Not so sure we saw the shooter in tonight's episode. We heard a gunshot (from a handgun or from a high-powered rifle?); we saw the victim bloodied and stumbling around; and then we see someone aiming a gun, in a two-handed, straight-armed stance. . . not necessarily the position that person or gun would be in had it recently been fired.

We may be jumping to the too-obvious conclusion here.

And the shooter may still be out there.

Ana's gun had been fired. The slide was forward and now the gun is empty. It did kinda sound more like a rifle shot though.

Absolutely it sounded like a rifle shot. I was the first to say that Ana shot Shannon. But now I'm starting to think she didnt. What if she dry fired? The gun wouldnt make any sound then. I'm pretty sure that sounded like a rifle shot too. Someone posted that Danielle shot Shannon. But we dont know yet. If that was true it would play right into some things that I've heard thru the grapevine elsewhere.

Sounded like a rifle shot to me too. I instantly thought Danielle. Also Ana seems so handy with a gun, if she was shooting to kill why did she hit Shannon in the stomach. Seems she would have hit her higher. I know nothing about guns but....

spoiler] Did Ponce De Leon Kill Shannon? That seems way too obvious for clever TPTB. I heard the whispering others when Cindy vanished and Shannon was shot. Did Cindy pull an Ethan Rom (join the whispering others?). I dont think so, she was the flight attendant! (I don't believe in the Dharma conspiracy theories and Cindy appears in the next extended episode another 48 days and we will see she is no Ethan Rom) I think The Others abducted Cindy. There is a spoiler which says that Locke gets falsely accused-this must be a false spoiler (I read a false spoiler from Maggie Grace herself where she mentioned we would learn details of Shannons marriage in flashback-I didnt see a ring on her finger!) Ana as killer seems like circumstantial evidence to me, but which remaining female cast member would come to clear Anas character? It must be LIBBY! Got to wait two more weeks argh! Also, do you think Sayid really saw Walt (he seemed to reluctantly nod his head after telling Shannon "I love YOU" was that a fake "yes, dear" or genuine he saw it? Did he see a vision, real Walt, or nothing? And why did Vincent lead Shannon to Boone's grave? Was that foreshadowing Shannon's death or a plot device to get into the Shannon flashback? everything happens for a reason, im trying to sort out WHAT REALLY HAPPENED (whoi shot Shannon, what did Sayid see?) and for what REASON (why did the dog mislead Shannon? Were the 18 year old children drinking SCOTCH at the RUtherford wake?) [/spoiler]

As much as at first I thought people saying "did she really shoot her" was crazy, the more I thought about it....let's say thetailsection site WAS right and someone takes the blame in 8 and then at the end someone else comes forward to confess....so....AL takes blame and we all think she did it....then we find out in the last that it was....Kate? Danielle? I'm starting to think you guys are on to something!

Problem with that is though that no one could blame her if she still had that one bullet....it would be impossible to think she DID do it....so, I'm thinking thetailsection is full of it.

Man I'm so back and forth tonight...I need to go to bed.

Am I the only that that saw a muzzle flash behind sayid when the shot fired?

I kind of was thinking the same thing. I dunno, though. Maybe someone shot Shannon and Ana was just keeping her gaurd up and had her gun out. We'll see.

If that's the case, then Kristin's spoiler that one of the regular cast females did it has to be wrong. I can't imagine that Kate, Claire or Sun is anywhere near that place in the jungle. Danielle is only recurring, and Libby doesn't have a gun.

I do hope that it isn't Ana-Lucia, though, because this is otherwise too lame for words.

Cardie

Ana's gun had been fired. The slide was forward and now the gun is empty. It did kinda sound more like a rifle shot though.

If the gun only had one bullet in it and if the gun had been fired, why was she still aiming?

Awesome thought! Maybe she didn't fire the shot, but the look of the gun as she comes around indicates it fired the last round... Don't see why she would hear a shot then eject the round, and run with it in both hands in a ammo-less state...... Shooting her in the solar plexus (upper abdomen) wouldn't be where I would think a person trained with firearms would shoot however... She coulda slipped, etc... But, Shannons diaphragm woulda been ripped to shreds, and at the least she can't breath now, so she is dead a dead can be.

If the gun only had one bullet in it and if the gun had been fired, why was she still aiming?

Good , point. Although it could have been an accident and she could have been in shock and not have put the gun down yet. But that is a good point! I dunno we will have to wait and see.

Sounded like a rifle shot to me too. I instantly thought Danielle. Also Ana seems so handy with a gun, if she was shooting to kill why did she hit Shannon in the stomach. Seems she would have hit her higher. I know nothing about guns but....

This is exactly what I thought.

She still has the gun raised because whoever she thought she was running towards had no way of knowing she only had one bullet to start with. She was bluffing.

