What did you think?

gotta say had me on the edge of my seat. Very good episode

Once again, thanks for the poll Dangerdork.

I voted "Definitely Above Average"...and here's why.

Kate's crime was too predictable. Also, we don't have an explanation as to why she was running since she was ten (see the original BTR episode). I don't think anyone would bother chasing her all the way to Sydney if her crime was killing a man who was abusing her mother. Not believable and quite a bit of a letdown. Her reason for killing dear old dad was pretty odd too. The fact that Sgt. Austen knew his stepdaughter had murder in her heart made us go, "erm, huh?" Why didn't he get her some help? So this was a major minus.

I found the black horse bit cheesy. Kate's island story was just not doing it for me. She was all over the place, apparently she can't cry on cue and the Jack/Kate kiss was just weird. I know they meant it to be hot, like the Sawyer/Kate kiss from last year but it was just very awkward. The only actor on that cast that EL has any chemistry with is JH. This was a minor minus.

The island "hatch" story was fantastic. Locke and Eko were brilliant as was the finding of the missing film inside the bible. Michael came into his own again, finding the blast doors and the final scene where he types into the computer was awesome. This was a superdy dooperdy plus.

Sayid, I mean Naveen's acting tonight was Emmy worthy. His scene at the funeral and then again, when he told Kate he saw Walt was great. Moved me to tears both times. Another superdy dooperdy plus.

Sawyer recovered too quickly and was on his feet too fast, IMHO. Neither a plus nor a minus, just bad continuity.

And, finally, FINALLY, I felt some sympathy for AL this week. Scene with Jack on the beach was quite touching. A little plus.

I Loved it Esp The interaction with Locke and Eko , Eko is the Man I can't wait to see his backstory

One of the better episodes of this season for me. The trailor for the next show looks like things are going to pick up a bit.

I loved this episode. I have really enoyed the last 3 episodes and I was kinda meh about the season until sweeps.:)

Loved this episode and am very excited about the next one... even if I have to wait 6 weeks for it. This one definitely makes it hard to NOT want to watch the next one.

EKO is my favorite character now, and I REALLY hope he doesn't die any time soon... at least have him just disappear in the jungle for a little while... as long as he can come back!

I thought it was EXCELLENT!

Finally...we get a really good Kate centric episode...it only took 3 tries ;)...Not that I've hated her other ones...but this one went above and beyond :)

definitely one of the best episodes in this season. i loved it!

excellent ep tonight... probably my favorite of the season so far... Eko is the freaking man... the scenes with Locke were just great... and that scene at the end with the computer... when Mike saw "hello?", that just about blew my mind... and the "Dad?" was just insane... billiant way to end the ep for the hiatus... i kind of predicted some of Kate's backstory but there were some definite twists in there that i didn't really see coming-- the house blowing up, her REAL father, and the reason she killed him... the scene with Jack and Ana there at the end was pretty good... i actually didn't despise her tonight hehe

A few comments on the above:

I think Locke's reaction to Eko's story was very much in character. He is used to being the only one who believes in things, and his worldview does not seem to be a typical Judeo-Christian one. I would imagine he may have abandoned typical religion when he realized his life was so pathetic. Now he's latched onto a new kind of faith. Besides, what a non-sequitir Eko gave!

Also- I thought Hurley's scene was VERY important. Here's the mental patient psychoanalyzing the doctor. Brilliant. We often see Locke as the one with the wisdom to impart, but it seems that Hurley's travails have given him wisdom as well, and that Jack can be ruled by emotion rather than logic.

I, for one, never wanted to know Kate's crime (at least not for a few seasons), but I was not disappointed. It was emotionally resonant. The fact that her father loves her but sees Wayne's darkness in her; the fact that she is frightened of that darkness within herself; the fact that Mars became so obsessed with Kate- her life, her crimes, her escape that he was willing to travel around the world to track her... and the manifestation of her night mare saving her...

Truly my favorite episode ever...

As I said in another thread here, I thought this episode was most certainly above average. The reason I did not rank it higher than that (it certainly had the potential!) was this:

Kate

Gah. Uninspired performance on her part, and an uninspired story from the writers' parts. Her 'crime' was predictable, boring, and wholely disappointing. After FOUR flashbacks building this up and building this up, it was perhaps the biggest "that's IT?" moment in the show. Not that I didn't forsee this coming, but that doesn't excuse it. I had a small sliver of hope that the writers were sitting on some insanely creative wrinkle to Kate's crime that no one had considered, but, alas, no such luck. Generic, dime-a-dozen, tired reasoning, and they even fumbled through that... I was struggling with the explanation of why she did it, when she knew who the guy was, when her 'father' knew, why he would say she had murder in her heart, ... it was completely sloppy. Not only that, but I couldn't reconcile when this was actually happening in her life. She's had so many backstories which all alluded to something she'd done SO long ago, I couldn't quite figure out when and where this fit into things.

If this had been anyone else's flashback episode, I would likely rank this as one of my favorites of all time. But, as with all of Kate's episodes, Kate's story really, really brought the rest of the episode down.

I agree. The whole Kate flashback was a little too Lifetime-movie-of-the-week. Poor EL, she's obviously trying very hard, but her acting...well... it's just not good. My husband and I ended up chuckling through many her scenes. Especially when she does her serious eyes.

The kiss was actually a little hotter than I was expecting, maybe because I wasn't expecting much.

LOVED Locke and Eko. I like how someone earlier said Eko "out Locked Locke". So true.

And the "Dad?" and the end. Very cool. Things are gonna start happening now. I think they'll get a lot more aggressive in their search for Walt.

I agree. The whole Kate flashback was a little too Lifetime-movie-of-the-week.

Lessee,

Next Wednesday, on Lifetime

Tune in to watch the Reel Life Drama of a corn-fed, Iowa farmgirl with a heart of gold and a father, straight from h@ll who pushes her into the fugitive life of a serial criminal on a never ending crime spree. Starting with his own murder....


Yep, it's Lifetime alright :)

The kiss was actually a little hotter than I was expecting, maybe because I wasn't expecting much.

LOVED Locke and Eko. I like how someone earlier said Eko "out Locked Locke". So true.

And the "Dad?" and the end. Very cool. Things are gonna start happening now. I think they'll get a lot more aggressive in their search for Walt.

THE KISS WAS SOOOOO HOT! Jack is definately hot! I hope to see more of that from Kate and Jack!

Eko is awesome. He seems very wise and spiritual.

I agree about Walt, but what will happen since they used the computer for communication???

