View Full Version : Ana Lucia - will we love her after this episode?
mommamia 11-16-2005, 04:07 PM I'm wondering if they tell us the story of the tailies tonight, will we end up understanding why Ana Lucia is so aggressive and really love her.
Kinda like Sawyer. People hated him at first, and after seeing what he'd been through, we all understood him and loved him...:kiss:
elfdream 11-16-2005, 04:12 PM I don't love Sawyer. I understand him a little better but he still annoys me as much as ever. ;)
I never had much of a problem with Ana so I doubt anything will change all that much for me. I do hope we find out why she is the way she is though...
pacejunkie 11-16-2005, 04:20 PM I don't think they intend to cover that tonight. We should hopefully see her in a different light after next week's "Collision". I'll like her a little more as soon as she stops beating people up and acting all butch.
Cassandra 11-16-2005, 04:28 PM think they have made SUCH a big miscalculation with A-Lu. (And I am one of the few who don't hate her, but it's certainly obvious why so many do.) Sawyer was introduced as an obnoxious racist/sexist bastard, yes, but he was given a few redeeming characteristics right from the start--his bravery and his humor. And then he was falsely accused and we heard his tragic backstory, which started to turn him around for many people. He then proved helpful to the group (giving up the manifest) and showed character by forgiving Sayid. All these things made it possible to like him BEFORE we found out that he had cold-bloodedly killed Frank the Shrimp Guy. Who was someone we didn't give a damn about anyway.
In Ana's case, she comes on as an obnoxious bully who beats up on a popular character, Sawyer, when he's down. She has virtually no soft moments. And her next major action is to kill someone we've been invested in for a year (whether we like her or not), one involved in a fairly popular romance at that. Added to that, the writers have stupidly confirmed that Shannon's death was for NO OTHER PURPOSE than to serve the Ana Lucia character--that breeds fanbase resentment right there.
It's going to take about three times the sob story that Sawyer had to turn people back to A-Lu and I frankly don't think that Lost can pull it off.
We shall see.
carla_kolchak 11-16-2005, 04:38 PM think they have made SUCH a big miscalculation with A-Lu. (And I am one of the few who don't hate her, but it's certainly obvious why so many do.) Sawyer was introduced as an obnoxious racist/sexist model student, yes, but he was given a few redeeming characteristics right from the start--his bravery and his humor. And then he was falsely accused and we heard his tragic backstory, which started to turn him around for many people. He then proved helpful to the group (giving up the manifest) and showed character by forgiving Sayid. All these things made it possible to like him BEFORE we found out that he had cold-bloodedly killed Frank the Shrimp Guy. Who was someone we didn't give a damn about anyway.
In Ana's case, she comes on as an obnoxious bully who beats up on a popular character, Sawyer, when he's down. She has virtually no soft moments. And her next major action is to kill someone we've been invested in for a year (whether we like her or not), one involved in a fairly popular romance at that. Added to that, the writers have stupidly confirmed that Shannon's death was for NO OTHER PURPOSE than to serve the Ana Lucia character--that breeds fanbase resentment right there.
It's going to take about three times the sob story that Sawyer had to turn people back to A-Lu and I frankly don't think that Lost can pull it off.
We shall see.
Plus, there are those unworldly teeth of hers... *shiver* I swear she must be an Osmond with those perfectly huge chiclets of hers!
BTD Greg 11-16-2005, 04:43 PM Hey, she's already fine by me. After all, she bumped off my least favorite character.
Dino 23F 11-16-2005, 04:46 PM i cant stand her so far and i dont see that changing soon. and the people she has wronged are the least likeable. sawyer and shannon, now dont get me wrong i think those are great characters, at first i didnt think so but that was different than the case now with ana, im always yelling at the tv when shes on it
rocusman 11-16-2005, 04:52 PM I, for one, welcome our new butch latina overlord.
Am I the only one who thinks she's kind of hot? And she only gets points in my book for whacking Shannon the whiner.
Mrs_Black 11-16-2005, 05:07 PM I agree with you. I start liking Ana Lucia when she started bulling Sawyer. I though that was so funny!! "He found his match"!!! that´s what i though.... but as the series goes on... Ana lucia is starting to piss me off. Ah come on, beating up a guy who´s being shot..
