so it was either really Walt or a shared vision/dream/premonition/hallucination thing.
What's he going to do?
Is he going to tell Michael?
How's Michael going to react?
Will anyone believe him?
Is Walt like the grim reaper? Whoever seems him dies?

Oh and just for kicks....death to Ana. Totally not cool, killing Shannon.

did walt look dry when sayid saw him? from a distance, his shirt look dry. which would be odd because everytime shannon saw him, he was drenched.

I'm not sure. I think we was dry, which is odd because it was pouring...

He looked wet to me...the kid is always wet now.

I'm not sure. I think we was dry, which is odd because it was pouring...

Atleast we now know that the whispers are not in the characters head.

It looked to me like Sayid heard something but not sure he actually saw Walt

That's what I was tryin to post, DarthKosh. But I keep getting 'Serve Too Busy' messages. It's wierd, first everyone is hearing whispers at the same time, instead of individual happenings. Now more than one person has Seen 'Walt'.

I was shocked that Sayid saw Walt. I wonder if he will tell anyone , after he tortures Ana of course:) or he will doubt what he saw and heard?
I guess since, he also sees Mike he will ask where's Walt

It looked to me like Sayid heard something but not sure he actually saw Walt

Sayid saw Walt because Shannon asked Sayid if he saw Walt, and he said yes.

I don't think Sayid actually saw him. He just said he did because he had just given Shannon his whole speech about believing in her and stuff, so he said he too saw Walt. Every guy has agreed with a woman to appease her and avoid an argument, even if we think what she says is crazy, at some point...lol :)

I don't think Sayid will tell Michael about Walt....at least, not right away. Characters withholding information from each other for "the greater good" or because they feel someone "isn't ready" to handle the knowledge is a recurring theme on the show. Sayid will be preoccupied with the tail-enders at first, and then he will probably withhold the information because he doesn't want Michael to take off into the jungle on a desperate search.

jericho, i sort of totally agree with you! i immediately was not convinced he saw walt. i think he heard the whispers, but only said "Yes" because he just laid out his heart to shannon and how could he say "no" then. and now he'll have some serious guilt issues, again unable to save the woman he loves, because if he had just said, "shannon, i don't see anything, im looking right where you are looking" perhaps she wouldn't have run off.

just my initial thoughts!

I do think Sayid saw him, and heard the whispers, based on the reaction on his face and his body language tensing up. Plus, wasn't he looking over Shannon's shoulder right at Walt? If he was jsut following her lead, he would have been relaxed until after she said something.

Yeah, Sayid defintely saw Walt. He was hugging Shannon when he all of the sudden tensed up based on what he saw. That is when Shannon turned around and saw Walt.

I agree with jericho and elinnz - I'm not convinced that Sayid saw Walt. I think that he saw something (perhaps the tailies moving through the woods?) and got scared, but I don't think that it was Walt. Plus, he'd just given Shannon his word about believing her.

i think the best thing about this show is that you can't say anything is definite! if sayid starts telling other people that he saw walt, or keeps looking for him on his own, then i will believe it. until then, i think it just opens up a nice new can of guilt worms for sayid...

Do we actually know if Shannon dies? Yea, there was a gunshot and Sayid gets there in time to grab her as she is collapsing, but there was not any evidence of a lethal gunshot (unless I completely missed it?) I saw the small spatter of blood on her neck/chest as she collapses into Sayid's arms. I personally don't think she is dead. Is it possible that Ana-Lucia shot Walt and Shannon collapsed and passed out in fright?

He didn't see Walt.

Oh no Ana shot Shannon there was a clear but quick shot of the blood on her stomach. She was shot theres no doubt about it. And l truely believe by the look on Sayids face that he saw Walt.

It seemed from Sayid's reaction that he definitely saw Walt. But Sayid may very well think he had the same hallucination Shannon did, and that what they saw wasn't really Walt. Until he figures it out for sure, it's doubtful he'll tell anyone exactly WHAT he saw.