I thought this was one of the better episodes too. The interaction of Locke and Eko is fast becoming one of the things I will look forward to. I also realized how much I missed Sawyer's wit. Jin getting the handcuffs off. Michael and the hatch and computer. Kate trying to figure out if she's nuts.
I had sort of figured out what Kate did before the episode even aired. However, I didn't guess the how and why so that was a good payoff for me. I did think, though, that the Marshall was going to turn out to be a brother or something to Wayne. At least that would have better explained his unprofessional behavior in every interaction we've seen of him and Kate. Oh well....
The funeral was so true to what they should do and I'm glad that A-L wasn't there. I think, though, with a singer/musician on the island that Charlie should have played something but that's just me.
I think the only real thing I thought was odd is that Kate didn't say anything to Sun about Jin being back and how happy she must be. That would have really rounded out the show.
I think I need to rewatch it. I always say that after the fastest hour on TV (which is what my husband and I call Lost). :cool:
Great show!!!!!! Can't wait 'til the next one.

Quite a let down IMO....I really thought "What she did" would have been....I don't know, a bit more shocking? The only suprise about it was that Wayne (or was it Wade?) was her pop.

*shrugs*

Loved Sawyers, "Son of a bitch."

Hated the whole Kate flip flop yet AGAIN over Jack or Sawyer Jack or Sawyer Jack or Sawyer Jack or Sawyer Jack or Sawyer Jack or Sawyer COME ON ALREADY! :D

Anywho, was anyone else TOTALLY ticked and wondering "What the heck?" That it took them the entire episode to make Jack and Ana have their first on screen conversation....and the convo they had was utterly uselessly about nothing and only lasted like 8 seconds? WHAT. THE. HECK. That was about as horrible and idiotic a time jump as I think the show has had yet.....all that lead up and last week's ending all for that? So....what, are we to assume that Jack and Ana from the jungle just walked back in silence and went their seperate ways. Jack went and changed his clothes as did everyone else....as Ana went and did something with a stick that I still don't know what the hell she was doing except that Michelle obviously busted the hell out of her hand (:D).

And Michael, um...I'm sorry, but your kid was just taken 4-5 days ago....you arrive back and find that there's an entire stash of weapons and people who'd likely help you and you choose to stand around taking notice of the architecture, computers, and watch videos?! Again....what the heck!?

And, is anyone else thinking that after tonight's ep....what point would it be to ever have another Kate backstory? Seriously, she's like, the only character on the island who's background has now officially played out and has nothing left to show.

The only good part of this whole ep was the horse, the cliff-hanger, and the Locke/Ecko biblical discussion. That is all....it was the only useful or interesting thing about this ep IMO...and it sucks that this is what we're left with for 6 friggin weeks.

Great ep, big improvement. I'm too lazy to repeat all the good bits everyone went over already, but I can't really think of much I didn't like about it, except for one bit in Kate's backstory. IMO she would've made much more sense as a character if they'd gone ahead and not discounted all the implied sexual abuse. It might sound sick, but I've had that feeling about her for a while, just from the way she interacts with people. Oh, and I thought Evi managed to pull off the crazy just fine. Better thatn some others - really, who hasn't had to go insane for an ep or two?

The Jack/Kate scene was angsty perfection, not too over- or under-done. One of the best scenes, and I thought I'd mention it since no one really has. Show's winning me back; damn hiatus.

A-L was making a body-less grave for the stewardess girl who vanished (her name escapes me at the moment).

The less screen-time AL has, the better. You see it as a negative, I see it as a complete relief.

The ending did it for me, and the "Yeah, I just got laid face" on Jin in the beginning.

Definitely above average.
First I'll say I was quite under-whelmed by "what Kate did." Like someone else said, when does this fit into her whole life story? We already heard her as a kid on tape saying she was running, but obviously the actual killing took place much later. So what was she running from then? Was it "just" an abusive father story? I'm not downplaying the seriousness of those situations, but I think I was hoping for something a little more extreme, or less "common," especially since we learned right away "what Ana-Lucia did." In fact, her crime was more interesting than Kate's, and we only had to wait an hour instead of a season and a half to learn of it. Hmmm....
Locke and Eko make a good pair. They could rule the island together if they wanted....:cool:
The "Dad?" through me for a loop. Great way to end it. And I've concluded there's a zoo somewhere on the island....kidding of course but now we can add horses to the bears and boars.
Blast doors? Hmm, maybe something serious WILL happen if you don't push the button after all.

Yeah, Kate's backstory is over and it was expectedly lame. Are we supposed to think she's a really bad person with "murder in her heart"? She just doesn't play that way. Anyway, I think it's ironic that they supposedly killed Shannon because "she was so young that there wasn't anywhere to go with her backstory" and Kate is like 2 years older and her backstory is done and she'll continue to be a main character.
Other than Kate's backstory though it was a really good eppy...in general I'm much more interested in what's happening on the island than the flashbacks. Beyond 1 flashback per character, they are just not that interesting to me.

This epi was AWESOME! They just keep getting better and better.

AKA, Worst.Episode.Ever. (Hey, nobody wants to see THAT in the topics list.)

So now it's official that Kate is a rampaging sociopath (as well as a not particularly talented criminal), as even her sort-of daddy recognizes. Run, Sawyer, run. Or if that's not possible: hobble, Sawyer, hobble.

This ep did have some good points (1. shirtless Jin; 2. sad Sayid; 3. shirtless and conscious Sawyer; 4. Eko and the tape in the bible; 5. Michael asking questions and otherwise acting as a human being would in his circumstances), but the rest was so bad it's hard to know where to begin. The ghost horsie is a good place, though. I'm usually fairly good at symbolism, but what the heck was that supposed to be? Kate's drunken biodaddy being reincarnated to forgive her for blowing him to smithereens? Her fairy godhorse? The incarnation of her independent and indomitable freedom of spirit? A reflection of Sawyer's manhood?

Kate's motivation for premeditated murder was kind of, oh, I don't know--RIDICULOUS ("My father is evil because he beats people; to destroy his evil in me I think I will KILL PEOPLE!"). The missing piece of the orientation film could not have been more boring (or unnecessary) if Martin Candle was explaining how to watch paint dry. And Walt showing up on the island AIM was as obvious as a giant flaming piano dropping out of the sky in front of you.

On the bright side, episodes like this make me not care that the show will be on hiatus for six weeks.

I said "A bit disappointing". It was crap compared to season one, but a masterpiece compared to recent episodes.

Why does the horse have to represent something? It doesn't. Don't overanalyze. It sparked her memory and her flashback, but it doesn't have to represent anything.

And for "worst episode ever", it sure sounds to me like you liked the rest of the episode outside of the parts that involved Kate.

There have been far worse episodes (Namely, Born To Run) where the flashback was horridly boring/trite, and the on-island action was non-existant.