At first it seemed real "obvious" that Ana shot Shannon, but after seeing screen picts and rewatching it, Shannon's wounds look strange for a "gunshot" wound, and the expression on Ana's face shows no remorse that I can see. I know she's suppose to be a real "hard" character, but here expression almost seemed more battle ready, or "justified" as if she might have been possibly trying to defend Shannon. Sayid looks like he blames Ana. I don't know what to think. I guess I'll just have to wait and see. :)

I have to go back and rewatch it again because the first time i didnt notice it but the second time it sounded like a gunshot might have gone off at the same moment that Sayid hit the ground. Then the shot that we all heard happened and Sayid yelled out.
It was kind of like in Tombstone when Bill Paxton hit the pool ball, thunder struck, the window broke and the gun shot rang out all at the same moment.

what do you lot think of this?

me? no way thats AL'S gun!

(pic from twop forum)

http://home.mchsi.com/~capandhunny/wsb/media/973900/site1080.gif

If you download the "Shannon's Death" video at http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=388

you will hear two gunshots. The first is at 2:37 and the second is at 2:51. The first is a rifle shot, the second is a (Ana's?) pistol.

ioncewas... your link doesn't seem to work.

Thanks Raven. My mistake.

Correct link is:

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=NewDownloadsDate&selectdate=1131682410

If you download the "Shannon's Death" video at http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=388

you will hear two gunshots. The first is at 2:37 and the second is at 2:51. The first is a rifle shot, the second is a (Ana's?) pistol.


I'm hearing this "2 shot theory" a lot. No way is the noise at 2:51 a gunshot. It's Shannon falling to the wet ground...it's like a sloshing sound, like her knees "sloshing" into a puddle.

what do you lot think of this?

me? no way thats AL'S gun!

(pic from twop forum)

http://home.mchsi.com/~capandhunny/wsb/media/973900/site1080.gif

I can't tell if it's a gun or not, but it sure doesn't look like a gun being lowered from the two-handed stance that A-L was seen using.

Also -- and I'm only getting this from your clip, because I can't see it on TV -- can anyone make out what looks like longish, possibly blonde hair just to the right of the figure in the foreground, around shoulder/upper chest level?

As for the "second shot," though -- I also tend to think it's the sound of Sayid and Shannon falling to their knees.

I just realized that if the foreground figure IS Ana, then possibly what looks to me like "hair" might be Libby standing to A-L's right.

I really don't know at this point. I don't think this is going to be cut and dry. They are going to make us wait for the right answer. I did see Ana swallow hard after she see's__________?

First of all, Ana's gun is empty, that is a fact. She had one bullet left...either she fired it or cocked it with an empty clip (round was already chambered and she forgot so before she needed the gun she cocked it real quick and ejected the round)
We know this because the action on the gun is obviously open.
As for her aiming the empty gun...genereally after you fire the last shot, you do not lower the gun immeadiately because you are more focused on the target(victim in this case) than you are on the gun. This is natural, most people do it.
Thirdly, Yes it did sound like a rifle round being shot, but they probably just got a sound clip for a gun shot. Big woods, lots of echo, most gunshots will probably sound like that anyway.
However, when looking closely at the last part when shannon is stumbling back the wound appears to be on her front but there appears to be no exit wound. This would definitly make me think that it was a hand gun, 9mm most likely which i believe is what they had.
If it had been a rifle (with the execption of .22) I think the round would go straight threw easily. Average velocity on 9mm round is approx. 1000ft/s while the average velocity on a .223 round(most rifles of danielle's type) is 3000ft/s.

:dizzy: :shesaid: :hesaid:

If it had been a rifle (with the execption of .22) I think the round would go straight threw easily. Average velocity on 9mm round is approx. 1000ft/s while the average velocity on a .223 round(most rifles of danielle's type) is 3000ft/s.


Okay, obviously I know nothing about guns. So I'll just toss this one out for you to shoot down [heh], if necessary: Could the abdominal wound we see be the EXIT wound? In other words, could she have been shot in the back? I may be remembering this incorrectly but isn't the exit wound much larger than the entry wound?

Okay, obviously I know nothing about guns. So I'll just toss this one out for you to shoot down [heh], if necessary: Could the abdominal wound we see be the EXIT wound? In other words, could she have been shot in the back? I may be remembering this incorrectly but isn't the exit wound much larger than the entry wound?

Yes, you are correct, it could be an exit wound. But when i watched the video, there is like a split nanosecond where you can kind of see her back and there appears to be no damage. She would have had to been shot at an extremely akward angle to have the exit wound in her gut and the entrance wound not in her back.

Yes, you are correct, it could be an exit wound. But when i watched the video, there is like a split nanosecond where you can kind of see her back and there appears to be no damage. She would have had to been shot at an extremely akward angle to have the exit wound in her gut and the entrance wound not in her back.


Let's go to the videotape. . .

i see what you're talking about (the blonde colored stuff). it looks like to me that its ana lucia's walking stick or whatever it is that she holds around her left side.

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=775&pos=354

i just watched the scene, there's no way that the second sound is a second bullet

I'm with you on the Ana didn't shoot, but I don't think it was Danielle.

If you think about it, Claire would make more sense.

1- She was by the tent after Sayid put his gun down.

2- Charlie took the baby so she could go on a walk about the same time Shannon went looking for Walt.

