I was soooooo disappointed in last night's show.....

There were some interesting moments for sure....the people being snatched from the beach, the revelation about Goodwin and a few other things, but otherwise, it just seemed like a whole lotta fluff.

What do know now that we didn't know last week.....Goodwin was an "other" and infiltrated their group....big whoop....I seem to remember this exact same thing happening LAST YEAR!

Boone was in fact talking to their group on the radio while he was in the wrecked plane....again, big whoop....we already knew that he talked to somone claiming to be another survivor....now we know who it was.......snoooooze!

Ana & Mr. Ecko have a few issues......EVERYONE HAS ISSUES!

The last 10 or 15 minutes of the show was the worst.....forget what the show looked like...the ending montage was beautifully done, but it was a massive waste of time. Did we really need to see Mr. Ecko hit Ana & toss her in the pit...we already knew she was a plant. And I watched that group of people hike across the jungle last week, I didn't want to watch them do it again!

Riddle me this batman.....

Let's all jump in the way-back machine and remeber a time when the hatch & numbers were all the rage....what a giant let down! We all wondered for week & months what was inside the hatch and once we found out....that story line ended ABRUPTLY! There hasn't been a single instance (that I can remember) of follow-up with the hatch & numbers aside from Rose saying she didn't wan't to do their laundry in the hatch....and for the record, that's just moronic. All that build up for the hatch & it has barely affected their lives...someone has to stay in hatch & enter the numbers, but we haven't even seen that.

I'll stop now....I really don't want to bash the show. I've watched every episode & thoroughly enjoyed the vast majority of them, but it really is time to !@#$ or get off the pot! It just seems that writers may not really be all that sure where this story is headed. I get the feeling that they had originally planned for this show to go one season & when it took off, it really caught them unprepared. I would much rather have one or two really, really good seasons of a show rather than 5 mediocre years.

Just my .02 cents....

Geez, just give them time. They can't possibly cover every aspect of this show every week. Right now, they're giving us background on the other group. Right now, they're following the Sayid/Shannon/AnaLucia storyline.

There ARE a lot of dangling threads, but I have faith that they will get back to them eventually.

If they had talked about the hatch last night, you probably would have been still wondering if it was Ana for sure that shot Shannon. :::shrug:::

I couldn't disagree more. I loved this episode and thought it was well thought out. Of course there were going to be SOME similarities to what the original cast went through, they're dealing with the same situation on the same island with the same Dharma Initiative and "The Others", but there was just enough "new" to make it interesting. Further more, I think the bigger problem is everyone got so used to "big reveals" that now that is what we expect with each episode.

My only complaint is that the "extended" stuff was stuff we had already seen, which was kind of silly, though I was happy that they showed the Ana/Shannon thing 'cause at least that way they killed off the speculation.

As for the plan for the show, on the extra features disc of season 1, the creative team talks about having a plan already in place for a 4 - 5 year run... so don't give up just yet. They're is still plenty to come, I'm certain!

This show's genius is that it tries to give us what we want every week, but it knows better than to gorge us. We just met the Tailies a few weeks ago, and I was wondering what their story was. Now I know. And thankfully, TPTB didn't drag the backstory out for several episodes. Because we have been watching since day one, we can follow along with the Other 48 days and have a good idea of what both groups were doing at what times.

The story is moving along at the pace of a really good novel. Set up the story, then add another element and another and another. You can't read about five story lines at once, but a good author knows how to intertwine those story lines to make everything fit at the end.

Just my humble opinion.

I think they intentionally mirrored the losties with the tallies...the man with the injured leg...Nathan=Ethan...Goodwin in the group...Rose=Bernard...Chicken and boar...the other white meat...monster terroizing versus Other's terrorizing...

This episode...from the plane crashing into the ocean...to the end montage was incredible.

I do agree they need to answer more questions they spiked from last year and stop introducing new mysteries..things are going to get lost on the treadmill here soon.

I think they are going to get back to the hatch next week and finally address a lot of issues...

MVO: I couldn't disagree with you more. This was a great episode! They answered some vital questions, we got a great action packed glimpse of the other side, and we know who killed Shannon without weeks of wondering.

Don't read these board too much, the theories never live up to the reality of the show. The show can't be DHARMA and Numbers every episode, plus the show is still about what it was meant to be about from the get-go: a human drama. It's about the interplat of characters placed in an mysterious and hostile environment. It's not the X-Files.

Cheer up mate!

I thought the show was GREAT...beginning to end! I loved how they started it...w/ the shots of the beach...calm & beautiful...then you start hearing the plane...and bits & pieces coming down...EXCELLENT! Even though i knew pretty much what was going to happen, I was on the edge of my seat. It was very exciting. I liked that they mirrored alot of what the main group went thru. And the the recap at the end leads us right back to where we were at the end of last week. Next week will probably be one of the best of this season IMO. Not from a "what do the numbers mean, what is the monster point of view" but from the character interaction point of view. It will be explosive. You know...if they didnt actually show what happened to the tailies...people would be complaining, "well...we still dont know what happened to the tailes the 1st 48 days. Sometimes they just cant please everyone. But...they did please me.

It just seems that the story has stopped moving forward....

The first part of last night's show was pretty good...it moved along at a nice clip, they gave us some history for the tailaways and then it just got stuck in the mud.

I really don't expect everything to be laid out in front of me, but there has to be some kind of arc to the story and it seems like they keep losing their way.