I thought this ep was so well done on many levels...

Kate's character took on another layer imo. As I said on another thread I'm not entirely convinced there wasn't a lot more behind what Wayne did. She just seemed to despise him & herself beyond what he did to her mother. Not that that isn't absolutely horrific, but I've always thought she was was abused herself because it often makes you feel "unworthy" & thus you act out in ways that give credence to a negative looking glass self. Plus I thought it was odd the way she reacted to being locked in the hatch closet.

With JK's kiss I thought it was fantastic, I was really pleased. I think it's trying to compare apples to oranges because JK/KS's dynamics are unique & the kisses were "hot" in different ways. It had desire, passion, a lot of caring & did show chemistry imo. It was like she gave into her feelings for him like she did Tom in spite of knowing she probably shouldn't. So she got embarrassed & "ran" because unlike Tom Jack didn't reject her which scared her more.

They did a great job ramping up the triangle w/o losing what had been established between all the characters. I loved Jack tending to Sawyer & being almost protective of him to Kate, I thought that was an interesting twist. And imo Kate's crime did her character justice for the build up. Reiterating I'm curious to see what happened to her as a kid.

I fully loved this episode. I thought that the flashbacks were good, and the extra film would have been borring had the "Do not communicate" warning not lead to Micheal breaking the rule that very moment.

Obvious? I hadn't guessed that Walt would be on the other end. What does it mean? Great cliffhanger, IMO.

Whatever the horse means or why it's there, we'll probably find out later (but not before 200 million viewers start a thread about how the horse storyline was dropped). Not the best episode, but very exciting. I loved it.

dangerdork, if you pull another stunt like this again, :mad: i will flat out delete any threads you start.
you did not NEED to start 3, count 'em 3 threads about fans rating this eppy.

I voted that it was one of their best - why? Because up till now I have not cared for Kate's character or been interested in her background at all. I didn't like her previous flashback stories and was dreading this one.

I was very happily surprised to find her flashbacks interesting and engaging, and her descent into a little insanity on the island was gripping. Woohoo! To me, that says a lot about the writers', actors', directors' abilities - to get someone really interested who previously couldn't stand that character and her backstory.

A+++

Not bad, but nothing special. I give it a C. The epi was a little unfocused and scattered.

This weekend I will be renting "The Black Stallion" and "The Burning Bed."

dangerdork, if you pull another stunt like this again, :mad: i will flat out delete any threads you start.
you did not NEED to start 3, count 'em 3 threads about fans rating this eppy.

Hallie, I think Dangerdork did it unintenionally :). He first posted that he was having trouble posting...some technical difficulties...and something wasn't working...I think he probably didn't realize it went up three times? :ohwell:

He's never done it before...so I don't think he was trying to be difficult...

Once again, thanks for the poll Dangerdork.

I voted "Definitely Above Average"...and here's why.

Kate's crime was too predictable. Also, we don't have an explanation as to why she was running since she was ten (see the original BTR episode). I don't think anyone would bother chasing her all the way to Sydney if her crime was killing a man who was abusing her mother. Not believable and quite a bit of a letdown. Her reason for killing dear old dad was pretty odd too. The fact that Sgt. Austen knew his stepdaughter had murder in her heart made us go, "erm, huh?" Why didn't he get her some help? So this was a major minus.

I found the black horse bit cheesy. Kate's island story was just not doing it for me. She was all over the place, apparently she can't cry on cue and the Jack/Kate kiss was just weird. I know they meant it to be hot, like the Sawyer/Kate kiss from last year but it was just very awkward. The only actor on that cast that EL has any chemistry with is JH. This was a minor minus.

The island "hatch" story was fantastic. Locke and Eko were brilliant as was the finding of the missing film inside the bible. Michael came into his own again, finding the blast doors and the final scene where he types into the computer was awesome. This was a superdy dooperdy plus.

Sayid, I mean Naveen's acting tonight was Emmy worthy. His scene at the funeral and then again, when he told Kate he saw Walt was great. Moved me to tears both times. Another superdy dooperdy plus.

Sawyer recovered too quickly and was on his feet too fast, IMHO. Neither a plus nor a minus, just bad continuity.

And, finally, FINALLY, I felt some sympathy for AL this week. Scene with Jack on the beach was quite touching. A little plus.

I think, as we usually do, we over-expect and don't quite appreciate what we get on this show. Can I address these cogent points here? I mean absolutely no disrespect, but since some of these thoughts are popping up, I'm going to use your message to address them in general (not your specific ideas).

First off: The fact that Kate's crime was too predictable isn't a sin in any way, to my thinking. We've pretty much expected this to be true since last season, so the payoff on this is to give us Lostaways a pat on the back for our interest. I say thanks to the writers for throwing us a bone on this one. It was a spectacular way to start off the episode, and I'm sure nearly all of us who have followed Kate's backstory were absolutely sure of what was going to happen the moment we saw her flipping her Bic. Sometimes predictability is rewarding. I felt that way tonight. So much of this show is unpredictable in so many ways, that it's nice to have some surety now and then.

The many questions we have about the motivations of the other people in Kate's backstory must remain unanswered for now. All week I've been thinking, Well, this is it, we're finally going to get Kate's Rest Of The Story (apologies to you-know-who). Now what are we going to get about her for the next however-many-years of this show's run? What the writers did tonight was to answer some old questions, fulfill a fan expectation, and then set up an entire new set of questions for future backstories. That's the beauty of Lost.

As for chasing her all the way to Sydney "just" for killing someone, well, let's not forget, fellow Fuselage fans, that Kate didn't "just" kill someone. She has quite a rap sheet that we know of, and if she has indeed been on the run since age 10 (I don't recall that being confirmed anywhere in any episode, but please disabuse me of my ignorance if you can! I hate not knowing something I should about this show! lol) then who's to say she didn't commit other crimes we haven't seen? First-degree murder and armed bank robbery by themselves are enough to put an APB out on her. And I have always had the sense that the Marshall had something deeper with Kate through this whole thing--sort of like the relationship between Marshall Gerard and Dr. Kimble in The Fugitive. I mean, he did say something about Kate calling him in New Mexico and sort of seducing him into telling her about the location of the toy plane...There's a lot more to this. The fact that any of us is questioning it tells me that there's a lot more to it--the writers have proven many times over their ability to open up unforeseen mysteries at the drop of a stick of dynamite.