By the look on his face, after hearing the WV whisper voices again, he was very scared. The last time he heard those WV he ran for his life. I believe he most certainly saw Walt, and, I agree, Walt had to be drenched, standing in the monsoonal down pour. It might take a few episodes for him to get around telling Michael. Shannon, R.I.P. lostaway sista. Fatel gunshot to the abs. BuhByeee

Sayid definitely saw Walt and heard the whispers--everything in his expression and body language said that. Of course, since this is Lost, he will either a) be so busy trying to kill Ana-Lu that he forgets to mention anything about Walt for the next eight episodes, or b) be unable to kill Ana-Lu and sulk off into the jungle of mystery for the next three seasons (without mentioning Walt), or c) convince himself that his mind was playing tricks on him again.

He looked wet to me. At least he did when he was in the tent type thing.

I think Sayid definatly saw him. It was weird. This time Walt didn't just disapperar. It looked like he walked away.

Yeah, I'm not sure how he couldnt have seen him. based on exactly where he was looking and his body language. If the crazy whispers are being heard by him and Shannon at the same time, why not Walt?

My thoughts: He saw Walt, if he were just following her lead then why did he see Walt before she did? I don't think he'll tell anyone, or if he does it'll just be Jack or someone, since withholding the truth is the trend...he'll probably really weird out for a while cause let's face it, the woman he loved died in his arms.

Killing Shannon = BAD judgement call!! This second season hasn't been as good as the first in my opinion, and then to kill off one of the main characters just when you really started liking her? Bad move.

He saw Walt, it was a "ahh crap she was right" look in his eyes. I felt jipped though about how Shannon dies; trigger happy Ana thinking an "other" is storming them..... bah. Her death seems weak. But, Walt was saying, "SHHHHHHHHHHHH", so I guess she deserved it.

Watch Nadia be the shooter..haha.

Hmm... it seems to me like when the drippy backward-speaking walt appears (like in the tent, and in the woods in MoS,MoF) it may be some kind of astral/psychic projection of him. When he appeared to Shannon and Sayid when it was raining, it seemed like he was moving very quietly, much like the muddy-legged Others. We also didn't get any backward dialogue at this point... just Walt holding his finger to his lips going "shhhhhhhhhh".

Just my thoughts.

Another reason to think he saw Walt is the late response he had to Shannon running off. He sort of sat there like "wtf??" as she ran off and then snapped back into reality.

Another reason to think he saw Walt is the late response he had to Shannon running off. He sort of sat there like "wtf??" as she ran off and then snapped back into reality.

That's what I thought! I definitely think he saw Walt and was in shock for a moment before following Shannon.

Cause he thought Shannon was dreaming! BUT SHE WASN'T ... hehe.. I'm am sad I liked Shannon though. Maybe she won't die.

By the look on his face, after hearing the WV whisper voices again, he was very scared.
Yes, it totally froze him up. So much so that he didn't immediatly react when Shannon took off after Walt. That few seconds of delay might have cost her life.

Yes, it totally froze him up. So much so that he didn't immediatly react when Shannon took off after Walt. That few seconds of delay might have cost her life.

...or saved his?

Who knows...

I wonder if the tailenders have anyone that has had a similar "Walt" experience?
Maybe one of their absent passengers would appear to them? And lead them to their painful death.

Why is everyone assuming that Shannon was shot by Ana?

If you look at a closeup of her wound it looks like a knife slash (especially her shirt), maybe Ana was shooting at the attacker.

I thought when Sayid looked up Walt was already gone. I took the look on his face to mean.....**Crap my girl friend is nuts**

I do beleive he heard thw whispers, but I don't think he saw Walt.

I thought that Sayid saw Walt first (as he was hugging Shannon) and then she turned and saw him too. I also think he was so stunned that she was really seeing him that he froze for that spilt second after she took off.

I'm wondering if Shannon had "the sickness" and that's what caused her to see Walt. Now Sayid has "the sickness" as well, and will begin hallucinating and perhaps becoming a danger to the rest of the Lostaways?

I think it was a classic movie scene. Shannon stupidly shouts and runs after a vision that is telling her to be quiet. She runs, Sayid trips. Sayid is not a man to trip. The scene is now SET UP for Shannon to run into the bullet.

Cheap set-up. B horror movie.

i think that Sayid clearly saw Walt. His reactions were dead on. He did see something! And in the wake of Shannon's (presumed) demise, someone is needed to carry on the storyline of Walt being on the island and appearing before the castaways. If Shannon dies and Sayid did not see Walt, then that whole subplot just falls through and it is too spooky and cool an element to be dismissed.

