TPTB might be fooling with our heads... Was there actually one frame where the tailies and Sayid and Shannon can be seen? Anybody have a screencap?

If there is, it's a shot with Sayid & Shannon on the ground and the back of Ana. If you think they weren't all together, then what might it be? Ana definitely shot something and looks sorry for it. And Sayid is giving someone the evil eye because he's pissed off.

TPTB might be fooling with our heads... Was there actually one frame where the tailies and Sayid and Shannon can be seen? Anybody have a screencap?

whoa ... I think I see where you're headed with that thought and that would a cool/sneaky thing for TPTB to do *ponders*

everything went by so fast i guess, and i didnt catch that it was ana's back, but i did recall the camera focusing on the tailies and then shannon and sayid... anyway, i just wanted to share my thoughts... thanks :) and no need for sarcasm wildjinx

everything went by so fast i guess, and i didnt catch that it was ana's back, but i did recall the camera focusing on the tailies and then shannon and sayid... anyway, i just wanted to share my thoughts... thanks :) and no need for sarcasm wildjinx

wha? :confused: I wasn't being sarcastic! I was serious! It would be a neat twist it if turned out that they were two groups looking at something different, but leading us to believe they were looking at each other ...

oh sorry.... its late and ive been switching boards... well, i guess the theory doesnt hold up if there was a frame with all of them in it, but the question still remains, who shot shannon??? im going to say kate...

Lol, okay ... I was just confused ... *sniffle sniffle* I couldn't figure out why you thought I was being sarcastic ....

I didn't tape the episode :doh: ... has it been confirmed that all of them are in the same shot? Or are we seeing the back of "someone" and just assuming it's Ana?

Ana is right handed.....

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=775&pos=828

Killer is left handed.....

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=775&pos=830

good catch dylan_1200. the killer looks like a male as well. maybe desmond???

well I think we should be finding out who is left handed....and I thought exactly the same...it kinda looked male more than female.

Ok, so I do remember a Sayid/Shannon and back of someone shot... but that doesn't look like Ana. Even though she's muscular and sleeveless as is the killer - the arms don't match up. The killer looks male to me too - partly the stance, partly the muscular structure in the arm. I'll have to watch this again....

Could Ana and her group have witnessed the killing??

All great questions! I'm waiting for my high def version of this episode and cant wait to come home from work so i can watch this - hopefully by then people will have pointed out lots of things to look for. It does look like each group is looking at something.. but i'm not sure if its at each other - and that arm doesn't look like it belongs to rambina.. <thought bubble> maybe the arm goes with the legs and feet we saw in last weeks ep </thought bubble>

Okay, now you're really trying too hard. Does EVERYTHING have to be a mystery? It's obviously Ana-Lucia who shoots Shannon.

Ana probably shot Desmond lol...ooopps....Michael & Jin wouldnt know who the heck he was and would be just as surprised as tailies I guess. Desmond would probably be that far away from the hatch by now if the tailies are still a distance from the camp.

AL shot Cindy... so now it isnt on Mr Eko's consiance (spelling lol )

Ana is right handed.....

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=775&pos=828

Killer is left handed.....

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=775&pos=830
It's hard to tell and I can't provide a decent screen-cap but in the 2nd photo provided by dylan_1200, I do not believe that it is a gun in the left hand of the person's back we see. I believe that it is either Ana-Lucia's make-shift tool that she wears on her left side or Eko holding a tool in his left hand. I went through frame by frame and you can see the fuzz from the twine for a fraction of a second beyond the arm we see.

Ana-Lucia definitley fired a round from the pistol because when they show it in her hand, you can tell that the slide is open as if it fired it's last round (pardon me for not knowing the correct terminology for weapons), and is waiting for a new clip. Who she fired on is not clear but I do believe that she is the one that shot Shannon.

