So I've gotta ask, what do y'all think...
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When Michael "talks" on the computer. Do you guys think it's Walt responding, or one of the Others who knows that Michael has lost a son. (It was Michael who gave his name first).

And how convenient that the computer is talking right after Locke and Eko saw the new footage...hmmmmm.

I think Micheal is definitely imagining the incedent with the computer.

I think Michael is definitely imagining the incedent with the computer.

But don't forget the new stuff at the hanso site.
when who is this was typed in the answer was MOLE
My thought is that some one is messing with them
all the info is at this site.
http://lost.cubit.net/index.php

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And how convenient that the computer is talking right after Locke and Eko saw the new footage...hmmmmm.


what are the odds?

I think Micheal is definitely imagining the incedent with the computer.

hah, similiar to Kate imagining the horse all along. And Sawyer was still in a hallucinating-state, right? ;)

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what are the odds?

42 to 4?

Why would he imagine it? As far as he knows, it's not connected to anything outside the hatch.

And maybe it wasn't a coincidence. Maybe it was fate ;)

I think that WALT is the one typing on the other end and the one controlling the computer, which in turn is sending the reversed projected images into the jungle to Shannon and Sayid. I think that what we were seeing in the jungle was a reversed hologram image.

Now it makes sense for me atleast, why Shannon heard Walk backwards.

this could be another piece of information supporting the theory that their behavior is being observed... the timing of the typing is just too convenient... :undecide:

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lol..

I think micheal made contact with someone maybe walt i dont know but it seems kinda indirect though since we've already seem him appear to a few other people on the island already why not micheal? Of course walt might be dead or something (i dont know im not a doctor) but if he is alive maybe he is controling them all in some way. Back to the horse and kate why would the horse so up now maybe kate did the same thing like walt when he made that polar bear appear. That is if those to incidents are realted at all. And what did the guy on the film mean by causing another "incident" by tamering with the computer? Aren't computers designed to run more than one program? I still dont understand the "button" why keep pressing it ? If an incident could occur let it might be a blessing in disguise. And why was the film cut to leave the part about not tampering with the computer out?

the background noise gave me the impression that michael was communicating with the computer as locke and eko were still watching the filmstrip.. sounded like one running in the background at least...

too bad we gotta wait so long just to see what michael does with this new development....

and yea the timing of the typing and the horse as well makes it seem like someone dug up their past info or anything about them and is playing them each, one by one..

this could be another piece of information supporting the theory that their behavior is being observed... the timing of the typing is just too convenient... :undecide:

I was wondering the same thing. That there're being constantly observed. It seems too coincidental that the computer finally starts talking right when Locke and Eko watch the new segment. hmmmm

to answer your question tron, maybe someone cut that part out in the hopes that another incident might be created.. i mean do we have any idea what this incident was?? our only clues are the 108 minutes, blast doors, and patsy cline...


oh and mama cass too...

On my television, tonight's episode's description said something like Michael has an encounter with "a" computer, not "the" computer. Maybe Michael is talking to someone on a different computer, not the one you type the numbers into?

I wish I had taped the episode, I'd go back and see what was happening in the background as Michael was playing with the wires.

I wonder if he found out anything else about the computer while doing his examination.

On my television, tonight's episode's description said something like Michael has an encounter with "a" computer, not "the" computer. Maybe Michael is talking to someone on a different computer, not the one you type the numbers into?

I think there's only one computer in the room. I don't know which other one he'd be looking at. :undecide:

to the original poster - once the episode has aired, its not a spoiler anymore

There could be cameras inside the hatch, hidden of course, and someone is
watching them.

Maybe Walt's brain is being used to power every thing now, but he still
retains his own control somewhat so is able to astro project himself,
and the computer might just be someone messing with Michael, someone
who sees him there fiddling with the computer and decides to engage him.

to the original poster - once the episode has aired, its not a spoiler anymore

thanks. I just wanted to be safe for our west coasters.
I'll still let people highlight to read it. ;)

There could be cameras inside the hatch, hidden of course, and someone is
watching them.

Maybe Walt's brain is being used to power every thing now, but he still
retains his own control somewhat so is able to astro project himself,
and the computer might just be someone messing with Michael, someone
who sees him there fiddling with the computer and decides to engage him.

Walt's abilities are definately being used, and I agree about projection. There are a few older movies out that have used this type of theme. Virtual reality, type or older scifi movies. Maybe along the lines of The Matrix?

My first reaction was, "Damn, that computer has AIM '80s style!"

I belive walt is actually in the computer or something of that sort. Maybe the others stole his soul or something odd like that and put it into the computer some how. Thats just a crap idea, but i do belive hes some sort of a spirit and i dont see him knowing how to operate an old computer like that much less make it talk to the other computer.

maby walt is in anouther station that has anouther computer? or maby hes at the radio tower and they have a computer?

seems like the type of thing we won't have any answers given for a long time, and michael propably won't tell anybody. From the previews it looks like he'll be setting out to find Walt again (with a rifle in tow).

Perhaps the computer (or whatever it is connected to) has some sort of sentience and was waiting for the right person to manipulate. The numbers may have some sort of control over it and an incident occurs when the other end successfully prevents the numbers from being entered.

People are seeing vision throughout the entire series at one point or another. Others can certainly see them as well. I would guess this is connected, but couldn't guess how at this point.

I think it was real - Michael didn't imagine it - but since the film indicated that it might be a trick, it might actually be someone trying to trick Michael. For just a moment, however, I really did think it was going to say "Greetings, Professor Falken! Would you like to play a game?

Considering the blast ceilings... maybe that's not too far off.. hmmm?

fancyface....
re: the matrix comment

You DO realize that Michael is also in the Matrix as the one who reads the codes and send people into and out of the Matrix????? He had dreadlocks for that role.

I was wondering the same thing. That there're being constantly observed. It seems too coincidental that the computer finally starts talking right when Locke and Eko watch the new segment. hmmmm


Michael was messing with the wires and this may have been the reason someone from another computer was able to communicate with them.

did we see michael messing with the wires or just looking around the computers?

I think they just showed Michael looking at the computers, but it would make sense for the computer to start doing that because Michael messed with something.

I was waiting for Michael to type "LOL" as a response!

While Michael was looking around the computer's main frame, and Eko and Locke were watching their handy work. I think it was ment to show that although they were being warned NOT to try and use the computer to commincate or for anything other than entering the number on time, or there would be another insident, Michael is busy and doesn't hear this and see's the HELLO and kinda laughs and thinks, ok,.....HELLO...like it's not a big deal and starts to "communicate" then he sees.......... dad?

On the Hanso site, the computer message says "mole" - and one definition for mole is a spy or double-agent that forms their backstory and establishes their cover within a group before embarking on espionage....

My thought is that Walt is at the Psychic Hotline...I mean bunker...and is on one of the computers there. Michael was playing with the hardware the whole episode so maybe he crossed the wires that connects all of the computers in all of the hatches. I think the movie and the timing and such is just a dramatic device...not coincedence.

On the Hanso site, the computer message says "mole" - and one definition for mole is a spy or double-agent that forms their backstory and establishes their cover within a group before embarking on espionage....

I just read that on the "Hanso Site Update, and Hidden Numbers" thread. But what we saw on our tv sets was ...dad? I'm still trying to catch up.:biggrin:

Don't see this posted anywhere but did anyone else notice the 108 countdown stop before Michael went to the computer? Wasn't that why he walked by it in the first place, like he was gonna say something about it? I thought it stopped at 51 and stopped. It was right when he was screwing around in the back.

