I watched 3 times tonight, and the first time I thought he was moved by Bernard's emotions, but by the 3rd time I got the impression he recognized the name and got a look of guilt.

What impression did the scene leave you with?

If it was guilt, what was Sawyer doing in Australia and was Bernard his next mark?

I also thought he had a "strange" look on his face. Don't know if I would call it guilt, but there was something...

The strange look was from seeing an interracial couple.

The strange look was from seeing an interracial couple.


UUUUhhhhmmmmm. Well, Sawyer is from Tennessee but that does not necessarily make him a KKK. We Euros usually do not know anything about this strange american race-thingy...hassle or what ever you would call it...

I am going to refrain from further comments on issues I have no clue about in the future, I promise.:biggrin: .

Yeah I think that Sawyer saw Bernard getting really emotional and he felt that familiar sense of not fitting into the world of human connection. He's never been in love...he has no idea what it feels like. And part of him is deeply saddened that he's never experienced it...he's completely alone in that sense.

Bernard told his name to Michael...and Michael seemed able to share in Bernard's joy at Rose being alive and well, but Sawyer was just incapable of being a part of that. I didn't see Sawyer's expression as guilty...more as him pulling away and looking forlorn.

Yeah I think that Sawyer saw Bernard getting really emotional and he felt that familiar sense of not fitting into the world of human connection. He's never been in love...he has no idea what it feels like. And part of him is deeply saddened that he's never experienced about it...he's completely alone in that sense.

Bernard told his name to Michael...and Michael seemed able to share in Bernard's joy at Rose being alive and well, but Sawyer was just incapable of being a part of that. I didn't see Sawyer's expression as guilyt...more as him pulling away and looking forlorn.


good call

I watched 3 times tonight, and the first time I thought he was moved by Bernard's emotions, but by the 3rd time I got the impression he recognized the name and got a look of guilt.

What impression did the scene leave you with?

If it was guilt, what was Sawyer doing in Australia and was Bernard his next mark?

He was hoping he could get with Rose if things didn't work out with Kate.

Sawyer's look was probably to convey that he's living in a world of physical pain, won't let it show in front of his captors, has never known this kind of love, probably wants to cry but can't, and maybe he's thinking about all the couples he came between (that last one would look like guilt.)

Remember when he told Kate that he was getting on the raft because there's nothing worth staying for? I think he meant that he didn't want to stay to watch Kate make eyes at the good doctor. Sawyer might be actually falling in love, and seeing what Rose and Bernard have is just too much for him now.

I think that it was a small look of shock. He, like alot of us, was expecting Bernard to be black. That doesn't mean that he is racist, just as it doesn't mean that any of us are racist. We just saw Rose as a black woman in her 50's and assumed that her husband would also be black.

Therefore, when he found out that her husband was white, there was a brief time of suprise.

Of course, that was my take on my first viewing of the show. When I watch it again, I may change my mind.

I think that it was a small look of shock. He, like alot of us, was expecting Bernard to be black. That doesn't mean that he is racist, just as it doesn't mean that any of us are racist. We just saw Rose as a black woman in her 50's and assumed that her husband would also be black.

Therefore, when he found out that her husband was white, there was a brief time of suprise.


Yeah, I think that was probably it. I think the character "Sawyer" would have that kind of reaction for a second or two...it was just Bernard wasn't who he expected him to be.

Keep in mind Sawyer had the manifest before giving it to Hurley...I'm sure he looked it over and it was a mix of knowing the name but expecting a black face as I'm sure a majority of the people on here did as well.

There was a thread that asked if the big man with the club could be Bernard but it was dismissed as him being to young and I made the comment that we shouldn't look at the obvious on this show but the unobvious meaning who says he is a black man?? They pulled the rug out on us again.

Anyone else recognize Bernard as Dr. Kasin from ER??

Maybe Sawyer was just shocked Bernard was alive, like me. His skin color was much less of a shock than him just being alive. This show palys with stereotypes quite a bit, them being interracial fits right in. I got teary in that scene.

