What did you think?

overall, it was pretty good... the spoilers leading up to the ep made it sound like a "who shot j.r." episode where we wouldn't know the killer until the next ep, but owell, i'm glad they ended this way... i liked it... isn't there usually a poll on these rating an ep threads?

ETA: ah there we are hehe... i even liked Locke in this ep... loved him taking Charlie down a peg with his heroin addict comment...

extended episode next week!

I liked the interaction with the tail section survivors and our Lostaways. The fear, tension, panic just bubbling below the surface. How they all worked together to get Sawyer up the gorge...of course that led to poor Cindy's demise.

Onteresting that everyone heard the whispers and both Sayid and Shannon saw Walt...I'm not sure what to make of that.


Was a huge Charlie fan last year but this year...bleh.

I'm on the East Coast and so I got to see it earlier than usual & I loved it. I'm kinda' sad though, the ill-fated character was never my fave but I thought was so great for the show. I don't think Jack will be able to fix that one. The second season has been better than I'd expected and I think this was one of the best yet. I'm glad we don't have to wait for the "whodunit?" thing. I don't think I could take it.

I thought it was great. They had some really good moments in there. I mean, the look on Sayid's face...:frown:

But I was upset with Charlie. I love him, but somebody needs to give him a good talking to.

Great epi . I knew what was gonna happen to Shannon and I was still a bit shocked. I bet anyone unspoiled is having a meltdown.:) They set it up to look like Cindy was the death, that was smart.

please don't hate me...but i was really disappointed with this show. i mean, we've been waiting for three weeks to see it again, and i don't feel like anything was really accomplished in this one. yeah we did get to see some of Shannon's back history, but if anything else, that left me with more questions. plus the whole, who killed who thing was way too predictable...but this is just my $.02

I thought it was a good episode. I wonder if Shannon is dead though, it was just one shot? Also I'm sad that Ana did it, wasn't that surprised(I was in a bit of denial right up to the moment) it's just going to fuel the Ana hate though. Some people said it sounded like a shot gun? hmmm... Locke going to have to stage another intervention with Charlie unless he can resist the heorin on his own.

This one was very good. Probably one of the best so far this season. I greatly enjoyed the flashbacks. They really helped me to have sympathy towards Shannon. The island events were all excited and a bit scary at times. I'm just curious about what the purpose of killing Shannon is (if she indeed is dying).

Definitely one of the best eps! I, for one, was totally surprised by the shooter although I was pretty sure Shannon was going to die(from spoilers). I loved that I was still surprised!

Great eppy!

This was a really good episode I thought. I liked it a lot. I am very, very sad, though. :(

yeah, to echo what's been said, a top-notch episode--every scene imparted a new plot point or changed the character dynamics, and Shannon's flashbacks gave me a much better understanding of her character....made the ending seem downright tragic....

really well written and acted episode, although I am super annoyed about the outcome. And I do not understand why they would give all these layers to Shannon FINALLY and then kill her - seems so pointless. She was a character with a lot of room to grow. Will anyone ever like Ana-Lucia after this one?

It was a great epi. Brought some tears down my face!

it was great. but i'm really sad (shannon) and angry (ana-lucia)... i still can't believe she shot her! that b****!

Easily the best ep (so far) of a disappointing season. I thought there were a few too many holes left in Shannon's backstory

When was she married, for example

but overall very dramatic and at points terrifying.

I doubt that they'll ever be able to redeem Ana-Lu after this, though.

I rated this at 8, but it gets an extra point for NO KATE.

And die, Charlie, die.

27 for good episode? I thought it was a little boring and kind of predictable at points.

This ep was not as much of a trainwreck as I expected. Heck, it was good. All the spoilers surrounding it made it seem like something they'd whipped up to cover Maggie Grace quitting that wouldn't really make any sense. But the events that took place seemed to set up things to come nicely. Good writing, good acting, surprisingly good episode. (Though I couldn't stand the Shayid pillow talk - I've never understood wtf Shayid was, besides a way of giving two random characters something to do).

I voted:
Great show! One of their best.

And I mean it. Sooo much development in this episode... haha, saw Jack in the hospital (that WAS him, right?).

