It should be noted that both the swan and the arrow are constellations. The swan is Cygnus, and the arrow is Sagitta (which is where we get Sagittarius). Cygnus is also a known black hole.

So we now have two hatch logos, both of which are constellations. Don't know if it means anything, but there you have it.


The floor is open.

A ha! the space/alien angle begins to reveal itself!

They're also both symbols for Apollo (he was the god of archery and the swan was sacred to him.) Apollo like the candy bar.

Also I think that having 'Invasion' on right after LOST rules out the possibility of aliens.. I don't think they'd have two alien shows back-to-back.

It should be noted that both the swan and the arrow are constellations. The swan is Cygnus, and the arrow is Sagitta (which is where we get Sagittarius). Cygnus is also a known black hole.

So we now have two hatch logos, both of which are constellations. Don't know if it means anything, but there you have it.


The floor is open.

Actually, there is a meaning to this and it is a good thing you pointed this out, because the LOST makers said at one point (when people were starting to use the numbers as coordinates for magnitute and longitude to locate the island) that people should be looking for the answer in the sky and not on the ground. I immediately thought they were talking about constellations, but I am not good at this stuff so I gave up looking for any clues.

Interesting, Island Caddy. I didn't know that.

Hmmm...

while it might not be aliens, it might have something to do with specific coordinates, or perhaps meteors that came from those locations in the sky or something like that.

Well, the networks have all decided that Lost must involve aliens somehow, because all the new Lost rip-offs this season are about aliens, aren't they?

Anyway, the constellation idea is a good angle. Plus, the 108 minutes thing ties into the fact that it takes satellites 108 minutes to orbit the earth.

The swan is also called the Northern Cross too, and part of the Summer Triangle.

http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/the_universe/Constellations/summer/cygnus.html&edu=high

http://www.seds.org/Maps/Stars_en/Fig/cygnus.html

http://stardate.org/nightsky/constellations/cygnus.html

Good observation!

So...

I remember reading back in Sept about some oddities with constellations in the first season. Stars missing, things reversed, etc.

I've long since lost the thread but here's the screenshot I saved. I think it was from another board. Maybe someone else remembers?

http://img415.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dipper5gm.jpg

There are six constellations of Apollo
1. Cygnus = swan
2. Sagitta = arrow
3. Corvus = crow
4. Crater = goblet
5. Ophiuchus = serpent handler
6. Orion = the hunter

six constellations, six stations, one great candy bar.....what does it all mean?

Okay... here's another cool website that has some interesting things in it.

http://www.jburnell.com/Messier.html

These are all what are called Messier objects (like the hockey player), more about which can be found here

http://www.seds.org/messier/

the exciting part is looking at the names of the constellations that each one of the objects associated with the Numbers comes up as. I'll let you click on the link above to see for yourself, but a summary is:

M4 - the constellation Scorpius (scorpion- not familiar with this constellation)
M8 - Sagittarius (archer)
M15 - Pegasus (winged horse)
M16 - Serpens (serpent? not familiar with this one)
M23 - Sagittarius (archer)
M42 - Orion (hunter)
M108 - Ursa Major (bear)

Anyway, don't know if it means anything but it DOES sort of line up with the Numbers in a few ways.

Enjoy.

There are six constellations of Apollo
1. Cygnus = swan
2. Sagitta = arrow
3. Corvus = crow
4. Crater = goblet
5. Ophiuchus = serpent handler
6. Orion = the hunter

six constellations, six stations, one great candy bar.....what does it all mean?


Wow!! We have a breakthrough!!!! Great Job!!!:biggrin:

maybe the project or secret project for Orion the hunter is the black smoke mechanical monster :D

There are six constellations of Apollo
1. Cygnus = swan
2. Sagitta = arrow
3. Corvus = crow
4. Crater = goblet
5. Ophiuchus = serpent handler
6. Orion = the hunter

six constellations, six stations, one great candy bar.....what does it all mean?

Sweet! That certainly gets the gears turning... too bad it doesn't list The Swan as #3.

What is Apollo that it has constellations?

What is Apollo that it has constellations?

These are all constellations that are associated with Apollo (the god of the sun) in Greek mythology.

For example, the cup (crater)

http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/constellations/crater.html

you'll find references to some of the other constellations in this write-up.

Great job diabolo237!! You validated my theory!

Actually, there is a meaning to this and it is a good thing you pointed this out, because the LOST makers said at one point (when people were starting to use the numbers as coordinates for magnitute and longitude to locate the island) that people should be looking for the answer in the sky and not on the ground. I immediately thought they were talking about constellations, but I am not good at this stuff so I gave up looking for any clues. thanks for bring this back around
ps watch out that the post it isn't moved to the source article::frown:

Well, that makes a lot of sense. The sun in the mural. What about 108?

Well, that makes a lot of sense. The sun in the mural. What about 108?

M108 is a spiral galaxy in the constellation Ursa Major, which is the Big Bear.


Hey! Just realized that the arrow from the mural now has a secondary reference.... cool.

I'm liking this theory. But, they're in the southern hemisphere. I think I read something once that southern constellations are different. Am I wrong?

Does Appollo connect at all to 108?

4. Crater = goblet

Anyone else reminded of "Le Cratêre" on Danielle's maps?

(now ponders pointing a telescope at right inclination 4°8'15", declination 16°23'42")

These are all constellations that are associated with Apollo (the god of the sun) in Greek mythology.

For example, the cup (crater)

http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/constellations/crater.html

you'll find references to some of the other constellations in this write-up.

Great job diabolo237!! You validated my theory!



The thing that jumped out on me from that site was this"

"In the story, Apollo needed water to prepare a libation. He sent the crow, who did odd jobs for him, to bring water back in a cup. "

Remember the black bird from the season finale? A large black bird doing an odd job?

Anyone else reminded of "Le Cratêre" on Danielle's maps?

(now ponders pointing a telescope at right inclination 4°8'15", declination 16°23'42")

No help from NASA:
http://tinyurl.com/73q4m

At least the only thing I see is... nothing.

Ophiuchus (http://www.geocities.com/astrologyconstellations/ophiuchus.htm)

darkpiranha and Diablo -- :ntworthy: I think y'all have uncovered something really big.

The link above is about Ophiuchus - which is apparently supposed to be part of the Zodiac, between Scorpius and Sagittarius. Very interesting stuff there. Just for grins, scroll down to the very bottom and see who copyrighted the article. :)

Ophiuchus is the god of doctors and medicine, where the medical symbol of the intertwined snakes comes from.

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Also ... isn't it interesting that all of these constellations are among the 48 constellations listed by Ptolemy.

Andromeda | Aquarius | Aquila | Ara | Argo Navis | Aries | Auriga | Boötes | Cancer | Canis Major | Canis Minor | Capricornus | Cassiopeia | Centaurus | Cepheus | Cetus | Corona Australis | Corona Borealis | Corvus | Crater | Cygnus | Delphinus | Draco | Equuleus | Eridanus | Gemini | Hercules | Hydra | Leo | Lepus | Libra | Lupus | Lyra | Ophiuchus | Orion | Pegasus | Perseus | Pisces | Piscis Austrinus | Sagitta | Sagittarius | Scorpius | Serpens | Taurus | Triangulum | Ursa Major | Ursa Minor | Virgo

Anyone else reminded of "Le Cratêre" on Danielle's maps?