Storylines...

Hatch...dropped
Numbers...dropped
Danielle....dropped
Desmond...dropped
Lock's weirdness....dropped
Security System...dropped
Black Roc....dropped
Charlie's addiction....mostly dropped. If a recovering addict finds a never ending stash of drugs, he's either going to go on a magnificent bender or get rid of them instantly...not carry it around for two weeks.

I'm sure that I've forgotten a few, but you get the idea.

I love the flashbacks...they're about the only thing that helps move the story along...everytime we see the survivors on the island, it's all just fluff.

...Let's all jump in the way-back machine and remember a time when the hatch & numbers were all the rage....what a giant let down! We all wondered for week & months what was inside the hatch and once we found out....that story line ended ABRUPTLY!
omg, I totally DISAGREE. I think LOST does the impossible and becomes more compelling, gripping and rivetting with each episode. If I were any more rivetted, I would be inside my TV screen, on the island itself! That's what this show does, is TOTALLY immerse me in its incredibly intricate, deep and well-developed storylines and plots until I am completely, wonderfully, INVOLVED! Dat's art, baby! As for the hatch storyline "ending abruptly", boy howdy, it has just begun!!!! There was "an incident"! What incident? What of this execute button, what is really going on there? What of all the other stations in the Dharma Initiative? What is really the deal with Desmond, I am so not buying his story! And on and on and on my questions go! Again, if I were any more into this show, I would actually BE in Hawaii, on that island, heading into "Dark Territory" to mine for clues!

Loving it!

Edited to include the following P.S.:

P.S.! We just posted at virtually the same time, with your second post (just above this one) appearing to my wondering eyes just after I posted this, so let me add: All those things you just listed as being "dropped" are, in fact, JUST GETTING STARTED!!!!! The creators want this show to last for years (yay/thank goodness!!!), so they can't reveal everything in just a few episodes, nor would I want them to. Plus, I loooooove how the character development and storylines just get deeper and deeper and more and more complex. It is extraordinary to have such fascinating, well-developed, multi-faceted characters on a TV show, ditto for the plots, and I love it! I think the pace of the storylines is just right: not too fast, not too slow, just perfect to keep me on the edge of my proverbial seat!

That's just it!

We get beat to death with one storyline for a few weeks getting us all worked up and then the bottom falls out & we're left standing around with our "junk" in our hands.

I totally agree that there's more to come with reagards to the hatch, but in the meanwhile, we're going to be introduced to 7 more storylines. At some point, it stops moving forward and starts going in a circle and we're left chasing our tails.

Believe me, I do love this show, but I think they've lost their way (excuse the pun).

I thought last nights show was awesome. I've learned that you have to have patience when watching LOST. The unanswered questions will be dealt with at some point. THAT is what keeps me wanting more.

If you really think about it, this is brilliant writing. It's highly addictive. I can't say that about any other show I've ever watched.

I loved last nights epi! I have now started to care for the new cast members and I am excited to see how they fit in with the original cast, ie: have they all ran across eachother as well? Spoke to a friend this morning about Lost and she said that Goodwin reminded her of Locke a little....I kinda took offense to that statement. I don't think he reminded me of Locke at all....

But thats part and parcel of having a big, sweeping story with a big cast. Imagine if there was an episode which followed all plot threads in a single hour. The show would be a disaster, flitting around the place, and in the end nothing would be revealed or developed properly anyway.

The first three episodes were almost exclusively Dharma/hatch, the recent few have been mainly about the tailies, and now everyones reuniting, I'm sure we'll be moving back into hatch territory again, with some survivor tension/angst thrown in as well as a result of Shannon's death.

It's better to stick with something and develop it properly than try to do too much at once, especially on a show like Lost. That said, I'd prefer it no more major mysteries were introduced and the creators focused on developing the ones they've established, while continuing to push the characters into new territory.

This entire season has been a great big letdown. Repetitive storylines, constant flashbacks to previous island moments, no questions answered, no character development, etc.

*yawn*

I almost don't care when it's Wednesday anymore.

i think there's a definite chance that this show could lose it's way and just get bogged down (after all, ultimate authority for it IS in disney's hands)

however, i really dug last nights episode. we now have 4 new main characters (maybe 5 if the stewardess shows up again) and it's necessarry to give them some face time before integrating them totally into the show...in order to explain why they're so skittish and weird compared to the other group. i think it was a necesarry step and a really good episode taboot...

But thats part and parcel of having a big, sweeping story with a big cast. Imagine if there was an episode which followed all plot threads in a single hour. The show would be a disaster, flitting around the place, and in the end nothing would be revealed or developed properly anyway. .
Exactamundo!!! This show is "epic", as in, a very deep, well-developed, complex story with many deep, complex sub-stories orbitting around that like a veritable solar system of a tale. Make that a veritable UNIVERSE.

Think of your favorite book. Would you want it and/or the characters within it reduced down to anything less than it truly is when made into a movie or TV show? No, blasphemy, but that is usually what happens! What the creators of LOST are doing is wonderful, as the venue of a serialized TV show allows for incredible development of characters and stories, yet that is very rarely what actually happens in television. With LOST, it is what is happening and that is precisely why fans love and appreciate it so much! At least, that is why this fan loves and appreciates it so much. It doesn't reduce, it doesn't condescend or dumb down, it just keeps deepening and deepening, drawing us further and further into this fascinating universe of interrelated stories and characters, combining into one very intricate and "epic" story. Think of a beautiful Persian rug, with many beautiful individual colors and threads and designs, all combining into one gorgeous, dazzling pattern that completely draws you in. Would you want it simpler? I wouldn't.