I can almost agree with you on the fact it may not be a gun in the hand Griz....but with your other 2 points: It cant be eko as you would see the sleeve of his shirt (it comes down to his elbow) and Ana would had to have had time from the shock to drop the gun to her right side and pull out a weapon with her left hand. With Ana looking so guilty I dont see why she would then pull her weapon out considering.

Ana-Lucia did not shoot Shannon.
Shannon turns towards Sayid and before she does that she is looking in the direction of the shooter.
When Ana-Lucia and the gang come up they apporach from a different direction than the shooter was in.
Ana-Lucia just has the gun drawn because she heard the Others, she is pointing it that way because she heard the shot.
I don't know who killed Shannon but it was not Ana-Lucia.

Ana is right handed.....

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=775&pos=828

Killer is left handed.....

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=775&pos=830

AWESOME find...my question though is that other sites talk about a female killing Shannon. but with these pictures its stated other wise. Unless, and i quote from Austin Powers....Its a Man baby :biggrin:

To be honest I am almost about to sit down and watch it for the first time...I just like to see a few pics and posts beforehand because you can generally see things you normally wouldnt....kinda like spellchecking by reading something backwards.
I noticed everyone debating the killer and from just looking at the pics without sound its a gimme the shooter in the screencap -

a) does not look feminine
b) is left handed
c) has a stance that seems more threatening and purposeful

Just observations...I guess combine this with the other debatable parts and we have something interesting.

Maybe its a fembot lol

As far as the initial question w/the thread - I don't recall there being 1 shot where you saw everyone. I have looked through all of the screen shots on lost media and didn't find anything either.

Another thing I noticed (and had my brother in law, who is a gun collector, look at) if you look at AL's gun it appears that she did in fact fire the gun. We lightened the picture a lot so you can clearly see it. I don't know if she is the one that actually shot Shannon because of the other spoilers out there stating

future episodes will reveal the true killer

It's possible that AL shot at someone else and just appears to be the killer, but what are the chances of 2 guns firing simultaneously to sound as if there was 1 shot? That would be too strange. I read another post that said Shannon's wound looks more like a knife wound than from a gun shot. It does look awfully suspicious for a gun shot wound, so it could be possible that AL shot at the person stabbing Shannon. Anything is possible.

I read another post that said Shannon's wound looks more like a knife wound than from a gun shot....anything is possible w/this show.

Now THAT makes a lot of sense. If the object in the mysterious killers hand is in fact a knife and the writers did mention a gruesome death then that solves my dilemma over the handle not looking like a gun handle.

Im gonna have to grab my popcorn and watch the show.

It's possible that AL shot at someone else and just appears to be the killer, but what are the chances of 2 guns firing simultaneously to sound as if there was 1 shot?

I can think of three explanations to that;
1) Perhaps S/S were not so close to the tailies as the pics leads us to believe
2) There was only one shot, and Shannon was killed some other way (remember Goodwin and the pole in his chest.....)
3) One of the guns had a silencer (is that the correct word?). If I´m not mistaken there were actually rifles with silencers on in the Hatch.... Which would suggest that the real killer is someone knowing this and that number isn´t that great (Desmund, Locke, Sayid, Jack, Kate and possibly Hurley and Rose).......

Does anyone else think that if the killer is not Ana, it could be setting up that
Walt
is the killer like some people have speculated?

I think the real killer is one of them I mentioned above, well except Sayid naturally since he was on the scene......

I didn't feel like Jin made any indication that he recognized Shannon/Sayid right away. It's not like he shouted out their names in surprise or anything. So that might indicate that both groups are looking at different things.

I thought that the camera moved quickly from Shannon and Sayid to the horrified tailies; even if they never occupied the same shot, the pan showed that they were in fact in the same place and looking at each other. However, Sayid isn't there when the shot is fired, so Ana Lucia could have shot at someone else. It won't be any big mystery to exonerate her if that's the case, since she had plenty of witnesses with her.