I think that Sawyer just has such a chip on his shoulder that it is hard for him to show any kind of emotion except anger..I was a little shocked to see that Bernard was white...
My son thought the big strapping black guy was Roses hubbie!! LOL, you go Rose!!

Anyone else recognize Bernard as Dr. Kasin from ER??

I recognized him as Harlan Manners from Angel.

I recognized him as Harlan Manners from Angel.

ME TOO!

I don't think it has anything to do with color. They've been on the island for over a month together, and last season Rose believed that her husband was still alive. That might have been whispered around amongst the other survivors. My opinion is that Sawyer knew that Rose believed her husband was alive, that somehow in translation, Bernards name was mentioned as her husband's name. I think that in Sawyer's mind at that moment he may have been wondering 'how did she know' and/or 'if he survived...?'

I don't think it has anything to do with color. They've been on the island for over a month together, and last season Rose believed that her husband was still alive. That might have been whispered around amongst the other survivors. My opinion is that Sawyer knew that Rose believed her husband was alive, that somehow in translation, Bernards name was mentioned as her husband's name. I think that in Sawyer's mind at that moment he may have been wondering 'how did she know' and/or 'if he survived...?'

I dont think thats right. I mean Sawyer did not know what Hurleys real name was. Sawyer would not be interested in that at all. He looks after number 1 and unless he is involved he does not care about anything else. I think he just did not understand Bernards emotions.

Maybe its something that Sawyer read. Rose might have put some sort of note to Bernard in the bottle revealing something about him or her. Sawyer read the notes while they were on the raft. It seems to me that Sawyer is more aware of the castaways connections back home than anyone else....even though he still has no idea who Hugo is and why he is leaving his mom $150 million...

My opinion is that Sawyer knew that Rose believed her husband was alive, that somehow in translation, Bernards name was mentioned as her husband's name. I think that in Sawyer's mind at that moment he may have been wondering 'how did she know' and/or 'if he survived...?'

I agree. My take on his reaction was that he knew she believed her husband to be alive and no one but her believed this. Sawyer was struck with the reality that she was right. I think Sawyer is a lot like Jack in the science vs. faith issue. And something like this would shake up the way he views things.

If it was from shock of him being alive, then he woulda had the same expression about all the rest of the tailies being alive, so that's not it.
I don't think it is his inability to handle emotion b/c the look was more of a 'confused' look.
It either has to do with something we don't know about yet or just b/c he was confused that the dude was white. There aren't a lot of inter-racial couples in that age group and it makes sense to think the dude was black. But I'm hoping it is some other connection that they were forshadowing.

I wasn't the least bit shocked that Rose's husband was white, but then it just solidified a pet theory of mine that Rose and Bernard are Susan's parents. :) Susan is obviously bi-racial, and I was kind of hoping that Rose and Bernard would turn out to be Walt's grandparents. Estrangement is pervasive in the storyline, and I think Susan was estranged from her parents, who have never seen or heard about Walt and Michael. I think that may very well be one of Rose's "sob stories."


I don't think it is his inability to handle emotion b/c the look was more of a 'confused' look.


Perhaps Sawyer read a message that held a clue about that family relationship. Perhaps Rose and Bernard had been in OZ because of their daughter's death. He also knows that Walt's mother died in OZ. It's possible that Rose sent a message to Brian Porter. Who knows what he picked up from Michael and Walt in the conversations on the raft? Maybe he was just putting 2 and 2 together. He already made the connection between Jack and Christian.

Shootfire, I like your theory a lot! Lots of good answers to a tough question -- I always have a hard time reading Sawyer. Just can't get into his head at all.

I wasn't the least bit shocked that Rose's husband was white, but then it just solidified a pet theory of mine that Rose and Bernard are Susan's parents. :) Susan is obviously bi-racial, and I was kind of hoping that Rose and Bernard would turn out to be Walt's grandparents. Estrangement is pervasive in the storyline, and I think Susan was estranged from her parents, who have never seen or heard about Walt and Michael. I think that may very well be one of Rose's "sob stories."



