Just wanted to get some thoughts from you all on the blast doors. Anyone know anything about them?
Do you think that if our buddies down in the hatch don't push the button they will close, sealing people in or perhaps locking people out. Either way would be a real bummer. I mean, sealed in, with no way of opening them would be worse i guess but if your sealed out, no more groovy records or bunk beds or showers. I guess they better make sure they push the button until they figure out if those doors would be triggered or not.
Wow, and Kate let it go down to the alarm and Sawyer was unconcious inside. That would have been crazy.
I be interested in everyone's opinion or if anyone has info on how these types of doors work. Are they even something real?

I'm not sure how those blast doors will work exactly. But you can only enter the numbers when there is less than 4 minutes. You can't enter them any earlier.

I'm gonna play along here, :)

What if not pushing the button does blow island? and the blast doors are an attempt to save the person inside? dunno.

OK....they have to be real and they have to be triggered by some sort of alarm or by maybe the button.......but it looked to me that they would only seal off the room with the computers....did anyone else see that?

The obvious question is:

Are the doors to keep something from getting in, or something from getting out?

OK....they have to be real and they have to be triggered by some sort of alarm or by maybe the button.......but it looked to me that they would only seal off the room with the computers....did anyone else see that?

Yes... I'm going to assume the blast doors close when the numbers aren't typed in. I'm just wondering what the blast doors are supposed to protect, if anything.

It could be something from getting in but at the same time it could be for those captive to getting out. We don't know why the hatch is there.

Just wanted to get some thoughts from you all on the blast doors. Anyone know anything about them?
Do you think that if our buddies down in the hatch don't push the button they will close, sealing people in or perhaps locking people out. Either way would be a real bummer. I mean, sealed in, with no way of opening them would be worse i guess but if your sealed out, no more groovy records or bunk beds or showers. I guess they better make sure they push the button until they figure out if those doors would be triggered or not.
Wow, and Kate let it go down to the alarm and Sawyer was unconcious inside. That would have been crazy.
I be interested in everyone's opinion or if anyone has info on how these types of doors work. Are they even something real?

have no idea how they work, but i find it interesting you mentioned "sealing people in". on another thread (somewhere!) it was opined that the swan bunker could either be their safe haven or their tomb.....

The obvious question is:

Are the doors to keep something from getting in, or something from getting out?
Exactly...now whats the answer? LOL

Seriously, If the button's not pushed and the doors shut, the person doing the button pushing is either gone, otherwise unavailable or dead (can we say Run, Hide or Die)
So is it to protect the computer and all that stuff because it did seem it was just to seal off that room.

If the blast doors are only around the datacenter, I assume they would be to protect the data on those huge reel to reel drives and the other equiptment, as they must hold the data that if not yet collected would be destroyed by an 'event'.

have no idea how they work, but i find it interesting you mentioned "sealing people in". on another thread (somewhere!) it was opined that the swan bunker could either be their safe haven or their tomb.....

..this is a creepy thought

I think the blast doors are for protecting the computers . Who would seal themselves in a shelter and why would there only be blast doors near the computers? Well i think the doors are there to protect the computers from getting damaged by a fire or something . Thats what blast doors are usually used for and since they need the computers to input the code it would make sense they would protect them with blast doors.

Weren't Jack and Sayid trying to open a "door" down there in a previous epi?
What epi was that?

Weren't Jack and Sayid trying to open a "door" down there in a previous epi?
What epi was that?


No, Sayid and Jack were trying to penetrate the concrete. It happened it 2.04

No, Sayid and Jack were trying to penetrate the concrete. It happened it 2.04
Thanks,ozone...I remember them trying to get to the other side.

How does Michael know about such things as blast doors?

How does Michael know about such things as blast doors?


He said he was an architect. He may have designed buildings with blast doors.

I just did a quick google search and found this brief description of blast doors.

Blast doors and windows are used in commercial and industrial installations designed to protect personnel and property from explosions and explosion borne missiles.

Common Applicatons:

Refineries
Banks
Aerospace
Defense
Test Cells
Laboratories
Haz-Mat Facilities

wouldn't it be wild if micheal designed the bank that Kate broke into?

The blast doors seemed to seperate the hall with the magnetic room covered in concrete from the living quarters/ computer area. Hmmmm...

Remember, the hatches and doors we have seen are marked Quarantine on the INSIDE. This screams to me that these blast doors are added insurance to keep people in from somthing bad happening outside.

I thought Micheal was a construction worker, not an architech... The idea behind his character in season one was to portray him as a loser. (IMO)

I wonder if the Arrow hatch looks so much smaller than Swan because the blast doors are closed? That would also explain why we didn't see a computer in the tailies Arrow hatch.

Oooooo ... here's a wild thought:

Maybe the "incident" happened to Dr. Candle at the Arrow hatch. Something happened to trigger the doors, Candle tried to get out of the computer room before it sealed, the blast doors were coming down fast, he dove for the doorway and got his arm caught under the door as it closed! Thus, his fake arm.