The same goes for Jack. How many times are we gonna see him crying in the Jungle? I know he´s the favourite of lots of people, but come on... stop crying or Ana will beat you up for cry baby!!!
BTD Greg 11-16-2005, 05:13 PM Am I the only one who thinks she's kind of hot? And she only gets points in my book for whacking Shannon the whiner.
You and I seem to be on the same page. How can you *not* like Michelle Rodriguez?
If we've learned anything, it's that these writers believe in dynamic characters. Notice how Sawyer got more loveable as Season 1 went on, but Jack got more and more annoying (i.e., putting a gun on Desmond for no reason, going psycho on Locke). Heck, it won't take much for me to start liking Ana-Lucia more than I like Jack.
misti_is_lost 11-16-2005, 05:31 PM How does that saying go? "there's no such thing as bad publicity"?????
Well, if that is true, looks like TPTB are getting their wish.... here we are talking about her.:)
I don't love Sawyer. I understand him a little better but he still annoys me as much as ever.
My sentiments exactly. Even though you've been through hell you don't have to be a witch to everyone, especially some poor guy with a bullet in his shoulder.
We shall see though.
Monsoon_Season 11-16-2005, 06:11 PM I'm just as curious to see what this episode does to our perceptions of Eko. He's pretty much universally liked right now. But what if there's a darker side shown tonight just as AL is humanized.
Also, you think we might actually get through an episode without any flashbacks?
rocusman 11-16-2005, 06:22 PM Maybe it's just me, but a darker side is not necessarily a bad thing. And I already like Ana better than Jack just because he seems very much to be a one-dimensional do-gooder hero type. I find Locke, Jin/Sun, and Sawyer to be the most compelling, and am definitely looking forward to hearing more about Eko.
LostPack 11-16-2005, 06:24 PM Although I think I have more understanding of what the tailies have been through which I can't say because it is a spoiler.. I don't think anything will change my overall view of the character. There just wasn't a need to be so brutal, forceful and commanding. Don't speak unless she says its ok.. if she says run, you run... had she taken a few seconds to explain that - fine. it may well be due to the way it was written - to make us wonder what happened to her - but because she didn't even try to explain why she was acting the way she did, i can't go back and trust her or like her.
Aristide_Torchia 11-16-2005, 06:43 PM I, for one, welcome our new butch latina overlord.
Am I the only one who thinks she's kind of hot? And she only gets points in my book for whacking Shannon the whiner.
Right On! She's hot and Im even frikin gay! I personally have always loved strong female characters and A-Lu takes no shit from anybody, I admire her for that. She is a survivor and not a victim. I remain optimistic that when we get her story we will understand her and like her way more than we ever did with Shannon.
Heidi 11-16-2005, 06:49 PM I'm counting on TPTB showing us why Ana Lucia is the way that she is; I need a better understanding of this character and a reason to like her. Having said that, although I might understand her better, that doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to like her any better.
corvin12xu 11-16-2005, 07:05 PM I'm just as curious to see what this episode does to our perceptions of Eko. He's pretty much universally liked right now. But what if there's a darker side shown tonight just as AL is humanized.
Also, you think we might actually get through an episode without any flashbacks?
Um, you do realize that technically the whole episode is one big flashback right?
Fujidust 11-16-2005, 07:15 PM How boring would Lost be is we liked everyone on it? Everyone would play nice and get along. Locke and Jack could become blood brothers even!! Instead of calling it "Lost" we could call it "Monahan's Island". I dont like A.L. and I like the fact that I dont like A.L. Chances are in a group of 55 or so castaways there are going to be 5 or so people that are incredible, 5 people that are scum, and the rest are just fillers (boring but necessary). She is one of the scums that makes things interesting.
alicou22 11-16-2005, 08:23 PM I agree with you 100% fujidust...she's the character I love to hate. I honestly hope they keep her that way....rather than showing us that she's really warm & cuddly deep down inside.
PuraVida 11-17-2005, 12:18 AM Ana Lucia is so far the most one-dimensional character on the show. The "I am woman, hear me roar" routine got old after two episodes. She beats up anything or anyone that gets in her way - come on! How about some variety in the character. Surely there's compassion in there somewhere.