Often when they shoot for television, they shoot everything from one point of view at one time. So the reason the arm does not look like A-L's might be because they had a stunt double stand in for the shot from her POV.

If there is another killer, then I think s/he has already fled into the jungle by the time Sayid gets there.

Cardie

Well...of those listed who knew about the silenced weapon, I think that you can rule out Hurley. He jsut doesnt seem to be the type to be tramping around the jungle iwth a gun. And i think the writers would definitely not want to taint one of their more interesting characters...

But I love this theory about the spit screenshots. That had not occured to me until I saw this thread! Perhaps AAL shot Cindy and Desmond shot or stabbed Shannon. Either way I think that Shannon is a goner. Last nite's episode almost seemed to be directed towards wrapping up her involvement in the series.

Bummer for Sayid. Its about someone got some on the island. But he truly cared for her and her believed in her. And that was all she wanted...

From the moment i saw AL holding the gun i thought something was up, Lost is never this obvious, pointing right at Al and saying Look at me I'm the killer. Then i realized there was never 1 shot establishing where both Shannon & Sayid and the tailies were, just the cryptic back shot of the killer from S&S perspective...also the killer was standing more mencingly, and yep in left handed, AL was in a defensive stance and right handed as mentioned. Also a small calibur bullet like from AL's gun at close range woudn't produce the amount or pattern of blood splattered all over Shannon in such a short timespan before Sayid found her...hmmm

i think analucia may have shot vinc3nt

Three things about this:

First, this sounds terrifyingly similar to last year's debate about who hit Sayid over the head in the meadow. About 200 people posted it "sounded like a female". Then we found out it was Locke. So we should be careful about holding TPTB too closely to our sensory sensitivities.

Second, it's very possible that the two groups were filmed at different times during the shooting schedule. Continuity on this show is usually pretty good, but it's just possible that, if the two groups (tailies and Shannon/Sayid) were filmed at different times, nobody would have caught the left hand-right hand thing. Shooting on site often requires crews to work with different groups at different times. And if Maggie or Naveen had outside engagements, it makes even more sense that they'd shoot the tailies on a completely different day than the Shannon/Sayid scenes.

Third, my gut instinct is that the guy who is writing the Lost tie-in mystery book shot Shannon, just so he could have a crime to write about. j/k

I'm still sticking with my re-incarnated Boone killed Shannon theory, but if they never met up, maybe Ana-Lucia had just used her last bullet to put a dying Cindy out of her misery?

Second, it's very possible that the two groups were filmed at different times during the shooting schedule. Continuity on this show is usually pretty good, but it's just possible that, if the two groups (tailies and Shannon/Sayid) were filmed at different times, nobody would have caught the left hand-right hand thing. Shooting on site often requires crews to work with different groups at different times. And if Maggie or Naveen had outside engagements, it makes even more sense that they'd shoot the tailies on a completely different day than the Shannon/Sayid scenes.


I agree that it could be as simple as the two groups being filmed at different times, but I think that what we saw was some great editing to make us think that they're looking at each other, when in fact, they're each looking at something completely unrelated.

I think that Ana did shoot at somebody/something but it wasn't Shannon. The fact that we don't actually see both groups in the same shot is implies to me that they're not in the same area at the same time.

Okay, now you're really trying too hard. Does EVERYTHING have to be a mystery? It's obviously Ana-Lucia who shoots Shannon.

I don't think so....they never actually say that, and it seems too easy, too pat for her to actually have done that. And anyway, why would she? Even if she thought it was the Others, she did say that a bullet wouldn't stop them.


What if Ana shot CINDY?!

A two items that point to Ana Lucia.

I'm a rightie and have fired a weapon. The two handed grip Ana Lucia uses would "drop" to the left were she to lower the weapon as it appears she has done. It's a dark photo but it appears both hands are still on the weapon.