I hear what you're saying, MVO. I've been dissapointed with this season but have to admit that the last two episodes have reeled me back some. I was actually pretty happy with last nights episode and thought the biggest revelation was a simple sentence uttered by Goodwin referring to Nathan: "he's a bad guy, thats why he wasn't on the list" or something to that effect which seems to suggest that the others are only interested in good people.

But while I admit to liking the last two episodes, overall, the second season has been a real let-down for me so I understand how you feel.

I can understand why people are disappointed. In most shows,we might get point A, B, and C before A is answered ,but Lost is throwing out the entire alphabet.
On answer is just going to lead to more questions. What is the hatch? answer : part of the Dharma Initative Question: What is Dharma? and so on and so on
Soon people will forget about Ethan, the monster security system and a lot of other Season 1 plots.

Great show. Tiesd up a lot of ends and now we are ready for the new beginning of the group being together...I can't wait for the next show.

And thankfully, TPTB didn't drag the backstory out for several episodes.

Agreed. They could have spent five episodes on the tailies and did not. I hope this bodes well and that the pace of the show will start picking up.

Stop watching and complaining then!

TOTALLY AGREE!! They could have really dragged out the tallies lives for 48 days...after all it took a whole season and then some to tell it from the fusies side. And as far as this "I hate AL" deal that some have...hello....if you went thru an infiltration of your camp and had a spy feeding the other info, wouldn't you be a hard a$$ too??? I know I would be.

I am really looking forward to seeing the interaction of the 2 groups! And seeing Rose and Bernard and Jin and Sun reunite!!

I have to agree with MVO - Lost is losing me too.
This is my first post I love the show and don't want to bash but this season I feel like I'm watching the Michelle Rodriguez show.
The hatch/others stuff is ok but I really dislike the introduction of the back row passengers. The old story lines that held me - the sawyer/kate/jack triangle - the power struggle between locke and jack have been non existent this season. I don't want to invest in these new poeple they don't interest me.
Also trying to show what happened to the back of the plane the day of the crash was a losing proposition. It seemed like a low budget tv attempt with a few pieces of wreckage strewn on the beach, no special effects, no blood,etc... just not believable.

I also miss the darkness of things that happened in season 1- like jack mercy killing the marshall or charlie hanging. That was hardcore for an 8pm network show. Nothing that's happened this season has had the same impact for me.

Well, MVO... I hope you enjoy whatever show you decide to watch instead of Lost. Sorry that this didn't do it for you. I hear there are shows like CSI and Law & Order that start and wrap up all mysteries within the course of ONE episode! That'll be a relief for you!

Take care. See you on those other message boards (or not)

I agree with the original sentiment of this thread. The writers just keep pilling on more and more mysteries. More and more questions, about the island, about the character's past lives, about all the people on the island. Yet we are still not getting real answers for anything. I need a release with this show. It's getting hard to keep track of all the things I don't know to the point that I don't care what I find out because I can't remember everything I wanted to find out.

Also, I kind of hate how much time the tallies have taken away from the characters I have already come to know and love so much. I want my favorite characters back.

I loved the Tailie's story, and I think it shows the strength of this show in that we can have an entire episode about non-main characters and it is still riveting. I'm looking forward to spending more time with all of them, and I have a lot more confidence that if and when the bring any background characters to the foreground that they will be equally interesting and compelling.

This entire season has been a great big letdown. Repetitive storylines, constant flashbacks to previous island moments, no questions answered, no character development, etc.

*yawn*

I almost don't care when it's Wednesday anymore.

Exactly what I was thinking. My husband is now watching Criminal Minds and so are my friends. They can't stand the fact that some of the questions the writers themselves raised in the first season is not getting answered. More questions are being raise than answered. While last nights episode was not bad. But what gets me is now we are stuck with more characters, and the losties stories are being deviated to make room for the tailies. It's too confusing, and getting hard to keep up with. If they don't watch it they may lose me as a viewer too. I don't like my shows to be like that.

Don't misunderstand me....I haven't totally given up on the show, but I'm not getting as excited about new episodes as I used to.

I have no problem with the introduction of the new characters, and again, I thought the first half of last nights episode was done very well. I'm just not sure that they needed to devote so much time to things we already know, while ignoring the things we need to know more about...all the while, tacking on new things.

I'd just like to see the story move forward & I'm not really sure we're going to see that anytime soon.

Next week for example.....OK, so Ana shot Shannon, Sayid is obviously pretty upset about this & may even want to bitch smack her (but who doesn't), but what is this really going to do for the show....nothing...it's just a cheap way to create some generic conflict that will take up the entire hour with maybe a tidbit of other information tossed to keep everyone from getting totally restless.

I still like the show, but I really feel like the creative team may be spinning their tires a little....maybe they're spreading themselves too thin in their professional lives, or maybe they just haven't decided where they're going with this whole thing yet.....I don't know.

I'd just like to see the story take some steps forward...

Don't misunderstand me....I haven't totally given up on the show, but I'm not getting as excited about new episodes as I used to.

I have no problem with the introduction of the new characters, and again, I thought the first half of last nights episode was done very well. I'm just not sure that they needed to devote so much time to things we already know, while ignoring the things we need to know more about...all the while, tacking on new things.