Ghost963 11-17-2005, 12:25 AM I dunno, she kinda grew on me in this one... I mean, she's a nice person obviously; I just think that she just got bit by the 'survival' bug a little harder than everyone else.
Anyone else seeing a potential head-butting to end all others between Ana and Kate?
Aurora10 11-17-2005, 12:40 AM Everything before meeting Jin, Sawyer, and Michael, she was fine with me. Ana didn't get on my nerves, which is surprising! She completely turned around to the point of not liking her AT ALL once those three came. I'm sorry but I hate her character and nothing can really change my attitude on her.
Michelle Friday 11-17-2005, 12:44 AM I liked Sawyer from the get go, when he is well again I don't think Ana will be able
to bully him. He was near death when she reigned supreme over him.
I was glad she took out Goodwin.
But, someone better disarm her or she'll end up shooting every one in camp! She
not only shot Shannon, but she shot Sayid, too! That gives her 2 kills, one
maimed and one assault. The kid has to get her head on straight before she
takes out the whole camp.
Once she meets Claire and sees Aaron, Charlie might lose his great protector
role to her! I think she'd do a better job of it than him any way!;)
conwaym2003 11-17-2005, 12:56 AM I cant stand her because I think she was cause too much conflict with the show. Yes she was more likeable this episode, but the character in general is too angry and trigger happy for me.
mforrest28 11-17-2005, 02:18 AM More likeable compared to what? I hated her just as much this episode. She is so aggressive, it just bugs. Who died and put her in charge? She's worse than Jack. I found her utterly unsympathetic, obnoxious, and annoying. And her teeth are soooo distracting.
I like michelles charecter reminds me of her charecter in S.W.A.T. and it seems she was in the lapd with this charecter , and Im not all that upset that she killed Shannon someone had to do it why did they wait so long, was hopin it was episode 3 of season 1. nomatter how much they changed shannons charecter she still was a annoying bitch and I miss boone more anyway. so leave ana alone lol
sbdj2m 11-17-2005, 02:50 AM I found a new respect for her, but I still don't like her.
EyeAmLost 11-17-2005, 02:52 AM all this bashing ruins Lost for me. stop it already.
violettfem 11-17-2005, 10:34 AM think they have made SUCH a big miscalculation with A-Lu. (And I am one of the few who don't hate her, but it's certainly obvious why so many do.) Sawyer was introduced as an obnoxious racist/sexist model student, yes, but he was given a few redeeming characteristics right from the start--his bravery and his humor. And then he was falsely accused and we heard his tragic backstory, which started to turn him around for many people. He then proved helpful to the group (giving up the manifest) and showed character by forgiving Sayid. All these things made it possible to like him BEFORE we found out that he had cold-bloodedly killed Frank the Shrimp Guy. Who was someone we didn't give a damn about anyway.
In Ana's case, she comes on as an obnoxious bully who beats up on a popular character, Sawyer, when he's down. She has virtually no soft moments. And her next major action is to kill someone we've been invested in for a year (whether we like her or not), one involved in a fairly popular romance at that. Added to that, the writers have stupidly confirmed that Shannon's death was for NO OTHER PURPOSE than to serve the Ana Lucia character--that breeds fanbase resentment right there.
It's going to take about three times the sob story that Sawyer had to turn people back to A-Lu and I frankly don't think that Lost can pull it off.
We shall see.
Neither can her lousy, stereotypical acting skills.
addicted2much 11-17-2005, 10:35 AM I still need more from Ana, if I am gonna like her or even tolerate her.
solonicl 11-17-2005, 11:20 AM I hated AL before this epi, now I really like her. I like the way she takes charge and is trying to *do* something (e.g., getting answers out of Nathan). It's a refreshing change from our meandering, uninterested Lostaways.
