Check out the towards the end of Abandoned after Shannon was shot. When Syid came to her you can here a muffled shot in the back ground. My wife heard this and it does make some sense.

No, it doesn't make any sense. ANA KILLED SHANNON.

I've relistened to this, and I still don't hear a second shot.

Check out the towards the end of Abandoned after Shannon was shot. When Syid came to her you can here a muffled shot in the back ground. My wife heard this and it does make some sense.

Last week was speculation for this...lol. But yeah it's clearly apparent now Ana was the one who shot Shannon.

Does anyone think Ana has the sickness already?

Im wondering if there is anything specific in the last part when it was in slow motion with the shooting of Shannon. I hope someone will be able to spot something, anything because I have a feeling that someone or some people are in those scenes that we weren't aware of.

Wow. This whole second shot thing is taking on a life of it's own!!

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Ana definitely fires a shot in the flashback. Question is at who and did she hit anything?

GAaaaaHHHH!!!!!

Please... make it stop!!!!!

The only question is why can't people let this go. Beyond ANY shadow of a doubt, Ana Lucia killed Shannon. There was no second gunman. There was no "back... and to the left.." Ana Lucia was the only one that shot anyone. The previews for next week are all about the repurcussions of her killing Shannon. She even SAYS she killed Shannon.

Please.... I BEG you.... just say no. please.......

Many fans didn't want to accept Shannon's death. Seeing a new version of this sequence was very interesting tonight because it showed that it was more about the whispers, Ana's disorientation and paranoia and less about Shannon making a lot of noise. You could barely hear Shannon if at all tonight. Those whispers sure are creepy and I still can't make out anything they say.

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I do so love this forum.

Many fans didn't want to accept Shannon's death. Seeing a new version of this sequence was very interesting tonight because it showed that it was more about the whispers, Ana's disorientation and paranoia and less about Shannon making a lot of noise. You could barely hear Shannon if at all tonight. Those whispers sure are creepy and I still can't make out anything they say.

Correction, i was expecting Shannon's death. I just didn't want Ana Lucia to be the one that shot Shannon

I too was expecting SHannon to get killed off, and it doesn't bother me if AL shot her. It just seems like a lame storyline to me. I guess it works though...look at how much people hate AL for an accidental shooting.

It never was said that Sayid killed Shannon--just someone he loves--possibly Nadia?

I was trying to figure out if Sayid and Ana recognized each other or if he was just staring because he was pisssed. Interesting that Ana recognized the Army knife and could date it. Maybe she knew Sayid in the Army, maybe she interrogated him?

After further review, the play on the field has been reversed! Ok...so I was one of the many that felt the whole Ana shooting Shannon thing was a pieced together hoax. It clearly seems now that Ana is the shooter. But there is still room for doubt. Perhaps even Ana is assured that she shot Shannon when, in fact, it still might be someone else. I have yet to review my DVR for this so called second shot but it will be the first thing I do when I get home.

I remember the promos suggesting that the "real killer" will be exposed in the coming weeks. There was talk about someone being falsely accused of killing a castaway. So there could still be some doubt here. I still maintain that the shot fired at Shannon was a rifle shot (either laid into the soundtrack by sound folks intentionally or without regard). Perhaps Ana fired a shot but missed. And, after watching Shannon fall and die, assumed that it was her shot. Well...so much speculation, so much time....

It never was said that Sayid killed Shannon--just someone he loves--possibly Nadia?
fantastic! I had not considered that as there is suggestion that AL was in the Gulf War and a part of Sayid's interrogation team

Still...it seems that everything is as it seems...for the moment. I think Ana, at the very least, really believes that she shot Shannon. Whether or not she did remains to be seen. But wouldnt that be something if it turns out that AL was responsible for killing off (or removal of) both women that Sayid ever loved. He would Jihad all over her!

He would Jihad all over her!

LMAO! :laughing:

So, last night, at the end, it looks like AL shot Shannon. We see clearly that the gun is fired.