On the First Season dvd set, in the comments special for The Moth, Dom and the others said they'd gotten Dom recovered from heroin addiction too quickly. They felt they had to in order to move his story along, and that of Claire's, probably too. I thought also that Sawyer seemed just a little too healthy (not healthy like 100% let's run a marathon and see who comes out on top, but sitting up and taking fluids healthy) too quickly. Probably for the same reason--get the love triangle thing moving along. I'll say it again, though, and keep repeating it: I really hope this love triangle/quandrangle/whatever doesn't swamp the storyline. What they did tonight setting up the Locke/Eko thing was awesome, and of course Michael needs to find Walt, so there's a lot left to work with. I hope that, and the new mysteries of the night's epy, manage to hold their own against the incipient love stories. I don't want to do away with them--there's a whole lot of potential there! I just hope for balance.

I find it hard to vote on this one, because I didnt like the scenes/stories involving Kate, but I *love* everything else.

This show NEVER disappoints me. I really enjoyed this episode. It was fantastic! I really liked Kate's backstory and how it connected with the island. Kinda creepy but cool. The funeral was so emotional. It was so hard to see Sayid almost cry. I cried of course, like I always do. Great writing. :) GO JATE! I was so happy to see that kiss. The Locke and Eko scene was amazing. I loved the story and woah-ho, I got mad chills when Locke unrolled the film strip. The last part was mind blowing. WOW......WOOOOOOW.

omg!!, this is by far one of the best episodes of Season 2 so far. I mean the whole time was just going OMG, or Holy Crap!!, or wow didnt expect that!. plus Eko and Locke, the computer at the end, wow, brought back a lot of mysterious crap back into the island. ::sniff:: reminds me of Season 1.

This was a great ep. It was the first Kate backstory I really enjoyed. I also loved that we got to see a little of all our old faves. This ep felt like LOST again.

I liked tonight's episode. Personally I'm a bit of a Jate Shipper so seeing those two finally kiss was a welcome sight. Even though it was a bit predictable, I generally enjoyed the episode. :)

Nice to see Sawyer on his feet again and the budding beginnings of the "who's in love with who" game. YAY!!

I agree that Kate's motive was a bit weak but it was very cool how she killed him. :biggrin:

The part at the end though with Michael was great! You know that's gonna send him over the edge and that The Others are freaking USING Walt to get the survivors. I see major mayhem erupting soon. Very cool stuff!

The last minute with Michael at the computer saved this episode. Without that very final scene, I would have felt I wasted my time.

Kate leaves me flat. I like her less after this episode. Or it dislike her more?

One of thier best!

I really did not like this episode at all. Well, I liked the parts with Eko and Locke, and Jack and Sawyer. I guess I was really let down by Kate's story. I didn't think the reason she did what she did was justified. Plus, it really reminded me of "Outlaws" (just in case somebody doesn't know, it was the one where Sawyer thought he was being haunted by a boar that was possessed by the man he killed). I don't like repeats like that. Probably just me.

I really did not like this episode at all. Well, I liked the parts with Eko and Locke, and Jack and Sawyer. I guess I was really let down by Kate's story. I didn't think the reason she did what she did was justified. Plus, it really reminded me of "Outlaws" (just in case somebody doesn't know, it was the one where Sawyer thought he was being haunted by a boar that was possessed by the man he killed). I don't like repeats like that. Probably just me.

Interesting point. And "Outlaws" was so much better than this one.

I thought it was a very good episode. I won't go into detail since so much has already been posted but there are a couple points I would like to make.

The line about Kate always running (since she was 10) was made by Tom her old boyfriend from Iowa. For those who don't understand how a child reacts to violence in the home let me explain. I grew up in a home similar to what they portrayed Kate's to be. An alcoholic Father who came home drunk and end up with the predictable violence. We knew if Dad wasn't home by a certain time trouble was brewing. We slept in our regular clothes made sure we could get out through the window and even began hiding toys outside so we could take them along. Sometimes it was for a night other time for weeks. We were literally running before we were 10. I found that very believable.

Kate states she killed him because he was a part of her and she hated him. After years of abuse, doesn't have to be sexual, the rage builds up. IMHO, Kate did it to free her mother because her Mom wasn't capable of leaving on her own. Her Mom is bruised so there was a recent incident that may have been the straw that broke the camel's back. Even though there may not have been an actual rape, there was an overtone that Wayne had come onto Kate before just like the scene we saw. People were grossed out when Boone and Shannon got together and they weren't even related, how do you think a daughter would feel having to rebuff her own father. DISGUSTED, ENRAGED and probably smell blood on the wind.

As far as the Marshall goes, losing Kate,his prisoner, while in his custody plus the fact she beat him up pretty good a couple times is enough of a motive for him to chase her around the world and react the way he does. There's still more to this story as well.

I liked it, but it was no "Walkabout".

I thought it was a very good episode. I won't go into detail since so much has already been posted but there are a couple points I would like to make.

The line about Kate always running (since she was 10) was made by Tom her old boyfriend from Iowa. For those who don't understand how a child reacts to violence in the home let me explain. I grew up in a home similar to what they portrayed Kate's to be. An alcoholic Father who came home drunk and end up with the predictable violence. We knew if Dad wasn't home by a certain time trouble was brewing. We slept in our regular clothes made sure we could get out through the window and even began hiding toys outside so we could take them along. Sometimes it was for a night other time for weeks. We were literally running before we were 10. I found that very believable.

Kate states she killed him because he was a part of her and she hated him. After years of abuse, doesn't have to be sexual, the rage builds up. IMHO, Kate did it to free her mother because her Mom wasn't capable of leaving on her own. Her Mom is bruised so there was a recent incident that may have been the straw that broke the camel's back. Even though there may not have been an actual rape, there was an overtone that Wayne had come onto Kate before just like the scene we saw. People were grossed out when Boone and Shannon got together and they weren't even related, how do you think a daughter would feel having to rebuff her own father. DISGUSTED, ENRAGED and probably smell blood on the wind.

As far as the Marshall goes, losing Kate,his prisoner, while in his custody plus the fact she beat him up pretty good a couple times is enough of a motive for him to chase her around the world and react the way he does. There's still more to this story as well.

very insightful analysis :)

I voted, Great Show! One of their best!

I liked all of it. It had everything from suspense to humor and very little AL. (LOL) And the ending rocked! And the finding of the extra film ... too cool! And that proves that Desmond didn't know about that part of the film ... well, if what he told Locke and Jack is all true, it proves it. ;)

Best episode this season!
It took awhile, but season 2 is FINALLY getting up to the quality we came to expect
in season 1. :biggrin:

I'm still iffy on this one. I am going to watch it again to see if I pick up on anything I missed. It was a decent episode, but I don't think it was one of the best. I really enjoyed the Eko/Locke moments in the hatch, and Sawyer made me laugh a couple of times. I felt like something was missing in Kate's story. We were given some of it, but not all of it. I didn't see her method of killing her dad coming until I realized they were focusing on the house for a little too long. And personally, I still wonder if she really meant to kill him. Maybe it really was an accident. Thoughts?