Michelle Friday 11-17-2005, 11:34 AM The lostaway camp looks like a resort compared to what the tailies had. The Ana
character is so much more dominant and in your face than any other character,
like Ana has taken over the show and is the star now and every thing will
revolve around that character. Not sure if that is a good thing. The rest of the
group needs to have some dynamic too or they will become second banana
to this character. (Second banana to Ana).:biggrin:
EllsBells1960 11-17-2005, 11:42 AM I just can't like this character, right now - & if the previews are not misleading, I still won't like her. It's not even a 'love-to-hate' thing - I just plain don't like her.
luvmylost 11-17-2005, 11:45 AM I didn't like her before but I like her after this episode. She took care of the two little kids and gave the little girl CPR. We got to see a softer side of her this time. Lets face it none of the other survivors would have ever pegged Goodwin for an OTHER but she did, and she was right. I think she was great in this episode, I thnk in future episodes we will get to see other sides of her and understand her character a bit more.
Alkcalien 11-17-2005, 12:06 PM Didn't like her before.
I loathe her now.
jonnynyc 11-17-2005, 12:17 PM Didn't like her so much before
Love her now
She was amazing last night
The scene with her and Goodwin was the best so far this year
conwaym2003 11-17-2005, 12:21 PM What was great about lost was that it was a show with mainly unheard of actors, and now that you have a semi star with so/so acting abilitites, I just worry that the writers won't give the other actors a chance to develop. I mean who would of thought Jorge Garcia was such a good dramatic actor? Suprised the hell out of me. I just don't want this show to focus on AL as opposed to the other characters like Locke, Sun, Hurley etc. Plus I thought the Shannon episode was pretty good, then she was killed. I mean come on, her story seemed alot more interesting than Boones.
BTD Greg 11-17-2005, 12:24 PM What was great about lost was that it was a show with mainly unheard of actors.
Well, sort of, but not really. Jack had a hit TV series several years ago. Charlie was in three of the top grossing films of all time. Sayid was in a movie that won Best Picture. I don't think Michelle is really all that less well-known than any of those three. And I think she's a great actress.
I still don't like her...She's a bully! She's bossy and everyone is afraid of her...
pengbear 11-17-2005, 12:47 PM I can certainly see why the tailies are so distrustful., but if you remember, even back on day 3 Ana Lucia was mean. Remember when Libby came over and said Broken-Leg Dude was getting worse? Ana Lucia's response was, so what? What are we supposed to do?
I don't know. Maybe try to comfort him, give him fresh water, make him as comfortable as possible? Quote scripture to him? But just to ignore him shows a huge lack of compassion.
I ahven't quite decided on Ana yet. She's shown some redeeming qualities and some not so redeeming ones. I think what bugs me the most is that she seems to take on the supreme self-appointed dictator role where her word is law, her way or the highway, she's always right. Her actions are very rash and she acts before thinking and she seems like a loose cannon. Not good at all.
EyeAmLost 11-17-2005, 01:13 PM i love her!!!!!
Lexxxxx 11-17-2005, 01:18 PM I, for one, welcome our new butch latina overlord.
Am I the only one who thinks she's kind of hot? And she only gets points in my book for whacking Shannon the whiner.
LOL, rocusman. I love the Simpsons too. And AL is smokin', if slightly deranged.
Vertical 11-17-2005, 01:23 PM Please kill her now. This episode revealed that her actions were, for the most part, entirely unwarranted.
We learned in this flashback that the Others never attacked the Tailies during the day, never even really "attacked" them. The only people who died in the meetings between the Others and the Tailies were Others (outside of Nathan, of course). Yes, people were abducted, but we have no idea what happened to them. So for all of Ana's "Be quiet or I'll shove a boot down your throat" attitude, it was entirely baseless. There was no evidence that noise had ever drawn the others to them leading to an attack or even an abduction. In fact, it is now clear that the others go out of their way to avoid confrontation, since they come in the dead of the night.
The others can easily be bested, are human, and are, at worst, carrying knives (which they don't use). They are no more a threat than anyone else on the island is, as far as Ana Lucia's experience with them is concerned. So her hostile attitude towards the raftaways initially is understandable, however once they learn that they are not 'others', there is no reason for Ana to continually beat on them, harass them, or boss them around.
She has no reason to tell people they must "keep moving" or "shut up" as she is so fond of doing.
Sayid, will you please kill her? Please?
LostMyMarbles 11-17-2005, 01:32 PM I guess this show is well-written, because I am constantly amazed how fans can see the same character and react so differently.