But then in the previews for next week they show her firing the gun again. Clearly we see the gun going off. It appears to be a different shot. One when Sayid is coming at her and Jin and Michael are right behind her.

So, what I'm trying to figure out is.......she said that there was only one bullet in the gun. If in fact she did fire twice, then where did the second bullet come from?

Did anyone else see it this way, or am I missing something?

If you watch the shot of Ana hitting Shannon and the preview of next week, it's the same camera angle and action. The editors are tricking us again. Just like they have with the Jin "everything is going to change" dialog before Everybody Hates Hugos. They needed more action and suspense. You notice that the only dialog that references anyone being dead or in a seriously injured state is Shannon and Sawyer. Noone shoots, noone gets shot.

So, what I'm trying to figure out is.......she said that there was only one bullet in the gun. If in fact she did fire twice, then where did the second bullet come from?

I was wondering about this too. At this point, it's simply not credible to say that Ana Lucia didn't shoot Shannon. But she does look like she fired one more shot. What's up with that? Did she lie about only having one bullet left?

it came from the green

although i don't really dig this "did AL shoot shannon" thread, i understand why it exists: because the death of shannon, and she IS DEAD no matter how many times its been TiViewed, was a really strangely written plot twist that doesnt quite make sense. why devote a whole episode to a character who you are going to kill off at the end? i couldnt figure it out at first, but in the end, the whole reason they did it was that it didnt make sense! and THAT would get the fans buzzing and coming back for more. anyway, thats MHO.

Wasn't there only 1 bullet in the gun? If so, AL couldn't have killed Shanon. The scenes from next week showed her firing a warning shot at Sayid to get back when he charged at her.

GAaaaaHHHH!!!!!

Please... make it stop!!!!!

The only question is why can't people let this go. Beyond ANY shadow of a doubt, Ana Lucia killed Shannon. There was no second gunman. There was no "back... and to the left.." Ana Lucia was the only one that shot anyone. The previews for next week are all about the repurcussions of her killing Shannon. She even SAYS she killed Shannon.

Please.... I BEG you.... just say no. please.......

Hear! Hear!

AL's quote (as close as I can remember) "I've killed someone he loves, you don't think he won't come after me?"

In the preview, ana says, "I killed someone he loved." She does not say that she shot Shannon.

If Ana actually killed Shannon, sooner or later, Sayid would kill her. No ifs, no buts, no maybes.

And how does Ana know Sayid loved Shannon? He only told her just before she was shot..no one knew that except Sayid and Shannon. I think Ana is talking about Nadia. If Ana knew Sayid from before then she might know he loved Nadia and was looking for her.

I've seen it posted that the 2nd shot Ana shoots from Sayid's gun, not the one that only had 1 bullet left. Has the gun identification been confirmed? Is the 2nd shot without a doubt from Sayid's gun?

So, last night, at the end, it looks like AL shot Shannon. We see clearly that the gun is fired.

But then in the previews for next week they show her firing the gun again. Clearly we see the gun going off. It appears to be a different shot. One when Sayid is coming at her and Jin and Michael are right behind her.

So, what I'm trying to figure out is.......she said that there was only one bullet in the gun. If in fact she did fire twice, then where did the second bullet come from?

Did anyone else see it this way, or am I missing something?

Yes, thought the same thing. there is only 1 bullet, but there were 2 shots (ie the one you mention above)

How would Ana get Sayid's gun, he wasn't tied up yet when she shot at him.

How would Ana get Sayid's gun, he wasn't tied up yet when she shot at him.

Not really sure. I was just repeating what I've seen posted and I was wondering if any gun "experts" have identified the guns in question (I personally wouldn't know a B.B. gun from a Bazooka).

In the scene it appears to not be raining, so maybe it takes place some time later.

Wasn't there only 1 bullet in the gun? If so, AL couldn't have killed Shanon. The scenes from next week showed her firing a warning shot at Sayid to get back when he charged at her.

you are correct. In the preview for next week at the end of the episode, you see Ana firing a warning shot at Sayid. In the episode where AL interrogates Michael, Jin, and Sawyer, and takes the gun, they are hell bent there is only one bullet left in the gun after shooting at the shark. Leaves room for doubt in my opinion.

