I noticed there were several clear shots of the chocolate bars in this episode. I couldn't see a Dharma Logo on them. If everything else was marked with the logo, why whouldn't the chocolate be?

http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theapollobar3hy.jpg

Thats um, a amazingly good point. Every other item of foodstuff in that hatch has the Dharma logo on it. Even the peanut butter, nothing on the candy bars.

My point exactly. I'm surprised this wasn't mentioned before.

It seems like the Dharma people were very sure to put their logo everywhere, so why don't these chocolate bars have the logo on them?

Good catch. I think everyone was missing the forest through the trees and didn't even think to look for something like that.

I wonder what it means? Why would they stamp everything else but those candybars?

very good point. feeling stupid that it hadn't clicked with me before. Had noticed it, but it hadn't clicked.

Rather than the Dharma people putting their logo on everything, or stamping everything with their logo.....does anyone else think that their logo is on all the food because they manufactured it? They produced it? Aside from the candy bars, I mean. I mean, why take a retail jar of peanut butter (and every other kind of food in the hatch), peel the company brand labels off of them, and put your own label on them? That doesn't make much sense to me. I think that Dharma manufactured its own food and labeled it as such. Except for the candy bars. ;)

I thought about that last night too. I think they made it a point to show those candy bars so close up, and focus on them, and even have Rose and Hurley have a convo about them to make it SCREAM out loud to us "a clue, a clue"!

All we needed was a little blue pawprint to make it official. :) (parents of preschoolers will get that joke)

I think, given the other threads that have linked the swan and the arrow to constellations that link to Apollo , that there is definitely more to it just being candy, as Rose suggested when she quoted her husband.

Maybe the candy bars were salvaged from Desmond's boat supplies.
And they have nothing to do with DHARMA.

I don't think Desmond got to the island the way he said he did. When Jack asked him why he didn't know about the crash he said that he doesn't get out much - busy entering the numbers. If Desmond washed up on the island, how did Kelvin know he was there if he was on his own.

Sorry, not really on the topic, but I'm just saying, I don't think that Desmond brought the chocolate there.

I believe the potato chips didn't have a logo either. These are brand-name items, not generic Dharma food. Regardless, didn't the tin the candy was stored in have the logo on it?

The Apollo bars are important because they put a time frame on how long the hatch has been there. I think they are supposed to make us think the hatch has been there since the 60s and 70s based on their reference to NASA's Apollo missions. Couldn't have been before that, anyway.

From the research I have done so far, it is my impression that it's a fictional candy bar. I guess Tang is too prevalent now to elicit the "this product went to the moon in 1969" response it used to have, or perhaps they just didn't want any product placement in the show. In any case, I believe the Apollo candy bar is supposed to add to theories that the hatch is somehow connected to the space program, or that time period at least.

FYI: There was no logo on the individual bars, but there was on the cannister they were in. Would you put a logo on each individual bar or cookie in a tin? I doubt it. There was also a dharma sticker slapped on the potato chip bags.

I can't help but think the food with the logo is a product of the company and that it is modified/drugged. Let's see what happens to the people who got peanut butter (claire) and those that ate candy (Kate).

Should any of this thread be in spoiler font? I only know how to use spoiler in the linear board. How do you use it here?

did anyone notice that the picture Smok9977 posted that the candy bar has an expiration date on it? it's '04!!! they have to have gotten there a short time ago.

Maybe they put the chocolate into their own tin. It will be easier than having a bunch of loose bars in the pantry. I still think that this is important.

Why whould the Dharma people make all of their own food, but bring in an outside source for the Chocolate?

Did you also notice the expiration date? 2004!!

I can't take credit for that picture, but that's exactly why I linked to that one. I found it very interesting that they would expire in 2004. I think this is connected to the washer and dryer being modern. Hurley even mentioned them to Rose (In a round about way).

I still think that Kate knows more than she is saying about the crash. She did say that she saw the whole thing, that she never blacked out like everyone else did. these items in the hatch being of recent dates too. i think that they all tie in to one another

Frankly, I doubt dharma "manufactured" any of the food. They just put it in tins/boxes with their logo on it. But if conspiracy theories make you happy, go for it! :biggrin:

There are alot of other threads about Apollo being connected with a swan, an arrow (the two dharma logos we know of so far) and the numbers and constellations

The logo was on the tin that had the candy bars in it.

The chips had the logo on it as well.



while we're at it:

Hurley said there was enough food for One guy to have Three meals a day for Three months


The orientation film never said there was 6 stations





Does anyone even try to confirm anything before they post it anymore. The mods should start deleting threads with erroneous information in it. In 2 weeks I gurantee there will be several threads talking about the lack of the logo on the candy bars.

