for them, he has a loaded gun that he admits he took off of a marshall (but doesn't explain HOW - and remember, he's been shot), he's rebellious, calls her by those nicknames he loves so much, and had planned (in my opinion) to whack the crud out of her with the rock. I think that would qualify as TROUBLEMAKER.


Okay...getting shot doesn't make you a trouble-maker...it makes you a victim! And again...I understand why she was initially suspicious of him...and ALL of the rafters. I understand why she hit him because of the loaded gun before she knew or believed WHY he had it. But how was he condescending to her about the 'plan'? He only got snippy after she started questioning everything about him as though she thought he was lying.

And you know what...SO WHAT if he DID plan to whack her with a rock? She had thrown one at him...after punching him...not to mention locking him up in the first place. Any sane person would be defensive...and trying to protect himself. How is he in the wrong there?

As for being rebellious and using nicknames? Your point? Just because he doesn't immediately agree to follow some strange woman blindly...and because he dares to talk back to her...she should have the right to whack him around??? He should have the right to use as many nicknames as her chooses with her....or be as snarky as he wants. It still doesn't excuse her violent behaviour.

Can you imagine if it were the other way around? If she was snarky with him...if she talked back to him...Does HE have the right to beat her up? :rolleyes: Seriously it's a double standard. It's perfectly okay for a woman to assert herself by beating up a guy who is rude to her. But all hell would break loose if a man tried the same tricks!

What gets me is that she has no more right to be in control than he does. She may have appointed herself leader of the tail-enders but he's under no obligation to follow her orders. His decision to not be a 'sheep'...doesn't justify her lashing out.

In fact, I think Jack and Kate may have been the original plan, but Sawyer and Kate had so much chemistry rewrites were done and Ana-Lucia was added for Jack.


I totally agree with you on that point! :thumbup:
I definitely believe (from what I have seen and read) that Lost is a "dynamic" show, where the creatives may change some things in the original plot, if they think it will advantageous that way. Only an idiot would NOT take advantage of chemistry between actors/actresses, or the lack of chemistry..... And the creatives behind Lost are NOT idiots, IMHO the direct opposite actually ;)

QE - Agree with you!
One way to gain "respect" is to pick on someone else.
I can understad why she reacted the why she did (she had to protect her position in the pack, and he IS the perfect scrapgoat...), but she had any good reason or excuse to do it.

The first thing I thought after finishing tonight's episode was "And everyone on the boards thought Jack was bossy? Daaammn..."

The first thing I thought after finishing tonight's episode was "And everyone on the boards thought Jack was bossy? Daaammn..."

LOL! Exactly!

And as for Jack and Ana? Pfft. imo, there's a better chance of Locke and Shannon hooking up. Not only is there no chemistry there, Ana is way to pushy and abrasive for Jack. Besides, as even Evi has said, the chemistry between her and Foxy, and thus, Jack and Kate, is just way too intense and captivating to be ignored, which is why I can't see it being threatened by Sgt. Ana, lol.

And although I hypothesize that those-on-the-low-end-of-applying-their-depth-and-intelligence tend to follow the bandwagon and go for the standard tired clichéd cardboard hero types, this does NOT imply that ALL those who go for said types are on the lower end of the aforementioned scale.

I see more where you're coming from but it also implies that every character who fits the standard hero archetype is cardboard & cliched which I don't agree with. Especially not on Lost. I have found the hero types on this show to be painted with very broad strokes which some don't examine on a deep and intellectual level due to dismissing a character because of said archetype. I don't think a character has to be bad or an anti-hero in order to be interesting.

When you consider it archetypes themselves are cliched.There's only so many in literary analysis because generally you can define characteristics/behavior to fit a certain pattern/role.

It also goes along with an article that was in Parade Magazine awhile back speaking of how some critics will consider anything popular/mass produced bad & of cheap quality. So they (being some movie critics for i.e.) will therefore gravitate more toward Indie films assuming because they're off the beaten path, it means they are of higher standard & thus the critics are more enlightened than the masses. This of course ignores the fact that the thing the bandwagon is going for, could actually be good. And the same argument can be used to disprove the validity of the anti-hero if he/she is loved by many, since if a mass drawing of people favour the unpopular, it no longer is the underdog & somehow more special.