Sad to see Shannon shot... I hope she's not dead, but I'm guessing she is. I think she still had a lot of growth in her, but it's just like life I guess. Can't wait to see next week's episode (as usual). Lots of food for thought after this episode.

I rated this at 8, but it gets an extra point for NO KATE.



Hear, hear! This was an awesome ep, the best of season 2 so far... and it was made even better by its Katelessness.

This episode didn't change my mind about any of the characters. I was never particularly a Shannon 'lover' or hater. After this episode I felt exactly the same way as I have always felt about her...she was a good character but not on my favorites list. I'm sorry but I'm not going to miss her all that much but please don't take that as a bash.

I feel the same way about Ana. I'm not mad at her for being on edge and shooting at noises in the jungle. She's not a particularly pleasant person but I have no reason to 'hate' her yet. Even if Shannon was a favorite character I would probably be temporarily mad at her but after thinking it through I would probably calm down a bit. I'm still in the 'I don't know enough about her and I'm not about to hate her for an accident' camp.

Charlie is acting like an addict. People are getting upset because he's not so sweet and cuddly like he was at times last season and are abandoning him...which is ok but they should realize that Addicts are NOT sweet and cuddly. They are paranoid and selfish and whoever is writing for this character is getting it right. Its not pleasant viewing but recovering addicts are NOT pleasant people to be around. It was great of Locke to look him right in the eye and call him on what he was doing..and someone needs to remind Charlie of the time Locke spent with HIM when he needed it. He should know that Locke is the man with all the answers. Annoying Charlie but great writing.

I do wonder what will happen with Jack though when he finds out about the heroin. It will give him another reason to be angry with Locke.

Anyone notice though that even though Locke knew how to quieten down Aaron he was relunctant to actually hold him and seemed relieved to give him up? Interesting.

I think this was a good episode...I'll watch it again but it didn't evoke any strong emotions in me one way or another. I liked Shannon but I won't miss her..I'm still willing to give Ana a chance and I still like Charlie.

Sawyer still annoys me even when he's in a coma but that's for another thread.:biggrin:

This was one of those rare "really great back story" episodes. Pity that Shannon's story is done. Apparently she wasn't the American princess we had been lead to believe she was.
I am really loving Eko now. I want him to have a backstory ASAP.

Freaky Walt was really freaky again. And now Vincent is starting to scare me...lying on Boone's grave.

I did like the trek party story and am loving Jin more and more every time he speaks...even though I haven't a clue what he is saying. I can understand him completely via his body language.

The Locke-Claire-Charlie thing was just weird. Locke knows how to swadle a baby but is afraid to hold him? And he apologizes to Charlie about helping Claire? That was just weird. I am glad Claire has Locke on her side and now that he knows Charlie has the statue, someone will be watching over Claire and Aaron in case Charlie falls off the wagon...or is that "falls off the virgin"?

For some reason, I feel that Shannon's death was, like her brother's, empty and meaningless. And I'm not sure Ana is guilty...yet. The reason I say that is she still had her gun aimed. With only one bullet, if she had actually shot, she likely would have lowered her weapon. Let's see if her gun still has the one bullet in it next week.

great, i loved it..the on-island segments really made up for the whole shannon let-down of a flashback. the only thing i liked about it was boone. and that's not saying much.

I liked how we had Ana's group in the tall grass and then Shannon and Sayid in the tall grass...i was sure it was the dying moment...but they strung it a long a bit more.

I really enjoyed this episode. I went in basically unspoiled (I knew Shannon was dying but had no idea how) and without any kind of expectations (I wanted to avoid the post-hiatus build-up and let-down) and I think it paid off.

I thought the flashbacks were great. They showed a side of Shannon that we really hadn't seen, and seeing Boone again was an extra plus. They really made me wish that her story wasn't ending so soon.

The island stuff was really compelling too. I found everything from Locke/Claire/Charlie to Shannon/Sayid/Walt and the Tailies very intriguing. And the ending was awesome IMHO.

Plus, we only have to wait a week for the next one! :biggrin:

I agree with PosseGal about Shannon's death being empty and meaningless like Boone's. Seemed like a lame way to trim the casting budget. I thought it would be more involved with the mysteries. At least Boone got to be heroic. Very sad she will not be on anymore. Great to see Boone again! But with Shannon gone I guess we've seen the last of him too. Too bad. I thought the ep was great though. It felt more like the first season than any other so far to me. I was surprised that Kate and Sun weren't in the episode at all, and Jack only crossing in the flashback backround, and I didn't even notice. I guess that's when you know the writers are doing a good job.

