So we now know that Libby of the Tailies is a Psychologist... hmm, makes me think.

There is much debate about whether the pushing of the button is just a big psychology experiment... so what will happen when Libby learns about the Swan station?

Also, it seems like the muddy-legged Others have really shaken her... maybe even moreso than the other Tail survivors. Well, it seems this way to me at least. Wonder why.

well from some promo pics, there were several children, so perhaps a child of hers was taken also... perhaps tha's why she's relating to Michael so well...

I think she was either involved with Hurley because he was in a ward. Or she was Locke's Therapist. Just a thought.

well from some promo pics,

If they're promo pics for future episodes, I have no interest. Trying to stay as spoiler-free as possible. :ermm:

Or do you mean pics from next week's promo? Whatever, but anyway, yeah, Libby... psychologist... discuss!

I think she was either involved with Hurley because he was in a ward. Or she was Locke's Therapist. Just a thought.

Ooh, I hadn't thought of that yet... good call!

Was Libby the one who asked "Did you see the children?"

I think so.

But yea the reason I think Libby could be Locke's therapist is because when he was talking to Phone Helen she said you need a therapist then he said "I already have one!" And she hung up. And Hurley was in a Mental hospital. Didn't she say she worked at a ward?

I think she was either involved with Hurley because he was in a ward. Or she was Locke's Therapist. Just a thought.

That's a good connection and should be interesting to see how it pans out.

I sort of laughed outloud when Libby said she was a psychologist because I was thinking that so many people there need a psychologist to share all their secrets with, and then maybe someone can start making sense of it all haha.

I hope she sees the film (unless Jack or Locke decide to keep it a "secret" - like everything else) - I think she would have some ideas about the studies and what they all could possibly be doing there, and since she has some sort of experience with the "others" it might make more sense to her.

I think she was either involved with Hurley because he was in a ward. Or she was Locke's Therapist. Just a thought.

Excellent thought-You may very well have something there! If that's the case we should find out in two or three weeks...

So the Tailies are there for a purpose as well and have connections to the Lostaways? Anything's possible, yeah?

Libby asked about the kids but I don't think she's their mom.

awesome. Libby can set up a booth at the beach and have her own little clinic.:helps:

Even though she is a psychologist, without knowing the mechanics behind the button pushing, there's not much basis for her to conclude if this is some sort of experiment or if it is a necessary task. The only way for anyone to determine this is to figure out what exactly the task accomplishes. As far as providing therapy for everyone... she's in the same boat they're in :boat: but perhaps she can be an empathetic ear.

awesome. Libby can set up a booth at the beach and have her own little clinic.:helps:

Even though she is a psychologist, without knowing the mechanics behind the button pushing, there's not much basis for her to conclude if this is some sort of experiment or if it is a necessary task. The only way for anyone to determine this is to figure out what exactly the task accomplishes. As far as providing therapy for everyone... she's in the same boat they're in :boat: but perhaps she can be an empathetic ear.

Well Libby, unlike the rest of them (or so it seems) will know more information about the Bandura studies, Walden II, Milgram's Experiment and other studies like the Stanford Prison Experiment which all use human "participants" to see how long and what they will do to obey authority.

I think she was either involved with Hurley because he was in a ward. Or she was Locke's Therapist. Just a thought.
I like that thought...since they all have some kind of connection...perhaps she was both of them doctor.They just didnt know it...

Or she was Locke's Therapist. Just a thought.

that's what i thought!

We don't actually know that Libby is a crash survivor. She could have infiltrated the camp, Ethan style.

We know there were psychology experiments going on in Dharma, and now we have a psychologist...
Could she be a Dharma plant, helping to direct the Lostaways actions as they interact with the experiments?

Some people have also brought up that Libby may be the "American Girl" that Sun's potential husband was talking about...