Here's what Cuse and Lindeloff say on TV Guide: http://www.tvguide.com/News/AskAusiello/

Are you concerned that Ana-Lucia is beyond redemption? I can't tell you how many e-mails I got from AA readers asking, "When is that bitch going to die?!" Actually, I can tell you: 124.
Carlton: At the beginning of last season, people didn't like Josh Holloway's character either. And by the end of the season, he was one of the most-liked characters on the show. It'll be really interesting to see, as we tell more about Ana-Lucia, whether that changes the audience's perception of her. We think it will.
Damon: In the same moment that we decided Shannon would die, [we also decided that] Ana-Lucia would be responsible for that death. It would be the first time one castaway was responsible for killing another, and it would give so much inherent conflict and trauma [heading to] the merge. We're walking a very tenuous tightrope with her, but we feel that over the course of the next two episodes the audience will hopefully get a better understanding for that character and what she's been through.
Can you confirm that Shannon was, in fact, shot? Fans have been speculating that she looked like she had a stab wound.
Carlton: She was shot.
Damon: People are getting a little too…
They're reaching a little too much?
Carlton: They totally are. And she did not have a Dharma Initiative stamp on her.

you are correct. In the preview for next week at the end of the episode, you see Ana firing a warning shot at Sayid. In the episode where AL interrogates Michael, Jin, and Sawyer, and takes the gun, they are hell bent there is only one bullet left in the gun after shooting at the shark. Leaves room for doubt in my opinion.

Here's what Cuse and Lindeloff say on TV Guide: http://www.tvguide.com/News/AskAusiello/

Are you concerned that Ana-Lucia is beyond redemption? I can't tell you how many e-mails I got from AA readers asking, "When is that vincent going to die?!" Actually, I can tell you: 124.
Carlton: At the beginning of last season, people didn't like Josh Holloway's character either. And by the end of the season, he was one of the most-liked characters on the show. It'll be really interesting to see, as we tell more about Ana-Lucia, whether that changes the audience's perception of her. We think it will.
Damon: In the same moment that we decided Shannon would die, [we also decided that] Ana-Lucia would be responsible for that death. It would be the first time one castaway was responsible for killing another, and it would give so much inherent conflict and trauma [heading to] the merge. We're walking a very tenuous tightrope with her, but we feel that over the course of the next two episodes the audience will hopefully get a better understanding for that character and what she's been through.
Can you confirm that Shannon was, in fact, shot? Fans have been speculating that she looked like she had a stab wound.
Carlton: She was shot.
Damon: People are getting a little too…
They're reaching a little too much?
Carlton: They totally are. And she did not have a Dharma Initiative stamp on her.

awesome, diggitydirge! now let's let this thread die!!!

Wow. This whole second shot thing is taking on a life of it's own!!

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i've got it! the second shot came from the grassy knoll!
:rolleye1:

i didn't hear two shots but the whole before and after the shooting makes me speculate. there were camera pans that made me wonder why the camera was panning at nothing. i believe the major part was where the camera panned left and right but there was nothing there, or was there? i kept looking to see if i could see some "smoke monster" trails but nothing. maybe the camera was just messing with us.

I thought the gun shot sounded different in the two episodes... anyone else think so?

I rewatched Abandoned earlier today, and I heard two shots too. I know, Ana killed Shannon. I'm not saying she didn't. The two ideas aren't mutually exclusive. The second shot is plainly audible. I suppose it could be an echo, but it sounds pretty distinct.

Michael Ausiello from TV Guide had an exclusive interview with Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof.

Very interesing info and spoilers!



First off, I have a bone to pick with you, Damon. Last July, I asked you if a female character was getting killed this season on Lost, and you said — and I quote: "I think it would be fairly silly for us to kill a woman — there are only three or four of them on the show. And they're all really hot." So, I guess my question is, how can I ever trust you again?