Perhaps Sawyer read a message that held a clue about that family relationship. Perhaps Rose and Bernard had been in OZ because of their daughter's death. He also knows that Walt's mother died in OZ. It's possible that Rose sent a message to Brian Porter. Who knows what he picked up from Michael and Walt in the conversations on the raft? Maybe he was just putting 2 and 2 together. He already made the connection between Jack and Christian.

I don't think so, Michael would surely have known 1) the names of Susan's parents (and vice versa) and 2) Rose would have figured out something after a month + of being with Walt.

I think Sawyer has been in love before, I think the look was him trying to hold back feelings - the same one all of us viewers felt. He's just not used to showing them, after all he's gotta be the bad boy. We all know he's mushy mush underneath.

I don't think so, Michael would surely have known 1) the names of Susan's parents (and vice versa) and 2) Rose would have figured out something after a month + of being with Walt.

I disagree because as I said before, estrangement is pervasive in the show. If Susan was estranged from her parents, there's a good chance she didn't talk about them at all. We still haven't heard what Rose and Bernard's surname is. The people on this island are actually prone not to discuss things or figure them out. As we all saw in EHH Rose is not one to dabble in things that aren't her business without being asked to do so.

I think it's simpler than most of you are making it out to be...

Sawyer, who by anyone's definition is a loner, suddenly realizes that Rose, who appeared to be a loner as well, actually has someone on the island who loves her. I perceived his reaction as one of self pity..."am I REALLY the only person on Craphole Island with no one that cares for me?"

some interesting theories. and some good ones. but, did anybody think that maybe he was just overacting the scene a little bit and we're all reading too much into it? i mean sometimes sawyer torques the acting thing up a bit, especially in these last couple of episodes where he's playing the role of the misunderstood-rogue-with-the-heart-of-gold-nursing-an-injury. don't get me wrong, i think sawyer is a great character. he just seems to kind of game it sometimes and i think you'll go nuts if you overanlyze his facial expressions of all people.

Maybe its something that Sawyer read. Rose might have put some sort of note to Bernard in the bottle revealing something about him or her. Sawyer read the notes while they were on the raft. It seems to me that Sawyer is more aware of the castaways connections back home than anyone else....even though he still has no idea who Hugo is and why he is leaving his mom $150 million...

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe she wrote something that Sawyer read and it came back to him when he met the husband.

Maybe Sawyer was just shocked Bernard was alive, like me.

You weren't actually surprised, were you? This moment has been telegraphed since "Walkabout" when Rose first said that her husband wasn't dead. Hardly surprising, really.

I only saw it once, but I just got the impression that Sawyer just wanted to distance himself from someone feeling such intense emotions. Look how hard it was for him to tell Jack about Christian. Sawyer has, um, severe intimacy issues.

Don't think Sawyer is a racist, it would have surely come up by now in his dealings with Michael.


yeah sawyer isn't a racist by any means - he is an equal opportunity name caller. If you are a chick or fat or old or black or whatever he is going to find some name to call you that relates to your appearance (I love that about him - he doesn't censor himself). I totally agree with your statement about intense emotions - I think it makes him uncomfortable - he would rather throw up the defense mechanism.

People are looking way to hard into one look.

Rose has been talking about how her husband is still alive. Then he turns out to be alive.

Sawyer was probably thinking the same as us - "Shit, she was right."

No more, no less. All this about getting in touch with his emotions, or backing off because he can't connect to emotions is fan-spin.

UUUUhhhhmmmmm. Well, Sawyer is from Tennessee but that does not necessarily make him a KKK. We Euros usually do not know anything about this strange american race-thingy...hassle or what ever you would call it...

I am going to refrain from further comments on issues I have no clue about in the future, I promise.:biggrin: .

Yeah, you Germans really have a handle on the race relations, eh? And the rest of Europe does great, too. How are things going with the flood of North Africans Muslims? Everyone in Europe treats them great.