I'd just like to see the story move forward & I'm not really sure we're going to see that anytime soon.

Next week for example.....OK, so Ana shot Shannon, Sayid is obviously pretty upset about this & may even want to smack her (but who doesn't), but what is this really going to do for the show....nothing...it's just a cheap way to create some generic conflict that will take up the entire hour with maybe a tidbit of other information tossed to keep everyone from getting totally restless.

I still like the show, but I really feel like the creative team may be spinning their tires a little....maybe they're spreading themselves too thin in their professional lives, or maybe they just haven't decided where they're going with this whole thing yet.....I don't know.

I'd just like to see the story take some steps forward...

It's a great show! Look at anyhting else on Wednesday night, nothing compares. It is a great show. Every show has ups and downs, the people who write it are human beings. If we expect perfection every episode we are all going to be let down. Look for another show that gives you as much as this one, despite the thingsthat bother us, and let me know. Otherwise I am going to ignore all the bashing and focus on the great show I love, and be thankful they wrote any of it.

I'm really surprised people are disappointed in this season. I feel like it's been a whirlwind tour so far, from the hatch to tail survivors to Shannon getting killled. I think a lot has happened and more questions have been introduced. And yes, questions have been answered (The hatch for crying out loud).

When I think of last season (which I loved), where we had episodes that centered around Sawyer chasing a boar and Jack convincing people to move to the caves, this season seems so much more exciting.

Plus, the fun part is journey, to me at least. I don't want all the answers spilled in a short period of time.

Hatch...dropped


Not really. With last night's clear showing of Arrow station, this makes Swan station even more intresting :)


Numbers...dropped


The producers have already told us there is no explanation for the numbers...Stop dwelling and move on like we have.


Danielle....dropped


Danielle only appeared in 4 episodes last year...I'm starting to believe YOU never watched Lost before.


Desmond...dropped


He ran off. On an island. He'll be back.


Lock's weirdness....dropped


What weirdness? Last we saw him he was talking to Claire about the baby. If anybody was weird in season 2 it was Shannon (seeing Walt).


Security System...dropped


Remember we do not know why the security system comes out. Even so, it only appeared in 5 episodes last season.


Black Roc....dropped


It's an abandoned ship. What more storyline could you possibly do with it right now when everyone is in the caves or on the beach???


Charlie's addiction....mostly dropped. If a recovering addict finds a never ending stash of drugs, he's either going to go on a magnificent bender or get rid of them instantly...not carry it around for two weeks.


Now I'm sure you never watched LOST before. Charlie has had the statue for 3 days, not 2 weeks.

FINAL CONCLUSION: You don't watch or don't understand this show.

Nuff said!

I only got around to watching the show tonight, but I guess I am also part of the few that found this episode a bit disappointing. For me, it was the sorry performance by the Others. I can definitely see Ecko taking out two of them but I didn't buy Ana-Lucia's good fortune for one second. It just made the Others seem like a joke. Yeah, they took 9 or more people, but they way they have been building up the tail section's plight, it seems like it should have been much worse. The Others are supposed to be really menacing, but they are always easily defeated. Jack's ridiculous solo victory over Ethan is one example. They made him out to be so physically tough when he took Charlie and Claire, but then he was a joke when Jack encountered him. Still less disappointing than Ana Lucia fighting off Goodwin.

While I have never liked Ana-Lucia for various reasons, this episode just solidifies her as a one dimensional character. They need to do something with her soon.

I guess the producers realized their mistake when they showed us too much repetitive footage from the first three episodes. They just decided to claim that this was a special extended episode to fit in the unnecessary montage. That, and every time they changed day, they went to a black screen for a few seconds. The episode could have easily ended with Libby and Cindy finding Jin on the beach.

Music805, something in your post has been bugging me since yesterday, so I want to ask you for more details if you don't mind. You mention that:

...The producers have already told us there is no explanation for the numbers...Stop dwelling and move on like we have.
I have not heard or read anything about the creative team at LOST saying "there is no explanation for the numbers". On the contrary, for me as a fan, this is one of the central mysteries on the show and in each episode, there continue to be things that have to do with the numbers, so it doesn't seem to me at all like the folks producing LOST want that mystery to die on the vine. On the contrary, it just keeps seeming more and more central and fascinating. So, my Q to you is: what exactly did the producers say and/or do you have a link or reference to an article or something so I can see this? Thanks in advance for any further light you can shed on this, as I for one am still totally obsessed with the numbers and what they mean.

I think what Music805 was talking about came from this thread and article:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=26161

I can sorta agree although I still really like the show... The writers are exploiting my attention deficit disorder in a major way. :P

Charlie's addiction....mostly dropped. If a recovering addict finds a never ending stash of drugs, he's either going to go on a magnificent bender or get rid of them instantly...not carry it around for two weeks.


this might be why it's so frustrating for you to watch. i don't think the characters are experiencing all of these events over weeks- more like a few days. i think the beginning of this season to now is just eight days on the island. if not less.

this might be why it's so frustrating for you to watch. i don't think the characters are experiencing all of these events over weeks- more like a few days. i think the beginning of this season to now is just eight days on the island. if not less.

I think this is the most important statement in this thread! The way the show deals with time management seems to confuse some. The whole first season covered a month long period (give or take). Things happen slowly, and that gives the writers time to create and eventually tie up all the loose ends!