What it comes down to imo, is individual character. You have to consider each one for what they're worth & no one archetype is better than another except in ppl's personal opinions.

I think once we see the episode "The other 48 days" or whatever. Which is suppose to be a flashback to how life has been for the back plane lostaways, our impression of Anna-Lucia might change a bit. If they've lost 19 people to the others, and have had to play Hide and Seek, just to stay alive, on top of all the problems with finding food and water. I think I could see her extreme sense of needing to be in charge. It might be to try and keep them alive.

On the other hand, if she doesnt lay off Sawyer a bit. I hope he does wack her. Survival of the fittest babe, it's not all brawn.

On the other hand, if she doesnt lay off Sawyer a bit. I hope he does wack her. .
Amen to that, I also agree with the person who said she has replaced Michael as the most annoying character; Although Michael did show his true colors AGAIN by his remark to Sawyer "oh we're friends now?" What a punk, maybe the monster will eat Mike and Ana at the same time.

Of course Charlie annoys me too, I wish Hurley would have knocked him out.

I think once we see the episode "The other 48 days" or whatever. Which is suppose to be a flashback to how life has been for the back plane lostaways, our impression of Anna-Lucia might change a bit. If they've lost 19 people to the others, and have had to play Hide and Seek, just to stay alive, on top of all the problems with finding food and water. I think I could see her extreme sense of needing to be in charge. It might be to try and keep them alive.

Very true. I've never been a big MR fan. She's too much of a harda$$ to me. However, in this case it may be completely warranted. We have no idea what the other survivors have been through. By the look of things, it has been really horrible. This may be what caused her to be such a wench. (She really didn't seem that wenchy in the flashback w/Jack.)

We also haven't gotten a good look at the Others (other than the seabillies). I can understand why she would throw some random guys that showed up on the beach into a pit.


On the other hand, if she doesnt lay off Sawyer a bit. I hope he does wack her. Survival of the fittest babe, it's not all brawn.

Amen to that!

I see more where you're coming from but it also implies that every character who fits the standard hero archetype is cardboard & cliched which I don't agree with. Especially not on Lost.

I honestly don't see any of the characters on this show falling into a stereotypical Superman mold (the fighting for Truth, Justice and the American Way bit and not having a problem with it). Even Jack, who would be the closest possible scenario for this type of mold is highly criticized for being arrogant, quick tempered and even whiny at times.

For instance, is Locke considered a stereotypical hero? I certainly don't see how. The man is obsessed and doesn't always use ethical measures to acheive what he, in his mind, views as right, but it gets the job done. Some consider him to be bat**** crazy, while others see him as the orchestrator and hero.

So, no. The whole, "Ana Lucia is a amazing, three dimensional character" bit doesn't really work, yet. In the future, it might. But we haven't seen where the writers are taking her, so for now, we go by what we've got.

Ok, my sister and I absolutely love Ana Lucia. Maybe this was posted but doesn't anyone remember what Jack and Sayid did to Sawyer when he wouldn't give up the inhaler, at least they thought he had it. They were twice as harsh. Anyway, a lot of people seem annoyed at Jack. Maybe Ana Lucia can knock some sense into him. :biggrin:

OK. Did anyone see the sparkage when Sawyer said if she hit him again he'd kill her. That look she gave him. Oh the possibilities.

After they got our guys out of the pit, and started walking through the jungle, I'm thinking.....here are all these guys, big guys, strong guys....and they're taking shit from HER! WTH???? And why are they letting her get away with it? I'm not talking about just Michael, Jin, and Sawyer.....I'm talking about the big black guy in her group!

Hate her!

Ok, my sister and I absolutely love Ana Lucia. Maybe this was posted but doesn't anyone remember what Jack and Sayid did to Sawyer when he wouldn't give up the inhaler, at least they thought he had it. They were twice as harsh. Anyway, a lot of people seem annoyed at Jack. Maybe Ana Lucia can knock some sense into him. :biggrin:

I guess I see a difference in that scenario because Shannon was dying & it was an immediate situation to get medication in desperation as a last resort. Jack didn't act alone & talked sense into Sayid to get him to back off because he was taking it further than it needed to go. Just like that big dude tried to do w/Ana because even he thought she was over top.