I think Sawyer has a small racist bone in his body. Remember how he talked to Sayid at the beginning of Season 1? However in this case, I think he was simply expecting a black man. I wasn't shocked that Rose's husband was white; however, I think I was looking for a middle-aged black man to peg as being Rose's husband. The truth is that same race couples FAR out number interacial. I don't think I am racist(or Sawyer in this case); I think we just form oppinions sometimes based on experience and norms. I know that can be bad sometimes, but it is also human.

I don't think it has anything to do with color. They've been on the island for over a month together, and last season Rose believed that her husband was still alive. That might have been whispered around amongst the other survivors. My opinion is that Sawyer knew that Rose believed her husband was alive, that somehow in translation, Bernards name was mentioned as her husband's name. I think that in Sawyer's mind at that moment he may have been wondering 'how did she know' and/or 'if he survived...?'

My thoughts exactly. I think that he knew of Rose's conviction that her husband was still alive, and it jarred him to see that it was so. I think it was a look of "whoa, she was right!" on his face. ;)

I think Sawyer has a small racist bone in his body. Remember how he talked to Sayid at the beginning of Season 1?

He's also called Hurley "Lardo" and Walt "Tattoo". Does that mean that he's against overweight people or children? Nah, he's not a racist. He just holds everyone at arm's length, for whatever reason. Labeling and nicknames are one way to belittle people; it keeps them at a distance and makes you feel somewhat superior to them.

Anyone else recognize Bernard as Dr. Kasin from ER??

I recognized him as the principal from Forest Gump. Is there a Mr. Gump, Misses Gump? :biggrin:

I really think Sawyer didn't expect Bernard to be white.

Excellent responses everyone. Thanks for all the input.


mbsieve Maybe its something that Sawyer read. Rose might have put some sort of note to Bernard in the bottle revealing something about him or her. Sawyer read the notes while they were on the raft. It seems to me that Sawyer is more aware of the castaways connections back home than anyone else....even though he still has no idea who Hugo is and why he is leaving his mom $150 million...

Good one. Sawyer has all kinds of info to share with us in the future.


Originally Posted by Spirit4ever

My opinion is that Sawyer knew that Rose believed her husband was alive, that somehow in translation, Bernards name was mentioned as her husband's name. I think that in Sawyer's mind at that moment he may have been wondering 'how did she know' and/or 'if he survived...?'


asraigrrl I agree. My take on his reaction was that he knew she believed her husband to be alive and no one but her believed this. Sawyer was struck with the reality that she was right. I think Sawyer is a lot like Jack in the science vs. faith issue. And something like this would shake up the way he views things.

Do you think Sawyer and Jack are cut from the same cloth, but life experiences sent them on different paths?


shootfire I wasn't the least bit shocked that Rose's husband was white, but then it just solidified a pet theory of mine that Rose and Bernard are Susan's parent. Susan is obviously bi-racial, and I was kind of hoping that Rose and Bernard would turn out to be Walt's grandparents. Estrangement is pervasive in the storyline, and I think Susan was estranged from her parents, who have never seen or heard about Walt and Michael. I think that may very well be one of Rose's "sob stories."


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I don't think it is his inability to handle emotion b/c the look was more of a 'confused' look.



Perhaps Sawyer read a message that held a clue about that family relationship. Perhaps Rose and Bernard had been in OZ because of their daughter's death. He also knows that Walt's mother died in OZ. It's possible that Rose sent a message to Brian Porter. Who knows what he picked up from Michael and Walt in the conversations on the raft? Maybe he was just putting 2 and 2 together. He already made the connection between Jack and Christian.

WOW...........cool theory. Walt takes after granny Rose, more than either of his parents?


nonnyd Sawyer's look was probably to convey that he's living in a world of physical pain, won't let it show in front of his captors, has never known this kind of love, probably wants to cry but can't, and maybe he's thinking about all the couples he came between (that last one would look like guilt.)

Remember when he told Kate that he was getting on the raft because there's nothing worth staying for? I think he meant that he didn't want to stay to watch Kate make eyes at the good doctor. Sawyer might be actually falling in love, and seeing what Rose and Bernard have is just too much for him now.