I think what Music805 was talking about came from this thread and article:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=26161
omg, pibbsneaker, thankyou so much for posting that link! I found within your link the quote from Damon L. that Music805 must have been referring to, and I am in shock over here! Utter, total disbelief and shock. I can't believe that Damon L. himself said that...the meaning of the numbers is something that will never be revealed. I can't believe it! I hope he is just having some fun with us, as I can't believe they would lead us down the garden path on such a seemingly central issue to the show!

For once I'm speechless. Thanks again for the link...I think. In shock, OUT.

Yeah, not knowing what the numbers mean has all sorts of implications. Personally, I'm fine with that aspect especially since I adhere to the faith and supernatural aspects of the show. Somethings are better left up to the imagination. But I can totally see how it could be frustrating.


Anyways, Jocko was the one who first posted the info. Thanks to him!

Who cares what the numbers mean? Do they need to explain why the soccor players in the airport had the numbers on their shirts in the airport with Hurley in order to enjoy the show? To me the numbers are such a small deal. We went a long way this season just learning the numbers have to be entered into a computer every 108 minutes. I don't feel that I need much more of an explanation. When TPTB spoke of the numbers having significance last year, that may have been all there was to the surprise. At this point, there won't be more about their "meaning" until they can think of something more. Even if that's it, I'm ready to move on to other mysteries. Like why doesn't Jack's hair grow like the rest of theirs? :-)

Yeah, not knowing what the numbers mean has all sorts of implications. Personally, I'm fine with that aspect...
Well, I gotta say: I'm NOT, not, not, not, oh-so-NOT fine with it!!!* I have to assume, seriously, that DL was toying with us, kidding us, having a spot of fun at our expense? Otherwise the universe no longer makes any sense!
:eek: :confused:

* P.S. To clarify, I AM fine with not knowing what they mean, but I'm NOT fine with them having no meaning and/or with their meaning NEVER being revealed to us, ever! In short, I'm not fine with DL's quote about the numbers in the link you were nice enough to provide for me (thanks again, btw). Not fine, not fine, no fineness here! None to be found!

I think what he meant by his statement about the numbers having no explanation is that as things stand right now, they are not trying to come up with one. That doesn't mean they won't think of something next year (or the next) and most people will be none the wiser that he ever said he didn't know. Not everything was decided on day one, alot of it they come up with as they go, despite a general road map of a master plan. Who cares if as of today they don't have an answer for the numbers? Stay tuned and see.

Is it Wednesday yet?

Who cares what the numbers mean? Do they need to explain why the soccor players in the airport had the numbers on their shirts in the airport with Hurley in order to enjoy the show?
At some point, YES!

To me the numbers are such a small deal. We went a long way this season just learning the numbers have to be entered into a computer every 108 minutes. I don't feel that I need much more of an explanation. When TPTB spoke of the numbers having significance last year, that may have been all there was to the surprise.
omg, I feel like George Bailey in "It's a Wonderful Life"! The world as I know it has changed into some unrecognizable, awful nightmare that I can't wake up from! The numbers are a "small deal"? They are, like, key to everything! Everything, I tell youzzz! Did I mention EVERYTHING? Okay, I am now officially incoherent with shock and fever induced by the DL quote. So I must stop posting at this point and get some quinine and/or a rabies shot or something to fix myself up, or at least to enable me to go on in such a cruel, cruel, SENSELESS excuse for a universe!
:fear2: :shock1:

P.S. Just need to be really clear on something before I go for my quinine-n-rabies shot *lol*: I'm not saying I need an explanation today, tomorrow, this season, or even in the next few seasons. But I'm saying that I need for there to BE an explanation!!!!! I don't need to know what it is, but I need it to be there! DL seemed to be saying that there is no explanation and he is surprised that people keep asking for the meaning of the numbers. Again, he has GOT to be joshing/jesting/joking/kidding/ribbing us...right? Right! Or perhaps pacejunkie is right and he just meant that there is no explanation as of right now, ...but it is implied some kinda how some kinda where that there will be one at some point?

Help me, Clarence! Help me! I want to live again!

Jeez dude, lay off the caffeine. It's gonna be okay.

Is it Wednesday yet?

Just my .02 cents....

Since everyone else seems to be handleing everything else you said just fine, I think I'll deal with your above statement. I'm sure you were trying to say "my two cents." What you infact said was, "my two hundreth of a cent."

This is a pet peeve of mine. I've tried to pay a penny for a hamburger at a place advertising .99 cent hamburgers. Needless to say I got treated like I was the stupid one! Go figure.

What a world.

That's my $0.02

Jeez dude, lay off the caffeine. It's gonna be okay.

Is it Wednesday yet?
LOL, and if you mean me, I'm a double x chromosome set, fyi. And I have had quite a bit of very strong green tea today, now that you mention it. But the fact remains that, if there is truly no explanation for the numbers, life as we know it has ceased to make even the modicum of sense it made before.

Off to find quinine and a rabies vaccine, OUT.

And I have had quite a bit of very strong green tea today, now that you mention it.

Green tea? No way. Just finished drinking a cup of Oolong myself. Wonder if we'll ever find out what that means? :)


"What separates us from these savage yanks if we can't drink tea?"-CP

Green tea? No way. Just finished drinking a cup of Oolong myself. Wonder if we'll ever find out what that means? :)

:whoa:

I am drinking a cup of Earl Grey right now!! And I'm not even British!!