(now ponders pointing a telescope at right inclination 4°8'15", declination 16°23'42")


*raises her hand and waves madly*

At the heart of Sagittarian lore stands the centaur Chiron. As a centaur, Chiron personifies the very soul of Sagittarius. Here is a symbol of half man, half horse.





When you go out to look around our galaxy on these August evenings, Sagittarius will be low in the south, just east of Scorpius. Recalling that Scorpius resembles the letter "J," a fishhook, or a scorpion, Sagittarius is the bunch of stars to the left. Although its classical form is the centaur-archer, it is easiest to recognize its most prominent stars as a teakettle. The spout of the kettle is formed by a small triangle with one star at the bottom and a pair above. The lid is composed by another triangle of stars attached to the left upper lip of the spout. The handle of the teapot is four stars left of the bottom of the lid. The handle combined with the top of the lid and yet another star, higher and slightly left, forms a small perfect dipper, referred to as the "Milk Dipper of Sagittarius."


For Tib's clue followers.......ends with a "T" / teakettle?


Famous Sagittarians:
Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis Jr., Nostradamus, John Milton (English Poet: Paradise Lost), Beethoven, Jane Austin, Mark Twain, Charles De Gaulle, Walt Disney, Kirk Douglas, Jane Fonda, Tina Turner, Bruce Lee, Richard Pryor, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Steven Spielberg, Caroline Kennedy, John F. Kennedy Jr., Brad Pitt.


Winston Churchill:
"The empires of the future, are the empires of the mind."
"If we open a quarrel between the past and the present, we shall find we have lost the future."
"The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."



Many astronomers believe that there is evidence that there is a supermassive black hole at the centre of the galaxy. Sagittarius A* is agreed to be the most plausible candidate for the location of this supermassive black hole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_A)

Location: Zodiac constellation, visible in both hemispheres


The constellation was also known to earlier civilizations in the Middle East. Several civilizations in the Mesopotamian area associated the constellation with their god of war, variants of the archer-god Nergal.

I just was going to quote the material on windows.ucar.edu but looks like someone beat me to it. I'm still mulling over what it could mean, but is everyone familiar with the discovery that there's a constellation shown a few times in season one that matches up with a Connect Four grid if you plug the Numbers into it? This now really seems like a clue considering the Swan and the Arrow.

Maybe it's a clue that the Lostaways are all actually Greek gods playing out some kind of game :whistling

Honestly I'm stumped so far. I'm loving these connections to astronomy though, it being my favorite subject.

I'm starting to lean towards some sort of Black Hole conspiracy. They were experimenting with black holes or the island has some sort of connection with one. This lines up with Cygnus (the swan) also being known as a black hole.

We need more people that are astronomically-inclined to chime in with their theories....

C'mon astronomers... get working on this.

They were experimenting with black holes or the island has some sort of connection with one. This lines up with Cygnus (the swan) also being known as a black hole.


Ahh..I thought about this as well! And the song "Cygnus X-1" by Rush

"In the constellation of Cygnus
There lurks a mysterious, invisible force
The black hole of Cygnus X-1
Six stars of the Northern Cross
In mourning for their sister's loss
In a final flash of glory
Nevermore to grace the night"

Actually, there is a meaning to this and it is a good thing you pointed this out, because the LOST makers said at one point (when people were starting to use the numbers as coordinates for magnitute and longitude to locate the island) that people should be looking for the answer in the sky and not on the ground. I immediately thought they were talking about constellations, but I am not good at this stuff so I gave up looking for any clues.


Thanks Island Caddy. I didn't know that.

Well, the networks have all decided that Lost must involve aliens somehow, because all the new Lost rip-offs this season are about aliens, aren't they?

Anyway, the constellation idea is a good angle. Plus, the 108 minutes thing ties into the fact that it takes satellites 108 minutes to orbit the earth.

So if it takes a satellite 108 min to orbit the earth, then the purpose of the button pushing could be connected to that-- i.e. to prevent some (Dharma) satellite from acting a certain way every time it passes over a certain place (i.e. the island).

So if it takes a satellite 108 min to orbit the earth, then the purpose of the button pushing could be connected to that-- i.e. to prevent some (Dharma) satellite from acting a certain way every time it passes over a certain place (i.e. the island).

Also, 1980 was the year that the NOAA LANDSAT program started, and NOAA became responsible for satellite imaging of the earth's surface.

Constellations and satellites are definitely in keeping with the "look to the sky" theme. Although how they tie in directly to what's going on on the island (aside from the 108 minute timer) I have no idea.

Sweet! That certainly gets the gears turning... too bad it doesn't list The Swan as #3.

I listed them in no specific order, so it just might be!

Do we have a hi-res of the second dharma logo?

There is one out there, its got an arrow on it

Check out this thread, it's all about satellites...http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=21466&highlight=argos

All of this discussion about the stars brings back to mind Claire's interest in astrology at the beginning of the first season. She has what are probably some very important lines that seemed inconsequential at the time.

Furthermore, we have 6 installations, 6 constellations, and 6 different fields of study on which the Dharma Initiative focuses (I wanted another "-ations" word but couldn't think of one off hand). Those, according to the orientation film are:


Meteorology
Psychology
Parapsychology
Zoology
Electromagnetism
Utopian Social... The last one was cut off in the film but is most likely "Utopian Social Engineering" which, if I'm not mistaken, is attempting to revamp society with huge sweeping changes (such as starting all over again on a deserted island, for example).

Now, aside from the obvious 666 reference, I think this is far more than coincidence. We know the swan is the station studying electromagnetism, so that leaves us to match up the other 5.

There is, of course, the possibility that the entire island is really just one giant psychological experiment and these stations are the cover story that makes things like 108-minute button pushing sound like a good expenditure of time.

I have nothing to add but that you guys are awesome and quite clever. Kudos.

There are bear constellations as well...

Looking to the sky fits with two other observations. One of Season 1's episodes ended with a night scene. In that scene, many stars could be seen in the sky. This is significant because stars will not normally show up on film-- they would have been added later. In addition, several people thought that the stars showed the Big Dipper, backwards. The second observation is that 108 minutes corresponds to the period of a sun-synchronous satellite with an inclination of 100 degrees. Perhaps entering the numbers into the computer sends a signal to a satellite passing overhead.

Whenever I thnk about the incredible speed at which things on this website are discovered, verified (or debunked) and expanded upon, I always think of a commercial that I can't remember the product for (and I'm sure with lightning speed, someone on this board will fill in the missing product name). Anyway, the commerical is about some cheese company that is about to go online on the internet with it's website, and they is a big unveiling ceremony. They go live with the site, and not two seconds later, it's already been hacked and has digital grafitti splattered across the page.

Of course, by the same token, you can ask an innocent question or make a naive comment, and ten seconds later you will have 100 insults thrown your way.

So if it takes a satellite 108 min to orbit the earth, then the purpose of the button pushing could be connected to that-- i.e. to prevent some (Dharma) satellite from acting a certain way every time it passes over a certain place (i.e. the island).