It should also be noted that the Candy Bars are the only object I can see in the food pantry that also has "DI9FFTR731" written on it, just like the vials that Desmond was shooting himself up with. I do not see this on any other food products in the pantry...can anyone else?

Here's a screencapture of the candybar tin for your enjoyment:
http://sier_element.home.comcast.net/candy.jpg

Why would the meds and the candy bars have that on it?

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Nevermind. The "DI" numbers are not on the vials, just "the numbers". I dont know what I was thinking here. Enjoy the screencaps anyway..haha,

Also, it seems they are showing the chocolate bars the most often. Why not show the potato chips more often?

hahaha, but the real clue is ON the candy bar, where it says "Full of Nuts"! That describes all of us viewers!

One explanation for slapping the logo on the food, even if they didn't manufacture it, would be that there are at least two bunkers, each with their own project. Supplies for each project are marked with the logo of the project (swan vs. whatever the other bunker logo was) so that the correct supplies are distributed to the right bunker to ensure that each project is supplied properly.

That would explain why the candy bar was made by someone else, and why the tater chips had the logo just stickered on. It's not a Dharma product, it's just labelled so that it can be easily identified from another project's supplies. I think it was made clear in the Orientation film that although there may not have been SIX other projects, the swan label was clearly pointed out as belonging to THIS PARTICULAR project, which would imlpy that there was at least one more.

I wonder if all the food is medicated. Or purposefully contaminated. We'll have to see if the food makes anyone sick.

And I think there are six stations due to the (3 of 6) caption on the title screen of the orientation film. Further, I think all six stations are on the island. One station has 42 survivors, one has 23. Lets see of we don't run into a group of 4, 8, 15, and 16 survivors at the other stations.

One explanation for slapping the logo on the food, even if they didn't manufacture it, would be that there are at least two bunkers, each with their own project. Supplies for each project are marked with the logo of the project (swan vs. whatever the other bunker logo was) so that the correct supplies are distributed to the right bunker to ensure that each project is supplied properly.

That would explain why the candy bar was made by someone else, and why the tater chips had the logo just stickered on. It's not a Dharma product, it's just labelled so that it can be easily identified from another project's supplies. I think it was made clear in the Orientation film that although there may not have been SIX other projects, the swan label was clearly pointed out as belonging to THIS PARTICULAR project, which would imlpy that there was at least one more.

This makes sense, but why go to the trouble of labelling all of the food for each station? Wouldn’t it be easier to have one source of food for each location? And what about the code on each item DI9FFTR731? It just seems like an awful lot of work for “Rations”. The military supplies food for different troops in different locations, but doesn’t take the time to mark each shipment with their individual platoon/company names.

This makes sense, but why go to the trouble of labelling all of the food for each station? Wouldn’t it be easier to have one source of food for each location? And what about the code on each item DI9FFTR731? It just seems like an awful lot of work for “Rations”. The military supplies food for different troops in different locations, but doesn’t take the time to mark each shipment with their individual platoon/company names.

If they all came on the same cargo ship, it would explain why they had different markings. It could still be one food source, just with different destinations and thus different labels.

As for the number code printed on them, I have no idea but I don't think it takes away from this theory.

I agree that it seems like a lot of work for rations. It's just the most plausible explanation I could think of for labelling it all. We know there is more than one logo...

I disagree that the food is contaminated, poisoned, or bad in any way. People keep saying that, and yet Desmond isn't sick after three years. If it's important that they keep pushing the button, why make them sick?

If they all came on the same cargo ship, it would explain why they had different markings. It could still be one food source, just with different destinations and thus different labels.

But wouldn't it be easier to just prepare crates or pallets of what food is to go to each station? Why go to the trouble of labeling everything?

They dharma folks sure love that logo. That was just weird that it was on eveything.

Couldn't the "3 of 6" just mean there are six orientation films. Kinda like a set of books? Just wondering....

Couldn't the "3 of 6" just mean there are six orientation films. Kinda like a set of books? Just wondering....

The film also stated that The Swan = Station 3. To me, that indicates "3 of 6" refers to stations, not films.

All we needed was a little blue pawprint to make it official. :) (parents of preschoolers will get that joke).

Hey! I'm a grown-up with no little kiddies and I know what you mean....(Donovan, "Joe", is a li'l cutie)!! ;)

It should also be noted that the Candy Bars are the only object I can see in the food pantry that also has "DI9FFTR731" written on it, just like the vials that Desmond was shooting himself up with. I do not see this on any other food products in the pantry...can anyone else?

I saw it on every food item in the pantry. I didn't see it on the medicine vials. What I saw on them was "CR 4-81516-23 42" (the numbers again).

But wouldn't it be easier to just prepare crates or pallets of what food is to go to each station? Why go to the trouble of labeling everything?
I don't know. Why not? What if the cargo got mixed on rough seas? What if the palettes had to be broken down to shuttle them to the island from a much larger cargo ship that could not dock there?