Bernard made me cry every time I viewed it, and being right there must have been an emotionally charged moment, and Sawyer couldn't deny his feelings?


QueenElessar Yeah I think that Sawyer saw Bernard getting really emotional and he felt that familiar sense of not fitting into the world of human connection. He's never been in love...he has no idea what it feels like. And part of him is deeply saddened that he's never experienced it...he's completely alone in that sense.

Bernard told his name to Michael...and Michael seemed able to share in Bernard's joy at Rose being alive and well, but Sawyer was just incapable of being a part of that. I didn't see Sawyer's expression as guilty...more as him pulling away and looking forlorn.

I can see that, I was reading too much into his look.


PosseGal I think it's simpler than most of you are making it out to be...

Sawyer, who by anyone's definition is a loner, suddenly realizes that Rose, who appeared to be a loner as well, actually has someone on the island who loves her. I perceived his reaction as one of self pity..."am I REALLY the only person on Craphole Island with no one that cares for me?"

Poor Sawyer. I hope he's okay and finds what he's looking for.

luv to hear others therories...puts so many ideas and spins...here is a thought...sawyer has observed first hand unconditional love and what it does to people no matter how close or far....rose and michael have shown him this just by association...something he was never shown losing his mom and dad so early and in such a horrible way...
skybluelost:-(

Thanks Heidict,
Being my family and I come from 4 generations of Tennessee hill folk, the old "being from the south makes you a member of the KKK" gets really old and nauseating to say the least!! Where does this brainwashed idealogy come from anyway that all southerners are race hating bigots? What Northern people have never cared for their own race enough to keep marrying into the same one or what, just because I expected Rose to be married to a black man sure doesn't mean I am a racist. Being her age and all it really seems unlikly that her husband would be white. And if that is how I feel what is wrong with it?

Sorry...but the race thing sickens me to the core. We southerners have to almost walk on eggshells at times due to ignorance.

KaitlynT

Thanks Heidict,
Being my family and I come from 4 generations of Tennessee hill folk, the old "being from the south makes you a member of the KKK" gets really old and nauseating to say the least!! Where does this brainwashed idealogy come from anyway that all southerners are race hating bigots? What Northern people have never cared for their own race enough to keep marrying into the same one or what, just because I expected Rose to be married to a black man sure doesn't mean I am a racist. Being her age and all it really seems unlikly that her husband would be white. And if that is how I feel what is wrong with it?

Sorry...but the race thing sickens me to the core. We southerners have to almost walk on eggshells at times due to ignorance.

KaitlynT

I feel for ya. Try being Canadian and having people that live 100 miles away think you live in igloos. Please people, educate yourself.

could it also have been that everyone thought that Rose was slightly mental for believing that her husband was still alive? It was probably a look of shock because she was right.

could it also have been that everyone thought that Rose was slightly mental for believing that her husband was still alive? It was probably a look of shock because she was right.

She is mental. Even a broken clock is "right" twice a day.

Just because he's suprised that the guy is white doesn't mean he's a racist ppl... please... and don't let your european arrogance shine through too much when refering to our "american race issues"... don't be a jerk and lets keep this friendly... it was a look of suprise... for one, the guy is white... its not racist to say the guy is white and it's not racist to say the woman is black... THE GUY IS WHITE.. and I for one was suprised about that... if there were an old black guy there, then the first thing I would think is.."YAY! Bernard is alive!!!"... That would not have had as much as an impact of suprise... And I saw the same look of suprise on Michael's face too... none of us suspected him to be white and neither did any of the characters on screen... Plus they all expected the rest of the passengers to be dead and Rose had already dealt with the loss of her husband, which added to the suprise even more... How many 70 year old black ladies are married to white men out there? Not being too arrogant to accept facts doesn't make you a racist, it makes you a realist... I got nothing against black people, and in fact have many black friends and listen to rap music, blues, watch UPN, and so on and so on, but, without knowing any of you, I can guarantee that we all had the same reaction of surprise as was scripted for not only Sawyer, but Michael as well. You don't think they planned on extra surprise by casting a white Bernard? Please....