I started a thread on this subject in the orientation section.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=21466&highlight=swan

does anyone remember the thread that talked about the backwards big dipper and it's relation to the connect four game and the numbers? they numbered the game then looked at where the numbers were on the board and the numbers formed a backwards big dipper. anyone have that pic or the link to the thread?

Perhaps entering the numbers into the computer sends a signal to a satellite passing overhead.

the problem with all this "button-being-pressed-every-108-minutes-to-coordinate-with-the-passing-satellite-above" is that the button-pressing is not exactly every 108 minutes. the button pressing must be done within 108 minutes of the last pressing, but not exactly 108 minutes after the last button was pressed. am i making myself clear?

you see, of all the pressing we've seen, the only that was precisely coordinated with the countdown was the first time jack pressed it. every other time, it was pressed shortly before the counter reached 0, but not precisely when it got to it. and every time the button is pressed, the counter goes up to 108, no matter what. by the 100th time the button was pressed, with a margin of error of, say, 1:30 minutes, the spread would be of around 2 and a half hours.

i'm not that convinced this is the right direction...

the problem with all this "button-being-pressed-every-108-minutes-to-coordinate-with-the-passing-satellite-above" is that the button-pressing is not exactly every 108 minutes. the button pressing must be done within 108 minutes of the last pressing, but not exactly 108 minutes after the last button was pressed. am i making myself clear?

you see, of all the pressing we've seen, the only that was precisely coordinated with the countdown was the first time jack pressed it. every other time, it was pressed shortly before the counter reached 0, but not precisely when it got to it. and every time the button is pressed, the counter goes up to 108, no matter what. by the 100th time the button was pressed, with a margin of error of, say, 1:30 minutes, the spread would be of around 2 and a half hours.

i'm not that convinced this is the right direction...

You're making yourself clear--so clear that you've convinced me that the satellite communication idea doesn't add up.

Does Appollo connect at all to 108?

I did find this, though it seems a very tenuous connection at best:

Apollo 12 (NASA Code: AS-507/CSM-108/LM-6)
Launch Date: November 14, 1969
Launch Time: 11:22:00 a.m. EST
Launch Site: Launch Complex 39, Launch Pad 39A
Launch Vehicle: Apollo-Saturn V AS-507

Command Service Module: CSM-108

reference: http://www.spaceline.org/flightchron/apollo12.html

You're making yourself clear--so clear that you've convinced me that the satellite communication idea doesn't add up.

Besides, the satellite would only pass over the North Pole every 108 minutes. It would pass over any point not on earth's axis of rotation much less often, probably once a day.

Actually, there is a meaning to this...because the LOST makers said at one point (when people were starting to use the numbers as coordinates for magnitute and longitude to locate the island...
(Edited quote)

The bagua compass (the Dharma Logo), was an early tool used for navigation. It would make sense that the logo and the symbol within it, each representing a different constellation, would point us to the stars.

Hm. I think there are a LOT more constellations than just the six you mention that tie back to Apollo - there pretty much have to be, seeing as he was such a prominent figure in mythology.
I honestly don't like the choice of Ophiuchus. First, because that is actually the Arabic name for the constellation, not Greek or Roman. Second, if we just go by the topic "people and things relating to Apollo" you have a zillion other options. Third, given the others you listed, there is a WAY better option: Eridanus. The others all tie together nicely w/ lots of crossovers. Eridanus is another constellation that happens to fit well w/ two of the others you mentioned - it's the river into which Phaethon fell and into which Cygnus dove to try to rescue him, AND it's a.k.a. "The Heavenly Waters," which was where Corvus was sent by Apollo w/ the Crater (Cup of Apollo) to fetch some of the liquid.

Hm. I think there are a LOT more constellations than just the six you mention that tie back to Apollo - there pretty much have to be, seeing as he was such a prominent figure in mythology.
I honestly don't like the choice of Ophiuchus. First, because that is actually the Arabic name for the constellation, not Greek or Roman. Second, if we just go by the topic "people and things relating to Apollo" you have a zillion other options. Third, given the others you listed, there is a WAY better option: Eridanus. The others all tie together nicely w/ lots of crossovers. Eridanus is another constellation that happens to fit well w/ two of the others you mentioned - it's the river into which Phaethon fell and into which Cygnus dove to try to rescue him, AND it's a.k.a. "The Heavenly Waters," which was where Corvus was sent by Apollo w/ the Crater (Cup of Apollo) to fetch some of the liquid.

The particular 6 mentioned are there because on the site linked (on another thread actually, not this one) they are the only ones which mention Apollo in their descriptions.

Ophiuchus is actually a perfect choice to be in the group, since he was considered to be the god of medicine and doctors ... and some of the Dharma research is certainly medical in nature.

Though Eridanus is a good choice as well. Where is it exactly? The six above are all in the area of sky beginning with Scorpius and ending with Sagittarius. (as are celestial bodies M4, M8, M15, M16, M23, M42 and M108) So if Eridanus is in this area as well, perhaps it will figure in. :)

W/ regard to Dharma's medical projects: You don't need Ophiuchus because Apollo was already a Greek god of medicine - the first one, in fact. He was the one who taught Chiron the art of healing. Just my opinion though. =)


Info on Eridanus' location follows below. In short, it starts (ends?) at Orion's "left" shoulder and meanders up to Hydra. Eridanus is the 6th largest constellation in the sky. It is part of the constellation family The Heavenly Waters, located between Taurus (/Maps/Stars_en/Fig/taurus.html) in the north, Cetus (/Maps/Stars_en/Fig/cetus.html) to the northwest, Fornax (/Maps/Stars_en/Fig/fornax.html) and Phoenix (/Maps/Stars_en/Fig/phoenix.html) to the southwest, Hydrus (/Maps/Stars_en/Fig/hydrus.html) to the south and finally Horologium (/Maps/Stars_en/Fig/horologium.html), Caelum (/Maps/Stars_en/Fig/caelum.html), Lepus (/Maps/Stars_en/Fig/lepus.html) and Orion (/Maps/Stars_en/Fig/orion.html) to the east.
It streches from the celestial equator to the far south, roughly from RA = 0 degrees to RA = - 58 degrees and Decl = 1h 20m to Decl = 5h 10m.
The river Eridanus is thought to originate near the star Rigel (belongs to the constellation Orion) and ends at its brightest star alpha Eri.
Despite of its size there are not many bright stars in this constellation. Notable are alpha Eri, called Achernar (arab.: end of the river), with 0.5 mag the 6th brightest star in the sky, and epsilon Eri, a star similar to our sun, which is just 10.7 light years away.
There are several faint galaxies within this constellation, but there are too faint to be observable by amateur scopes. Yet they show up nicely on long-exposure photographs.

the problem with all this "button-being-pressed-every-108-minutes-to-coordinate-with-the-passing-satellite-above" is that the button-pressing is not exactly every 108 minutes. the button pressing must be done within 108 minutes of the last pressing, but not exactly 108 minutes after the last button was pressed. am i making myself clear?

you see, of all the pressing we've seen, the only that was precisely coordinated with the countdown was the first time jack pressed it. every other time, it was pressed shortly before the counter reached 0, but not precisely when it got to it. and every time the button is pressed, the counter goes up to 108, no matter what. by the 100th time the button was pressed, with a margin of error of, say, 1:30 minutes, the spread would be of around 2 and a half hours.

i'm not that convinced this is the right direction...