I hardly think this question qualifies as a definitive debunking of this theory, so I don't understand why you keep asking it when you know I don't have the definitive answer. I just think it makes sense, and that this would be a good reason to label it all.

If you can come up with another reason it all needs to be labelled on a per-station basis, I'm all ears. I agree it seems like a lot of work. Clearly they felt it was important. We've already seen the logo. Putting it on every piece of food and container in there seems like an awful lot of prop work just to make sure we noticed it. This is why I think there is some significance to it, as in a clue to the fact that there are other stations with different Dharma symbols.

The logo was on the tin that had the candy bars in it.

The chips had the logo on it as well.

while we're at it:

Hurley said there was enough food for One guy to have Three meals a day for Three months

The orientation film never said there was 6 stations

Does anyone even try to confirm anything before they post it anymore. The mods should start deleting threads with erroneous information in it. In 2 weeks I gurantee there will be several threads talking about the lack of the logo on the candy bars.

Just wanted to confirm/question some of the things stated in this thread and others

I re-watched Orientation last night and I agree that I could find NO specific reference to their being 6 stations, only that Dr. Candle mentioned specifically 6 types of study and alluded to their being more than the swan station - also he stated that the swan hatch was previously a laboratory and that it was chosen for its unusual magnetic properties, prior to the incident. It is alluded to that the computer and protocol of 108 minutes/2 partners/rotation every 540 days, etc. was put into place after the incident

- it is a little confusing how much inferred information gets put forth as "fact" but also interesting how our minds leap to conclusions and then want to defend them even when we are not certain ourselves...sometimes I wonder of the whole show and the audience is one giant human study....carry on... LOL! :)

Also, a pretty strong connection has been made between the swan, apollo and the arrow, and likely are leading but not fully revealed clues to more coming down the line. Google any of them and you will see at least possible crossover. I do think it is at least worth considering that their might be something different about the brand name food items verses the dharma generic items. Apollo was a real candy bar at one time - whether it was meant to be real in the show or just a poetic liscence not sure - but if it does allude to something beyond Apollo - like a timeframe, then I think we must consider when it stopped being manufatured and how long is a standard candy bar expiration date...since Desmond says he has been down there for 3 years and the shift change should have come at 540 and has defiantley passed, then it is curious how a candy bar one would presume goes bad in at least 2 years is down there in a container marked dharma...strange things are afoot at the circle k

I'm not sure that I buy into the food contamination/tampering theory, but it could explain the labelling/barcodes. It seems it would make it easier to assure that each station (presumably performing different experiments) would receive the food specifically tainted--or not--for the experiment.

OK, please let me straighten this out. The candy was in a tin with the Dharma logo but the candy was in it's branded package. The peanut butter label...wasn't it white with the Dharma logo or was it just white with black type that said peanut butter?

Most of what's being said could still fit into the branded label verses the white with black type label, right? It's a given that everything came in a box or tin with the Dharma logo on it.

I saw it on every food item in the pantry. I didn't see it on the medicine vials. What I saw on them was "CR 4-81516-23 42" (the numbers again).

You are totally correct. I dont know what the hell I was thinking here.

Chalk this post up to pure mixup-ed-ness. The "DI...blahblah" numbers are on all the food, and not on the vials. haha. I'm an idiot sometimes.

I'm an idiot sometimes.

Aren't we all....?

FYI: There was no logo on the individual bars, but there was on the cannister they were in. Would you put a logo on each individual bar or cookie in a tin? I doubt it. There was also a dharma sticker slapped on the potato chip bags.

That's what I was gonna say.

Hey.. the lava lamp hasn't got a Dharma logo on it !!! OMG !!
Unbelievable !.. the rifles haven't got the Dharma logo on them either !!
:rolleyes:

isn't it possibly because of copyright infringement, the apollo bar might be a real product in the world today, a registered trademark so to speak, and by smacking that logo on it, people would think it's not a real candy bar and possibly not buy it???? just a suggestion, or you could turn it the other way round and say if it had it on it, people would be desperate to buy it 'cos its like...lost candy, so all the giddy lost fans (like me lol) would go buying it. Dunno just my thoughts and suggestions, probably wrong, jsut thought I'd put in my two pence worth

LOCKE RULES!!! LOCKE'S DAD IS STUPID!!!!

That's what I was gonna say.