If the new Dr. Candle footage, emphasizing strict button pushing use of the computer is manipulative than using that old Apple computer was the writer's stroke of genuis. You cannot run parallel functions on that old cyber dinosaur.

Don't see this posted anywhere but did anyone else notice the 108 countdown stop before Michael went to the computer? Wasn't that why he walked by it in the first place, like he was gonna say something about it? I thought it stopped at 51 and stopped. It was right when he was screwing around in the back.


It counts by minutes until it gets to a few minutes left when it shows the seconds too. So it would sit at 51 for a minute until there's 50 left.

If the new Dr. Candle footage, emphasizing strict button pushing use of the computer is manipulative than using that old Apple computer was the writer's stroke of genuis. You cannot run parallel functions on that old cyber dinosaur.

You know that was one nice computer room in it's day.:)

If the new Dr. Candle footage, emphasizing strict button pushing use of the computer is manipulative than using that old Apple computer was the writer's stroke of genuis. You cannot run parallel functions on that old cyber dinosaur.

Yep...and realistically that old Apple II couldn't talk to another computer without a large modem, phone for it...and well, alot of time lag :) So it has to be something like Walt using his psychic powers or something.

As I recall, the Count Down Clock, CDC was at the 50:00 minute mark when the message chime arrived for Michael. I could not tell that the countdown had stopped.
The AppleLink (pre-AOL) chat interface was spot-on. (Hello Steve Case!)

I'm a little confused about how Michael was even able to type back at all. Remember Locke could not type anything until the timer went below 4 minutes. When Michael was typing it was at 51:00. I'm pretty good with computers and know that in order for him to be communicating with someone that there has to be at least one other computer hooked up to that computer via a cable, but how was he allowed to type before the 4 minutes? Would another person on a computer on say the other side of the island, that is connected to that computer via a cable have control over when a person is able to type into the computer? I hope someone can answer this...

Also, do they have the internet? I'm not really sure if or how the internet would work on a computer that old, but is it possible? Also, back to when that tape was made, someone must have contacted someone at one time, was this through the internet, or just through someone using another computer on the island? And if they were concerned with someone reaching another person on the computer, why would they allow for the possibility to begin with?

Yep...and realistically that old Apple II couldn't talk to another computer without a large modem, phone for it...and well, alot of time lag :) So it has to be something like Walt using his psychic powers or something.

I don't know much about computers, so forgive me if I'm horribly ignorant, but couldn't the computers be connected with that thick cable that Sayid found running across the beach? Perhaps it's connects all the stations. So would it have to have a modem?

If the new Dr. Candle footage, emphasizing strict button pushing use of the computer is manipulative than using that old Apple computer was the writer's stroke of genuis. You cannot run parallel functions on that old cyber dinosaur.

With the right boards, you could. There were multi-processing and device control boards available for the Apple II. For more info see this link: Apple II History: CO-PROCESSORS (http://apple2history.org/history/ah12.html#08). Of particular note is that one such card used the Motorola 68000, one of the most powerful microprocessor chips of that era and one of the first to allow true 32-bit memory access as well as multi-tasking.

I'm a little confused about how Michael was even able to type back at all. Remember Locke could not type anything until the timer went below 4 minutes. When Michael was typing it was at 51:00.
These points were made intentionally. Just the fact that Michael WAS able to type after Locke specifically mentioned he couldn't (earlier in the episode) indicates someone else on the island is controlling the computer.

And holy crap dude, you've got over 6000 posts. That's like 20 every single day over the past year!

I'm thinking the timer being at 51 is a clue. Does that mean anything to anyone?

It is probably a reference to a movie or book. Something like a street address etc.

Doh!! It's Area 51
http://www.fas.org/irp/overhead/groom.htm

didn't sherlock holmes live at 2 - 51 baker street? That's all I could think of?

And I agree, how on earth do you people have 5,000 and 6,000 posts?

Holmes and Watson lived at 221-B Baker Street. 51 could just be 15 reversed.

Could it be 51 days on the island?

And waltisfuture is amazing - 5500 posts since March!

Holmes and Watson lived at 221-B Baker Street. 51 could just be 15 reversed.

Well, hey I got the 1 right. :redface:

With the right boards, you could. There were multi-processing and device control boards available for the Apple II. For more info see this link: Apple II History: CO-PROCESSORS (http://apple2history.org/history/ah12.html#08). Of particular note is that one such card used the Motorola 68000, one of the most powerful microprocessor chips of that era and one of the first to allow true 32-bit memory access as well as multi-tasking.



Have we confirmed it's an Apple? I haven't focused on it, but it just looks to me like a dummy terminal connected to a mainframe. (Not that I'm old enough to have worked on those or anything. :redface: ) I also worked on the first Apples. It just doesn't look the same to me. They were tan in color with that huge keyboard. Maybe I need to find a screencap.

To the someone asking about the internet...yes, you could be on the internet in the pre-windows olden days. That's where/when the internet started. There were a bunch of text message boards with the computer geeks (they called themselves that term!) communicating with each other via dial-up modems (the old acoustic coupler you stuck the phone reciever into.) While I guess I'm old enough, I didn't participate. :)

I don't think the computer is what it looks like... that is... it's not a "dinosaur"
Seems that before the "incident" they were pretty frequent about getting people down there every year and a half... I'd think they'd update their hardware at some point.

Here's a cap of the computer, although it's a little grainy. Looks like an Apple to me.

http://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lostcomp22ct.jpg

I don't think the computer is what it looks like... that is... it's not a "dinosaur"
Seems that before the "incident" they were pretty frequent about getting people down there every year and a half... I'd think they'd update their hardware at some point.

Not to mention that huge tape drive we see in the background all the time. That opens all kinds of questions. Does that tape ever move? When? Is it a backup system? What? What's writing or reading that tape? Do the losties every get instructions to change that tape? Not going to get into the specifics of tape writing, but some questions are unanswered so far here as well.

And to my previous post about the Apple -- whether it's an Apple used as a terminal or whatever it is, it must be working in tandem with a mainframe, super computer, something.

Then again, it could just be an old endless loop program and serves no purpose. That would take about 3 seconds and one line of code to implement.

Here's a cap of the computer, although it's a little grainy. Looks like an Apple to me.

http://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lostcomp22ct.jpg

Thanks!! Yes, that does look like an Apple. But I still can't make it fit with when they hit the execute button (which is what I've been focusing on). May just be a bad memory at work, though, but I just can't 'see' that execute button in my brain in that placement on the keyboard.

Thanks for clearing that up for me!

let's not forget the video mentioned something about not letting the people from station 3 try to persuade them to use the computer for anything else other than what it's intended for.

i can see locke stopping michael from trying to communicate with walt. kinda like when bernard heard boone on the radio and ana told him to turn it off.

wait a second. are the survivors in station 3. the splice says to watch out for the people in station 3. but in the beginning of the video it is an orientation for station 3.

Don't see this posted anywhere but did anyone else notice the 108 countdown stop before Michael went to the computer? Wasn't that why he walked by it in the first place, like he was gonna say something about it? I thought it stopped at 51 and stopped. It was right when he was screwing around in the back.

Maybe because someone was using that computer (even from a remote location) and that caused the timer to stop? Could that have been part of the reason that they were warned not to use the computer for any other purpose; because doing so would interfere with the primary function of it, stopping the timer so they couldn't push the button, and therefore causing another "incident"?