Well, we don't really know that the timing would have to be crucial. Every time we've seen it so far, the numbers have been put in during that last 4 minute alarm. It may be that the generators are able to emit some kind of satellite cloaking signal for a period of about 4 minutes, and so the timing isn't really crucial in that regard. That makes sense, and answers the question about how the island is apparently "hidden".

There are six constellations of Apollo
1. Cygnus = swan
2. Sagitta = arrow
3. Corvus = crow
4. Crater = goblet
5. Ophiuchus = serpent handler
6. Orion = the hunter

six constellations, six stations, one great candy bar.....what does it all mean?

Could the 6 also represent 6 of the lostaways? We would need more info but

1. Cygnus
2. Saggita
3. Covus
4. Crater
5. Ophiuchus = Doctor = Jack?
6. Orion = Hunter = Locke?

Just a weird on the fly theory. I may think more about this later when I have more time.

Back to the swan for a second....SWAN stands for Satellite Wide Area Network--also encouragement to look to the stars.

Just throwing some research into the mix...

http://www.wordsources.info/apollo.html

Things to note at this site...

Apollo was associated with law, philosophy, and the arts. He sometimes gave the gift of prophecy to mortals whom he loved, such as the Trojan princess Cassandra.

The arrows of Apollo and Artemis invariably killed and the Greeks explained epidemics of diseases by supposing that they were shooting their arrows at people; and so, by praying to Apollo, the epidemic might be made to stop. In this way, Apollo became associated with the cure of diseases

Such so-called cures led to a myth in which Apollo was thought to have had a son, Asclepius (as KLEP ee uhs), who is better known under the Roman version of the name, Aesculapius (es" kyoo LAY pee uhs).

He was a mortal medical healer who was so successful that he was reputed to have the ability to bring the dead back to life; which resulted in complaints by Hades. As a result, to keep peace in the godly family, Zeus killed him with a thunderbolt.

After his death, Aesculapius became a god and he was also placed among the constellations, where he is pictured as a man holding a serpent in his hands (similar to the following image).


The Crow (http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/DIS/OHSICS/planet/constell/corvus.htm)

The Legend of Corvus (http://www.ufrsd.net/staffwww/stefanl/myths/corvus.htm)

The Legend of the Crater (http://www.ufrsd.net/staffwww/stefanl/myths/crater.htm)

The Crater (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/myspace/images/crater.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/myspace/constellationguide/crater.shtml&h=200&w=200&sz=2&tbnid=iRqqa1WIG2sJ:&tbnh=99&tbnw=99&hl=en&start=7&prev=/images%3Fq%3DThe%2Bcrater%2Bconstellation%26svnum% 3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN)

The Swan (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/DIS/OHSICS/planet/constell/cygnus.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/DIS/OHSICS/planet/constell/cygnus.htm&h=480&w=640&sz=7&tbnid=Lr3UJG_ofcIJ:&tbnh=101&tbnw=135&hl=en&start=9&prev=/images%3Fq%3DCygnus%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D %26sa%3DN)

The arrow (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/myspace/images/crater.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/myspace/constellationguide/crater.shtml&h=200&w=200&sz=2&tbnid=iRqqa1WIG2sJ:&tbnh=99&tbnw=99&hl=en&start=7&prev=/images%3Fq%3DThe%2Bcrater%2Bconstellation%26svnum% 3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN)

Orphicus (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/myspace/images/crater.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/myspace/constellationguide/crater.shtml&h=200&w=200&sz=2&tbnid=iRqqa1WIG2sJ:&tbnh=99&tbnw=99&hl=en&start=7&prev=/images%3Fq%3DThe%2Bcrater%2Bconstellation%26svnum% 3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN)


Orion (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/myspace/images/crater.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/myspace/constellationguide/crater.shtml&h=200&w=200&sz=2&tbnid=iRqqa1WIG2sJ:&tbnh=99&tbnw=99&hl=en&start=7&prev=/images%3Fq%3DThe%2Bcrater%2Bconstellation%26svnum% 3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN)

Okay.. I have it figured out... the island is actually the beacon for the Battlestar Galactica! On a recent episode, they had to use the Arrow of Apollo to point the way back to Earth. The Arrow of Apollo initiated a hologram map that showed them (kinda) the location of earth. The hologram used a variety of constellations to show the BSG crew what the sky should look like when they are on Earth (thus sort of letting them know when they are getting close to Earth).

I don't think this is a coincidence. Won't it be cool in a couple of seasons when they have the huge crossover episodes where the Galactica finds Earth... and it's the LOST guys that greet them! I can't wait.





Okay.. maybe not.. but I did want to give a plug to my co-favorite TV show, Battlestar Galactica.

I think I figured out the Sharks logo, its a "belt" as in Orion's belt. Orion was a great hunter, what creature in the sea is the pure dominator of the hunt? Hint, starts with S ends with ark.

big image of the shark logo shows it looks like a standard belt

http://www.thegreatsaatan.com/orion-shark.jpg

Ok, I've spent the last hour searching frantically for screencaps of the night sky (I know they're here somewhere). Can anyone point me in the right direction? Puh-leez? This is making me craaaaazy! :nuts:

Okay.. maybe not.. but I did want to give a plug to my co-favorite TV show, Battlestar Galactica.

**SNORT** :Jumpy: I was thinking about that episode the whole thread!!!
I guess we both have a thing for well written character driven shows with an aura of mystery. (Oh - sorry was that another plug??? :biggrin: )
I wonder if anyone has a screen cap of the Tomb of Athena - might help with this little riddle.

this is going to sound totally pedestrian considering the information before this, but what about the possibility that the arrow relates to parapsychology? an arrow is a weapon that acts as a disembodied extension of the shooter's will, possibly similar to the use of ESP as an extension of the mind.

Seriously, I think my head exploded at least 6 times while reading this thread! Wow!!!!!
Ok so we have
6 Dharma Stations
Meteorology
Psychology
Parapsychology
Zoology
Electromagnetism
Utopian Social

6 Apollo constellations
1. Cygnus = swan
2. Sagitta = arrow
3. Corvus = crow
4. Crater = goblet
5. Ophiuchus = serpent handler
6. Orion = the hunter

M4 - the constellation Scorpius (scorpion- not familiar with this constellation)
M8 - Sagittarius (archer)
M15 - Pegasus (winged horse)
M16 - Serpens (serpent? not familiar with this one)
M23 - Sagittarius (archer)
M42 - Orion (hunter)
M108 - Ursa Major (bear)

Assuming there is a station for each Dharma project...
Edit: Reordered based on Carolyn's observation
We know...
#1 M15 Corvus = crow
#2 M8/23 Crater = goblet = ??? = Le Cratêre?/Something with Danielle?
#3 M4 Cygnus = swan = Electromagnetic =Desmond's hatchitat
#4 M16 Ophiuchus = serpent handler
#5 M42 Orion = the hunter = Zoology? = Something with the Shark?
#6 M8/23 Sagitta = arrow = ?? ParaPsych?? = Tailaway hideout



M108 the Big Dipper...that somehow ties it all together?
That's as far as I got- but thought it would be helpful to summarize some of this....
Also there does seem to be something significant about the big dipper - the BEAR with the North star (which might have something to do with why Polar Bears.)
Reaching I am sure, but...