There isn't that much of harshness differential from that to how she was w/Sawyer imo.
She was suspicious which is fine, but she was holding all the cards w/the gun & Sawyer was already subdued in the pit. He was injured & she punched him repeatedly, threw rocks & continued to step on his wound, same thing basically w/the torture..She didn't have reason to do it because all Sawyer was doing was being smart alec, not potentially concealing life saving medicine. She already had found out they weren't part of the others.

I didn't call anyone unintelligent, just pathetic....you have to admit....saying comments like "She's so annoying, I wanted to throw out my tv, she should die!" We've seen her for like a total of 5 minutes, she seems in survival mode...and people are bashing her and Michelle so severely...it IS pathetic.

And don't patronize me thank you, my point doesn't need to come across, b/c the statements speak the truth...I dislike certain characters too but I don't scream at my tv "Die BITCHA! Die!"

That kind of behavior is just silly....and tocome here and go on and on about JJ write her off and she sucks is so....I'll say it again....pathetic.
So, do you really think that attacking your fellow posters here and calling them pathetic is going to strengthen your argument? All it is going to do is make everyone not only discount everything you said, but also cause others to attack you.

We are here to discuss a show, including our thoughts and feelings on the characters, not attack each other and call each other names. If you can't handle discussing a show like a grown up without attacking other posters them maybe you need to find another board to post on. One of the things I love about this site is the posters. We have fun tossing around ideas. I just hope that the mods and admins don't let this site be overrun by people who attack their fellow posters, it will lose it's appeal for all.

Ana is the worst cast member, JJ, if you read this. KILL HER OFF NOW!!!!!


Right on!! I understand that she hasn't really been fully revealed to us yet and we don't know why the other suvivors died (was is the 'others' or the 'sickness') but I still hate her. She can kick a$$- I will give her that but that makes me hate her even more for beating the crap out of sawyer.

Ana lucia is a see you next tuesday!

I'll fill in the blank w/o reading the rest:

She's a power hungry, superiority complex b___h that is going to be hurting really bad within a few episodes when she meets up with the other Losties and realizes that she doesn't have the supreme dictatorship anymore that she had with the few survivors from the tail section.

Right on!! I understand that she hasn't really been fully revealed to us yet and we don't know why the other suvivors died (was is the 'others' or the 'sickness') but I still hate her. She can kick a$$- I will give her that but that makes me hate her even more for beating the crap out of sawyer.

Ana lucia is a see you next tuesday!


So you want her to be killed off before the reason she is like that is revealed?


Sounds to me most people don't like her because she was mean. I remember how many people hated Jin, thought he was a wife beater, wanted Micheal to save Sun, thought Jin was a murderer. But now there is a huge Jin following. People thought Shannon was THE most vile person on the planet, yet, she's not quite so bad now is she. Remember when she did her toenails with dead people all around? Things happen in these character's pasts to shape them and make them who they are. Ana Lucia and her crew have obviously been through a serious trauma. She need to keep these people in line to keep them alive. Should she have expected Sawyer and his guys to follow blindly? No. BUT Micheal did know what was going on so why didn't Sawyer trust Mike? Because Sawyer is a troublemaker. We have all seen it and we love him for it. Cheer him on when he makes his snarky comments, but we have to admit that he is not a good little soldier.


I think people should wait til after her flashback to say they hate her.

No. BUT Micheal did know what was going on so why didn't Sawyer trust Mike? Because Sawyer is a troublemaker. We have all seen it and we love him for it. Cheer him on when he makes his snarky comments, but we have to admit that he is not a good little soldier.


I think people should wait til after her flashback to say they hate her.

Well I don't think it was that Sawyer didn't trust Michael at all...but he just wasn't taking any chances with her. Which to ME is just being smart...not so much being a troublemaker. If someone threw a rock at me and punched me...after leaving me in a pit, I'd still be wary of them and I'd want some protection.

I couldn't understand why she was being so mean to Michael, Jin & Sawyer. She knows that they were on the plane & are survivors just like her, so what's with the attitude?

Again, she's power hungry and feels the need to impose her will on everyone.