Well, no.....that wouldn't make sense. Dr. Candle said that to use the computer for any other purpose could cause another incident, and the first incident obviously happened before they started having to enter the code and push the button. I just want to know what the incident was.

Just thinking out loud again. Never mind. :dizzy:

Oooh l definately caught that "other incident" line from Dr. Candle and immediately thought ' what other incident'. Hmmmm wonder what it was. Maybe something happened in the arrow hatch??

Ok I hope it was Walt.But t could be the others trying to fool Michael so he would talk and use the computer for something other then entering the code. Because the guy in the film said something about getting tricked into communication to use the computer for something other than entering the codes. So maybe the experiment will go haywire. Or a malfunction will happen like he said. CREEEPPPPYY

Well there is always the possibility that Walt is safe and sound with three meals
a day, a roof over his head and internet access and the guys that took him from
the raft were just trying to protect him. Getting kidnapped by them might turn out
to be a good thing. Also if the people on the raft were scientists, maybe they have
been helping walt project himself in spirit form to shannon and sayid and that
they know the button is bad and are trying to notify the lostees. Who knows
just throwing that out there.

Oooh l definately caught that "other incident" line from Dr. Candle and immediately thought ' what other incident'. Hmmmm wonder what it was. Maybe something happened in the arrow hatch??

The arrow hatch really did look like something happened in it, doesn't it? It was so run down and trashed compared to the swan hatch.

Maybe the scientists stationed in the arrow hatch were the ones to use their computer to make contact with others, and that's when the incident happened?

Maybe by doing so, they also screwed up all the computers on the "island network", so that now the swan scientists have to push the dang button to keep something from blowing their hatch to smithereens, too (or whatever happened).....but if the incident were just confined to the hatch, why did Desmond think that he was saving the whole world by pushing the button? There are definitely pieces cut out of that film that Locke hasn't put back in and watched yet.

Well there is always the possibility that Walt is safe and sound with three meals
a day, a roof over his head and internet access and the guys that took him from
the raft were just trying to protect him. Getting kidnapped by them might turn out
to be a good thing. Also if the people on the raft were scientists, maybe they have
been helping walt project himself in spirit form to shannon and sayid and that
they know the button is bad and are trying to notify the lostees. Who knows
just throwing that out there.

Yes but the producers and J.J said the people who took Walt were infact THE OTHERS. And if they are good why are they killing so many of the tailies?

Well I still strongly believe that there are different groups of "Others"
The crazy tribe types with the little kids is one group and a smarter
group of possibly left over scientists is another group of "Others"
and maybe Ethan from season one is not from either of those groups
and possibly part of a third group of "Others"

Maybe Micheal is getting the sickness that Danielle was talking about and was just imagining the whole thing?

Because for some reason it all seems a little too convenient for the comptuer to start talking at the exact moment Micheal is in the room and no one else is. Or maybe that's just me?

Also I was wondering, wtf are all the reels for behind the computer? Don't those normally have to be changed and contain some kind of data?

I think the bunker is definitely bugged. Someone is still monitoring them and continuing to orchestrate the whole thing.

I think the bunker is definitely bugged. Someone is still monitoring them and continuing to orchestrate the whole thing.

Yea sayid needs to definetly do a bug sweep of the place!

Yes but the producers and J.J said the people who took Walt were infact THE OTHERS. And if they are good why are they killing so many of the tailies?

ARE they killing the tailies?

they TOOK them, yes. I didn't think we saw any of them dead though, with the
exception of poor Nathan.

Mr Eko killed two of them, and AL killed Goodwin. So, it seems like the
Tailies did the killing, not the Others.

Goodwin said something about "we're not attacking you" and "they're better off
where they are" about those who were taken. Not that they'd been killed.

am I forgetting things? I admit that the tailies' episode wasn't my fave, and I
might be having a memory lapse....

Well. He said Nathan wasn't good, so he just killed him. Poor Nathen. And the Others on boat tryed to kill Saywer, Jin, and Michael by blwoing up their raft.

The ARPANET was up by the early 1970s, so maybe all that machinery in the background is part of an Interface Message Processor (IMP). Kind of hard to imagine something even older than that Apple they're typing the Numbers into :biggrin:. Maybe Walt found someway to connect to the IMP, and hence the computer.

Also, remember that the Swan Hatch was originally a laboratory. The "incident" apparently changed all that and now Swan Hatch is just a place where a couple of people just sit around and type in the Numbers. So it may be the case that not every Hatch has a computer--that is unless every Hatch had similar "incidents"... :biggrin:

To the someone asking about the internet...yes, you could be on the internet in the pre-windows olden days. That's where/when the internet started. There were a bunch of text message boards with the computer geeks (they called themselves that term!) communicating with each other via dial-up modems (the old acoustic coupler you stuck the phone reciever into.) While I guess I'm old enough, I didn't participate. :)

So it is possible that they have an internet connection, but they would need a dial-up modem for that, so they would have to have a phone line as well? Wouldn't that basically proove there is an experiment going on, because why else have a phone line and not try to contact the outside world for help, unless you're a researcher.

And holy crap dude, you've got over 6000 posts. That's like 20 every single day over the past year!
And I agree, how on earth do you people have 5,000 and 6,000 posts?

I can only speak for myself but I have been a member now for more than a year, and I post almost daily, and when I do post it is usually a lot since I belong to many discussions in many threads. I guess being here becomes addicting after a while. And for the record, I'm a dudette ;) :p

to the original poster - once the episode has aired, its not a spoiler anymore


To the original poster - I totally disagree with above statement. So thanks for caring! *tear*

I think the bunker is definitely bugged. Someone is still monitoring them and continuing to orchestrate the whole thing.

Yep....

We are watching, along with others, some kind of social-science experiment taking place. Jack seeing his dad, Kate seeing the horse, Michael/Sayid/Shannon seeing Walt. These things are bait...test bait to see how the "subjects" react.

Just my humble opinion though!

;)

If Goodwin had spilled the beans on what was going on, the show would be over. There is still a lot to be learned. Lots of twists left.

While Michael was looking around the computer's main frame, and Eko and Locke were watching their handy work. I think it was ment to show that although they were being warned NOT to try and use the computer to commincate or for anything other than entering the number on time, or there would be another insident, Michael is busy and doesn't hear this and see's the HELLO and kinda laughs and thinks, ok,.....HELLO...like it's not a big deal and starts to "communicate" then he sees.......... dad?

That's the way I looked at it.

Just a thought .... hmmmm I wonder if:

In season three ... all the flashbacks are going to have our Losties crossing paths with someone in Hanso that is conducting all the experiments on the Island ... someone who has access to all the historical information of everyone. Another hologram ... Jack's dad .... remember??