On Entertainment Tonite before the episode aired it was teased that the two groups of castaways would NOT unite for several more weeks. I think that the scene with AL holding the gun was a cutaway scene to the tailies engaging something or someone else on another part of the island. I dont think that AL shot Shannon. Think about it. You never actually see the tailies and Sayid in the same frame. It might be scenes that are split or edited to represent two different events on two seperate parts of the island!

Sayid saw Walt first! As they heard the whispers he was turning his head to try to find the source of the sound, and then his eyes focused on on particular place. It was then that Shannon turned, looked in the same place and saw Walt. When she asked Sayid if he saw Walt, he nodded a "yes".

I soo agree with you sier...I noticed his hesitation too. Sayid definately saw Walt and heard the whispers and was a little slow processing it all.

So of course Shannon was able to run off before he could go after her, and of course, he fell down, which slowed him even more.

I could just see him bellowing to the sky, while he was holding her and looking at Ana
the camera cut away too soon, but I could really imagine him doing that in his agony over losing her.

I sticking by the god machine. Sayid is not a man to trip. The directors set-up the scene. The question is why.

Although it clearly appears he saw "something" and Walt was in that direction, I still think it is possible that Sayid was suprised/scared from hearing the whispers and then seeing nothing when Shannon asked him if he did see Walt. Sayid realized that Shannon was indeed hallucinating after he just expressed his love to her.

I'm thinking because of the way it ended, so many loose ends, We don't know for sure if she is dead. Cindy was "lost" Walt is "lost" and now Shannon is bleeding, from a supposed shot, anyone of the 3 could be the "Lost Forever" person..

I'm not believing she is dead, nor believing Ana shot her until I see it ;)

When Ethan and Boone died, the show ended with them being buried, no one was buried last night....

If he really did see Walt, why didn't he say his name or call out to him? Shannon runs off yelling, "Walt! Walt!", and yet all Sayid did was reply to Shannon, "yes." The fact that he never says Walt's name is interesting.

I think Sayid did see Walt. I also think he sees the tailenders, as though Ana Lucia shot Shannon. I think at this point, he might just assume that Walt is with them. Only we know that the Walt Shannon saw was not physically there. The explanation running through Sayid's head right now might be something along the lines of Ana saw Shannon chasing Walt and tried to protect him without thinking.

Now, once he realizes that Walt isn't really with them, will he say something? He might ask Michael what happened to Walt- meaning where did he just go, and Michael will respond with the story of what actually happened. Then Sayid will have to decide what to tell Mike about what he just saw. Just my thoughts.

..I'm sure he didn't call out to Walt because of utter and complete shock...he never really believed that Walt was running around the island somewhere making appearances...his practical, scientific mind isn't going to give much credence to that...Sayid was so sure it wasn't true, that when he did see it, it floored him...this isn't to say that he didn't believe that Shannon thinks she saw Walt....he knows about chasing after apparent phantoms...

I completely believe he saw Walt standing there for all the things mentioned here...he saw Walt first, he was looking directly at him, his reaction caused Shannon to look to see what had him spooked...he acknowledged to Shannon he indeed did see it, and imo that was a genuine wth is going on..and he was still dazed when she took off after Walt before even realizing she had left...

even though I don't think he ever believed Walt was around(before he saw him), it's interesting she told him about the bottle and the letters...wonder what he made of that?...perhaps revealed later...wonder how or if he tells Michael....

I believe that Sayid saw Walt as well, mostly becuase he was looking there first and Shannon picked up on where Walt was from him. Additionally, though, after the whole "I carry the gun all the time because I have someone to protect" speech, if Sayid had seen anything or anyone else in the jungle, that gun would've been out in a flash. Particularly after hearing the gunshot, I can't think of any reason why he doesn't have his gun pulled other than his having seen Walt and being entirely stunned.