I guess I see a difference in that scenario because Shannon was dying & it was an immediate situation to get medication in desperation as a last resort. Jack didn't act alone & talked sense into Sayid to get him to back off because he was taking it further than it needed to go. Just like that big dude tried to do w/Ana because even he thought she was over top.

There isn't that much of harshness differential from that to how she was w/Sawyer imo.
She was suspicious which is fine, but she was holding all the cards w/the gun & Sawyer was already subdued in the pit. He was injured & she punched him repeatedly, threw rocks & continued to step on his wound, same thing basically w/the torture..She didn't have reason to do it because all Sawyer was doing was being smart alec, not potentially concealing life saving medicine. She already had found out they weren't part of the others.

I do see your point but then again nearly all 23 tail section passengers died or were taken. We do not really know yet. Maybe the Others had tricked them, remember Ethan. I can see why she can be harsh. I cannot wait to see what happened to all of them and what made Ana Lucia so pissed, much like Jack got whenever Boone died. Although, He is not harsh like Ana Lucia is. She is his opposite in many ways. :)

After they got our guys out of the pit, and started walking through the jungle, I'm thinking.....here are all these guys, big guys, strong guys....and they're taking crap from HER! WTH???? And why are they letting her get away with it? I'm not talking about just Michael, Jin, and Sawyer.....I'm talking about the big black guy in her group!

Why not? Do you think one should beat up all smaller persons being rude to you?
Perhaps she has showed herself able to handle leadership, and proved herself as a leader? Sometimes persons are really big in the mouth and yet its only words.....

How can you say you hate a character that has been on the show for like 15 minutes maximum? Without knowing anything on her back story, what they have been through on the island etc?

She still lacks most traits to be considered a good leader. She may have initiative, which may be all it takes on the God forsaken place, but she is definitely NOT a good leader.

She still lacks most traits to be considered a good leader. She may have initiative, which may be all it takes on the God forsaken place, but she is definitely NOT a good leader.

I definitely agree on that! A good leader does not hit someone only to gain points....
However, I think the tailies has been through a lot and that effects the way the react. In spoilers for ....And Found she´s displaying a much softer side, suggesting her to be rather human being besides a badass.....
My guess is that she has some military or police background and has proved herself able to handle situations they have been through, and is therefore the leader of the tailies.

She knew how to hold a gun pretty firmly. She may be a back up Marshal to assist Kates officer.

I dont' think she's a marshall. She was drinking at the airport before boarding.

That's part of being under cover, you have to blend in....

Drinking or ordering a drink?
And if drinking; pretending to or really did....

That's part of being under cover, you have to blend in....

Blend in with who? The 3 or 4 people sitting in the bar? Wouldn't it have been easier to sit out in the waiting area with the rest of the people? Read a paper or book, talk on your cell phone, watch TV.

Yeh, if she were the backup it would be entirely reasonable for her to have a drink. The art of deception...

She'd be "blending in" with Jack while scoping whether or not he was a threat to board the plane.

It is not "reasonable" for law enforcement to be having a drink while on duty. If she was pretending to drink that would be one thing. Jack did cause a ruckus at the check in counter & she might've been scoping him out.

I don´t have the epi here, but as far as I recall she didn´t actually drink. She stirred it and perhaps lifted it toward her lips, but I don´t recall her actually drinking (and who would seriously drink tequila tonic *ish* ;))......
I think she was checking him out since he had been rather upset in the checkin disc.

I read the first ten pages of this thread skipped the rest. Apologies for those posts I skipped over and am no doubt repeating.

As of now, Ana Lucia's character has no redeeming or attractive qualities. Her initial behavior was understandable, but upon learning that Michael, Jin, and Sawyer were fellow 815'ers, there was absolutely no reason to treat them as 'lesser' beings, which Ana Lucia continued to do to Sawyer.

Yes, yes, we don't know her backstory. I realize that. All I'm saying is that as of now, her character is immensely dislikeable, and I'm sure it's done by design.

I, for one, wouldn't be disappointed if she hit Sawyer again so that he could live up to his promise. She hasn't brought anything to the show. That's not to say she won't, but so far she hasn't. Unless we see (and I suspect we will) her saving Jin, Michael, and/or Sawyer from some 'others' in future episodes, we've no reason to like her.