Just wait .. it is going to get really funky!!!!

ok it's been a really long time since my college days - way back in the 80's - when i worked on a terminal connected to a unix mainframe. but i do recall being able to communicate with other people, elsewhere in the world. the terminals were just as funky and beige as the one in the hatch. messages looked a lot like the message on the hatch computer screen, tonight.

i remember many times, sitting alone late at night at a terminal in the school library, trying to get a text paper done when out of the blue a little "hello?" would pop on the screen. someone wanting to interact, probably from someplace on campus or possibly at another university somewhere else - in the world.

but i am no computer geek, i only used that system at the time 'cuz i couldn't afford a "word processor". (lemme tellya, word processing on unix was... an effort.) however i do have several computer geek friends and they all agree that the computer in the hatch is an apple II. i had no experience with the early internet once it shifted from the realm of institutions into the general public, so don't know if it was similar to what is happening with the hatch computer. all i knw is, the first time i saw the computer in the hatch this season, it reminded me of good old unix.

anyway. what this rambling recollection is about is a response to the posts in this thread wondering about internet via mainframe, etc., so i thought my experience might be of interest. based on that, it would make sense of the island stations are connected to a mainframe so they could communicate internally, at least with their research results. and perhaps also communicate to the outside world... to the scientific community, or maybe just thier funding source.

there's most likely more to it, in terms of plot, but a simple reason for the writers showing us the missing part of the film is just to let us know that it is possible to communicate with the outside world. warning not to do so is pretty much confirmation it can be done. so that sets up tension as to whether they should keep pushing the button, or try to use the computer to get rescued.

While I'm sure it was possible to have some sort of a net connection, I kind of doubt that an old Apple like that had an internet connection. The net would need to come to the island by satellite. Seems unlikely. Don't think its out of the question for all the sub-stations being connected though. But with everyone seeing things, I tend to believe that Michael is projecting what he wants to see on the computer screen. Kate and the horse, Sayid and Shannon with Walt. It seems like everyone is seeing things or making things from their past real, but now everyone else is seeing what each other is seeing. Guess that brings into question whether other people would have seen Jacks father, etc if Jack hadn't been alone at the time.

didn't sherlock holmes live at 2 - 51 baker street? That's all I could think of?

And I agree, how on earth do you people have 5,000 and 6,000 posts?
Holmes lived at 221B Baker St

The interaction between Micheal and the computer reminded me of that Micheal Crighton book/movie "Sphere". Now while I cannot remember the entire plot or resolution, I do recall that one of the main themes was that the characters somehow caused there dreams/hopes/fears to come real. In one scene I can recall them having a conversation through a computer much like Micheal did. I don't really have a point just making an observation.
I love this show and this website!

The interaction between Micheal and the computer reminded me of that Micheal Crighton book/movie "Sphere". Now while I cannot remember the entire plot or resolution, I do recall that one of the main themes was that the characters somehow caused there dreams/hopes/fears to come real. In one scene I can recall them having a conversation through a computer much like Micheal did. I don't really have a point just making an observation.
I love this show and this website!

In the last podcast, didn't they mention that they liked the Crighton books/movies and took ideas from his stories? I saw a piece of it on an AOL website.

Dr Candle said something like "The isolation associated with Station 3 will tempt you to try to contact the outside world". There is no indication that someone else would tempt them to use it for that purpose.

ok you guys should check out this thread:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=28298

they talk all about the computer too. perhaps the threads should be merged...

Thanks for that link hellotzp. Very interesting info there. Also, I'm in agreement that the computer was basically set up to communicate with the other bunker (s), but was done so only maybe as a failsafe, or intended for only the scientists to be able to use.

The temptation would come from, for me, being isolated for so long. Unless I knew of the vital importance not to heed the warning. With so many variences of experiments, one would definatly clash, so to say, with another experiment. Otherwise the experiments would all be held in the same lab.

They would have to discuss the results and theories with one another or with someone within the Labs, and or use the computer to for logging thier results. Using shorthand on such vital notes would be unheard of. The computer has a back up on all those tapes running behind them in the bunker.

I don't think Michael messed with wires that started the communication. It's completely possible that there is an even larger area on the island, somewhere in the jungle that is monitoring their every move. Or, possible satellite?

fancyface....
re: the matrix comment

You DO realize that Michael is also in the Matrix as the one who reads the codes and send people into and out of the Matrix????? He had dreadlocks for that role.

Yes i was blown away when i saw him as the operator in the Matrix..
Neat to see him in another role lol
not sure of any other movies he's played any roles in...

Diamondone

The computer connecting to the outside world by satellite? Interesting.

Maybe we forgot about the huge cable that runs out into the Ocean?

Just a thought.

No I remember the cable that thsy havent found yet, or at least haven't explored yet. All I was thinking about was how they would be able to be monitored, unless, there are cameras all over the island, hidden in the trees etc? Satellite, sure a bit of a stretch but so is the premis of LOST.lol

I don't believe it's Walt.
As far as if being "convenient" timing...it is a television show, so they probably wrote it that way for dramatic effect. Just a thought. (Sorry. I'm not trying to be rude. I'm in a very smart *** type of mood. I love you...really...)

Yes i was blown away when i saw him as the operator in the Matrix..
Neat to see him in another role lol
not sure of any other movies he's played any roles in...

Diamondone

Romeo+Juliet. He played Mercutio and does a damn fine job at it too. :)

Satellite is possible but it would be pretty expensive and difficult for the researchers I would imagine, unless it is government funded then it wouldn't be so difficult or expensive...right?

As for the cable, I think the cable would be running underground, but again I am no genious at this type of stuff.

I also wonder how someone would ever even think they could contact someone via the computer inside the hatch, how would you know if the computer was even connected to another one? How would you know you had internet accessing (assuming they do or did in the 80's). I don't know much about computers outside from Windows, and obviously the computer does not have windows, so how would one be able to know if they could communicate with someone else? And then, how do you go about communicating, do you have to input some sort of code to allow for that?

Wasn't it a cable that Sayid followed from the ocean to Danielle?

Wasn't it a cable that Sayid followed from the ocean to Danielle?

I believe so. Good thinking.

Wasn't it a cable that Sayid followed from the ocean to Danielle?

Yea, but I had always figured that the cable was for Danielle...and for her electricity possibly. I know that the current of the waves could provide some form of power. I find it unlikely that would be the cable connecting the computers, it isn't even underground.

Yea, but I had always figured that the cable was for Danielle...and for her electricity possibly. I know that the current of the waves could provide some form of power. I find it unlikely that would be the cable connecting the computers, it isn't even underground.

Well, thinking about this, I would have to ask myself, (or you guys) who put the cable there? I don't know. I'm guessing Dharma. I think the cable is there to provide power to the hatch/bunker (s). So that would allow power to the computers and keep the equipment going. I'm pretty sure the cable goes off the beach into the ocean. It was just simi covered up with jungle debris when Sayid tripped over it. I'm going back to season one and see how the cable was discussed on various threads.

ps burningstar4, that's a great handle

Satellite is possible but it would be pretty expensive and difficult for the researchers I would imagine, unless it is government funded then it wouldn't be so difficult or expensive...right?

As for the cable, I think the cable would be running underground, but again I am no genious at this type of stuff.

I also wonder how someone would ever even think they could contact someone via the computer inside the hatch, how would you know if the computer was even connected to another one? How would you know you had internet accessing (assuming they do or did in the 80's). I don't know much about computers outside from Windows, and obviously the computer does not have windows, so how would one be able to know if they could communicate with someone else? And then, how do you go about communicating, do you have to input some sort of code to allow for that?

It's been in some discussion about that and from what I gather and agree on it that the computers may have been set up so that the different areas on the beach Arrow Bunker and Swan Bunker as examples, could communicate experiments...results of experiments? Also that they could communicate in the 80's but not the like such as the internet as we know it. When we memoed back in those days, sheeshh, ouch, it wasn't called email, lol Anyway, I'm like you I 'm not computer savvy even with windows, so it's pur conjecture on my part. I do know however that you could not talk in real time, or live if you will, like what was happening with Michael. I still say
1) Walt is in suspension (not a coma) and is able to do this via remote viewing. He isn't really sitting at a computer somewhere and typing physically on it.

