I was so expecting to find out that Eko had been mute before the crash since he and Locke seem to be parallel characters on the show. However, the genius writers dialed it up a notch. They are juxtapositional characters. They have their similarites - hunters, trackers, men of faith. However, Locke RECEIVES the use of his legs frm the island. Eko freely OFFERS UP the use of his voice. In the case of these guys, eko is definitely the light, and Locke is the dark.

Wow, I didn't think of that before. Good insight. I love Eko!

Good catch. Interesting that Eko himself makes a sacrifice by not speaking, while Locke offers up Boone as the sacrifice. And Eko finds a Bible while Locke finds Virgin Mary statues that are used to transport drugs.

I can't wait to see these 2 interact. Eko being a real man of faith, and Locke putting his faith into whatever gets him his legs back. Also i was amused by Eko's "big stick". He didn't speak at all, but still carried a big stick:) hahaha. Actually the first thing the stick made me think of was Moses' staff and how he used it to exact the 10 plagues on Egypt.

I dont think they will clash, I hope they become friends and lead the lostees to salvation.

I was so expecting to find out that Eko had been mute before the crash since he and Locke seem to be parallel characters on the show. However, the genius writers dialed it up a notch. They are juxtapositional characters. They have their similarites - hunters, trackers, men of faith. However, Locke RECEIVES the use of his legs frm the island. Eko freely OFFERS UP the use of his voice. In the case of these guys, eko is definitely the light, and Locke is the dark.
I picked up on that instantly! It was wonderful how you could see the similarities and subtle differences between these two. I remember thinking, about half way through last night's eppy, "He's the tailies' version of Locke!" And I'm starting to see that AL is their version of Jack ... they both tend to look at the glass being half empty ...

Love Mr. Eko and love Locke! I'd follow either one ... they both seem to have a finger on the island's pulse.

Not sure if I caught this right or not, and I hope someone can help me. There was a scene (right before a commerical) where Eko was scribing something into this weapon. At first it looked like a rock, but then when they went back around on him it looked like it was something green.... the same thing Locke was holding when he was with Claire. I am in between DVRs so i can't go back and watch them to compare. Can any one help to confirm or deny this? Thanks.

Not sure if I caught this right or not, and I hope someone can help me. There was a scene (right before a commerical) where Eko was scribing something into this weapon. At first it looked like a rock, but then when they went back around on him it looked like it was something green.... the same thing Locke was holding when he was with Claire. I am in between DVRs so i can't go back and watch them to compare. Can any one help to confirm or deny this? Thanks.
I believe that was Eko's club. Since the branch was newish, I think it has tints of green. But It was long and not perfectly straight so I think it's his club.

"and Locke putting his faith into whatever gets him his legs back."


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Just think, if the L was silent... ecko could be spelled

eckol or locke in reverse

ahem...

and Locke is the dark.

Can we settle on "Locke is grey" for now? And we don't know enough of Eko to declare him "definitely the light."

Also, "Locke offering Boone as a sacrifice" is a bit strong, don't you think?

Other than that, I think They are juxtapositional characters. They have their similarites - hunters, trackers, men of faith. is an excellent observation, and I'm very much looking forward to their interactions.

I was so expecting to find out that Eko had been mute before the crash since he and Locke seem to be parallel characters on the show. However, the genius writers dialed it up a notch. They are juxtapositional characters. They have their similarites - hunters, trackers, men of faith. However, Locke RECEIVES the use of his legs frm the island. Eko freely OFFERS UP the use of his voice. In the case of these guys, eko is definitely the light, and Locke is the dark.

Yeah I think you hit the nail on the head with this one.

Just think, if the L was silent... ecko could be spelled

eckol or locke in reverse
Only thing is that he spells it Eko (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/combined).

ahem...

Can we settle on "Locke is grey" for now? And we don't know enough of Eko to declare him "definitely the light."

Also, "Locke offering Boone as a sacrifice" is a bit strong, don't you think?

Other than that, I think is an excellent observation, and I'm very much looking forward to their interactions.
See ... now I view Mr. Eko as the dark because he's more brooding than Locke, he has a much more violent side of him than Locke and he doesn't seem as 'at peace' with himself and the island that Locke does. I really think Eko is the dark and Locke is the light (beyond the physical).