Well Libby, unlike the rest of them (or so it seems) will know more information about the Bandura studies, Walden II, Milgram's Experiment and other studies like the Stanford Prison Experiment which all use human "participants" to see how long and what they will do to obey authority.
While I absolutely agree that she likely knows more about all these experiments and theoretical studies - the one factor that no one knows is the key element. Knowing the theories isn't going to tell them what pushing that button does. While she can theorize that it is just an experiment to see if they'll push the button, unless they know what if anything the button does, there's no way she or anyone can know if it is an experiment or if its some life sustaining task (which we all would likely believe to be false - which too could be the experiment LOL)
My only point is that without knowing the specific function - the cause and effect of pushing the button and what results or doesn't result from doing so - no one can say this is or is not an experiement.

Some people have also brought up that Libby may be the "American Girl" that Sun's potential husband was talking about...

I think Shannon was marrying him. why? He is rich, and she used people. 2. She said she was married.

I definitely think it makes Libby's character more interesting being a psychologist. It should be interesting to see if there are any links to other characters. Although, I would think that if she were Locke's therapist she might have noticed him getting on the plane in the airport. We don't know that she didn't, but if she did, I think she would've asked Michael if he'd seen him. I also think she could've seen Hurley on the plane, although for some reason, I'm picturing him running late getting on the plane.

Also, when she asked if they had seen the children, the way she said it sounded kind of odd. As if she was desperate to know about them. It let us know that they were definitely children Jin and Eko saw. The way she said it and the fact that Eko thought they needed to hide from them makes me believe that the children could be the most dangerous of "others".

While I absolutely agree that she likely knows more about all these experiments and theoretical studies - the one factor that no one knows is the key element. Knowing the theories isn't going to tell them what pushing that button does. While she can theorize that it is just an experiment to see if they'll push the button, unless they know what if anything the button does, there's no way she or anyone can know if it is an experiment or if its some life sustaining task (which we all would likely believe to be false - which too could be the experiment LOL)
My only point is that without knowing the specific function - the cause and effect of pushing the button and what results or doesn't result from doing so - no one can say this is or is not an experiement.

I know that she doesn't know the "key" element to make sense of everything, but I'm saying with her knowledge of psychology and probably sociology, she will be able to piece some things together and say, "hey this is a lot like, blah blah blah" whereas the other people may not have ever thought of those things, well except maybe the all knowing Locke ;) She also may have some information that could be helpful into explaining some of the elements of parapsychology and with some of her knowledge of the others and then some of the knowledge from the tape she may be able to have a few theories at least.

I like the ideas that she might have a child who was taken by the Others, might be Locke's therapist or might have something to do with Hurley. Wasn't Hurley and Locke's Mom at the same Psychiatric Facility??

If she set up shop on the Island she could retire quite comfortably!!!

If she is for real..lock her in the hatch with Charlie..NOW.

Then after he gets better it would be Sawyer's turn...

Then Jack...then Hurley..

etc etc etc.... ;)

with that one line to Sawyer (along with his comeback), Libby went from a background figure to a regular charactor whose backstory I think we'll see. She now has a role to play with the group at large, like Jack does as the doctor, Locke as the hunter, Sayid as the techie, Michael as the engineer or even Hurley as the comidian (and those are the characters everyone thinks are untouchable as far as killing off). With this group, with their emotional issues, a shrink is almost as vital. Here's hoping the writers make use of that skill and have her play off the many troubled minds in this cast.

I'm not buying the connection with Locke or Hurley. Noone else is that directly connceted aside from Boone and Shannon. Most have been slight overlapping or coincidences.

Before you jump, yes Jack and Desmond are directly connected but Desmond was not on the plane.

Did anyone suppose that the "others" took the tailies because they weren't meant to survive and will mess up whatever is going on?

Edited to add:

I personally want to see her get into a few people's heads. Like Sawyer or Locke. She could have a field day with this crew. If this were the real world she could retire in a year on what she could make working with these people. :biggrin:

Do we even know that Libby was telling the truth about being a psychologist?? I thought I had read something spoiler-ish prior to the start of the season that said
the Libby character was a compulsive liar.

Did that change somewhere? :confused:


Witchy

No...but its possible she could be both. Not unheard of but it would be a bit..ironic.

However most of the people already on the island are liars so she would fit right in!

If she is for real..lock her in the hatch with Charlie..NOW.

Then after he gets better it would be Sawyer's turn...