:whoa:
I am drinking a cup of Earl Grey right now!! And I'm not even British!!

This is getting weirder and weirder...Much more compelling than the numbers :)

The numbers are an easter egg. That's the point of them. They appear on shirts and people's phrases because its an inside joke. There is no cosmilogical reasoning for this and I think Damon was addressing this so people didnt get just absolutely pissed when they never "revealed" what they were. If you think about it, other than the silly visual numbers we see like on car dashboards, shirts, etc, the numbers have sort of been explained already. Their source hasnt, but Hurley knowing them and how he came to know them has. He won the lottery with them, but as we can see from watching the show, there is a balance in between faith and science. Either these numbers are "magical" or its "all coincidence".

They arent EVER going to specify which of these it is. That would alienate half of the audience's views of what the show is.

The numbers serve a purpose, but they arent going to be "explained" because there's really no explanation. The visual clues and some other instances of them turning up are simply easter eggs.

On the cartoon She-Ra, there was a character that used to hide in every episode. At the end, he would show you where he hid. Did this serve a purpose? No, its simply an easter egg.

In The Amazing Spiderman issues 300+ (drawn by Todd McFarlane who later moved onto Spawn), Felix the cat is in every single issue. Sometimes hes on someones clothes, and sometimes hes actually in the comic hiding behind something. It's just an easter egg.

In any Sam Raimi movie, you can see his beige car. In Spiderman, its Uncle Ben's car (the one that gets carjacked). In Army of Darkness its Ash's car. It's in all his movies.

The only reason they "hide" this stuff in there is for an inside joke with the fans. If you are a real fan of a show, they know you are looking for these things so they put them there. There is no real "magic" reason why they are there.

I think Damon wants to address this fact.

That's my $0.02.

Thanks, sier! Well said and spot on.

That's my $0.02.

That's better.




More Easter Eggs:

Peter Jackson and his kids were in all three Lord of the Rings movies.

1138 - (the first Numbers phenomenon) In most of the Star Wars movies

Clark constantly wears blue or red on Smallville

Errr... sorry Sier, but there's a slight difference between the She-Ra and Spiderman and 1138 that Lucas hides in all his movies. Those WERE just easter eggs for sharp eyed fans. The NUMBERS are a key element of the Lost Mythology as presented to us. The Numbers on the soccer players? Easter Egg. The Numbers on the side of the hatch? The Numbers that they have to physically type in every 108 minutes? The Numbers Hurley used to win a lottery? The Numbers that drew Danielle to the island? These are NOT hidden clues.

I think the biggest clue as to the creative team's view of the Numbers is the comment one of them made about how they were surprised at how much the audience latched onto the Numbers and how popular it was. They decided to increase the importance of the Numbers and really add them into the mythology (paraphrasing). That almost leads me to think that the Numbers were meant to be more of a throwaway gag that got boosted to greater prominence. It's like a background character on a TV show becoming so popular that he becomes one of the main cast.

It probably started it's life (the Numbers) as a sort of Twilight Zone "wouldn't it be weird if a combination of numbers was cursed?" sort of idea. And now, they are having to deal with integrating them into the Mythology somehow. I'm guessing they haven't figured out a way to satisfactorily do it yet which precipitated the comment from DL.

Is it just me that the "easter egg" explanation is not acceptable to? The numbers have been consistently and prominently featured as a MAIN mystery on the show, and we have been very much led to believe that there should be an explanation. I personally would prefer an explanation within the bounds of natural science, but I'm open to any explanation as to their power and constant appearance in the lives of the Lostaways. And I don't need to know what that explanation is. I'm good to go for years to come here NOT knowing. That isn't what my freakout session here is about. I don't need the explanation revealed, but I can't accept it being revealed that THERE IS NO EXPLANATION. (And I would have spoiler-fonted that as I did in my original post in this thread on this issue, but no one else seems to be spoiler-fonting this, so I take it no one but me seems to think this is any kind of HUMONGOUS deal revealation and, even if they do, too late, no one is spoiler-fonting, so it seems silly for me to at this point when I'd be the only one in the thread doing so.) I mean, let me just put this very bluntly: It would not be acceptable to this passionate fan of LOST if there is no rhyme or reason to the numbers when, since day one, they keep appearing in the lives of the Lostaways, on the hatch, on Hurley's Lotto ticket, etc., etc., etc., on and on and on. "Easter Egg"? If so, WHY? If so, I feel manipulated and led down a garden path for no reason. I still say Damon just had to be kidding in some deadpan way. Like sort of teasing us because he knows how important the numbers are and that, if he said the meaning will never be revealed and he is surprised people keep asking about it, everyone would think that was so hilarious, and it would be sort of a funny poke at how obsessed the fans are? Well, sorry, I love Damon L., but I'm not laughing over here right now.

And I'm not the type of fan who gets all bent out of shape if some mystery is revealed to be not quite--or not at all--what I thought it would be, such as "the black rock". Okay, so it wasn't what I thought, that's okay. I'm not at the helm of this ship, the creators and creative team are, and being surprised sometimes with things being other than how I expect them is just fine and wonderful. I am also willing to wait EONS for any given mystery to be resolved. I want LOST to go on for years and years and years, I want it to be one of the most long-running series in TV history, heck, I want it to be THE longest-running drama in TV history. Therefore, I'm all about waiting, I have time. I like the current pace of the show. Things are not revealed too fast or too slow. There are many ongoing mysteries and that is fine. As some are resolved, new ones can spring up. All well and good and actually FABULOUS. But if you are gonna tell me that basically THE central mystery, or one of the BIGGIES, anyway, of the entire show is just some sort of "easter egg", a.k.a., a red herring, then I just HAVE to say that even I--and I do consider myself as much of a LOST fan as a person can get--will be very unhappy with that.