Correct me if im wrong but Eko speaks at the begining of the episode( not a whole lot, but a little bit) and stops after he kills the two others the first or second night.

Don't get me wrong. I love Locke. He's a great character. But I do think there is something sinister going on with him. He is a very smart person. I think since he had the vision of the bloodied Boone and told jack that boone was a sacrifice that the island required that he knew full well that Boone would not meet a happy ending when he sent him up into the beechcraft. I don't think he is a bad person and he's had a very hard life. He certainly isn't evil or darkness personifies. But he was definitely willing to make whatever sacrifice he had to to regain his legs. In that respect he is "dark". The writers are obviously drawing a comparison between him and Eko. And we all know the show is all abt light vs. dark. But as far as I'm concerned, I don't think there are many television characters that can compare with John Locke. He's brilliant.

I was so expecting to find out that Eko had been mute before the crash since he and Locke seem to be parallel characters on the show. However, the genius writers dialed it up a notch. They are juxtapositional characters. They have their similarites - hunters, trackers, men of faith. However, Locke RECEIVES the use of his legs frm the island. Eko freely OFFERS UP the use of his voice. In the case of these guys, eko is definitely the light, and Locke is the dark.

I don't think Locke is precisely dark. And I think that it's more than just offering himself up to the island (entitlty, whatever) that gave him the use of his legs. Remember he said over and over to the guy who wouldn't let him go on the walkabout that it was his destiny? He knew somehow that whatever he views as his destiny was tied up with this journey. I can see how a guy would become . . . well, dedicated to something that gave him back the use of his legs.

But the island gives and the island takes away. It certainly seemed to me to be threatening Locke and reminding him to keep the faith in the last episodes of the first season when his legs started to go.

But, as Jack said, they have a "Locke problem" and I guess none of us know where it's going to take them.

As for Mr. Eko, right now he's coming across as almost saintly. And nobody is a saint.

Locke reminds me of Dr.Smith from Lost in Space !

I think there might be more to it then meets the eye. Remember the black and white stones - and the game associated with like begining of time ?

I sort of see a parallel with the skin colors and the roles both characters play or might play out in the series.

Only thing is that he spells it Eko (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/combined).


Where does IMDB get their information? Is it official? I think I have seen a lot of people saying that IMDB has been wrong a lot, and not to take it as fact. But I could be wrong.

The way that Mr. Eko's name was not mentioned at all during "The Other 48 Days" gives me a weird feeling... like that's not really his name or something. Only time will tell! :biggrin:

They are juxtapositional characters. They have their similarites - hunters, trackers, men of faith. However, Locke RECEIVES the use of his legs frm the island. Eko freely OFFERS UP the use of his voice. In the case of these guys, eko is definitely the light, and Locke is the dark.

And I'm starting to see that AL is their version of Jack ... they both tend to look at the glass being half empty ...


Both very insightful observations. I do think there is a yin/yang quality to the Locke/Eko characters. It will be very interesting to see them meet -- clash of the titans or meeting of the minds. As for AL being like Jack...... only if Jack were Sawyer with a medical degree. (OK, bias on the table: she's my LEAST favourite character at the moment). AL presumed the leadership of the Tailies -- all tough-girl ego and hubris; Jack became the leader (reluctantly) of the lostaways because everyone else placed their trust and faith in him, because he exhibited natural leadership qualities. I agree they are both 'glass half empty' types, but who wouldn't be under the circumstances (...unless your Locke!).

Where does IMDB get their information? Is it official? I think I have seen a lot of people saying that IMDB has been wrong a lot, and not to take it as fact. But I could be wrong.

The way that Mr. Eko's name was not mentioned at all during "The Other 48 Days" gives me a weird feeling... like that's not really his name or something. Only time will tell! :biggrin:
That can be true for many things they post (sad to say) but even the ABC Lost site lists him as "Eko," http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/cast/93544.html
Locke reminds me of Dr.Smith from Lost in Space !

I think there might be more to it then meets the eye. Remember the black and white stones - and the game associated with like begining of time ?