As far as I can see Ana Lucifer is irredeemable. I can't even see HOW any fan could like her. Saving the life of a kid on Day 1 got her some positive karma, but it's long since been spent and now she's running quite a deficit. And it's compounding as fast as the national debt.
How about her treatment of Nathan? Thrown in a pit, no food and presumably no water for four days and "chopping off the fingers comes tomorrow"? No questions except for "Where are you from and why were you in Australia?"
Why would Nathan answer her? If he keeps saying he was on the plane, he stays in the pit. If he says he's an Other, he gets pulled up and killed. He has no possible motivation to say anything.
Sayid would have gotten some actual information.
I can't BELIEVE what I saw in the previews for episode 8.
lostindixie 11-17-2005, 01:54 PM I am still not liking Ana. She's evil and the Anti-lostaway. I hope now that she's met up with the good Lostaways she gets assigned permanent button-pushing duty in the hatch and we never have to see her again.
SanLynn 11-17-2005, 02:30 PM Let me see..... Nope! Still have no sympathy for and not liking Ana Lucia at all!
I can't BELIEVE what I saw in the previews for episode 8.
Me either! If these were the eps that were supposed to redeem her I don't think I'll be buying. LOL
The reason Sawyer could be redeemed for me was that their was some little bit of rooting value in him to begin with.
Ana Lucia didn't start out with any rooting value for me and she sure hasn't earned any after tonight.
I thought perhaps at the beginning there might have some small kernel of something that I could hang on too she wiped that out SO fast I had whiplash.
So no, Ana Lucia is not loved by me and likely never will be. I hate her more than Kate.
Nay815 11-17-2005, 02:52 PM What was great about lost was that it was a show with mainly unheard of actors, and now that you have a semi star with so/so acting abilitites, I just worry that the writers won't give the other actors a chance to develop. I mean who would of thought Jorge Garcia was such a good dramatic actor? Suprised the hell out of me. I just don't want this show to focus on AL as opposed to the other characters like Locke, Sun, Hurley etc. Plus I thought the Shannon episode was pretty good, then she was killed. I mean come on, her story seemed alot more interesting than Boones.
Exactly!
I liked the Shannon character----not admired but found interesting- from the very first episode.....now I wonder why she and Boone were ever even written in the story line? We have lost all connection with them and the fact that Shannon was connected to Jack and his wife.
Ana Lucia-----can't stand the actress-----and don't care for the character she plays.
Also hated that the previews for next week, left no doubt that Shannon is indeed dead. I thought it would, at the very least, be interesting if Jack had to choose between saving Shannon or Sawyer----just like Sarah and Shannon's dad.
I must say I am very sad to admit that I am more than a little disappointed with Season Two of LOST thus far. The writing has really gone down hill IMHO.
ginger 11-17-2005, 03:11 PM Count me in with the Ana haters. I really, honestly expected to be won over last night, but I don't see that Ana has suffered any more than anybody else has and yet everybody else managed civility. Ana is just a b*tchy, tyrannical bully. I guess next week will be another attempt (through flashbacks) to make us fall in love (or at least like) with her. In the preview, I didn't see any Shannon -killing remorse from her. It was all about self-preservation yet again. Usually, when an actor (or anybody) cries, I can't help but get choked up... I felt nothing when Ana cried. I just don't think I can be turned at this point, but I'll give it another week...
AlongCameLost 11-17-2005, 03:34 PM She lacks depth and complexity. So what; we flash back and see that she was a victim of domestic abuse or something along that line that would explain this femin-nazi persona? What a shocker that would be? *eye roll*
For every character that I have found either annoying or unlikeable-whether it was Shannon or Jin, their back stories always won me over and I came to sympathize, understand and feel affection for their character.
There is no way in hell that is going to happen w/ AL. Never.
I wish they would make her a sacrificial lamb to the Others or let Sayid go full-blown Iraqi Republican guard on her ***.
jmho.
shootfire 11-17-2005, 03:41 PM Please kill her now. This episode revealed that her actions were, for the most part, entirely unwarranted.