I think he did see Walt. He focused and answered yes. It was not one of those "oh yeah sure I saw him you crazy .... now lets go back to my tent" type of Yeses. He definitely saw Walt. He did not say his name, because Walt was telling them to be quiet. Was he trying to warn them that AL is freaked out and will probably shoot first and ask questions later? Or is he telling them to be quiet because the others are near by...

yes it's different, I've always thought it was quiet, the Others are near...but is it actually that another group is approaching...here if that's the case, he moves right towards the other party...and he's gesturing to be quiet before moving off....does he want them, by being quiet, to be mistaken for the Others?...part of me is saying now how evil is this kid:) ....if it was meant as a trap, it still worked even though Shannon wasn't quiet in her approach.....

Not sure if someone else mentioned this. What if Sayid really saw Vincent? And not Walt? I know this has a lot of holes, but I really don't think he saw Walt. But I definitely could be way off here.

I think he saw Walt, because he is looking that direction and this causes Shannon to look (just rewatched the episode). Now, if he saw Vincent instead, that would be creepy! Heard/Read something about how Vincent could be channeling Walt, and Walt is really in a sensation depravation chamber and thats why he is always wet..... hrrmmm

I'm not sure if Sayid saw Walt or not. If he did, maybe he now has to lead the search for Walt since the vision talent has been "passed" to him - at least for as long as Shannon is out of commission - maybe for good. But - and here's the more interesting question - if he didn't, will he still say he did to honor Shannon's vision and prove to everybody she wasn't crazy runinng off into the jungle where she was promptly shot. That way he could blame Ana (or another of the tailees or even one of the "others") all he wants and doesn't have to feel guilty about not believing Shannon or watching out for her. Not that it was Sayid's fault, or Shannon's, of course. He will just need to ease his conscience or he'll fall apart. No one needs that.

OK, now you can tell me how crazy I sound! :rolleyes:

although i had some trouble getting the size bigger, i did a capture of the scene - slowed down some of the frames and added a "ring around walt walt" i want to make the whole thing larger - but i might just do a few frames - but maybe this will help
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/elpack/waltwalt2.gif

eta - i think from this that sayid did see walt - i wasn't sure.. but i'm a little more sure now.

Oh no Ana shot Shannon there was a clear but quick shot of the blood on her stomach. She was shot theres no doubt about it. And l truely believe by the look on Sayids face that he saw Walt.


There's plenty of doubt about whether Shannon was shot or not. There's a big thread on that subject somewhere here. And from some of the screencaps posted, it looks more like a puncture or stab/slash wound than it does a gunshot wound.

That said.....

I don't think Sayid actually saw "Walt", I think he saw something in that area (maybe it appeared as something else to Sayid) and he just agreed that he saw "Walt" because he wasn't sure exactly WHAT he did see.

I've never been a huge Shannon fan (love Maggie though) and I'm holding out hope that she doesn't die afterall. I felt the same way for Boone too. Didn't like the character much, but liked the actor quite a bit.

yeah seeing walt actually turn around and run off rather than just vanish really stuck out to me. Also when you break down the audio for that scene, when walt says 'Shhh' it isn't reversed like his previous appearances. Also, buried deep in the whipsers is an audio clip that sounds like walt saying, "he knows I can't run, but I can yell'. Again this voice is not reversed either. What I wonder is if walt was actually there, why did he need to run off? What makes him keep his distance?

I dont think Sayid saw Walt, i think he just said it to calm down Shannon and to shut her up about seeing Walt all the time.

Um, in the gif did i just some kind of flashlight?

Walt didn't so much run off as deliberatley step away. It reminded me of the way Jack's Dad (or image of his dad) casually walked away each time Jack grew nearer, one time leading the doc over a cliff.

In the confrentation about to ensue between AL and Sayid (assuming those two shots are from the same scene), it's going to be impossible for Sayid not to reveal to Michael that he saw Walt, given that Michael and Jin are bound to try and hold him back and demand to know why Shannon was running so hysterically through the jungle

Um, in the gif did i just some kind of flashlight?

BENOS, I kept playing that over and over agin as well. I thought that is was a flashlight. It's the light from the camers onto the rain droplets. There are more of them (like little light orbs) all around them if you look again. It's the rain reflection.

Every guy has agreed with a woman to appease her and avoid an argument, even if we think what she says is crazy, at some point...lol :)

Every gal has done the same thing!!!...lol:biggrin:

You said it, Mom. Love your screen name.