I really want to watch the end when Locke and Eko watch the updated film. It seemed the same to me as the first one, but I've only seen MOS MOF once (it aired in my pre-tivo days). Hopefully they will rerun it during the 6 weeks, and I will be sure to tivo it. :)

I actually softened a tiny bit toward AL at the end of this episode. She still annoys me, but she definately looks better smiling than scowling. She seemed softer this episode, which is what I think she needs.

I loved it. It was interesting to see Kate's backstory, I loved the Kate / Sawyer stuff, I love seeing Eko and Locke together and I'm so happy Sawyer is back to his snarky old self! Brilliant episode!!!

The less screen-time AL has, the better. You see it as a negative, I see it as a complete relief.

So, so, sooooo agree with this! I'm generously willing to let her have three lines per episode, as long as she stays on her own little part of the beach.

Loved the episode!

- Eko and Locke are going to be fascinating to watch.
- Sawyer's awake! And funny! And awake! And he makes Kate smile. I like that and think they make a good match. The Jack kiss? Eh. Girl was having a spaz attack. ;)
- Blast doors, computer chat, "Dad?" Oh my!
- Jin and Sun all cuddly again, good to see. Sun wanting Kate to take over Sawyer duty was cute.
- I enjoyed Kate's story and thought EL did an excellent job. She's grew up trying to be a good person, like the man she thought was her real Dad, while growing up around her leering, abusive step-Dad, only to learn that the hate in her heart toward that redneck is really a legacy of his DNA (or so she saw it). Loved the horse symbolism, and enjoyed the twist of Sawyer being able to see it too. It's just a horse sort of resonated with Sawyer's ep and "It's just a boar."

All-around excellent episode, and such a welcome relief after a couple of weeks of the nastiness that is Ana.

I voted, Great Show! One of their best!

I liked all of it. It had everything from suspense to humor and very little AL. (LOL) And the ending rocked! And the finding of the extra film ... too cool! And that proves that Desmond didn't know about that part of the film ... well, if what he told Locke and Jack is all true, it proves it. ;)
But that little bit of AL should have at least made you .7 percent more sympathetic of her. Gosh darnit she was making a grave for Cindy:frown:

I rated this a above average episode, and here's why. There's alot more going on here then still meets the eye (I know this is sorta catchphrasish, but bear with me a moment.) It's obvious that the problems between the Stepfather/read dad, Kate's mom and Kate has been going on for many years, but something tripped her off that she finally killed him and we dont yet know why. Her military father see's something very bad in Kate, and has seen it for a long time. I would even go as far as to say he's afraid of her, but why? And there's more to the black horse then it convinently showing up earlier in her life and when she starts to have problems on the island.

I think it's almost obvious that there is something more then natural going on here, it's been said by both the producers and in theorys that The numbers and the island have worked to bring them to where they are. Which is very strange to say the least.

Concerning what happend to Sawyer, I'm not sure yet what to make of that, was he just delierious or was it something more? I truly have no idea at this point.

Concerning Locke and Eko, Eko is hiding something, something more then just the story in the bible and the missing link of film that warns not to use the computer for another otherwise of putting in the numbers. I have to agree with a above poster about how Locke acted in this episode, but then again there might be more going on then I'm able to see. Maybe Locke knows or senses something about Eko that makes him mistrust him, therefor he's playing dumb.

As for the timing of what happend with Michael, the computer, and how it ties in with the warning from the film... Well, as Eko said, maybe it is fate. What will Michael tell the other Lostaways of his conversation? I guess we can stew on that till Janurary 11th. :)

But that little bit of AL should have at least made you .7 percent more sympathetic of her. Gosh darnit she was making a grave for Cindy:frown:

I agree. I also liked the Jack and AL scene, she was much nicer than she ever was before and I think she was kind of relieved that Jack still talks to her. I like her!

I agree. I also liked the Jack and AL scene, she was much nicer than she ever was before and I think she was kind of relieved that Jack still talks to her. I like her!

If she smiles some more I might start to like her (shhhh don't tell anyone).

Loved:
* Sawyer and Kate scenes. Love Sawyer - he hasn't changed a bit
* The computer scene at the end with Michael
* Eko and Locke
* Jin and Sun. Jin definitely deserves his spot on People's Sexy list.
* Jack. Last night was the first time I started to crush on Jack. Maybe it's my unconscious coming up with a reason to re-watch season 1 DVD. Hmmm. Were there any shirtless Jack scenes in season 1?

Hated:
* Ana scene. Why? Why? Why? I think this character has ruined season 2 for me. Hmmm. I definitely want to re-watch season 1

Mixed:
* As much as I love Sawyer recovered. His recovery was way too unrealistic and forced
* I thought the black horse scene at the end was hokey and forced
* The Hurley/Jack scene was great, but forced

Overall I really liked this eppy. Only a couple things bothered me

1. Hurley would have lost weight by now

2. Kate's dad flashback was predictable

3. When Kate was sitting in the woods and Jack comes up, she would have been a bit more freaked out hearing the footsteps with all of the things going on on the island in the past. She did have her back to him after all.

Other than that it was good. I loved the interation with Eko and Locke.

I enjoyed this episode BUT much of it was odd behavior by everyone. It should have been titled "What Crazy People Do".

Shannon's funeral: I anticipated an uproar about Shannon being killed by Ana-Lucia. I guess no one cared cept Sayid. Ana mentioned that everyone must hate her but I didnt see any evidence of that.

The Jack/Kate kiss: Definitely NOT as hot as the Sawyer/Kate kiss. Awkward, out of place, forced. Kate had to be "crazy" to kiss Jack? And Jack's reaction afterwards. *smirk*

The Hurley/Jack moment: Why didnt Jack question Hurley about his mental hospital comment? Was he still stunned because Kate kissed him? And Hurley's Rose/Bernard comment. *sigh* Are interracial couples like aliens? Everyone has heard of them but never seen one.

Rose and Bernard: In Season 1, everytime we got a glimpse of Rose she was talking about Bernard and how she knows he's still alive, clutching his ring, his sweet tooth, etc. Now they are reunited and nothin. Gimme more Rose and Bernard!

Michael and the computer: Nice ending to the episode BUT Why was he so interested in the computer instead of wanting to find Walt in the first place? Being a parent I would not have been thinking about that computer. I think that scene should have happened after his second search for Walt was exhausted.