We learned in this flashback that the Others never attacked the Tailies during the day, never even really "attacked" them. The only people who died in the meetings between the Others and the Tailies were Others (outside of Nathan, of course). Yes, people were abducted, but we have no idea what happened to them. So for all of Ana's "Be quiet or I'll shove a boot down your throat" attitude, it was entirely baseless. There was no evidence that noise had ever drawn the others to them leading to an attack or even an abduction. In fact, it is now clear that the others go out of their way to avoid confrontation, since they come in the dead of the night.
The others can easily be bested, are human, and are, at worst, carrying knives (which they don't use). They are no more a threat than anyone else on the island is, as far as Ana Lucia's experience with them is concerned. So her hostile attitude towards the raftaways initially is understandable, however once they learn that they are not 'others', there is no reason for Ana to continually beat on them, harass them, or boss them around.
She has no reason to tell people they must "keep moving" or "shut up" as she is so fond of doing.
Sayid, will you please kill her? Please?
Thank you, Vertical. You said almost everything that has been bugging me about the show last night. Where does she get that they can be anywhere at anytime? She's a loose canon, firing at something/someone she can't see, and has no indication is a threat! If there had been a threat, she might have wasted the bullet and left them all in even more danger? Another thing, Ana Lucia seems so willing to cut bait and run, leaving the most vulnerable to fend for themselves. She would have left Sawyer behind to die alone, and seemed irritated that Eko was trying to help anyone outside their little group. Is this how someone behaves, when they claim to want to join the other lostaways? It doesn't seem to me that she wants to join forces. She's just running out of people to boss around IMHO.
snausage 11-17-2005, 03:45 PM Hate her. She's gotta go! Please let Sayid kill her!!
Fujidust 11-17-2005, 03:49 PM Please kill her now. This episode revealed that her actions were, for the most part, entirely unwarranted.
We learned in this flashback that the Others never attacked the Tailies during the day, never even really "attacked" them. The only people who died in the meetings between the Others and the Tailies were Others (outside of Nathan, of course). Yes, people were abducted, but we have no idea what happened to them. So for all of Ana's "Be quiet or I'll shove a boot down your throat" attitude, it was entirely baseless. There was no evidence that noise had ever drawn the others to them leading to an attack or even an abduction. In fact, it is now clear that the others go out of their way to avoid confrontation, since they come in the dead of the night.
The others can easily be bested, are human, and are, at worst, carrying knives (which they don't use). They are no more a threat than anyone else on the island is, as far as Ana Lucia's experience with them is concerned. So her hostile attitude towards the raftaways initially is understandable, however once they learn that they are not 'others', there is no reason for Ana to continually beat on them, harass them, or boss them around.
She has no reason to tell people they must "keep moving" or "shut up" as she is so fond of doing.
Sayid, will you please kill her? Please?
As I stated earlier in this thread, I dont like A.L. However, to say that her "actions were entirely unwarranted", the Others "never really attacked them", and that the "others go out of their way to avoid confrontation" is just ridiculous. If you were stranded on some strange Island and some freaky-deaky people come take your pals in the middle of the night, you could probably make the assumption they are not going to the local day spa. I think kidnapping could be construed as attacking. As much as I dislike A.L. I can respect how she reacted. She took control in a chaotic situation to help protect the lives of those around her.
yahof 11-17-2005, 05:49 PM As I stated earlier in this thread, I dont like A.L. However, to say that her "actions were entirely unwarranted", the Others "never really attacked them", and that the "others go out of their way to avoid confrontation" is just ridiculous. If you were stranded on some strange Island and some freaky-deaky people come take your pals in the middle of the night, you could probably make the assumption they are not going to the local day spa. I think kidnapping could be construed as attacking. As much as I dislike A.L. I can respect how she reacted. She took control in a chaotic situation to help protect the lives of those around her.
Right on Fuji.
The Tailies had a very different situation than our beloved Losties right from the start.
They have no food.
They have no water.
They have no medical supplies.
They know that imminent rescue is not likely, thanks to Cindy.
They are attacked by strange island inhabitants on the very first night.
In short they are in an extremely dire survival situation. If they don't immediately establish some systematic order, they'll die.
Since they are all strangers, the only way that can happen is for a strong, iron-fisted leader to emerge instantly. At least that's the AL saw it, and I'm afraid I have to agree.