Then Jack...then Hurley..

etc etc etc.... ;)

No, Ana-Lucia first, or I'll shoot her.

:hypocrit:

Maybe she is their Ethan...

Hurley should back check the manifest to make sure...it sure seems convient she is a shrink of some kind...fits very well with this whole scenario..

Maybe she is their Ethan...

Hurley should back check the manifest to make sure...it sure seems convient she is a shrink of some kind...fits very well with this whole scenario..

Hmm... yeah, I hope they pay attention to details when the original survivors finally meet up with the Tailies. If they don't check the manifest, I'm gonna be mad. Another Ethan-like plant could really do some damage...

some good theories on Libby. Sometimes I think that the writers should hold back on some of the coincidences or cross references. It would be cool if she was a therapist to someone on the island but eventually the audience is just gonna throw their arms up and say "come on!".

I like the coincidences (as they are a part of the master plan) but shouldn't border on the line of non-believable. So far most of the "coincidences" have been subtle. Hurley sings a Drive Shaft song, Hurley on tv at a house in Japan when Jin attacks that man, Sawyer at a bar having a pint with Jack's dad and the like. I dont think that they should press their luck by making too many strong connections with one another.

But I do especially look forward to the day when Locke realizes that he works for Hurley. Some of these little background parts are still interesting and you wonder when/if the lostaways will come to realize the people around them. For instance, wouldnt it be a tough moment for Jack to realize that he is responsible for Shannon's fathers death and, consequently, hers...and Boone's (since he had to fly to Australia to save her from her wild ways after her father died)? I like the play on the characters pasts but I would also like to see some closure and some revelations. Hurley OWNS Locke. I mean damn thats funny...and neither of them even know it!

Libby, compulsive liar or not, could stand to be a significant part of the new cast. I absolutely doubt that she is a "plant" of any sort. While she could be a liar, she is genuinely concerned. Her worrying about the children and her brief talk to Sawyer make me feel that she is as scared as everyone else and that she is for real...

Do we even know that Libby was telling the truth about being a psychologist?? I thought I had read something spoiler-ish prior to the start of the season that said
the Libby character was a compulsive liar.

Did that change somewhere? :confused:


Witchy


I remember reading that too. That's why I'm not too sure about this psychologist thing!
Still - it would be so cool if she WAS Locke's theropist!

I sort of laughed outloud when Libby said she was a psychologist because I was thinking that so many people there need a psychologist to share all their secrets with, and then maybe someone can start making sense of it all haha.

I hope she sees the film (unless Jack or Locke decide to keep it a "secret" - like everything else) - I think she would have some ideas about the studies and what they all could possibly be doing there, and since she has some sort of experience with the "others" it might make more sense to her.


My aunt believes that everything that is going on is a delusion of someone in a mental hospital and maybe all these Losties are mental patients (the doctor, drug addict, psychologist, Hurly, depressed boy whose mother died, army vet, ex-com, Rose the nice nurse...). Now that we have aqn actual clinical psych. this may be a possibility.

My aunt believes that everything that is going on is a delusion of someone in a mental hospital and maybe all these Losties are mental patients (the doctor, drug addict, psychologist, Hurly, depressed boy whose mother died, army vet, ex-com, Rose the nice nurse...). Now that we have aqn actual clinical psych. this may be a possibility.

I can see where your Aunt is coming from, but I hope it isn't because that will be the worst ending/storyline ever. I think it is very plausible for something like this to be actually happening in the world, we don't even know what the government conceals underground and in the mountains of our own country, so how would we know what is being concealed on a island in the Pacific. Planes go crashing all the time and are never recovered, then there is the Bermuda Triangle - so I think the writers were trying to play off of that when writing the show, but that is how I see things lol.

My aunt believes that everything that is going on is a delusion of someone in a mental hospital and maybe all these Losties are mental patients (the doctor, drug addict, psychologist, Hurly, depressed boy whose mother died, army vet, ex-com, Rose the nice nurse...). Now that we have aqn actual clinical psych. this may be a possibility.

That was kind of how St Elsewhere ended. It was all in the mind of an autistic child. Pretty funny at the time but it has been done.

I think our folks are a bit more imaginative and will come up with something new.