2) The Others captured Walt specifically and have found out his fathers name and are planning another "insident".

Well, thinking about this, I would have to ask myself, (or you guys) who put the cable there? I don't know. I'm guessing Dharma. I think the cable is there to provide power to the hatch/bunker (s). So that would allow power to the computers and keep the equipment going. I'm pretty sure the cable goes off the beach into the ocean. It was just simi covered up with jungle debris when Sayid tripped over it. I'm going back to season one and see how the cable was discussed on various threads.

ps burningstar4, that's a great handle

But didn't the hatch have power from something else, I can't remember....maybe the electromagnetic box? I'm still thinking the cable was for Danielle since it led to her section of the island, unless she had followed that cable herself, but it seemed in pretty good shape for being at least 16 years old, didn't it?

And is a "handle" another word for "avatar"? If so, thanks lol.

But didn't the hatch have power from something else, I can't remember....maybe the electromagnetic box? I'm still thinking the cable was for Danielle since it led to her section of the island, unless she had followed that cable herself, but it seemed in pretty good shape for being at least 16 years old, didn't it?

And is a "handle" another word for "avatar"? If so, thanks lol.

Handle is the name you use, avatar is the cute picture you're using on Nichole Kidman and Eyes Wide Shut. That is Nichole isn't it? And.....your welcome

I don't know how to do an avatar, but hope to learn soon.

Going to go back to season 1 and revisit some thread on the cable. I know up until now they haven't even mentioned it again.

Didnt they say that doing anything with the computer other than typing in the numbers would trigger another 'incident'...maybe this is the beginning of said incident.

Didnt they say that doing anything with the computer other than typing in the numbers would trigger another 'incident'...maybe this is the beginning of said incident.

oh, no doubt.......hang on, it's going to be a bummy ride

Gosh I don't know if I can wait 6 more weeks. I'll have to watch the reruns, so I don't jones:biggrin:

OK. I'm thinking when the counter hit zero for a split second it signaled another computer on the island. (I'm thinking underwater hatch) Walt was in the room with it when it started acting weird so he typed "hello."

I believe the cable runs power from the island's thermo generator to the underwater hatch and also the necassary communication lines.

OK. I'm thinking when the counter hit zero for a split second it signaled another computer on the island. (I'm thinking underwater hatch) Walt was in the room with it when it started acting weird so he typed "hello."

I believe the cable runs power from the island's thermo generator to the underwater hatch and also the necassary communication lines.

Now that sound reasonable and good. Lets go with that. Underwater hatch. Why not. that's the clue to why Walt is always wet. I like it.

I haven't read all 11 pages, but I'm wondering how many people think that it's not actually Walt on the other computer. I'm thinking it one of the Others trying to draw Michael out into the open. What about the computer? Now that someone has found another function for it, it is going to throw off the expriment?

Now that sound reasonable and good. Lets go with that. Underwater hatch. Why not. that's the clue to why Walt is always wet. I like it.

Yep.:biggrin: Also, the reason I think it's not just Walt projecting somehow is I don't see why he would say, "Dad?" like he didn't know who was on the other end.

i posted this info on a thread about the film splice, but it seems appropriate here, too - especially as follow-up to my last link to the geek-talk version of this thread:

...there's a whole debate that comes up here and is the subject of couple other threads s well: whether the computers could communicate with the outside world. why not? don't forget there is a radio tower on the island. cannot the individual terminal station can be connected to a mainframe that then converts info to as radio signal and then...?

i found this interesting info about SETI, which is not a totally parallel situation but does address some of the issues:

http://www.wap.org/journal/seti/setiathome.html

So Michael's in the hatch and suddenly he sees "Hello?". So naturally he does what every man in a hatch, stranded on some crazy island after surviving a plane crash would do, he smiles and decides to have a friendly chat with the stranger on the other end.

i posted this info on a thread about the film splice, but it seems appropriate here, too - especially as follow-up to my last link to the geek-talk version of this thread:

...there's a whole debate that comes up here and is the subject of couple other threads s well: whether the computers could communicate with the outside world. why not? don't forget there is a radio tower on the island. cannot the individual terminal station can be connected to a mainframe that then converts info to as radio signal and then...?

i found this interesting info about SETI, which is not a totally parallel situation but does address some of the issues:

http://www.wap.org/journal/seti/setiathome.html

Sure, sure, SETI, I say why not. Aren't they, Dharma Initiative Group involved in the research (of some unknown origin) of Extra Terrestrial activity as well as Zoology and the likes.

well, the SETI reference wasn't so much a suggestion that they are talking to aliens... though that is one of the research stations, right? extraterrestrial life?

no, i actually put that link as reference to how the radio signal is collected, the data converted by a mainframe type computer, and then sent as digital data to personal computers... but you have to read more than the title, i suppose. i could cut and paste the pertinentpart but, eh - lazy ,me.

I wasn't sure if the countdown stopped or not - but there was some kind of beeping. I thought it was the code alarm but someone in this thread said it was a message chime. Michael was mostly observing the computers and wiring, not actually working on them. I was really surprised when the last line was "Dad?" since I wasn't sure who would be randomly saying hello on the computer. It could've been Desmond trying to get off the island. I hope it's Walt and that he is ok.

Yep.:biggrin: Also, the reason I think it's not just Walt projecting somehow is I don't see why he would say, "Dad?" like he didn't know who was on the other end. yeah,i thought the same thing,i don't know why but it seemed to me like the reaction should've been something more than merely asking 'dad?'..

oh and lostonlost7,i totally agree with you on that one..lol it seemed as if he was having a conversation on the msn messenger..:biggrin:oh well..

Dont forget that things are happening to people alot. I am starting to think it is the sickness. Take Jack searching for his father and he is there. Sayid wanting to believe Shannon and he sees Walt. Kate hearing and thinking Sawyer was Wayne b/c she saw Wayne in him. do you not think that the idea running through Michael's mind wasn't "I might be able to find Walt using this thing." I think the sickness projects our minds inner thoughts. There probably was no other writing on the computer but just Michaels.

Thanks for the link to the SETI info hellotzp. I guess I worded what I was trying to convey all wrong. I'm a member of SETI and am familuar with SETI's efforts. I joined about 2 years ago and have thier site loaded into my computer. Their program is pretty interesting, soooo I spend a great deal of time around my computer. They use satellites.

Some points I'd like to make:

1. Definately more that 2 hatch facilities or 'stations'. Assuming it's Walt on the other end, I think The Others are just as in the dark about Dharma as the Lostaways and have set up their own base in another, yet-unseen station.

2. The Incident. Has to be something that 'affected' the staff enough to warn the viewers of the film(s) about it. Seems to me that this 'incident' isn't confined to one station, and is something that affects the entire 'initiative'

3. It's all psychological. Both for the lost viewers and within the story, to the characters. We know that there's a Dharma logo on the side of the plane in the season one pilot...this has been planned far in advance by the DI people, IMO.