Connection of M4 -Scorpion to the Swan -- still trying to figure out what this has to do with electomagneticm though..

Phaethon thought for a while and finally said that he wanted permission to drive the Sun-chariot across the sky for one day. Apollo was shocked and tried to convince his son that it was a very dangerous thing to do and the boy would reconsider his request. Phaethon refused to change his mind, so there was nothing for Apollo to do but keep his word.
Phaethon was inexperienced in driving a chariot and it did not take the horses long to realize that an unsure hand was on the reins. First they bolted high up in the sky, far higher than they usually did, in their eagerness to rise above the eastern horizon and reach the top of the great sky dome. It was here that they scorched a great streak across the sky, a streak that became the Milky Way. Meanwhile, Earth's surface became cold because the Sun-chariot was too high in the sky. Next the horses plunged to close to Earth. As they crossed Africa they scorched the ground, creating a great desert and drying up rivers, lakes, and watering holes.
Horrified, Phaethon saw ahead a great scorpion (Scorpius) in the sky. Its mighty tail flashed and stung the lead horse. Up went the chariot again, even more wildly than before. Poor Phaethon now realized his foolishness, that he should have listened to his father's warning.
Zeus, King of the Gods, decided that it was time to stop this rash youth from causing more destruction. He hurled a thunderbolt at Phaethon, killing the boy instantly and sending his smoldering body tumbling down to Earth. The horses returned to their stable and Phaethon's body eventually fell into the Eridanus River and sank to the bottom.
Phaethon had a very devoted friend, Cycnus, the Musician-king of the Ligurians. On hearing of Phaeton's fate, Cycnus plunged into the Eridanus and swam back and forth, diving repeatedly to try to find the body of his friend. His motions through the water made him look like a swan searching for food. Apollo took pity on Cycnus, who died of grief, and raised him to stardom, where he became the constellation Cygnus the Swan. (According to Legg Middle School)

Very interesting thread! I don't think I can add something 'personal' to the ideas expressed here, although I found this article I thought it could be relevant to the subject:

http://www.flavinscorner.com/maps.htm

A few excerpts:
"The archaeologist Georges Daressy, in his insightful "L'Egypte Céleste," drew attention to a curious parallel between the zodiacal constellations and various townships along the Nile. Daressy showed how certain Egyptian townships used emblems, carved into the architraves of temples, which depicted a sequence of the zodiac. [1] This relationship suggests a celestial-terrestrial mapping by the Egyptians and reflects a one-to-one alignment between the zodiacal constellations and Egyptian townships."
"Working with coins and various artworks, Jean Richer has argued for a similar
alignment between zodiacal constellations and ancient Greek temple and oracle sites.(...)While problems exist for portions of his work, it is challenging to
encounter such a vast amount of evidence indicating an early competence in
celestial-terrestrial mapping in ancient Greece. "

The best I can find on Swan=Electromagnetic...

Cygnus A is a powerful radio galaxy located in the constellation Cygnus the Swan. Cygnus is comprised of two large radio lobes that are powered by jets of high energy particles coming from the central radio core. These giant lobes span a distance of at least 500,000 light years. These lobes form when the jets collide with intergalactic material, causing the jets to slow down. The radiation from these jets result from a process called "synchrotron radiation." This radiation occurs when electrons traveling at extremely high speeds move along strong magnetic fields. Even at 700 million light years away, Cygnus is still one of the closest radio galaxies to the Milky Way and also one of the brightest radio sources in the sky.

(Courtesy of National Radio Astronomy Observatory's Very Large Array of radio telescopes.)

Link:http://spaceimages.northwestern.edu/p28-cygnus.html

The best I can find on Swan=Electromagnetic...

Cygnus A is a powerful radio galaxy located in the constellation Cygnus the Swan. Cygnus is comprised of two large radio lobes that are powered by jets of high energy particles coming from the central radio core. These giant lobes span a distance of at least 500,000 light years. These lobes form when the jets collide with intergalactic material, causing the jets to slow down. The radiation from these jets result from a process called "synchrotron radiation." This radiation occurs when electrons traveling at extremely high speeds move along strong magnetic fields. Even at 700 million light years away, Cygnus is still one of the closest radio galaxies to the Milky Way and also one of the brightest radio sources in the sky.

(Courtesy of National Radio Astronomy Observatory's Very Large Array of radio telescopes.)

Excellent work newfgirl!!

*runs off to study the stars in Saggita*

Sweet! That certainly gets the gears turning... too bad it doesn't list The Swan as #3.

it IS number three in alphabetical order!

I'm liking this theory. But, they're in the southern hemisphere. I think I read something once that southern constellations are different. Am I wrong?

No your not wrong and this got me thinking about the Big Dipper - and the screen cap on this thread.

The reason the Big Dipper is on the Alaskan state flag is because it is ONLY visible from the northern hemisphere -- so how is it visible from an island in the south pacific????
Hmmmmm. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

wow. good find!

curiouser and curiouser.

The reason the Big Dipper is on the Alaskan state flag is because it is ONLY visible from the northern hemisphere -- so how is it visible from an island in the south pacific????

Actually, the Big Dipper IS visible from the southern hemisphere....

"Even those who live well south of the equator can see the Big Dipper now. Right after sunset, it appears to hover upside-down above the northern horizon for those down to about latitude 30 south. That includes the northern two-thirds of South America, virtually all of Africa, as well as the northern two-thirds of Australia."

from http://www.space.com/spacewatch/big_dipper_020621.html

Actually, the Big Dipper IS visible from the southern hemisphere....

"Even those who live well south of the equator can see the Big Dipper now. Right after sunset, it appears to hover upside-down above the northern horizon for those down to about latitude 30 south. That includes the northern two-thirds of South America, virtually all of Africa, as well as the northern two-thirds of Australia."

from http://www.space.com/spacewatch/big_dipper_020621.html

I stand corrected. Cool. One mystery solved...:redface:

Okay.. I have it figured out... the island is actually the beacon for the Battlestar Galactica!

This could probably end up coming to pass, having Jack seeing visions of his father, and Locke leading all the survivors to their "destiny", which ends up being their doom, when in the final episode, we all find out the reason why Locke can walk is because he's a Cylon in disguise, and ends up putting two bullets in Jack. It's never really specified as to when both Battlestar Galactica and Lost take place...

(P.S: How did Desmond/Kelvin/other know to reference 108 to the sun? It could just be a metaphor for him being trapped and not seeing the sun because of pushing the button every 108 minutes.)

*snort* LOVE the idea of Locke as a Cylon. Would explain alot. How many Lockes do you think there are anyway?

Seriously though, I think you guys are really on to something. The oceanic site has been giving us clues about this for a while now. First there is the 3D radar thing. I am not an expert but I've never seen a radar like that. Certainly would make sense to track things in space though (not sci-fi like, just science). Then there are those damn dots that you connect when you explore, which are without a doubt representing stars and constellations. And mostly they show you the night sky on the site.
Hmmm. Never really could understand all that- until now. (not that I really do now either - but ...)

Anyway that's just my 2 cents.

I have what you look for... thnx to neil at lost-tv..