They could always realize Ana's one bullet is still in there, then the following episodes would be filled with the mystery of who killed Shannon. Of course, we'll never really know what's going on until Wed. (if then).

:cool:

Jeannette

I'm with you on the Ana didn't shoot, but I don't think it was Danielle.

They could always realize Ana's one bullet is still in there, then the following episodes would be filled with the mystery of who killed Shannon. Of course, we'll never really know what's going on until Wed. (if then).

:cool:

Jeannette
Ana definetly fired her gun, the slide on the gun was foward, indicating the gun was out of ammo. Now who she shot, if anyone, that's the mystery. But she did shoot her <Sawyers> gun.

I re-evaluated the whole thing after seeing various screen caps, and I believe that...

...it definately was not Ana-Lucia that killed Shannon. I'm not sure she was even shot, more likely stabbed. The scene with Ana-Lucia and the scene with Shannon are on different parts of the island. The tailees heard thunder in the distance. It seems like Shannon and Sayid were already being rained on at that time. For all we know they could be miles apart or fifty feet over a hill from each other. I believe it is Danielle. She probably thought Shannon had the "sickness". Some people say it could be Jack, but I doubt it because Jack tends to treat "sick" people, not kill them. Duh.
Ana-Lucia shot something, but not Shannon.

This is my guess... after watching 20sec worth of clips for hours...

Click on me for a good time (http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/6513/snapshot200511131106214be.jpg) <---- a screencap from my videos below.

* In the scene where shannon is dead in Sayids arms, plus the killer... we can see a second person. Atleast the second persons hair. The killer stand in a way so we cant make out who or what it is. However the person looks like a female.
* The killer is wearing a tcrap, or something with sleeves anyways. Witch CLEARLY make ANA innocent of the killing.He/She dont appear to have a bag for a walking stick like ANA does either, ana's hang down to long... the killers look more like a piece of snarelike thing (dont know english word)... however its only divided like that on my picture on one frame in the movie.
* Since it CANT be ANA by any chance, there have to be someone else (duh), and since i think that someone have company by another one, i belive its Danielle and someone else, perhaps desmond. I belive she got shot by Danielle (not the one showing, and someone else stand infront of danielle with a knify thing.
* Alot of talk about one or two shots, who say they are so near so they would hear a gunshot from eachother anyways? For all we know the tailies can be 1 or 2 days walk away, and noway within hearing range from sayid.
* So what did ANA shoot at ? Probably Cindy. Mikaels reaction to a shot vincent wouldnt be like "oh..."

http://z11.zupload.com/download.php?file=getfile&filepath=21090 <-- Killer video with filter. 5Mb
http://z11.zupload.com/download.php?file=getfile&filepath=21097 <-- Killer video without filter. 7Mb

Both of these, the second person is showing, just abit harder in the unfiltered one. About one second into the clip

An easy media player to watch frame by frame is media player classic
http://www.free-codecs.com/Media_Player_Classic_download.htm
Right arrow = next frame...
Watch my clips close and you'll see for yourself ana didnt do crap to sayid.

When a cartridge is empty on a 9mm it stays locked back so that it can be ejected and a new cartridge can be inserted. Hense the gun was out of ammo. Also, the other person holding yet another gun in his left hand might help the theory of there being two shots fired, simotanioulsy. If indeed there were two shots fired. Don't know.

This is my guess... after watching 20sec worth of clips for hours...

* In the scene where shannon is dead in Sayids arms, plus the killer... we can see a second person. Atleast the second persons hair. The killer stand in a way so we cant make out who or what it is. However the person looks like a female.
* The killer is wearing a tcrap, or something with sleeves anyways. Witch CLEARLY make ANA innocent of the killing.He/She dont appear to have a bag for a walking stick like ANA does either, ana's hang down to long... the killers look more like a piece of snarelike thing (dont know english word)... however its only divided like that on my picture on one frame in the movie.


I'm not sure what clips you are looking at, but on my digital TIVO in super-slo-mo the scene with the perspective behind the 'shooter' shows a BARE arm (probably female looking at the musculature) at a distance of approximately 10-15 feet. In the preceeding frames (after Sayid looks up 'at the shooter') you see Ana-Lucia is dripping wet in the rain holding the gun in post-firing position. The viewers conclusion is inescapable that Ana shot the gun (probably, but not necessarily at Shannon). She then starts to drop her arms when the shot cuts away.
The 'thing' that is in the left hand looks distinctly like the barrel of a gun (remember that the barrel (round) is protruding beyond the slide (rectangular) since the slide is locked back). The implication is that she simply held the empty gun in her left hand when she dropped her arms.
All the Tail-enders are in the rain too, so I'm not sure where the idea that they are in a different location is coming from.
I do agree that the 'wound' as shown in each frame appears to be a gash rather than a bullet hole but that may just be bad makeup.
We, the viewers, are definitely supposed to believe that Ana shot Shannon by accident, and I think that is going to be exactly what happened because it will set up the situation for Episode 8, 'The Collision'. There's going to be hell to pay! Remember Boone...

Oldwiz