Damon Lindelof: I never said we weren't going to kill a woman. I said it would be silly. And you know, Carlton and I are pretty silly guys. You should see the hat that he's wearing right now.
Carlton Cuse: That's all I'm wearing.
Damon: And also a sock, but that's another story.


Did it bug you that Maggie Grace's people leaked that tidbit about her possibly joining the cast of X-Men 3 over the summer? It was a pretty major tip-off that she might be leaving the show.

Carlton: There's no incentive for them to preserve the creative sanctity of Lost. You have an agency full of people whose job it is to get Maggie Grace other work. And how could we begrudge her that? We can't prevent her from going out and earning a livelihood, you know?

There's the perception that Maggie had to turn down X-Men 3 because of Lost.

Carlton: I don't think that was the circumstance. We would have been accommodating had she been offered that job.
Damon: Carlton and I would have bent over backwards to see if there was a way to make it work.

Why was Shannon marked for death?
Damon: It was by no means a result of Maggie's abilities as an actress, which, we felt were gaining ground every time we saw her on the screen. But Shannon is a 22- or 23-year-old character, and the flashback stories and limitations in terms of her life experience… The younger the character is on the show, the more limited you are in terms of stories you can tell. So, before we started running Shannon into the ground and doing the same stories over and over again, it felt like it was a very natural time to kill [her] off. And the idea that was appealing to us, and certainly to Maggie, was that we would finally show Shannon in this different light. Make her incredibly sympathetic and then she would die.

Will Shannon be back, like, say, in one of Jack's flashbacks?
Carlton: It's always possible she could pop up in someone's backstory. But she is definitely dead. When a character dies on the island, they stay dead.

Are you concerned that Ana-Lucia is beyond redemption? I can't tell you how many e-mails I got from AA readers asking, "When is that vincent going to die?!"

Carlton: At the beginning of last season, people didn't like Josh Holloway's character either. And by the end of the season, he was one of the most-liked characters on the show. It'll be really interesting to see, as we tell more about Ana-Lucia, whether that changes the audience's perception of her. We think it will.
Damon: In the same moment that we decided Shannon would die, [we also decided that] Ana-Lucia would be responsible for that death. It would be the first time one castaway was responsible for killing another, and it would give so much inherent conflict and trauma [heading to] the merge. We're walking a very tenuous tightrope with her, but we feel that over the course of the next two episodes the audience will hopefully get a better understanding for that character and what she's been through.


Can you confirm that Shannon was, in fact, shot? Fans have been speculating that she looked like she had a stab wound.

Carlton: She was shot.
Damon: People are getting a little too…


They're reaching a little too much?
Carlton: They totally are. And she did not have a Dharma Initiative stamp on her.

Let's talk about Malcolm David Kelley and Walt. Why was his role reduced this season? Were you concerned about him aging faster than the time line on the show?
Carlton: That's a legitimate issue. We've only gone 50 days on the island, and he's a kid in puberty. But Walt's disappearance and, ultimately, Michael's efforts to reunite with him were part of a grander plan. There are also financial considerations. Since Walt wasn't going to be around for a lot of episodes, we had to make an arrangement to have his role be a more reduced role.

Whether you use him once or twice a year or every week, the aging thing will still be an issue, no? Might you recast?
Damon: To answer that question is sort of to reveal what the plan is for Walt, and there is a plan. I always feel like recasting is the nuclear option. You do not do it unless it is absolutely, 100 percent necessary. But obviously, we have a story that we want to tell about Walt and about Michael and Walt.

Last week Shannon and Sayid gave us our first big Lost sex scene…
Carlton: It was the second big sex scene. Boone and Shannon had sex together [last season]. So, if you have sex on the show, you're pretty much going to end up dead.

So, who's having sex next?
Carlton: (Laughs) As we move into the middle run of episodes, we're definitely emphasizing the Jack-Kate-Sawyer romantic triangle. The level of sexual tension between those three characters is definitely being ramped up.