Just my thoughts,
Rikka

I'm still iffy on this one. I am going to watch it again to see if I pick up on anything I missed. It was a decent episode, but I don't think it was one of the best. I really enjoyed the Eko/Locke moments in the hatch, and Sawyer made me laugh a couple of times. I felt like something was missing in Kate's story. We were given some of it, but not all of it. I didn't see her method of killing her dad coming until I realized they were focusing on the house for a little too long. And personally, I still wonder if she really meant to kill him. Maybe it really was an accident. Thoughts?

I really want to watch the end when Locke and Eko watch the updated film. It seemed the same to me as the first one, but I've only seen MOS MOF once (it aired in my pre-tivo days). Hopefully they will rerun it during the 6 weeks, and I will be sure to tivo it. :)

I actually softened a tiny bit toward AL at the end of this episode. She still annoys me, but she definately looks better smiling than scowling. She seemed softer this episode, which is what I think she needs.
The fact that she took out the insurance policy on the house shows that she meant to kill him and to do it by blowing up the house. It was no accident! :eek:
But that little bit of AL should have at least made you .7 percent more sympathetic of her. Gosh darnit she was making a grave for Cindy:frown:
A grave for Cindy? They haven't found her body yet ... why a grave? That seems unlikely. And no, no pangs of anything close to sypathy for her. But I did feel that Jack may turn to AL on the rebound since he thinks he's lost Kate to Sawyer. That's sad. Any rebound relationship is, to me.

I went back at looked at poll results. Man of Faith is not included because less that 30 people voted on the poll.
You could say more people are aware of the polls and voting. I guess I should have listed how many people voted in each poll.
I also know the numbers for What Kate Did may change as I type.:laughing:

Best Hour of TV ever: 11 Orientation, 11 The Other 48 Days, 10 Collision
Fave Episode of Lost: 12 Collision, 12 What Kate Did, 9 Orientation
Great Show: 120 Other 48 Days, 114 What Kate Did, 96 Orientation
Above Average: 73 Collision, 73 Abandoned, 72 Everybody Hates Hugo
Not Bad : 60 And Found, 49 Everybody Hates Hugo, 34 Adrift
A bit disappointing : 21 The Other 48 Days, 20 And Found, 15 Abandoned
Seriously Sub Par : 15 And Found, 13 Collision, 8 Adrift
Worst Episode of Lost : 8 And Found, 7 Adrift, 2 Everybody Hates Hugo
The show has jumped the shark: 4 Abandoned , 1 Everybody Hate Hugo

I rated it above average, mainly because of the things happening in the hatch. The film, Ecko, Locke, amd Michael checking things out. Jin getting the handcuffs removed finally.
The ending of course.
Kate's back story still doesn't make any sense to me, and it was a bit dull. Her real dad was a drunk who beat Kate's mom, but Kate kills him because he gave her low self esteem? She gets Tom killed while on the run, robs a bank to get a toy airplane. Kate is insane. It would make more sense if Wayne molested her or something. Maybe there is still more we don't know.
Man, those Crown Victoria cars must be made well. Rams into a tree, the airbags go off, and still Kate can drive it away.
Looking forward to the next one.- J

gotta say had me on the edge of my seat. Very good episode
DITTO! Talk about your killer endings: "Dad?" :eek: :shocking: :o
I felt that the entire episode was classic, vintage LOST!

Definitely "one of their best". Good gosh, if only for the last two minutes! I guessed a second before who Michael might be talking to, but that last shot still gave me chills.

I think I rate this episode so high in part because I didn't expect to like it. I don't like Kate, I think the writers have been on the wrong side of the multi-dimensional / inconsistent line with this character, and her backstories since the first one have mostly fallen flat. I was really worried that they were going to redeem her completely, but they didn't. She murdered someone, with far less justification than Ana or Sawyer had (though at least the ladies got the right victims). Her own (step-)father sees her true nature, or at least its dark side. Yes, it was predictable, but it made sense.

Locke and Eko are indeed a formidable combination. I loved Eko's inscrutable reaction to the Orientation film, and I was practically leaning into the screen as he s-l-o-w-l-y told Locke what he had found. I liked Ana in this episode, too, it was nice to see her more vulnerable, worried about being hated instead of reveling in that emotion.

And I loved Kate's scene with Sgt. Austen. I felt for this man so much. He thinks of her as his daughter despite her faults; now she shows up lost, scared, and on the run, and there's nothing he can do to help her, except give her that hour. She's gotten into a scrape that's beyond his ability to help her out of. How heartbreaking that must have been.

Shannon's funeral: I anticipated an uproar about Shannon being killed by Ana-Lucia. I guess no one cared cept Sayid. Ana mentioned that everyone must hate her but I didnt see any evidence of that.

I think that's one of those things that they just haven't had the time to show. I expect them to build on that in future episodes and "show us, don't tell us".


The Hurley/Jack moment: Why didnt Jack question Hurley about his mental hospital comment? Was he still stunned because Kate kissed him? And Hurley's Rose/Bernard comment. *sigh* Are interracial couples like aliens? Everyone has heard of them but never seen one.

It's close to blasphemy around here, but I can understand why Jack gets annoyed with Hurley sometimes. He shows up, says something only he finds funny, beats around the bush for awhile, and finally has to be prodded to get to the point. He has a role on the island, and in the show, but I think if I were stuck there, I'd have had enough of him at some point, too.


Rose and Bernard: In Season 1, everytime we got a glimpse of Rose she was talking about Bernard and how she knows he's still alive, clutching his ring, his sweet tooth, etc. Now they are reunited and nothin. Gimme more Rose and Bernard!

I wanted to see him presented with the candy bar, myself.

I liked the deal with the horse, the deja vu with Kate in a crash with the unconscious Marshall. The twist with what's-his-name being Kate's real father was great, didn't see THAT coming. BUT, when she went to see her father and asked, why didn't you tell me? and he said, "because I knew you would kill him." WHAT? How utterly ludicrous.

I think she might have meant, "Why didn't you ever tell me?" Seemed to me that they had kept in touch.


But when Eko had that wonderful, beautifully acted reaction to the film, and then took Locke aside to tell him that captivating story... well Locke's smirking condescendence at the start of the story was TOTALLY out of character and VERY disappointing. If ANYONE would sit and listen thoughtfully to that story from Eko, it would be Locke. I guess we were being set up for his moment of shock when he saw the missing film. Again, WHATEVER. I don't like seeing my favorite character mis-scripted.

I didn't see it that way, but will have to watch again on the re-run. Locke seems a bit suspicious of Eko - doesn't like having a rival Obi-Wan Kenobi around, maybe? He wasn't too enthusiastic when Eko asked to watch the film with them.