I LOVED this episode. I thought there was a lot of great character development, as well as plot development. I loved the deepening of the relationship between Michael, Sawyer, and Jin. I loved the set-up for what's to come between Sayid and Ana Lucia. And, unlike the rest of the world, I was actually surprised to see Shannon get wounded. And poor Sayid. He's become one of my favorite characters, and I can't wait to see what he goes through as a result of this.

Loved this epi!

Michael has somewhat redeemed himself in my eyes... Michael confronted AL about why they should be quiet walking through the jungle (It's about time someone demanded some answers), and he insisted on NOT leaving Sawyer behind. I think his strong character has finally been protrayed in a good way.

The whole Claire/Charlie/Locke this was a bit weird - I wonder where that will go?

I liked Shannon's flashbacks, I think it gave us a really good idea on why and how she became the way she is. Made her a much more likable character, sad to see her go...

Finally, I like the fact the episode didn't have Jack or Kate involved at all. I think it is good to leave a character for an ep or 2 and then refocus.

Cannot wai to hear the tailies story...

please don't hate me...but i was really disappointed with this show. i mean, we've been waiting for three weeks to see it again, and i don't feel like anything was really accomplished in this one. yeah we did get to see some of Shannon's back history, but if anything else, that left me with more questions. plus the whole, who killed who thing was way too predictable...but this is just my $.02

I agree with you Giggles. I was a bit disappointed with this epi. I felt like they tried to fit too many other stories into this epi. If it was going to be Shannon-centric, I wish they had made it more so. They could've done more with the backstory to draw us in more. Probably shouldn't have spent so much camera time on Claire/Locke. I don't know...just my opinion.

I agree with you Giggles. I was a bit disappointed with this epi. I felt like they tried to fit too many other stories into this epi. If it was going to be Shannon-centric, I wish they had made it more so. They could've done more with the backstory to draw us in more. Probably shouldn't have spent so much camera time on Claire/Locke. I don't know...just my opinion.


I agree too, it seemed like this episode wasn't really Shannon centric. I know people have complained before but the amount of commercials in the episode is unbelievable. My husband said it seemed to him that we watch 5 minutes of the episode and we get a commercial. I really can't stand it.

The haters are out in full force, I see.

I understand they initially wanted it to be a "who dunnit" cliffhanger ending, but was talked into revealing it. The network felt there were too many unanswered mysteries and didn't want to add to it any further.

I thought it was just ok, I think they rushed this episode ,they didn't tell enough about Shannon's backstory.....Sayid already is in love with her? I think they tried to throw people off by the whole Claire ,Charlie ,Locke thing .Since everyone knew a woman would be killed I think they tried to make people think it could possibly be Claire...

They probably didn't want to spend a lot of time on Shannon, just show that she was treated coldly by her stepmother and not really a horrible selfish person. I am a Shannon fan and I can understand a bit of sympathy and understanding was all the writer's wanted anyone to feel.

While I am grateful to learn more of Shannon's backstory and can now somewhat empathize with her, as with most episodes of Lost, not much happened.

As much as hate to admit it, I am beginning to enjoy the snarkiness in the Lost Is Its Own Monster: The Bitterness Fiesta thread over at TWoP. I am beginning to relate. The story of Lost is being drawn out -- unnecessarily, I might add -- by the use of flashbacks and by the plot device of having characters not share the most obvious information with each other (um, giant invisible monster, anyone???). It's like everyone ignoring the elephant in the room!!!

As much as hate to admit it, I am beginning to enjoy the snarkiness in the Lost Is Its Own Monster: The Bitterness Fiesta thread over at TWoP. I am beginning to relate. The story of Lost is being drawn out -- unnecessarily, I might add -- by the use of flashbacks and by the plot device of having characters not share the most obvious information with each other (um, giant invisible monster, anyone???).
Argh! That is exactly what I've been saying. The flashbacks... I can deal with those because they are usually interesting. But this whole "I have a deep, dark secret and I'm not telling anyone even if it would save my life or the lives of others around me" is really annoying.