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edit.. here's Neils thread, we were all shocked when he did this. it was WAY before everybody hates hugo.. and the swan...
it was the summer i think.

http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm29.showMes sage?topicID=2391.topic

... maybe you guys can finally tie in the tesseracts for us now.. thats kinda where we went.. like their trapped in mulitple-dimensions.?

if thats the case..perhaps it doesn't matter the satelitte would not be directly overhead,, it may be phased too so it can still watch the island...ie : REMOTE VIEWING.??

..ahh. a secret utopian society... or at least the beginning of one.

So if it takes a satellite 108 min to orbit the earth, then the purpose of the button pushing could be connected to that-- i.e. to prevent some (Dharma) satellite from acting a certain way every time it passes over a certain place (i.e. the island).

maybe to 'hide' the island?

Ooh, constellations! Ooh, Orion! Ooh, Greek gods!

Thanks for pointing out the Arrow. I couldn’t tell whether they showed the symbol in the tail-end lostaways’ bunker or not.

I have what you look for... thnx to neil at lost-tv..


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edit.. here's Neils thread, we were all shocked when he did this. it was WAY before everybody hates hugo.. and the swan...
it was the summer i think.

http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm29.showMes sage?topicID=2391.topic

... maybe you guys can finally tie in the tesseracts for us now.. thats kinda where we went.. like their trapped in mulitple-dimensions.?

if thats the case..perhaps it doesn't matter the satelitte would not be directly overhead,, it may be phased too so it can still watch the island...ie : REMOTE VIEWING.??

..ahh. a secret utopian society... or at least the beginning of one.


.....


Okay... I just spent about an hour going through these links.... I then spent about another thirty minutes lying on the ground in the fetal position, drool spilling from my gaping mouth.

And after all of this, I have come to one major conclusion...




All of this means something. Something interesting... VERY interesting....


Seriously, the big dipper/numbers/connect four/tessarect theory all make perfect sense and seem like it's totally plausible. It has loads and loads of plaus.

My only question is, would the producers of the show possibly go in this direction? How would the explain this to the average or casual viewer without making them go, "ooookayyy..."?

Hmmm.....

My only question is, would the producers of the show possibly go in this direction? How would the explain this to the average or casual viewer without making them go, "ooookayyy..."?

Hmmm.....

They would hold this info back until the last season. So it wouldn't matter if the casual viewers were turned off by it. :)

eta: you have about the creepiest avi I've ever seen. I love it !

true...

i just wanted to say how amazed i am by all of this. excellent job guys!
*bows down*

My only question is, would the producers of the show possibly go in this direction? How would the explain this to the average or casual viewer without making them go, "ooookayyy..."?


I think they can make a shortened explanation for the viewers at large. Mostly just the facts and a general why. They might wonder about the other hatches/studies but only nuts like us will dig into the whole Apollo/constellation/star stuff and wonder why the swan etc.
Most of the people I have talked to didn't even realize there was any significance to the shark much less that it had the logo on the tail much less that the logo was different from the hatch one. They were fine with it.
I think TPTB have been pretty good at giving the masses a good explanation while still giving us a lot of extra goodies that explains more.

So if you think this is too complicated to be ...something... IMO I don't think so.:msntongu:

Hunh... isn't THAT interesting.

I thought you were joshing about that scorpion image, and I even tried messing with the image in photoshop myself just to see. I almost gave up after five minutes or so, but then boom! there it was (use the level function if you want to try it at home).

The question is, do the bigspaceship1 people actually KNOW anything, or are they just reading the posts on the forums and just playing off whatever the most popular theories are at the moment?

Regardless, I think we're really onto something with this thread.

At http://www.bigspaceship1.com (http://www.bigspaceship1.com/)
The morse code in title changes frequently. Two of the most recent ones were Suculae and In Girum Imus Nocte Et Consumimur Igni.
Suculae refers to Constellation Hyades. Their brother was Hyas and the constellation Aquaruis. For more info: http://www.theoi.com/Nymphe/NymphaiHyades.html

The other means "we wander in the night and are consumed by fire" stars? or "we enter the circle after dark and are consumed by fire"
other possible answers to riddle is the movement of months or mayfly. Check this link for more info. http://www.archimedes-lab.org/atelier.html?http://www.archimedes-lab. (http://www.archimedes-lab.org/atelier.html?http://www.archimedes-lab.org/latin.html)org/latin.html (http://www.archimedes-lab.org/atelier.html?http://www.archimedes-lab.org/latin.html)

Besides the morse code the site also has weird flash images. One with a sleeping polar bear. Someone did a screengrab of the picture. Then put it thru photoshop and equalized it causing a scorpion to appear. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v463/Newbury/BearScorp.jpg
Ursa, Scorpio, Aquarius, Hyades. Just thought I would this info out not sure what to make of it myself. Also the Sulucae represent sisters that died while grieving for their brother.

from http://williambader.com/ingirum.html : (http://williambader.com/ingirum.html :)
In Girum Imus Nocte Et Consumimur Igni
This sentence is a riddle in the form of a palindrome -- literally a puzzle inside a puzzle. This particular sentence is called "the devil's verse". (bold added)
You can search for translations on Google http://www.google.com (http://www.google.com/) although most of the hits will be for an orchestral composition with that name. Almost every translation is different.
The sentence is difficult to translate because the anonymous Roman author had to use words in uncommon senses in order to make a palindrome. Yet, given that the palindrome is a riddle, it is easy to pick out bad translations.
The answer is a kind of animal. The animal in question has feet but walking is not its best known mode of transportation. Thus, any translation containing the word "walk" is immediately wrong.
People who haven't studied Latin should still be able to pick out the words "night", "consume" and "fire", which could make them think that the sentence has some sort of dark, evil meaning.
Interestingly enough, nox and ignis are both third declension i­stem nouns. nocte is ablative, and igni is dative, which I think are both the correct cases for their usages. Ablative case marks a location. Dative case marks an indirect object (or the agent of a passive construction).
in means "in", and et means "and".
imus means "we go". It is the first­person plural present indicative form of the verb ire "to go".
girum is hard to translate. It can be taken as the accusative singular form of the noun girus, but the catch is that girus was not a commonly used word in classic Latin. gyrus is a second declension masculine noun meaning circle, cycle, ring, orbit, or course. The derived giro in Italian means tour, turn, or circle. Spanish splits the meanings into gira for tour and giro for turn. ("Sunflower" in Spanish is girasol.) Since in followed by the accusative means "into", the desired meaning of girum is probably "circle".
Putting it together so far, in girum imus nocte means "we go into the circle by night".
consumimur is a first­person plural present passive form, so consumimur igni means "we are consumed by fire".

Dude... all that stuff is in your brain?

Seriously, wow.

So would you say that what they did on the page wasn't something someone could just slap together? This seems awfully complex for it to just be a couple of guys sitting in their cubicle after hours throwing stuff together.

Or is that latin phrase something that would be easy to come across?



Anyway, this is way over my head.

I have to use a quote from News Radio to adequately explain my feelings about the people that produce both this website and the show itself:

"You'll never figure me out. I am a cipher, wrapped in an enigma, covered in 'Secret Sauce'. "

without a doubt one of the most important threads on this website, great reading!

(...)
Anyway, the constellation idea is a good angle. Plus, the 108 minutes thing ties into the fact that it takes satellites 108 minutes to orbit the earth.