I found the black horse bit cheesy. Kate's island story was just not doing it for me. She was all over the place, apparently she can't cry on cue and the Jack/Kate kiss was just weird. I know they meant it to be hot, like the Sawyer/Kate kiss from last year but it was just very awkward. The only actor on that cast that EL has any chemistry with is JH. This was a minor minus.
See, I'm not sure her kiss with Jack wasn't intended to be awkward. She's not kissing him out of love or even lust, she's just screaming internally for some validation and attention. Jack must be like "What the hell...?", especially seeing the way she's been nursing Sawyer. I agree that Kate and Sawyer have chemistry. They are two of a kind, pretty much.


The island "hatch" story was fantastic. Locke and Eko were brilliant as was the finding of the missing film inside the bible. Michael came into his own again, finding the blast doors and the final scene where he types into the computer was awesome. This was a superdy dooperdy plus.

Agree totally. It's nice seeing the old, sharp-eyed, competent Michael again. It happened maybe a little too quickly, given what he's just gone through, but maybe that's a matter of dramatic license, as with Sawyer and his Wolverine-like healing factor.


Anywho, was anyone else TOTALLY ticked and wondering "What the heck?" That it took them the entire episode to make Jack and Ana have their first on screen conversation....and the convo they had was utterly uselessly about nothing and only lasted like 8 seconds? WHAT. THE. HECK. That was about as horrible and idiotic a time jump as I think the show has had yet.....all that lead up and last week's ending all for that? So....what, are we to assume that Jack and Ana from the jungle just walked back in silence and went their seperate ways. Jack went and changed his clothes as did everyone else....as Ana went and did something with a stick that I still don't know what the hell she was doing except that Michelle obviously busted the hell out of her hand (:D).

Since you asked....yes, it would have been nice to know what they talked about at the end of the last episode. That was a potentially beautiful scene. Interesting that Jack came over to check on how Ana was doing of his own accord - he usually has to be prodded to do that somewhat. She must be his "Plan B". :)


And Michael, um...I'm sorry, but your kid was just taken 4-5 days ago....you arrive back and find that there's an entire stash of weapons and people who'd likely help you and you choose to stand around taking notice of the architecture, computers, and watch videos?! Again....what the heck!?

I'm with you there, too - the rafters, and Michael in particular, seem to have integrated back more quickly than I would have expected. I would have liked to have seen Michael talking about the kidnapping and someone else saying, "We'll get him back."


And, is anyone else thinking that after tonight's ep....what point would it be to ever have another Kate backstory? Seriously, she's like, the only character on the island who's background has now officially played out and has nothing left to show.

I think there's a lot more between Kate and the Marshal between the events of last night's flashbacks and the Pilot. Remember the Marshal saying to her, "Maybe they'll believe your story. I know I did." What story? She wasn't talking to him last night.

I really don't know what they're going to do next time it's Charlie's or Michael's turn. I like those characters, but it seems like we know most of what we're going to know.

I voted that it was one of their best - why? Because up till now I have not cared for Kate's character or been interested in her background at all. I didn't like her previous flashback stories and was dreading this one.

I was very happily surprised to find her flashbacks interesting and engaging, and her descent into a little insanity on the island was gripping. Woohoo! To me, that says a lot about the writers', actors', directors' abilities - to get someone really interested who previously couldn't stand that character and her backstory.

Yep, that makes two of us.

I said not bad but nothing special. I'm not sure why this season seems a little flat to me, but it does.

Thanks for doing the poll. Great idea!

II voted for: Definitely an Above Average Episode.
And my Rating is: 6 out of 10

This episode, in my opinion, can be summed up by the word: Anticlimax. Truly coming into this episode I was very pumped due to the drama of “Collision” and “Abandoned”, there was definitely a feel that this would be the “THAT” episode of the season. For me it wasn’t.
I will start with the negatives of the episode, just so I can end my post on a happier note.
Ana Lucia: This for me was the biggest anticlimax of tonight’s show. I was fully anticipating getting the Jack/Ana Lucia showdown, even if it was the big thing of Act 1 before they moved the story more Kate-centric. I just felt that the drama was building for this and to not see it happening was really irritating. DL (I think it was him) said that Shannon had to die to increase the tension between the LOSTaways and the TAILaways. This seems to have happened in 1 episode and if a great character died for Collision alone I would be horribly annoyed. I wanted to see how the group would react to a survivor who killed another survivor and Eko covers this. I think for a very central character of the season so far, Ana Lucia was underused tonight.
Kate: I must admit that when we saw Kate up the tree I was thinking “No… not another: “Whatever the case may be” episode.” I have never been a fan of Kate’s back-story, but again I feel that it was an anti-climax; I figured she must have done something pretty big (and while it was big it didn’t have that zang) to involve a U.S Marshal. I also feel that her back-story contradicts what is happening on the island.
Also a lot of her island story was hallucinatory, which like “White Rabbit” turned the show sketchy and confused.

However the positives outweigh the negatives tonight:
Love:
*Jate:- I am glad that Jack and Kate have finally kissed; they have been waiting to do it for what a season and a third. Jack was awkward as he always is and Kate is crazy. While I am not a fan of “Jate” I am glad that a love triangle is finally being made into a plot device; a proper one. I hope this really doesn’t go downhill like the Boone/Shannon/Sayid triangle last year, I doubt it will due to the characters all being main players. I hope this storyline isn’t going to be the driving force of this part of the season – LOST is about mystery. However it did seem a little forced that Sawyer said “I Love Her” on the same night though, I think it would have been quite cool if he had told Jin while on the raft -> Jin tells Sun -> Sun tells Kate.
*Sun/Jin:- Now come on, how cool was that, the best couple on TV getting back together – it was almost magical. It adds fuel to the Sun Pregnant theory, although if she is it will be season 8 before she actually gives birth (LOL)
*Shyid:- The funeral scene had me in tears again, I mean how good an actor is Naveen Andrews? After his “I still hear their voices” and now this. I could feel how much sorrow he felt then. Simply WOW.

Locke and Eko:
A very interesting relationship brewing here, I think it will become a love/hate relationship very quickly. Eko has a story to tell and I can’t wait for it to be told.

Michael:
What a cliffhanger!

Best Performance: Naveen Andrews, Sayid
Best Scene: The Funeral of Shannon
Best Line: “Do you believe in ghosts?” Kate.

I though that this episode was awesome. It was very well paced, they had a good amount of key points addressed between key characters. This is my reasoning.

1) They kept Ana far away from this episode. She was dragging the show down and it is very hard to feel any compassion for her. I just dont care.

2) The hatch:
-Michaels take on it.
-The blast doors.
-Locke/Eko conversation
-Missing tape splice
-"Dad?"