As of now, I'm choosing to believe that DL is "yanking our chain". Has to be.

Okay has everyone forgotten one important thing? It has only been 48 days on that island. There is no way they can solve all those riddles in 48 days. It is a show to enjoy, so go along with the ride and enjoy it! At least we do know the numbers add up to 108 (108 minutes for that timer thingy in the hatch) and we do know there purpose is to be punched into a computer, that is a heck of a lot more we know than we did last season. The others we know they like khaki, they go with no shoes, and for some reason when their around whispering starts. Granted it is not a lot but that is what adds to the fun of the show. If this next episode gave us all the answers than what fun would it be to watch the show. All I can say is patience is a virtue and though I do find myself wanting to know the answers to all of these questions that MVO posted I also do know I enjoy this show too much and would rather have the fun of watching it and speculating my own theories until I get the answers instead of just getting all of the answers now and not have a show to watch anymore.

P.S. Just need to be really clear on something before I go for my quinine-n-rabies shot *lol*: I'm not saying I need an explanation today, tomorrow, this season, or even in the next few seasons. But I'm saying that [B]I need for there to BE an explanation!!!!![!


I really get what you're saying. My thing is that I'm ok with a lack of explanation as long as the characters don't ever know what the numbers mean. In my opinion the audience should only know as much as the characters. If it is a complete mystery to the characters then I think that it is really good tv that they never reveal what they mean to the audience; even if they never had an expalanation in the first place.

Some of you guys are totally missing what I'm saying here.

The numbers on the hatch are not an easter egg. The numbers hurley uses to win the lottery are not an easter egg. The numbers that Danielle has on her papers are not an easter egg. The numbers used on the computer are not an easter egg.

Every other visual occurance of the numbers is pretty much an easter egg.

The numbers arent some cosmological occurance. There is a real *reason and explanation* for them that has already been made.

Danielle has the numbers because they were broadcast.

Hurley has the numbers because they were broadcast, Sam Toomey and Lenny heard them, Hurley knew Lenny.

The only thing that hasnt been explained is the *reason* for them. When it comes out that they are station numbers or something like that, the number "mythology" is dead, except for the easter eggs and Hurley's paranoia..haha.

Like you said before, the first thing that tipped me off that the numbers werent that important was TPTB's comments about how surprised they were that people were trying to figure them out. They obviously semi-randomly picked the numbers, so its not numerology. They simply arent magical. They do serve a purpose and, like i said, a *real* occurance of them is NOT an easter egg.

But if you are expecting the numbers on shirts and pill bottles and everything else to be explained I think youll be disappointed. It's all easter eggs for fans.

I should have clarified myself a bit more, but there are two different types of "numbers" im referring to. One are*real* occurances of them, like the computer code, the hatch, the lottery ticket, and the broadcast. The others are on the dashboard of hurley's car, on people's shirts in airports, on signs, etc. These arent going to be revelead as anything more than easter eggs.

Know what I mean?

Like I said, I'm good to go with not knowing the answer to the numbers mystery for now, for this season, for the next five seasons, but I am NOT good to go with the possibility (which seems pretty dern probable from the DL quote) that, guess what, we "can't possibly imagine" how we will ever answer that question! WHAT? I know **I** can't possibly imagine how, and that is part of the fun and suspense of the show, but I thought **you** (the creators) could not only imagine it but HAD, in fact, imagined it and figured it all out (about the meaning of the numbers) before season one ever hit the air!

Before this numbers thing came up, I was arguing passionately in this thread about how much I LIKE all the mysteries and how there is no rush to solve anything, things are going along at a good pace. So, for the people who can't wade through this entire huge thread and are just seeing the last page or so and thinking maybe I am one of the ones complaining about LOST "losing me", it is not so, I first came into this thread to say how much I LOVE the show and how the pace of everything seems just right. But this thing about DL's statement about the numbers mystery is a horse of a different color. There is just NO way that it can be okay with y'all if the numbers HAVE NO MEANING...is there? I mean, am I dreaming, here? The numbers mystery has been presented to us by the creators as one of the central, key things in the entire show, so that is how I took it, as a central, key thing. Now y'all are saying it is okay with you if it is an "Easter Egg"?

:lipsseal: :lipsseal: :lipsseal:

I agree that they have to answer WHY these numbers. Why these numbers were being broadcast from the island and why they are on the hatch. But I dont think there is a "why" as to why they keep occuring in flashbacks and in random spots.

Some of you guys are totally missing what I'm saying here....I should have clarified myself a bit more, but there are two different types of "numbers" im referring to. One are*real* occurances of them, like the computer code, the hatch, the lottery ticket, and the broadcast. The others are on the dashboard of hurley's car, on people's shirts in airports, on signs, etc. These arent going to be revelead as anything more than easter eggs. Know what I mean?
Oh, okay, that does clarify what you meant and I do know what you mean about the distinction and I guess it would be okay with me if some of the occurrances have been "Easter Eggs", as long as there is a meaning/significance to the "real" occurances. But they have thrown so MANY occurrances at us in so many situations that it is virtually impossible for me to believe that there isn't some power and significance to pretty much ALL the occurances, some explanation, although I never knew how they'd "get there", explanation-wise, for ones like people running by with numbers on, or Hurley's dashboard, or the time on clocks, or any of the HUNDREDS of other occurrances.