Her character is cookie-cutter 'tough girl'. And unbelievably so. No way would that huge 6'5 colossus of a black man be submissive and obedient to diminutive Ana Lucia. Period. I don't care how 'tough' she is, that man could kill her with his thumb. And he's clearly not the submissive type anyway, based on the beat-down he put on two grown men. Unless they provide a reason for The Black Giant to be afraid of Ana (like, say, she has a quintuple black belt in every known form of martial arts or something which would enable her to kill anyone in seconds), this is an unrealistic writing of The Black Giant's interaction with Ana.

It doesn't surprise me that Sawyer didn't fight back, he never does. I have no doubt that he COULD, mind you, but as of yet, we haven't seen him to be much of a pro-active fighter. He likes to let people beat him up, apparently. He has a long fuse.

Anyway, until further notice, I wouldn't shed any tears over a polar bear eating Ana, or Sawyer taking her up on his offer, or the others killing her, or anything. The writers have some major work ahead of them if they're to make her even remotely likeable.

I definitely skipped some pages here!

Personally, I do not think some of us are bashing Ana Lucia because she's a strong woman, I think it's because her character is too rough. If the other big Nigerian guy was a rough one like her, I'm sure there would be a thread talking about how this person is acting unreasonable towards Jin, Michael and especially Sawyer. I wasn't here for all of the first season, but I'm sure there were posts complaining that Sawyer was a bad a** himself.

All I know is that she has a few more episodes to redeem herself and if she doesn't, that's it... I will completely hate her. I understand that she could be suspicious of Sawyer at first. But once he was out of that pit there was no reason for her to act with such brute force. So what if he had the rock in his hand? She threw it at him! I doubt he was actually going to throw it at her. He was probably carrying it to say "see, I can get back at you."

As far as couples, I would HATE to see Sawyer with Ana. I say Sawyer with Kate and Jack and Ana remain SINGLE.

I don´t have the epi here, but as far as I recall she didn´t actually drink. She stirred it and perhaps lifted it toward her lips, but I don´t recall her actually drinking (and who would seriously drink tequila tonic *ish* ;))......
I think she was checking him out since he had been rather upset in the checkin disc.

Here's the screencaps I could find. Looks like her glass is full yet when she leaves it looks almost empty. It's hard to tell without actually watching the scene again.

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I think Ana Lucia is exactly what Sawyer needs and wants, a strong willed women that won't take his sh*t. They are the #2 match made in heaven, behind Sawyer and Kate of course. :kiss:

Hmmmm. I can think of one, non-physical, reason for Big Black Dude to go along with anything Ana Lucia does - blackmail. She controls something essential to him. Because, I agree with Vertical, Ana Lucia is a lotta woman but she would be no match in a physical contest.

I read the first ten pages of this thread skipped the rest. Apologies for those posts I skipped over and am no doubt repeating.

As of now, Ana Lucia's character has no redeeming or attractive qualities. Her initial behavior was understandable, but upon learning that Michael, Jin, and Sawyer were fellow 815'ers, there was absolutely no reason to treat them as 'lesser' beings, which Ana Lucia continued to do to Sawyer.

Yes, yes, we don't know her backstory. I realize that. All I'm saying is that as of now, her character is immensely dislikeable, and I'm sure it's done by design.

I, for one, wouldn't be disappointed if she hit Sawyer again so that he could live up to his promise. She hasn't brought anything to the show. That's not to say she won't, but so far she hasn't. Unless we see (and I suspect we will) her saving Jin, Michael, and/or Sawyer from some 'others' in future episodes, we've no reason to like her.

Her character is cookie-cutter 'tough girl'. And unbelievably so. No way would that huge 6'5 colossus of a black man be submissive and obedient to diminutive Ana Lucia. Period. I don't care how 'tough' she is, that man could kill her with his thumb. And he's clearly not the submissive type anyway, based on the beat-down he put on two grown men. Unless they provide a reason for The Black Giant to be afraid of Ana (like, say, she has a quintuple black belt in every known form of martial arts or something which would enable her to kill anyone in seconds), this is an unrealistic writing of The Black Giant's interaction with Ana.

It doesn't surprise me that Sawyer didn't fight back, he never