I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense. The time it takes a satellite (or other spacecraft) to orbit the Earth is dependend on their distance from Earth. Some satellites could indeed be orbiting the planet in 108 minutes. Others orbit the Earth exactly in 24 hours.

I read earlier that the site played A Stairway to Heaven\Gilligan's Island song. This site is tripping me out. Didn't Hurley's friend wear a Led Zepplin "Swan Song" t-shirt in the music story in EHH ep. Sorry, I don't have screencap for it. Can someone confirm this or please mail me some antipsychotic medication?

bermuda triangle......all the way, man!!!!!!!!

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but I think one of the stations is in the ocean. The cable that Sayid and Hurley found must be a power source to the station. I think the Shark was also part of the under water station. Don't have time to read through 3 more pages, but I wanted to get this down.

I haven't had a chance to dig into this very much but thought I would get this out here (hoping someone with more astronomy background than me may have better info).
I *think* the only times that all of these constellations are visible at once is during the Autumnal/Vernal equinox - The Autumnal is Sept 22 which is the same day that Lost premiered (I think) and the writers made a point of saying..That the crash took place the same day as the pilot aired - although there is some debate whether it is the same year

Also - there is something about 23 degrees with the equinox relative to the celestial equater ( I was looking for something else so I wasn't reading very closely and it's been a long time since my astronomy class). DL said in a special chat w/Kristin that ...
the 23 was the main number of significance

Anyway - food for thought.

*not sure if those needed to be spoiler fonted since they don't mention any real spoilers, but anytime I discuss things that TPTB say, I feel safer using it.

Thought I would clarify the mentions of the connect 4 board, the numbers, and constellations. The constellaion was actually discovered to be a mirror image of the Southern dipper. The southern dipper is part of Saggitarius

Here is the thread on the subject:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=18406

So if it takes a satellite 108 min to orbit the earth, then the purpose of the button pushing could be connected to that-- i.e. to prevent some (Dharma) satellite from acting a certain way every time it passes over a certain place (i.e. the island).

I was wondering about where people got this information from, could we have a link or something? I spent awhile looking up stuff on the internet about satellites and couldn't find anything definitive that said 'it takes a satellite 108 minutes to orbit the earth'.

Just looking for some clarifiaction, I think its a great idea and I love all the stuff with apollo and the symbols, good stuff. So if anyone could make this concrete and not just something someone heard once that would be great.

About a week ago (before I knew this site existed), I ran some of the numbers through Wikipedia, and found out the following:

The New General Catalogue object NGC 4, a faint galaxy in the constellation Pisces
The New General Catalogue object NGC 8, a double star in the constellation Pegasus
The New General Catalogue object NGC 15, a spiral galaxy in the constellation Pegasus.
The New General Catalogue object NGC 16, a magnitude 12.0 galaxy in the constellation Pegasus
The New General Catalogue object NGC 23, a magnitude 12.0 barred spiral galaxy in the constellation Pegasus
The New General Catalogue object NGC 42, a spiral galaxy in the constellation Pegasus


I haven't done *any* research on what "New General Catalogue objects" are, whether they can be numbered the same way for different constellations, or what. I just save this info becaue I thought it was interesting.

I haven't done *any* research on what "New General Catalogue objects" are, whether they can be numbered the same way for different constellations, or what. I just save this info becaue I thought it was interesting.

The New General Catalogue (NGC) is the most well-known catalogue of deep sky objects in amateur astronomy. It contains nearly 8,000 objects, known as the NGC objects. The NGC is one of the largest comprehensive catalogues, as it includes all types of deep sky objects (not specialised to just galaxies for instance).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_General_Catalogue

Yes, the pilot originally aired on Sept 22 - and according to the writers, the plane crashed on the day the pilot aired, a very important date according to them. And it is the Autumnal Equinox for 2004.

I cannot say for certain that all of the Apollo constellations would be visible in the southern hemisphere on that day without knowing at what longitude we are talking about. However from the tropic of capricorn to the equator, they should be visible around that time and only around that time since Cygnus and Orion are rarely visible at the same time.

Last bit o' info. The earth's tilt to the sun is 23 degrees so the sun's path ranges from the tropic of capricorn (23 degrees south) to 23 degrees north - the tropic of cancer. The sun's path is known as the ecliptic. The planets also closely follow the ecliptic.

I have no idea what any of this means but well, as Dark Piranha said...It means something.

megalottojackpot.com (http://www.megalottojackpot.com/index.php)that may or may not be official. I don't really care. What is interesting is there is a link to some of the Dharma Logos (http://www.megalottojackpot.com/images/dharma_progression.gif).

More stuff on the site:
Other items that I found, for those that might be interested.
Ticket (http://www.megalottojackpot.com/images/easteregg.gif) Cat Bird on a Stick? Flute with no holes?

Now-here is a Catbird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowerbird), or also known as a "bowerbird" --catbird on a stick?

Bowerbirds and catbirds make up the family Ptilonorhynchidae. All are small to medium in size and their distribution is centered around the tropical northern part of Australia-New Guinea.

Their most notable characteristic is the extraordinarily complex behaviour of males, which build a bower to attract mates: a collection of look-alike objects that are carefully collected, sorted, and arranged by colour into spectacular structures, often including some hundreds of shells, leaves, flowers, stones or berries. This has led some researchers to regard the bowerbirds as the most advanced of any species of bird.

Though bowerbirds have traditionally been regarded as closely related to the birds of paradise, recent DNA-DNA hybridisation studies suggest that while both families are part of the great corvid radiation that took place in or near Australia-New Guinea, the bowerbirds are more distant from the birds of paradise than was once thought. Sibley's landmark DNA studies placed them close to the lyrebirds; however, anatomical evidence appears to contradict this and the true relationship remains unclear.


Lyrebirds? Corvid family? Like the Corvus constellation?

And what is the flute without holes? A goblet, perhaps?

okay todell.. how'd you find this? and how did you find the link to the dharma logos? i cannot find that link anywhere in the site... pretty fun to look at, though - whether or not it's "real".

Ok, looks like a lot of stuff on that website are easter eggs and inside jokes. The "catbird" is from some TV show (MXC - explanation here (http://www.millionaireplayboy.com/message/viewtopic.php?t=1738&highlight=cat+bird+stick) that this guy that evidently built the website liked, so I guess he slipped it in, along with all those links.

So while perhaps an official abc site, it looks to be more just fun and games for some web designer.

Also note that at the bottom it says "ABC's Terms of Use" instead of just "Terms of Use" that is on the real ABC sites.

BTW this place is insane!! Thanks to all of you who make it possible to get my fix each day.:biggrin:

http://www.megalottojackpot.com/index.php

is not an official site. It's registered to the "Tom Aire" in the second picture.

http://www.megalottojackpot.com/index.php

is not an official site. It's registered to the "Tom Aire" in the second picture.Terms of use go to Disney.

Terms of use go to Disney.


anyone can link to anyone's terms of use to make their site look legit.

Not sure if anyone noticed this or not, but on the megalottokjackpot site, at the bottom left-hand corner is a dharma logo. It looks like some sort of bird, but when i clicked to save it, the name of it was catbirddharma.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/lucid-denial/catbirddharma.gif

anyone can link to anyone's terms of use to make their site look legit.The scary part is I know people that work at Disney and they look like that. In fact the second guys picture looks like it was taken in one of the hallways over there.