Ana Lucia said at one point in the episode that one gun and one bullet would not stop the OTHERS. They did not have any weapons before Sawyer, Mike, and Jin showed up so Cindy could not have been armed.

Just my humble opinions.

This is an interesting thread.
I thought this whole scene was way too obvious and cliche for the likes of the Lost writing team. I expected to be surprized by who the killer was. In retrospect, they did tell us
We would see who dies this ep, but wouldn't know the killer for a few more eps. And that the wrong person would be blamed. I assumed the characters would blame the wrong person, but maybe it's us blaming the wrong person.
With the show being split between scenes of the orig Lost group, the tailies and the flashbacks, it may be that they have empoyed a new technique of overlapping two scenes into one. They are showing us Shannon getting shot by an unknown killer at the same time AL is shooting someone else at a different location.
I would have expected Jin or Michael to rush forward with "OMG it's Shannon!!" or something to that effect, but they didn't.
I think they want us to continue hating AL till we see her backstory and understand what her previous days on the island were like. Keeping in mind that
we will veer away from this storyline to explore the other 48 days of the tailies, and the AL backstory next week, they can drag this "who shot Shannon" thing out for a while longer till we warm to AL. The next episode may end where this one left off, with us seeing who she really shot at the end, or the following week.

When the promo's told us this is the show we would be talking about for weeks, I was a little disappointed afterwards with the uncustomary predictibility of it. I felt there was nothing really to even discuss about it. This thread opens up a whole new can of worms.

[and i though i was going crazy thinking that the fancy editing might be a trick. I gues in the 'lage you'll find atleast one person that agrees with you...

yes, i think it is correct to assume that TPTB want us to think that Ana-Lucia is the killer... especially for those people who are spoiler-free, but for those who do want to get spoiled,

the synopses of the upcoming episodes do say that the real killer will be revealed...

so for now, I'm ruling AL out as Shannon's killer... that would just be too easy... LOST never gives straight answers, why would they start now?

I think we should all also remember the very start of this season with, who we presume was desmond, in the hatch going about his daily business- it wasnt until a little later that lots of people started to speculate that it wasnt all in fact a sequence, but rather a flashback of sorts blended to the present. We could be seeing a similar thing here, not a flashback exactly, but 2 different points of view for the same incident- more the writers trying to confuse us.
*speculation* It 'could' be that Ana Lucia had the gun drawn because as we know the others were around and the tailies were a little panicked. Sayid didnt see who shot Shannon, though when he saw Ana Lucia come out from the same general direction he put 2 and 2 together. And as such the guilty look on Ana Lucias face could be more a look of 'oh crap- i know how this looks'. Time will tell for sure, but i reccon Ana Lucia is going to fry for this one way or another. I guess unless she was bluffing, if she had fired the last bullet why would the gun still be drawn?

My 2 cents

If the two groups were close enough for AL to shoot Shannon then I think the tailies would have heard Shannon yelling "Walt! Walt" while she was running through the jungle.

My 2 cents

If the two groups were close enough for AL to shoot Shannon then I think the tailies would have heard Shannon yelling "Walt! Walt" while she was running through the jungle.

Since Ana knows that the Others have Walt, that might have given her more reason, not less, to shoot Shannon.

Cardie

I would have expected Jin or Michael to rush forward with "OMG it's Shannon!!" or something to that effect, but they didn't.
I thought the same thing. When Michael didn't say anything like "Sayid!" or acknowledge that he heard a familiar voice yelling, "Walt! Walt!' and 'Shannon!, Shannon!', I just found that odd. As for Jin not really saying anything, that didn't surprise me. His grasp of words is very limited now. I suppose he could have said Sayid's or Shannon's name but I think I'd hear it from Michael first.

Since Ana knows that the Others have Walt, that might have given her more reason, not less, to shoot Shannon.

Cardie Point taken however, Michael and Jin would have/might have reacted. Of course I realize that this all takes place in a short time but Shannon was running around for a while before the fatal scene.