I sort of see a parallel with the skin colors and the roles both characters play or might play out in the series.
Dr. Smith from "Lost in Space"? Never! Now, I don't know if you're referencing the Dr. Smith from the TV show or the film. I never saw the film but watched the TV show when it was new. Dr. Zachary Smith was a coward with a capital "C!" He was weak, spineless, jelly fish that would often risk Wil Smith's life to protect his own. He had no courage at all and even risked killing everyone on the ship by stowing away like he did. He is nothing like Locke in any way, shape or form. Sorry.
Both very insightful observations. I do think there is a yin/yang quality to the Locke/Eko characters. It will be very interesting to see them meet -- clash of the titans or meeting of the minds. As for AL being like Jack...... only if Jack were Sawyer with a medical degree. (OK, bias on the table: she's my LEAST favourite character at the moment). AL presumed the leadership of the Tailies -- all tough-girl ego and hubris; Jack became the leader (reluctantly) of the lostaways because everyone else placed their trust and faith in him, because he exhibited natural leadership qualities. I agree they are both 'glass half empty' types, but who wouldn't be under the circumstances (...unless your Locke!).
Well, with the same slight differences that we see in Locke and Mr. Eko, I think we can see in Jack and AL. Both leaders of their own band, both feel they know what's right, both take over when they feel the need (AL taking the radio when they heard Boone's transmission, Jack taking over the hatch break-in) and even both felt the need to move everyone inland and AL even has some medical training. And now we even see Mr. Eko standing up to her as Locke has taken a stand against Jack (when told not to go into the hatch). I see a lot of similarities between Jack and AL

Only thing is that he spells it Eko (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/combined).


See ... now I view Mr. Eko as the dark because he's more brooding than Locke, he has a much more violent side of him than Locke and he doesn't seem as 'at peace' with himself and the island that Locke does. I really think Eko is the dark and Locke is the light (beyond the physical).

I believe the *opposite* to be true. :smile:

Locke and Eko share the same sense of faith, but they use that faith in opposite ways.

Locke uses it to push forward. It justifies all his bold actions and insistance on discovering the hatch, looking into the eye of the island monster and putting Boone in peril rather than doing what's safe.

But Eko uses faith to hold back. His faith that things "will be OK" (as he tells AL) gives him strength not to talk, not to lose his cool, not to turn on anyone else in his group, and not to give up on Sawyer when he's dying.

Only thing is that he spells it Eko (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/combined).


See ... now I view Mr. Eko as the dark because he's more brooding than Locke, he has a much more violent side of him than Locke and he doesn't seem as 'at peace' with himself and the island that Locke does. I really think Eko is the dark and Locke is the light (beyond the physical).
I believe the *opposite* to be true. :smile:
You see Locke as brooding and more violent than what we've seen from Mr. Eko? Please give me some examples. You feel that Mr. Eko is more at peace with the island than Locke is? Again, please give me some examples.
Locke and Eko share the same sense of faith, but they use that faith in opposite ways.

Locke uses it to push forward. It justifies all his bold actions and insistance on discovering the hatch, looking into the eye of the island monster and putting Boone in peril rather than doing what's safe.

But Eko uses faith to hold back. His faith that things "will be OK" (as he tells AL) gives him strength not to talk, not to lose his cool, not to turn on anyone else in his group, and not to give up on Sawyer when he's dying.
I don't see Locke as using the island to "justify his actions" as much as he believes that those actions are directly from the island. There's a big difference. Locke doesn't need to be justified because he believes that what he does is directed by the island. To need to be justified would show that he didn't really believe what he says he does and has a need to verify his belief. He has no doubt that what he believes is true. Whether or not it is has yet to be shown to him or us ... so no one can truly say that Locke is wrong.

I didn't take Mr. Eko's silence as control but as a self-inflicted type of pennance for what he did. It obviously bothered him and he went into silence to bury it. Perhaps that could be taken as control, and I see that, but I don't know if "control" is actually what he was aiming for. At least that's not how I took his silence ... and that's not how Libby took it either and she's the psychologist.

But they both believe that things will be okay. Locke believes that it will be okay because he believes the Island is good. We've yet to really find out why Mr. Eko believes this but I'm sure we will soon.

I like both of them and I'm anxious to see how the writers will have them react to each other.