But yes, I know. I don't consider any of the outside sites for real information.

Terms of use go to Disney.

This doesn't really mean anything. I can put something on a web page that makes it look like a site is owned by Google, but that doesn't make it so. Anyone can create a link like that.

The information I posted was via the WHOIS registration information that all domain names are registered under. The legit websites are owned by ABC, and it says that in the registration information.

The site is registered to that Tom Aire guy. Says so right in the registration info. Just go to a domain registrar, like www.godaddy.com, type in the full domain name. It'll come up with something that says:

MEGALOTTOJACKPOT.COM is already taken. (click here for info) (https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/whois.asp?se=%2B&ci=566&domain=MEGALOTTOJACKPOT%2Ecom)

Click on the link above, type in the access code it tells you to, and it'll take you to the info. If you don't want to click on that link above, just go to godaddy.com directly.

Hrm, listening to the LostCasts podcast from yesterday got my mind thinking about "Crater/Goblet".

What if that is related to the hanso quest for extra terrestrial life? I'm thinking along the lines of the Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico (http://www.naic.edu/). Built in 1963 out of a natural limestone bowl (crater?), Arecibo is the world's largest radio telescope. Perhaps there's a large telescope somewhere on the island?

Man!
I was talking about all this stuff over on another board and people where avoiding the post like the plague!

It looks like I should have been on this site all along!

I'll have to try and find some of my discoveries to post here, but you all have covered a lot of them already.

The simplest theory of mine was that the constellations may simply be the function they used to map out the island like a lot of civilizations have done.

i, thinking that the megalotto site was a screen cap of hurley's actual ticket, went researching catbirds and according to wikipedia catbirds are known as bower birds. and there's a bower family of asteroids that orbit the sun. that ties intio the whole astronomy thing. but i guess i don't know what to make of it since it's not actually a screen cap.

and why did this thread die?

and what is this connect four deal? i don't remember any references to the game

i, thinking that the megalotto site was a screen cap of hurley's actual ticket, went researching catbirds and according to wikipedia catbirds are known as bower birds. and there's a bower family of asteroids that orbit the sun. that ties intio the whole astronomy thing. but i guess i don't know what to make of it since it's not actually a screen cap.

and why did this thread die?

and what is this connect four deal? i don't remember any references to the game
Lenny was playing Connect Four when Hurley went to see him at Santa Rosa Mental Institute. That's when Hurley told him he had used the NUMBERS.

i, thinking that the megalotto site was a screen cap of hurley's actual ticket, went researching catbirds and according to wikipedia catbirds are known as bower birds. and there's a bower family of asteroids that orbit the sun. that ties intio the whole astronomy thing. but i guess i don't know what to make of it since it's not actually a screen cap.

and why did this thread die?

and what is this connect four deal? i don't remember any references to the gameIty looks like this thread died and they started a new one.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=37775

Ity looks like this thread died and they started a new one.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=37775

Hey, thanks for pointing out the direction of the new thread. I was wondering what happened. I would have never found it otherwise since I don't really wander through the spoiler stuff. :cool:

*snort* LOVE the idea of Locke as a Cylon. Would explain alot. How many Lockes do you think there are anyway?

Well, back in 1974 in that Ollddeen show Land of the Lost - in series 3, the leader of the sleestacks was played by a man named Jon Locke.

Eeerie, huh ! :eek2:

:biggrin:

So...do the revelations of the blast door map squash this theory? I'm disappointed if so. But really, where could "The Flame" fit into this theory? And TPTB said in the latest podcast, concerning the fan film about 'The Goblet' station, that there would be no 'Goblet' station.

How could all of the evidence that pointed in this direction turn out to be so wrong?

Maybe whoever wrote the map was wrong about "The Flame"?

Hey y'all,

I was pointed to this thread from a friend over at the Tiberius thread. She thought it might be appropriate to post here. Now, I'm probably takin' this waaay to far *L*. But, I did some research on the Constellations and their mythological connections to the gods and the planets named for them.

Ophiuchus (serpent handler) The link between the caduceus of Hermes (Mercury) and medicine seems to have arisen by the seventh century A.D., when Hermes had come to be linked with alchemy. Alchemists were referred to as the sons of Hermes, as Hermetists or Hermeticists and as "practitioners of the hermetic arts". There are clear occult associations with the caduceus.

The caduceus was the magic staff of Hermes (Mercury), the god of commerce, eloquence, invention, travel and theft, and so was a symbol of heralds and commerce, not medicine. The words caduity & caducous imply temporality, perishableness and senility, while the medical profession espouses renewal, vitality and health.
link (http://drblayney.com/Asclepius.html)

Cygnus (Swan) The Swan was Venus' personal bird. In this sense, the Swan could represent the disguised Jupiter who made love to Leda or the boy Cycnus who was transformed into a swan by Jupiter.

The swan is also a part of alchemical symbolism. 'Alchemists have always regarded it as an emblem of mercury, being of the same color and as mobile. Its volatility too is displayed by its wings. It is an expression of the marriage of opposites (Fire and Water in which its archetypal property of bermaphroditism may be discerned).
link (http://www.winshop.com.au/annew/Cygnus.html)

Orion (the hunter)
Orion boasted that so great was his might and skill as a hunter that he could kill all the animals on the face of the Earth. Gaea, Goddess of Earth, was alarmed at such a boastful and inappropriate statement. Gaea decided that Orion must be killed just in case he might one day decide to carry out his boast. So Gaea sent a giant scorpion to Orion and ordered the beast to sting Orion. As mighty as Orion was, after only a brief battle, the scorpion managed to deliver the hunter a deadly sting. Scorpius stung Orion on the heel (at the star Rigel). Orion and the scorpion were given honored places in the sky, but they were placed at opposite ends of the great sky dome so that they would never engage in battle again. Although there are other storied about how Orion met his death, this one is the most common.
link (http://www.coldwater.k12.mi.us/LMS/planetarium/myth/orion.html)

Corvus (Raven)
CORVUS MYTH Corvus was the crow entrusted by Apollo to fetch water for the Feast of Jupiter, patriarch of Olympus. Corvus flew to the river Styx and filled the cup Crater with water. Flying back, Corvus saw a fig tree. The crow loves figs so he flew down to eat some. But sadly the figs weren't ripe. So, being very clever, Corvus used some of the magic water from the cup to nourish the roots of the tree and waited round until the figs were ripened. Then gorged on figs Corvus flew back to Olympus but was too late for Jupiter's Feast. To cover his indiscretion, Corvus brought back the water snake Hydra proclaiming to Apollo that it was this creature that caused him to be late. Apollo turned the previously white crow Corvus black for lying.
link (http://www.deeplistening.org/pipermail/deep-l/2004-August/008595.html)

Now, I'm still havin' problems connectin' the Goblet and Sagittas to a planet, but I'm workin' on it. Also, the Corvus one is a stretch.

Anyways, my idea is that several of the Stations, whose names are connected to constellations which, in mythology, have connections to certain planets (the ones named above). It's almost as if the stations are orbiting a Station that might be considered the Sun, the Center Of It All. Make sense?