She did what had to be done for the best interest of the Tailies.
I wouldn't be surprised if she has previous dire survival experience in her backstory, perhaps Special Forces training.
Do I like her? Not a lot. But I respect her.
Besides, the show would be pretty darn dull if all the characters were likeable, wouldn't it?
EyeAmLost 11-17-2005, 05:53 PM and going....
pengbear 11-17-2005, 09:52 PM Her philosophy seems to be "Shoot first, ask questions later" - EXCEPT with Goodwin, the one instance where it would have come in handy.
Why did she wait so long to address her concerns about his being dry, running out of the jungle, etc?
I just don't like her, and at this point she could be an orphan who overcame polio to be a Nobel Peace Prize winner for the cure for cancer, and my reaction would be, "Sayid! Hit her again! In the mouth!"
HATE.:chair:
cbsgough 11-17-2005, 10:01 PM I don't like her and I enjoy not liking her. It makes the show more fun.
MFerris 11-17-2005, 10:11 PM I like her.
Smartest charictor in the series. She's not caught up in the bigger questions of fate and destiny. She just deals with the situation. If they'd gotten off of the beach when she said to leave more would have survived.
She also figured out Goodwin was a bad guy on her own and dealt with him. The other Lostaways were clueless until Hurley did a cencus - Hurley, not Locke, not Jack nor Sayid, just fun-time Hurley. That put's Ana Lucia head of our favorite and lovable charictors in the brains and b*lls department.
Every step of the way she's demonstrated a head's up approach to dealing with her situation. She's going to make a great addition to the story.
Monsoon_Season 11-17-2005, 10:48 PM She lacks depth and complexity. So what; we flash back and see that she was a victim of domestic abuse or something along that line that would explain this femin-nazi persona? What a shocker that would be? *eye roll*
For every character that I have found either annoying or unlikeable-whether it was Shannon or Jin, their back stories always won me over and I came to sympathize, understand and feel affection for their character.
There is no way in hell that is going to happen w/ AL. Never.
I wish they would make her a sacrificial lamb to the Others or let Sayid go full-blown Iraqi Republican guard on her ***.
jmho.
so being cut off from free money at 18 is worthy of sympathy, but being abused at home is not?
I can think of plenty of flashbacks that would inspire at least some affection for Anna. What if she was once trusting and honest and as a result allowed a close family member (child perhaps) to get killed? What if she was forcefully trained as a millitary assasin and doesn't know anything else? (kind of like Jin). What if she was kidnapped as a child and thus lost the ability to trust?
Yeah, right now, she's a bitch. But final judgements are off till we get some pre-island info.
artnphotogirl 11-17-2005, 11:08 PM I like Ana Lucia even more after seeing the episode...it did a lot to explain why she is in that heavy-handed, "believe no one new" mode.
I like that she cried after 40 days yes, but some people take a while for tears to flow when they are in that type of situation. It made her a lot more human and reminded that she has a heart and cares but she has to cover it up to survive on the island.
I am really looking forward to her backstory and next weeks show.
artnphotogirl 11-17-2005, 11:14 PM Her philosophy seems to be "Shoot first, ask questions later" - EXCEPT with Goodwin, the one instance where it would have come in handy.
But, she had to keep him alive to ask him questions about the children. Ana is deeply worried about the children and she promised the little girl she would get her home. It would serve Ana no purpose to kill him without at least trying to get an answer on this subject.
She had to keep him alive to ask him questions...like she did with Nathan when she thought he was an "Other"... and try and get some answers. As soon as he made the move to harm her, she offed him very quickly.
Vertical 11-18-2005, 12:19 AM As I stated earlier in this thread, I dont like A.L. However, to say that her "actions were entirely unwarranted", the Others "never really attacked them", and that the "others go out of their way to avoid confrontation" is just ridiculous. If you were stranded on some strange Island and some freaky-deaky people come take your pals in the middle of the night, you could probably make the assumption they are not going to the local day spa. I think kidnapping could be construed as attacking. As much as I dislike A.L. I can respect how she reacted. She took control in a chaotic situation to help protect the lives of those around her.