I get the distinction between an explanation for the major, concrete occurances and the sort of "we're just toying with you" occurrances, and I'd be okay with just the number sequence having some significance. But, I dunno. I just...don't like that DL quote, I don't like it, don't like it, I tell yazzz. :undecide:

AND, in the Swan Station hatch, "108" (the total of the sequence, of course) is featured prominently in some art on the wall, like maybe they (the others) revere that number, which turns out to be considered an important, sacred number in Buddhism (as in "Dharma"), etc. There just has to be SOME meaning to the numbers. There couldn't be all these "concrete" occurrances, so to speak, and the numbers not have any meaning. Even if the explanation is totally different from anything we've been led to contemplate, even if it ultimately seems sort of a "let down", it just has to BE THERE. I mean, why are the numbers on the hatch, broadcast over the military radio, on the wall, on Hurley's Lotto ticket, ETC., ...is it just me *lol*?

I can see I'm going to have to go to that island myself and figure this out...oh, wait, it's a TV show...I forgot for a second! It certainly does grip me, which is a tribute to how engrossingly wonderful it is. The mystery of the numbers can go on for years, far as I'm concerned (although I'd love to know RIGHT NOW *lol*) ...just as long as there is, ultimately, some explanation!

Oh, okay, that does clarify what you meant and I do know what you mean about the distinction and I guess it would be okay with me if some of the occurrances have been "Easter Eggs", as long as there is a meaning/significance to the "real" occurances. But they have thrown so MANY occurrances at us in so many situations that it is virtually impossible for me to believe that there isn't some power and significance to pretty much ALL the occurances, some explanation, although I never knew how they'd "get there", explanation-wise, for ones like people running by with numbers on, or Hurley's dashboard, or the time on clocks, or any of the HUNDREDS of other occurrances.

I get the distinction between an explanation for the major, concrete occurances and the sort of "we're just toying with you" occurrances, and I'd be okay with just the number sequence having some significance. But, I dunno. I just...don't like that DL quote, I don't like it, don't like it, I tell yazzz. :undecide:

Hahaha, yeah I can understand that. After a few months last season I just gave up trying to understand the numbers because I just *know* the explanation on the show will be "we picked those because we like apples" and I would be *super* disappointed..haha. I do hope they give an explanation as to what the numbers mean when it comes to the Dharma Initiative. They seem to be important there (what with stamping them on things, putting them in computer, and then broadcast them). It deserves a bit of explanation!

I agree that they have to answer WHY these numbers. Why these numbers were being broadcast from the island and why they are on the hatch. But I dont think there is a "why" as to why they keep occuring in flashbacks and in random spots.
Fair enough, I will grant youzz eloquent guyzzz that distinction, as I said a nanosecond or three ago. But dern it, at some mythical point, there does have to be a WHY, a meaning, a reason, an explanation for the "big" occurrances of the number sequence (and/or the number sequence total, 108), if not all the medium, small, and microscopic ones. I'm setting my watch for ten years from now and, boy howdy, they'd better have one in the hopper by then!

I enjoyed last nights episode, a whole lot, but the show is still kinda losing me.
Njc---------------

Kind of late to this "party", but here's my 2 cents anyway. . .

I agree that there are two types of "numbers" occurences. The soccer uniforms are pure "Easter Egg" while the lottery win, etching on hatch, etc. are more concrete. The former requires no explanation, but the latter *demands* one. You cannot chalk it up to "coincidence"!

Also, another way of looking at this, Damon may be saying that the *specific* numbers may have no explanation, but the fact that there are *recurring* numbers could be explained. So while the number "4" in itself may be arbitrary (i.e. could have easily chosen "5" instead during their first appearance in season one), the fact that "4" keeps appearing must *mean* something. You know? So when people try to think of why they chose "4", maybe that's off base, but there really *should* be a reason why Dharma uses the same six numbers that miraculously cause Hurley to win $86 million.

Coincidence just doesn't cut it . . .

Kind of late to this "party", but here's my 2 cents anyway. . .

I agree that there are two types of "numbers" occurences. The soccer uniforms are pure "Easter Egg" while the lottery win, etching on hatch, etc. are more concrete. The former requires no explanation, but the latter *demands* one. You cannot chalk it up to "coincidence"!

Also, another way of looking at this, Damon may be saying that the *specific* numbers may have no explanation, but the fact that there are *recurring* numbers could be explained. So while the number "4" in itself may be arbitrary (i.e. could have easily chosen "5" instead during their first appearance in season one), the fact that "4" keeps appearing must *mean* something. You know? So when people try to think of why they chose "4", maybe that's off base, but there really *should* be a reason why Dharma uses the same six numbers that miraculously cause Hurley to win $86 million.

Coincidence just doesn't cut it . . .

Thank you. My world has been rocked by this thread. The numbers and *mysteries* are THE centrel theme to this show. They can not simply be dropped. What shocks me more is the number of posters to this thread that are willing to forget them so quickly. I love this show too people, but enough D.L. and L.L. smooching.