Thanks for the link to the SETI info hellotzp. I guess I worded what I was trying to convey all wrong. I'm a member of SETI and am familuar with SETI's efforts. I joined about 2 years ago and have thier site loaded into my computer. Their program is pretty interesting, soooo I spend a great deal of time around my computer. They use satellites.

very cool. the SETI project rocks. and your wording wasn't "wrong", really - maybe i was being reactionary, hahaha -

i just didn't want to introduce another topic on top of this one and realized that my post might seem like i was going off in the direction of aliens. which would be fun but... subject for a different thread.

on topic... one thing i've been wondering is about the big data processors in the room - apparently the magnetic data tapes are not effected by the EM waves at the station? probably overthinking it but i guess that's kindawhat the boards are for.. :biggrin:

Here's a cap of the computer, although it's a little grainy. Looks like an Apple to me.

http://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lostcomp22ct.jpg


I'm sure this is other places but here's a good comparison pic

http://www.tprthai.net/comps/apple2.jpg

OK. I'm thinking when the counter hit zero for a split second it signaled another computer on the island. (I'm thinking underwater hatch) Walt was in the room with it when it started acting weird so he typed "hello."

I believe the cable runs power from the island's thermo generator to the underwater hatch and also the necassary communication lines.

Now that sound reasonable and good. Lets go with that. Underwater hatch. Why not. that's the clue to why Walt is always wet. I like it.

Now that's one interesting theory. It would certainly tie up a couple of loose ends from last season and bring them forward to this one.

I haven't read all 11 pages, but I'm wondering how many people think that it's not actually Walt on the other computer. I'm thinking it one of the Others trying to draw Michael out into the open.

I was wondering if it were Walt, too, as mentioned above, finding a computer and figuring it out (kids are so good at that!), or if it isn't him, maybe one of the Others finding a lucky moment with Michael at the other end of their probing via the computer, and pretending to be Walt. I'm a little more inclined to think it's really Walt.

Yep.:biggrin: Also, the reason I think it's not just Walt projecting somehow is I don't see why he would say, "Dad?" like he didn't know who was on the other end.

yeah,i thought the same thing,i don't know why but it seemed to me like the reaction should've been something more than merely asking 'dad?'

But how would he have known it was his dad? He would have had to be sure.

If an 11 year old boy, after his mother dies (and while going to live with a father he doesn't know), survives a plane crash and then gets kidnapped off a raft in the middle of nowhere by psychos who then drag him into an underground (or underwater, if that theory is correct) bunker, I would think he'd have just a teensy bit of a problem trusting some words on a screen, and not just take it as a given that anyone who says his name is "Michael" is his dad. Maybe I'm just not as trusting as some of you are. :biggrin:

Handle is the name you use, avatar is the cute picture you're using on Nichole Kidman and Eyes Wide Shut. That is Nichole isn't it? And.....your welcome

I don't know how to do an avatar, but hope to learn soon.

Going to go back to season 1 and revisit some thread on the cable. I know up until now they haven't even mentioned it again.

Oh okay, my bad. Thanks anyway ;) And yes that is Nicole Kidman, Eyes Wide Shut is one of my favorite movies...basically is about the Illuminati, and I think some sort of society like the Illuminati could be involved in all this crazy stuff on LOST.

My question is if Michael is stuck on an island and has access to a computer and the computer sends an IM that says "hello" why wouldn't Michael react more like, "Hi this is Michael from the Oceanic flight that crashed. We're all here stuck on an island. PLEASE SEND HELP!!!! Whoever you are." Then when Walt asks, "Dad?" Michael can be like "Where the hell are you?"

Hmmm...it's like The Forgotten. The experiments on the island are still underway and they're observing how much stress they can put a father whose son has been kidnapped through before he absolutely breaks. It wasn't Walt- it was those evil DeGroots!

I don't even know if I believe this theory myself...and I just made it up!

...however I'm not sold that it's Walt or a figment of Michael's imagination. Everyone thought Shannon's vision of Walt was a hallucination...but Sayid saw it. Kate thought her horse was a figment of her sleep deprived mind, but then Sawyer saw it. Heck, no one believed the whispers or the monster/security system until a number of people experienced them.

I think Michael was just caught off guard and was not really sure what to make of it. I also think Walt made such a simple reply because he was shocked to see Michael on screen.

Of course they had to end it right when the conversation was bound to start flowing.:)


Oh and another thing about the possible underwater hatch. Remember the diver lady died out in the ocean. I'm thinking she was investigating it, part of it, or something to do with it.

I honestly don't think a conversation will take place between Michael and Walt for the same reason that a conversation never took place between Shannon and Walt: no further demonstration of proof beyond faith is necessary. On a more pragmatic note, Locke and Ecko will walk into the room after just having seen the warning and prevent Michael from typing anything further. This will, of course, lead to a dichotomy of tension which Ecko will resolve in some way. All of this is just speculation, but speculation based on presidents set by the writing and pace to date.

Dont forget that things are happening to people alot. I am starting to think it is the sickness. Take Jack searching for his father and he is there. Sayid wanting to believe Shannon and he sees Walt. Kate hearing and thinking Sawyer was Wayne b/c she saw Wayne in him. do you not think that the idea running through Michael's mind wasn't "I might be able to find Walt using this thing." I think the sickness projects our minds inner thoughts. There probably was no other writing on the computer but just Michaels.
Although I'm not certain what to attribute it to - the "sickness" or something else - I think these are all very good points. There does seem to be a correlation between what's going through their minds/thoughts and whatever it is they're seeing - perhaps its a projection of sorts - or as Hurley astutely pointed out.. a type of transference. We probably could add several Waltisms to this - the polar bear appearing, the rain stopping, a shark appearing, etc. Its making me think of "I think, therefore I see" an offshoot on Descartes' cogito ergo sum :undecide:

I wonder if everyone sat down in a big circle and thought of rescue people that aren't Others - if they'd show up :biggrin:

Seems to me that the 'sickness' is a progression we have already seen. The thing is, we have seen each stage in a different person. Keeping it simple, I'm saying

the visions on the island become
real within your mind, then become
real on the island, which become
your worst fears real on the island

Now, i had initially thought kate was the one getting sick, with all the nonsense that happens with her on the island. However, Sawyer is the one 'sick' just as 'Robert' was in Danielles eyes. We see the "vision" stage in jack, it becomes a bit more real in locke "within his mind"(the whole, letting go bit), it becomes real on the island within kate & the horse, and it boils down to kate and sawyer. kate and wayne. kate's mind caring for sawyer led to him being sick, and now he might just start acting wacked out just like Robert did. wouldnt put it past them to drag this out a little slower...but, there's some food for thought.

Just had another thought. Walt said, "dont press the button" (through some kind of psychic projection I'm thinking) so that he could then communicate via the computer.

I could be way off with this whole theory but I think it's interesting.:biggrin:

Fancy, I agree. I am somewhat confused though.They found the cable in season 1, and the hatch later. The cable must connect to something, if not just the island itself.

What I dont like, is the fact that we have seen that computer for 4 episodes (prob equal to about 3 to 4 weeks) and yet, RIGHT when Locke is watching the clip about not communicating, all of a sudden there is a message waiting for someone. That makes the show seem so desperate to me. If they would have shown the video, givin it a show or two until mike saw a message, then i would be proud/happy. I just didnt like the IMMEDIATE connection.

about being watched:
if you go back to when desmond heard the hatch blow open and he WATCHED Jack and Locke coming down the hatch, then through the corridors via video surveillance (i think it was some kind of telescopic viewing thingy he pulled down from the ceiling/wall!!), so it's highly likely they're still being watched. :)

touching up on the sickness thoughts,
maybe I'm being too practical, but I've been blaming Jack and Kate's "visions" on lack of sleep and being under huge duress. I really don't think it's any sickness. Now, those that are hearing voices...now that's something else. ;)

Some points I'd like to make:

3. It's all psychological. Both for the lost viewers and within the story, to the characters. We know that there's a Dharma logo on the side of the plane in the season one pilot...this has been planned far in advance by the DI people, IMO.