How will Ana-Lucia figure into it?
Damon: As the respective leaders of their respective units, Ana-Lucia and Jack have a great deal in common with each other, and that's definitely something we're going to be exploring. But [the fact that] Ana-Lucia inadvertently murdered one of the members of the tribe doesn't exactly [lend itself] to candlelight dinners and walks on the beach. She is a woman; she will have romantic entanglements. But I think the one that will begin to emerge over the season will be the one that you least expect.

What about Charlie and Claire?
Carlton: We're definitely going to be paying attention to their relationship, but it's not going to turn in ways the audience expects.

Will we get any clarification about the numbers this season? Damon: Carlton might want to punch me for actually going on record and saying this, but I think that that question will never, ever be answered. I couldn't possibly imagine [how we would answer that question]. We will see more ramifications of the numbers and more usage of the numbers, but it boggles my mind when people ask me, "What do the numbers mean?"

Will we find out why Ethan abducted Claire?
Damon: Yes. Carlton: You'll learn more about it this season.

Will Claire get some of her memory back?
Damon: The loss of her memory happened so long ago that it requires a sort of deft touch in order to reintroduce the concept. Once we start assuming that everybody is intimately familiar with everything that has ever happened on the island, I think the show risks becoming slightly confused. But all of that stuff is in play. It's just a matter of when and how we reactivate it.

Are you still planning to reveal why the plane crashed this season?
.Carlton: Yes

Are you saving that little doozy for the finale?

Carlton: We're saving it until later. We consider that on the ground of fairly major revelations.
Damon: We don't want to stick that one in the middle of March.


ABC billed last week's episode as the one "everyone will be talking about." What'll be the next one "everyone will be talking about"?
Carlton: Ironically, it's the next episode [airing tonight]. We think for us, it's even more of a water-cooler episode than the death episode. This is really a very special episode in that it's kind of a concept episode. It deviates from the form and style of our other episodes.

On Nov. 30 we'll finally learn what Kate's precrash crime was that landed her in so much hot water. Any other big flashback revelations this season?

Damon: In the next string of episodes, one of the really compelling backstory elements is what happened to Jack's marriage. We think Julie Bowen is amazing and she and Matthew Fox are so great in scenes together, and I think the audience is really curious as to what went wrong there.
Carlton: And you should pay attention to Mr. Eko's stick
.

Seriously?

Carlton: Yeah.
Damon: Keep your eyes on Mr. Eko's stick.
Carlton: That stick is an important ongoing clue.


Will we learn more about Monster this season?

Carlton: Definitely.
Damon: Absolutely.


Has Disney approached you about doing a Lost feature film? Carlton: No.

And if they did, what would your response be?
Damon: I would punch them as hard as I could. We couldn't even begin to wrap our brains around how we would produce a feature film. Obviously, the production team in Hawaii is amazing, but the amount of time [it would require] to do a TV show and a feature on top of each other… I think it's safe to say it would be impossible.

Last question:
Will there be another death this season? Carlton: (Laughs) You're very good, but we can't say.

On that note, it's time to wrap up the special super-sized Lost portion of Ask Ausiello.



Well that`s it for Shannon......

Ohw damn.....
my first post and its full of spoilers....
srry,,,*This was supposed to work*

Does Sayid not have a gun? I thought he had one stuffed into the back of his pants when he chases after Shannon into the woods, that could be where the other bullets or shots come from if Anna only had one bullet.

I was trying to figure out if Sayid and Ana recognized each other or if he was just staring because he was pisssed. Interesting that Ana recognized the Army knife and could date it. Maybe she knew Sayid in the Army, maybe she interrogated him?


MAYBE she recognized it as an army knife because it had US ARMY stamped on the blade.

Wow, sucked the mystery right out of that one, huh???

Not really sure. I was just repeating what I've seen posted and I was wondering if any gun "experts" have identified the guns in question (I personally wouldn't know a B.B. gun from a Bazooka).

In the scene it appears to not be raining, so maybe it takes place some time later.

Found this on another thread about the makes of the guns:

Different guns. Ana shot Shannon with a beretta92, then she somehow gets a hold of Sayid's sig226, and shoots it. The guns don't even look the same.
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