:mad:

But about this episode: Did the writers really think that they could take three weeks off, then come back and immediately start out with Sayid and Shannon expressing some deep, heretofore unknown feelings for each other? How on earth was I supposed to get into that when I haven't even seen a new episode in what seems like forever? Besides, last time I checked, Sayid was in love with a girl that he barely saved from execution.

If Sayid really is in love with Shannon, here's how poorly the writers did at relaying that to me: I think he was lying to her when he said it just so he could shut her up and get her to come back to the camp.

There. I said it.

Maybe you all should start your own thread?

I think there is a nitpick thread around here somewhere...

Great episode. Even with the spoilers, I was pleasantly surprised to learn more about the "Others" and it wasn't all about the loss of a character.

absolutely loved it...voted i think 1 of their best...thought maggie did a wonderful job...thought the creative, writing and producing teams put a beautiful, suspense-filled, and tactful show...when i look up at the clock...it was almost over...there is a bunch of us that watch it together...and the majority, hec the whole bunch of us...were moved...there is not many television shows that can do that...we will miss u shannon...and good luck to whomever gets vincent...sayid, michael...thanks again..
skybluelost:-))

Definitely above average. There wasn't too much plot advancement, but this was a great character episode. The writer was a woman whose name I didn't recognize, but she clearly has a great handle on human nature, and these characters in particular. The Claire / Locke / Charlie scenes were perfect, Claire and Charlie behaving pretty much exactly as real people would at that point in a relationship. Those and the Michael / Sawyer scenes were worth the price of admission by themselves (along with the absence of Kate, frankly).

And if 4 or 5 boring Shannon flashbacks, a half-hearted attempt by the writers to redeem the character at the end, and a pointless love scene between two people who couldn't be more wrong for each other are the price I have to pay for being rid of that useless spoiled brat...I'll take that. ;-)

A "Who shot Shannon?" arc would have been really cool, although I can see the point about too many mysteries extant already.

Definately the 2nd best episode of the seaon (1st being episode 1 - in my opinion). I think the show is going to be great from this point on.

Maybe you all should start your own thread?

I think there is a nitpick thread around here somewhere...
I think there already is one. Yeah. Here it is:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/

:)

I just looked at the Jumped the shark option and see that 4 people are never watching Lost again, that's a shame:frown: . The show can always get better and I think next week's episode is going to be amazing.

This episode was definitely above average. My nails are in terrible condition after watching them trek through the jungle. Where the heck did Cindy go? And an ending that I thought I completely understood until I read some of the threads here in conspiracy-land this morning.

I loved it!!!

Oh snarfleblatts. I have avoided spoilers like the plague. Had no idea Maggie was leaving the show. Finally started to care about her and then she gets snuffed. I disagree with those who say her story was over and she was meaningless, but I still think it was an above average effort.

While I liked the character development aspects of this episode, I thought they telegraphed Shannon's demise & I was not shocked by it. I will miss her being on the show even though she was not one of my favorites. I think her absence is a loss for the show but I have heard her contract called for her leaving the show in season 2, right from the start. Considering that I think Maggie did a good job of carrying her character as if she was permanent. I did not rate this show as above average but I do feel it has really set up Ana's character for some exciting episodes.

I enjoyed the episode, but I hate to see Shannon go. She grew on me.

After watching the flashbacks….I did indeed feel pity for Shannon. Now I know why she acts the way she does on the island. She has lost too much in her life in such a short period of time! In fact, safe to say…she has been through even more than Boone.
Why didn’t Shannon’s father leave a will for her? Maybe he didn’t expect his time to come so soon, I don’t know.
Sabrina is one evil stepmother. Instead of treating Shannon like her own daughter….she chases her out of the house to fend for herself.

By the way, great acting by Maggie Grace this episode!!

One thing I wonder- when Sayid told Shannon “I’ll never leave you’ did he really mean
it? I don’t know….only Sayid himself knows.
One question: Had both Sayid and Shannon managed to get off the island and then Sayid suddenly meets Nadia again….who would he chose?

But Sayid’s grief did seem real though when Shannon died in his arms. The look on his face, the dagger look he gave Ana Lucia….it was like saying ‘I am going to get back at you!’