There was no Dharma logo on the plane. That was answered, by TPTB, here on the fuselage.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=22034&highlight=airplane+logo+dharma

rvt

There was no Dharma logo on the plane. That was answered, by TPTB, here on the fuselage.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=22034&highlight=airplane+logo+dharma

rvt

Whew!! Thanks for clearing that up! I thought I was loosing my peewee brain there for a minute.

My question is if Michael is stuck on an island and has access to a computer and the computer sends an IM that says "hello" why wouldn't Michael react more like, "Hi this is Michael from the Oceanic flight that crashed. We're all here stuck on an island. PLEASE SEND HELP!!!! Whoever you are." Then when Walt asks, "Dad?" Michael can be like "Where the hell are you?"

soon obi wan soon

Oh okay, my bad. Thanks anyway ;) And yes that is Nicole Kidman, Eyes Wide Shut is one of my favorite movies...basically is about the Illuminati, and I think some sort of society like the Illuminati could be involved in all this crazy stuff on LOST.

Illuminait is most intersting, but just to reply to you and if anyone is interested, here are a few links.
http://www.billofrightspress.com/index.cfm...

Illuminati - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati)

Fancy, I agree. I am somewhat confused though.They found the cable in season 1, and the hatch later. The cable must connect to something, if not just the island itself.

Absolutely the cable is connected to the island. At least I believe it to be so. I also think it has a great deal to do with the continued operation of the computer room.

What better place to conceal something like this but in the ocean. Who looks in the ocean for secret hideaways? The bunkers are concealed behind brush from the jungle, but I'm thinking maybe there is one in the water and that is where they are able to conduct the remote veiwing experiments? Walt speaking backwards, looking like someone is pouring water over his head. I think it's Walt alright and he is using the computer via viewing. Maybe they (?) have experimented with Walt's esp using a tank?

I still say look at the whole operation set up in that computer room. It has reel to reel backup tapes, spinning, running like crazy, as if it is really working hard to keep up with the data that is being put into it.

I think Michael was just caught off guard and was not really sure what to make of it. I also think Walt made such a simple reply because he was shocked to see Michael on screen.

It strikes me as unlikely that the Others would leave Walt alone in a room with a computer, so I came up with a different scenario. They could have tied him to a chiair, expecting him not to be able to do anything, but he rocked is way to the terminal and his hitting the keys with his nose or something. That would encourage him to send short messages.

It strikes me as unlikely that the Others would leave Walt alone in a room with a computer, so I came up with a different scenario. They could have tied him to a chiair, expecting him not to be able to do anything, but he rocked is way to the terminal and his hitting the keys with his nose or something. That would encourage him to send short messages.

dad/ that's what I get when I type with my nose. So i t can be done, but, I could not hold down the shift key and get the ...?... at the end.So, to me it's one of two things.

1) by telepathy or 2) someone else is lureing Michael.

Does anyone think that when Sayid reconstructed the computer after it was shot, he inadvertenly made a connection allowing for the communication oustide of the hatch? I thought that this might allow for them to communicate even though the computer might have been originally set to not allow it.

if you remember in numbers when hurley goes to find danielle, he picks up the cable, by the time sayid jack and charile join him they reach the end of the cable which goes directly into the ground and surrounded by what looks like a metal seal around it, screen shot would help to clear it up.

Does anyone think that when Sayid reconstructed the computer after it was shot, he inadvertenly made a connection allowing for the communication oustide of the hatch? I thought that this might allow for them to communicate even though the computer might have been originally set to not allow it.

I forgot all about the computer being hit. doh! That would make sense in possible the writers created the situation as over and taken care of by Sayid "fixing the computer". So to us and Locke etc..they would be thinking the same thing..like 'OK, whew good, Sayid fixed it' now, on to taking turns at watch over the button.

My thoughts. The scientist were so concerned about hideing everything and everybody and no one being able to communicate. But I don't think they ever figured in the fact that the computer could have gotton a virus by having wires crossed in able to repair or shotup. Good one redindb1.

this could be another piece of information supporting the theory that their behavior is being observed... the timing of the typing is just too convenient... :undecide:


Yeah. That makes sense.I can't belive that people haven't talked more about this. Who is to say that there are not cameras all throughout the hatch filming everything that goes on in there. If the whole button pushing and isolation in a hatch thing is an experiment, wouldn't it make sense for the people conducting it to observe? Someone can probably see everything the losties are doing in the hatch.

dad/ that's what I get when I type with my nose. So i t can be done, but, I could not hold down the shift key and get the ...?... at the end.So, to me it's one of two things.

1) by telepathy or 2) someone else is lureing Michael.

aaaaaaah! oh man, that made me laugh....

did you try using your tongue for the shift? c'mon fancyface! you've got your name to live up to. :msntongu:

:roflmao:

aaaaaaah! oh man, that made me laugh....

did you try using your tongue for the shift? c'mon fancyface! you've got your name to live up to. :msntongu:

:roflmao:

teehee, my bad. I could not help myself, I hade to try for hir's sake. Now don't make me hurt myself with these keyboard stoke attempts anymore:p LOL I'm so glad my husband wasn't here to see this. He would had taken my mouse privleges away for sure, and probably put me out to pasture. Besides my tounge can't reach that far. OOPS!! LMA OFF:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

dad/ that's what I get when I type with my nose. So i t can be done, but, I could not hold down the shift key and get the ...?... at the end.

Hey, Walt is special; he ought to be able to do that!
Okay, I admit this isn't practical, and I may have been overly dramatic. There is also the combination of capital and lower case letters, requiring hitting the shift key or caps lock. I guess it could work if Walt's arms were tied to the arms of the chair, but the Others struck me as people who would tie his hands behind his back. Anyway, it would be nice to see a scene with Walt trying valiantly to communicate somehow with the rest of the Lostaways.

hir wrote: Anyway, it would be nice to see a scene with Walt trying valiantly to communicate somehow with the rest of the Lostaways.

reply: I'm sure we'll get to see how Walt is communicating, but not so sure how soon. It may take sometime for the writers to write his character back in. This the computer communication will, however, be a new piece of the many pieces that will be revealed to us somewhere down the mystery road. I'm thinking it will take yet another year to find out.

This the computer communication will, however, be a new piece of the many pieces that will be revealed to us somewhere down the mystery road. I'm thinking it will take yet another year to find out.

exactly. think about where everything was last year and compared to now. never would have guessed there were stations and experiments involved with the island. surely there will be things to come that we can't even imagine even in the wildest scenarios.

exactly. think about where everything was last year and compared to now. never would have guessed there were stations and experiments involved with the island. surely there will be things to come that we can't even imagine even in the wildest scenarios.

Yeah I think this communication thing will prove to be a big deal that will lead to further mysteries. The missing piece of film has been a big mystery and when it was finally revealed all I could think was "is that it?" I can only assume that the issue of comminication will lead to the next set of questions. Like how the mystery of the hatch was answered with the mystery of the button. The mystery of the missing film has been answered with the mystery of the communication.

Well, all I can say is "I love it!" YOu never know what's gonna happen with Lost and that little bit of typing at the end will leave me wondering until the next mystery pops up!

exactly. think about where everything was last year and compared to now. never would have guessed there were stations and experiments involved with the island. surely there will be things to come that we can't even imagine even in the wildest scenarios.