Perhaps you can explain her fanatical obsession with silence? Why does she continually tell Michael, Jin, and Sawyer to shut up? Why the 'no talking' rule? What was presented to us last night to justify this seeming power-trip? Since when did noise make any difference? They were "attacked" in the middle of the night.
AL's behavior, prior to viewing this episode, hinted that the others had previously discovered their location due to noise, shouting, whatever, and that's why she was telling them to be quiet. Did we see anything of that sort? Nope. In fact, all of those tailies knew that the reason that the Others knew anything about them at all was because they had a plant, who had already been dealt with. No listening devices, no super-powered hearing - a plant. A mole. Thus, her behavior towards Michael, Jin, and Sawyer is entirely baseless.
She is a power-tripping liability. She mis-identified the mole, assaulted an innocent man, imprisoned him wrongly, and was indirectly responsible for his death. Any regrets about that? Nope. No "I was wrong about Nathan", no "I made a mistake", no, no, nothing like that. She just moves on to the next person she's paranoid about, and happens to be right this time. Well, she's batting .500. Oops, no, wait, she shot Shannon, too. Guess she's 1 for 3 in correctly identifying true threats. And the two she was wrong about are now dead thanks to her.
Yeah, she's really admirable. And likeable! Such unique spirit! Such fresh attitude!
Er, no. Her entire scene with the girl was contrived, and completey juxtaposed to every other scene we've been treated to with her. I'm extremely disappointed that this is quickly becoming "Ana-Lucia's Lost". There's way too much focus on one character here. And a terribly written one at that.
MagickBalls 11-18-2005, 12:54 AM Hey, she's already fine by me. After all, she bumped off my least favorite character.
My Reply:
Appears like she did......and yeah, I second the feeling of not being that sad over the last "major" death.
Over all, I like the Ana Lucia character. Why do I have this feeling that Kate won't? Should be good.
GB
pengbear 11-18-2005, 10:56 PM But, she had to keep him alive to ask him questions about the children. Ana is deeply worried about the children and she promised the little girl she would get her home. It would serve Ana no purpose to kill him without at least trying to get an answer on this subject.
She had to keep him alive to ask him questions...like she did with Nathan when she thought he was an "Other"... and try and get some answers. As soon as he made the move to harm her, she offed him very quickly.
I agree, at least she made a good move by questioning him. It's more than anyone else has gotten out of Ethan. But by going with him alone-did she really think he was not a threat?=she lost her chance to get even more valuable information. It's a shame she didn't throw HIM in the pit, or tie him up and quiz him. That would have made more sense to me.
And why did she wait 26 (27?) days? If she had immediate suspicions about him, why wait so long? I just don't understand.
Kelvin not Calvin 11-18-2005, 11:50 PM Ana Lucia is great, because she is causing so much conflict, on and off the screen. Love her or hate her, hey you're talking about her and the show.
Personally, the reason I think that Michelle Rodriguez is coming off like a single-emotion bitch is because her character feels that is the way she's supposed to act in the situation that they're in. All she's doing is responding to the situation, and in that situation, there's no room for argument, no room for crying. She's been in that mode for about 90% of the time she's been on the screen. There's no way you're supposed to like it, but she wouldn't care if you did anyway. She may also be overcompensating as well, feeling that as a woman she has to because that's what she had to do in a alpha-male dominated workplace (law enforcement, military, espionage, etc).
I think the writers wanted us to hate her.
Amber 11-20-2005, 12:17 AM I think she's one of the smarter tailees (& Eko). How come all people can say is typecast? None of the actors in Lost have had any exceptional roles before this, except Michael & Eko in Oz. Hell, Matthew Fox was in Party of Five... but not typecast I guess.
So you guys don't like that Ana Lucia resembles her other roles?
Oh man, I just checked IMDB. Her new film summary is this:
A group of five college kids are forced to match wits with unwelcoming residents when they fly to a "deserted" island for a party weekend.
I still like her character, and I think it will eventually grow on most people. Everyone hated Sawyer half of season one, now he's many people's favourite character.
She looks purrty here: http://imdb.com/gallery/hh/0735442/HH/0735442/rodriguez.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Rodriguez,%20Michelle%20(I)
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