Hey.. the lava lamp hasn't got a Dharma logo on it !!! OMG !!
Unbelievable !.. the rifles haven't got the Dharma logo on them either !!
:rolleyes:

I can't remember the last time I ate a lava lamp or rifle. Hmmmmm, when was that.....? :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Noubourne;541675]The Apollo bars are important because they put a time frame on how long the hatch has been there. I think they are supposed to make us think the hatch has been there since the 60s and 70s based on their reference to NASA's Apollo missions. QUOTE]

There is speculation that is has something to do with Constellations:

Here's a link to the topic on the Spoiler Board:
http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=22698

But the fact that it has no Dharma logo must be significant, right? Who do we know has eaten the chocolate? Just Kate? and it was a significant (yet seemingly unnecessary) amount of time showing her eat the candy...

...strange things are afoot at the circle k

Best reference ever.

Best reference ever.

Hahaha, agreed. Keanu's best line.

I can't remember the last time I ate a lava lamp or rifle. Hmmmmm, when was that.....? :rolleyes:


Point taken :frown:

I might be adding fuel to the fire, haha.

Maybe you HDTV guys ought to cap it, but I was pretty sure the dharma logo was engraved into the handles of the handguns on the rack... (Something similar is)

As for the candy bars, I was thinking Kate found those in a cardboard box, not the "Candy" tins. But don't quote me cause I'm not at a point where I can go back and watch that right now, haha.

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One explanation for slapping the logo on the food, even if they didn't manufacture it, would be that there are at least two bunkers, each with their own project. Supplies for each project are marked with the logo of the project (swan vs. whatever the other bunker logo was) so that the correct supplies are distributed to the right bunker to ensure that each project is supplied properly.

I'm not sure that I buy into the food contamination/tampering theory, but it could explain the labelling/barcodes. It seems it would make it easier to assure that each station (presumably performing different experiments) would receive the food specifically tainted--or not--for the experiment.

Just what I was thinking. I'm also not too excited about food contamination, although I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be a plot line. But for every experiment you need a control. One bunker 'gets it' one bunker gets 'the placebo'.

We should keep in mind that the 'contamination' could be something that will alter or make ill, the person who imbibes OR... it could be a vaccine against something that occurs naturally on the island. In one scenario, the bunker that 'gets it' gets sick (or goes crazy or mutates or something...) in the other, the bunker that gets it stays healthy.

BUT... if there is something in the food then what purpose does the injections serve? Perhaps they needed one person to stay separate from the experiment to push the button.

Just wanderings of the mind. Not really attached to any of this.

(I tried out the multi-quote... took me a few tries on 'which' reply button to push but I got it and it worked well. Good coding Huskie. And, I'm glad for being able to multi-edit this post. I never get all the typos out till the 2nd or 3rd try.)

One reason for a brand name on a product is that it is a paid product placement. Don't get me wrong. Apollo bars are not a paid product placement on Lost. They are a fictional device for the show and don't actually exist, last I saw. Rather in the universe of this fictional show, one of the things going on here is our cast of characters are being, unbeknownst to them, filmed for a TV show -- sort of like the movie, The Truman Show -- and the maker of the Apollo candy bar is the chief sponsor. Hence, their logo on the candy bars, while most everything else has the plain Dharma label

Having said the above, let me say that I, myself, don't even buy the theory I just outlined. But I felt anything is on the table when it goes to unravelling this show's story, so I figured lets toss it out there anyway. Who knows? Maybe a small tiny nugget of truth is in there somwhere.

lol

nice thread!

Apollo Candy bars did exist at one time, so I go with the theory that they were prominently placed in the show to reinforce the 70’s – 80’s time line. Here is a link to a site where they are listed as a discontinued item. http://www.thecandycompany.com/discontinued_items.shtml

Dharma logo on food labels – No problem, they probably had a company store. Ever eat anything that was labeled with a private store brand or with a Girl Scout logo? Most food processors will label a product with a private store brand. You can even get small batches of products like candy bars or cookies made up with a personalized label for parties & other such events.

But the fact that it has no Dharma logo must be significant, right? Who do we know has eaten the chocolate? Just Kate? and it was a significant (yet seemingly unnecessary) amount of time showing her eat the candy...

Well, no.
The whole point of that was to show someone who is beyond famished presented with a chance to overcome that (by eating the chocolate). It was necessary to conjure up empathetic feelings of hunger for her character.

I think everyone is looking into the candy bars thing a little too much. I believe that the reason they were given a lot of airtime during Rose and Hurley's conversation was to bring up the character of Bernard. It was a piece of exposition used by the writers to show that Rose is still adamant Bernard is alive out there somewhere, which we learn is correct later. It was an emotional connection that Rose picked up and used to further her feelings and to remember her lost (no pun intended) husband.

The tin was labelled so I don't think there was any need to label each individual candy bar. The expiration date thing is a little off though. I personally think the writers have shown the Dharma Initiative labelling all their food as a conscious effort to highlight that this organisation is VERY controlling. I think it should be viewed as a vanity issue on behalf of this organisation that thinks it owns everything.

Just my 2 cents.