That's a fact. I read spoilers, news articles, and participate in several LOST forums, and each time I see an ep I'm totally surprised at what they reveal. However, i find it a total waste for the most part to read spoilers, because they aren't 100% right. Thank goodness. Besides that, I really would rather be surprised what with all the mysteries they sneak in on us. It such a good show.

I think being able to use the computer for more then just entering the numbers is planed.

After all what fun is it to watch lab rats if your not going to temp them to do things they shouldn't.

ok, back to Michael...did anyone else think it was odd the way Michael seemed so casual about answering back when he saw the computer message! He's on a wacked out island, his son has been abducted, why wouldn't he be freaking out and yelling for the rest to come see this!!!! Some one contacted them for gods sake. He calmly sat down and told them his name!!!! Bad.

oh yeah,i agree with this..i expected him to shout at Eko and Locke but instead he just looked shocked a bit and replied..and when he got the answer,he kept writing..with a smile..!! i don't know,maybe this is just me being a bit too sceptical :),but i never got that smile on his face..under the circumstances..

Some points I'd like to make:
We know that there's a Dharma logo on the side of the plane in the season one pilot...this has been planned far in advance by the DI people, IMO.
FYI - There was no Dharma logo on the plane. That was part of the plane's outer structure. You can see it on a lot of old decommissioned planes, and it was most definitely not the Dharma logo, this has already been debunked a looonnnggg time ago.

I want to know where the sound came from.
The little bell that sounded before Michael saw the screen was different than the Button Alarm.

It wasn't an effect of something being received on the screen; it stopped once Michael replied.

Is there a speaker somewhere that Someone has the ability to operate?

i dont think it was walt. Hes been taken away and i dont see how he would get access to a computer without the people that took him knowing he was using it. I think its a trap

Maybe Michael thought the computer was connected to the internet. I mean, hell, there's a distress call that's been broadcasting for 16 years on the island. There's a hatch with all sorts of strange things, including an exercise bike, a full kitchen, and a film projector. So why not internet access?

Now, it would be funny for someone to photoshop up a picture of Michael trying to go to www.thefuselage.com (http://www.thefuselage.com) and getting "Sorry, the server is too busy at the moment. Please try again later."

Now, it would be funny for someone to photoshop up a picture of Michael trying to go to www.thefuselage.com (http://www.thefuselage.com) and getting "Sorry, the server is too busy at the moment. Please try again later."

Haha, hilarious.

I actually wrote about his ridiculous actions a couple days ago. He looked like he might have just walked by a computer at the local library and noticed a "hello." Yeah, sure, let's sit down and have some friendly chit chat with someone who has somehow tapped into a computer in some hatch on a maniacle island of kidnappers and monsters. Yeah, good job Michael. I mean the suspension of belief is fine by me, shoot, I almost believe they really are on an island full of monsters, but to expect me to believe his stupidity is asking way too much. I mean, if he now calls for Locke and Eko to come help, they should cut off all his hatch privelages.

I think that the reason Michael doesn't say anthing and just starts typing is because he is a dad! His kid is on the other end -- maybe--- the FIRST thing he's gonna do is say hello, later (which we haven't seen yet) he would say something to someone!

Im with the bumed out peeps on the reaction. He was too casual with the look and response. Also they never showed the clock after he looked at it stuck on 51 and it never made another sound for counting down. I hope he takes Eko with him since he has a keen(sp?) sense for the others.

Harold (Michael) and Adewale (Eko) were both on hbo's OZ series, Harold was in a wheel chair convicted on drugs while Adewale played a crazed african convicted of murder. that was to answer a question someone asked earlier on what Harold had done before for any relations to his story or to come later since the writers like to use that.

ok, back to Michael...did anyone else think it was odd the way Michael seemed so casual about answering back when he saw the computer message! He's on a wacked out island, his son has been abducted, why wouldn't he be freaking out and yelling for the rest to come see this!!!! Some one contacted them for gods sake. He calmly sat down and told them his name!!!! Bad.

I think he was still overwhelmed with everything. I mean, he's just seeing the hatch, thats pretty amazing in itself. He probably isnt any more surprised by the computer or what's on it... and you could tell he was a little surprised by the message. You notice that the losties never really went off yelling and screaming back to everyone that there was a hatch, even when some of them found out it was there. There's been a lot of times in this show when people's reactions are questionable. I think of Shannon being shot and then Sayid being tied up by Ana, why didnt Jin and Michael start screaming that he was one of them and a 'good' guy or even try to overtake Ana?? They just kind of stepped back and let it happen.

Im with the bumed out peeps on the reaction. He was too casual with the look and response. Also they never showed the clock after he looked at it stuck on 51 and it never made another sound for counting down. I hope he takes Eko with him since he has a keen(sp?) sense for the others.

Harold (Michael) and Adewale (Eko) were both on hbo's OZ series, Harold was in a wheel chair convicted on drugs while Adewale played a crazed african convicted of murder. that was to answer a question someone asked earlier on what Harold had done before for any relations to his story or to come later since the writers like to use that.

Off topisc just for a few lines peeps. But I saw Adewale (Eko) in Return of The Mummy last nighton tv. I had to pause and look at him relly close. He was centainly a bad guy in this movie.

I don't get some of the tripping out over the cable. When I first saw it I figured it had to be power for the island, or communications. When we phone overseas it doesn't go by satellite, it goes over a big, fat, tough cable dropped along the ocean floor, kinda like ooh, I dunno, maybe like the one Sayid found! I know we can't get too real world here, but I'm a technical kind of guy, and if I had found it, I'd have tried to determine if it were power or communications (comm is MUCH more likely), tried to find a way to use it, and if that failed, I'd CUT the friggin' thing, and wait for the repair crew to show up and find out why Japan and Fiji lost phone service to Hawaii! But that's just me.

I also think the computer is just a dumb serial terminal attached to that mainframe, and thus probably a lot more capable than an old Apple, including it's ability to network to other parts of the island, and/or the outside world over that big friggin' cable. Why else have a room full of computer hardware (that's still less than a 386 in power)? Also, if it's REALLY saving the world, wouldn't they have updated it, and written a simple program to automate the button push?
The BF Skinner reference in the film was either the biggest clue, or the biggest mis-direction of the season. The only real person mentioned, and he had mice pushing a button as an experiment to condition them? The mouse's reward for pushing it? Food pellets. Wonder if they were made of Apollo bars and peanut butter.
I think it's really Walt. He's doing everything he can to get out his 'don't push the button' message. If psychic projection doesn't work, then f**k with the computer. Sorry for the rant. Had to throw all that out there, so my head wouldn't pop!

tadream writes: I also think the computer is just a dumb serial terminal attached to that mainframe, and thus probably a lot more capable than an old Apple, including it's ability to network to other parts of the island, and/or the outside world over that big friggin' cable. Why else have a room full of computer hardware (that's still less than a 386 in power)? Also, if it's REALLY saving the world, wouldn't they have updated it, and written a simple program to automate the button push?

fancyface writes: I've been wanting to say that for some time now. Maybe it has been said, in so many words, but honestly the only reason I can come up with is that they have had to abandon the experiment(s)? Therefore nothing has been updated. Well, I don't think the experiment (s) have been abandoned. Also, that they never want those being experimented on to know what was going on in the outside world. My gut feeling tells me the whispers are all in a suspended state and are only able to roam this way. Liek Walt. Just my confused thoughts. lol