3) Kate kissed Jack then ran away into the jungle. Very very funny

4) Kate's horrible secret is out, and personally its not that bad. Other lostaways have done worse. So hopefully we can move on from the troubled past with her. So she has murder in her heart, ...big whooop wanna fight about it? -Family guy

5) Locke and Eko make a good team. I am happy they are discussing their own trials and tribulations with their respective hatches.

6) Good show pacing. It left me on the edge of my seat.

7) Locke sprinkeling the dirt on shannons body at the funeral. It was like he was making shake and bake. Very uninthused with the dirt. Kinda Comical.

I could go on. Any other thoughts?

I was just happy that Michael finally started asking questions and looking around!
I thought it was a good episode and will tide me over until Jan!

The Jack/Kate kiss: Definitely NOT as hot as the Sawyer/Kate kiss. Awkward, out of place, forced. Kate had to be "crazy" to kiss Jack? And Jack's reaction afterwards. *smirk*

I think both kisses were supposed to be forced to a degree because one happened out of being told it was needed to save a dying girl, & the other was an emotionally high moment. They were hot in their own ways for their respective dynamics imo. Jack and Kate have more of an emotional bond so I thought it was passionate, tender, & desirous with where they are in their relationship.

As was said it was intended to be awkward precisely because it was an odd moment. They were into it & resisted losing full contact after it was over.

I think the parallels to how she kissed Jack/Tom explain why it came when it did & why she responded that way. She loved Tom & typically Kate shuts ppl out until vulnerable. It's not about comfort defining the kisses imo vs.Tom/Jack being comforting awakening her feelings for them. Tom rejected her so Kate likely felt deja vu. Difference being Jack didn't reject her & I think it creeped her out more because she doesn't feel deserving of him. Typical Kate is to run instead of dealing w/her feelings.

I loved it & was very pleased after waiting a long time.

Sometimes, in the attempt to defy expectations, writers will take a character, build up a compelling picture, and then deliver something far more pedestrian. It rarely works. For example, Joss Whedon undermined the character of Tara on "Buffy" by hinting at a demonic origin...only to make her utterly human in the end. It left the character with little of her own to develop. Similarly, the writers for "Lost" hinted at a certain background for a certain character, but the reality doesn't match the implication. And as good as everything else in the episode was, that was quite a letdown.

Here's my review for Lost 2.9: "What Kate Did":

http://www.entil2001.com/series/lost/season2/lost2-9.html

Overall, this episode finally provided the answer to many questions about a certain character, but in that muddled process, it came somewhat short of the edgy expectations that previous episodes had generated. The tone is closer to that of a first season episode, which is a good sign for the future, and there is a nice balance between personal issues and the big picture.

One of the best episodes this season, but not one of the best ever. I'm suspicious of the last scene. I really don't think it's Walt. I think it's one of the others trying to draw Michael out.

3) Kate kissed Jack then ran away into the jungle. Very very funny
At least it's just a kiss, if they actually made out and Kate ran away into the jungle, that would be even funnier.

Now that they have introduced the tailies and have brought them together with the rest of the survivors, we can probably count on having more mysteries, much like season 1.

Invariably there are people who post here and their only comment is to make statements on the state of mind of the poster. "Ahhh lighten up..., Esh you guys are hard to please... you're frustrated, etc.... If someone has a legitimate beef with the show's writing, casting, direction, story etc... I like to hear it. What I don't like is when people post things about how other people should "lighten up". The reason we post on this sight is to discuss both GOOD and BAD about the show. If you don't like what the poster has to say about the show, then comment on what they said... dismissing them just asks for a fight. So to all the "lighten up" people, I recommend you take your own advice. Just cause you like it doesn't mean everyone did. Heck I hated a few episodes and posted the same.

I thought this episode "what kate did" was kinda weak. Eko and Locke saved the show in my opinion. When they're on (escpecially together) I'm glued to the screen. The Josiah story that Eko tells was facinating ( Mainly because I just love to here him deliver his lines) The text itself was OK. The rest of it (except for Michael responding to the "Hello?" on the computer) Was kinda "soap-operaish". Who loves who, who's sad, who's seeing things... *yawn* Who cares. Was there anything in the episode that was a key point for you? What was your favorite part? What didn't you like? That's what I like to read. Sometimes people have posted things that I missed.

Personally , this is one of my favourite Kate centric episodes, the other being 'Left Behind'.

This is the first episode where the love triangle intensifies.
Kate’s swaying back and forth between Jack and Sawyer is really grating on my nerves….even this early on the show. She flirts with Sawyer and then she kisses Jack. Urrghhh… Make up your damn mind, Kate!!

Kate got strangled twice this episode….once by the Marshall in the flashbacks and once by Sawyer in the Hatch. I do recall her getting strangled by the dying Marshall in Tabula Rasa. She must’ve done something wrong to warrant getting strangled so many times! Lol

As for Kate’s backstory… since I read the synopsis before and knew what crime Kate committed, it didn’t come as a surprise to me at all. I still don’t understand though how being abused by your father can be an excuse for killing him. (Unless it was out of self-defence) I mean….com’on…intentional murder is a very serious offense regardless of the circumstances surrounding it.
Kate wouldn’t have been on the run had Diane not given her up.
It’s a pity what Kate has become….from an obedient girl with straight As in school to a cold-blooded murderer.

Favourite lines:

Kate : Cause everytime I see Sawyer, I see you in him. And it makes me sick.
Sawyer: That’s about the sweetest thing I’ve ever heard

Jack to Ana Lucia: If you could convince me that not every woman in the world is crazy

I feel that this episode, along with "Born to Run", are the two best Kate episodes.

I feel that this episode, along with "Born to Run", are the two best Kate episodes.
Agreed, although I am partial to I do, only because I enjoy the acting of Nathan Fillion, is that the right episode? the one she drugs him at the end before she runs again.
Nooai, she was never abused by her father, he did abuse her mother and he made her other father leave, I wonder what Kate would have been like had she been raised by the miitary guy, what was his name, I know his last name was Austen(sp?) but what was his first name?

Nooai, she was never abused by her father, he did abuse her mother and he made her other father leave,

Oh ok- I don't know why I was under the impression that he abused both mother and daughter....


I wonder what Kate would have been like had she been raised by the miitary guy, what was his name, I know his last name was Austen(sp?) but what was his first name?

Sam. Sam Austen.

Oh ok- I don't know why I was under the impression that he abused both mother and daughter....

Sam. Sam Austen.
Probably becase the Marshal was under the impression that he did, he asks her and she almost get angry when she replies "He never touched me" as though on some level she is angry that he would ask such a thing about her father, which is strange considering she hated him.

Thanx for the name, I had a suspicion it was Thomas which would only give us another Thomas.