Well?

It is possible that they were built to possibly SAVE people from destruction, like a bomb, nuclear bomb, end of the world? I doubt it would be to contain someone, because there wouldn't be much purpose in that. I'm going to assume it's for protection, from what, unsure, but something rather big. Could a blast door prevent chemicals from seeping in?

I wonder if the Arrow hatch looks so much smaller than Swan because the blast doors are closed? That would also explain why we didn't see a computer in the tailies Arrow hatch.

Oooooo ... here's a wild thought:

Maybe the "incident" happened to Dr. Candle at the Arrow hatch. Something happened to trigger the doors, Candle tried to get out of the computer room before it sealed, the blast doors were coming down fast, he dove for the doorway and got his arm caught under the door as it closed! Thus, his fake arm.

Well?

I like both the points you make, and how your spoiler theory ties in the blast doors, making the incident more of a big deal to Dr. Candle.

OK....they have to be real and they have to be triggered by some sort of alarm or by maybe the button.......but it looked to me that they would only seal off the room with the computers....did anyone else see that?

I agree with this theory. The other theory I would buy into the blast doors run throughout the island, and they are how Lostzilla moves around the island?

If the blast doors are only around the datacenter, I assume they would be to protect the data on those huge reel to reel drives and the other equiptment, as they must hold the data that if not yet collected would be destroyed by an 'event'.
Anyone heard of EMP ? The blast doors may well be there to protect the computer from an Electro Magnetical Pulse facility emitted from what i believe is
The Hanso Foundation Electromagnetic Research Initiative (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/emri.html) somewhere on the Island.

The Swan (Station 3, aka. The hatch) being the central hub for
The Hanso Mathematical Forecasting Initiative (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/mfi.html)

EMP will quite efficiently render any circuitboards and transistors, and almost anything else that uses electricity dead. So If an EMP was switched on somewhere on the island, the computer system as we know it may very well be destroyed, and that is the function of the blast doors...to shield the computer from an EMP.

I thought the swan was to study the "unique electromagnetic properties of this sector of the island". I don't get that this would be mathematical forecasting, but the electromagnetic study station.


FYI, the original video is back up on the Hanso website, with a new letter about a generous donation.

Whats up with these? Could they be significant later on?

My theory on the blast door is this: When they finally decide to not push the button the blast doors will come down and lock them in forever so they can die sealed in the hatch forever....just b/c they messed up the experiment.

It think they are significant and yet another clue dropped about the true nature of the Swan Station.

I think they're quite prepared for the worst in that station. They have a huge arsenal of weapons and now blast doors. Almost like they were expecting something bad to happen, maybe preparing for another "incident".

i'm that will get brought up later, how could it not. but i'm wondering if it will be brought up again as an explanation or something bad happening that they have to deal with
it makes for a cool twist though.

Not sure if this is significant but went back to ep 2.04, the part where Sayid is banging on the wall and right before Jack shows him the key being pulled up from the electromagnetic field and Sayid does say the word "door" when refering to the area that has concrete behind it that he was banging on. Did some doors already shut? Was the part of the incident?

Could they be significant later on?

Gee, ya think???

It's quite obvious at this point that the hatch is essentially a bunker in the "fall out shelter mode". You don't need "blast" doors to trap people in - you just need doors. So whoever installed the doors wants to keep someone inside safe from an explosion. What the source of that could be - a nuclear reactor? - who knows. But if it was so mundane, why the weapons? Why the elaborate mirror and periscope system Desmond use to view who was entering the hatch?

Maybe the US Military is using - or had used - the Island to test survivability of a nuclear strike? That could explain the brand on the knife Goodwin was carrying. Life Extension after a first strike?

J

It's quite obvious at this point that the hatch is essentially a bunker in the "fall out shelter mode". You don't need "blast" doors to trap people in - you just need doors. So whoever installed the doors wants to keep someone inside safe from an explosion. What the source of that could be - a nuclear reactor? - who knows. But if it was so mundane, why the weapons? Why the elaborate mirror and periscope system Desmond use to view who was entering the hatch?

Maybe the US Military is using - or had used - the Island to test survivability of a nuclear strike? That could explain the brand on the knife Goodwin was carrying. Life Extension after a first strike?

J

Alright then, someone tell me why the blast doors didn't activate and all hell break loose when they used dynamite to blow open the hatch?

perhaps they are just there to continue the illusion that if you do not push the button... the worst will happen.

Alright then, someone tell me why the blast doors didn't activate and all hell break loose when they used dynamite to blow open the hatch?

Is it possible the doors weren't set to be triggered that way? Maybe they have to be manually operated somehow, say by pushing a button? :o

Anyone heard of EMP ? The blast doors may well be there to protect the computer from an Electro Magnetical Pulse facility emitted from what i believe is
The Hanso Foundation Electromagnetic Research Initiative (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/emri.html) somewhere on the Island.

i dont think blast doors would stop the effects of an EMP.

The moment we were shown the blast doors, I wondered...who would get trapped behind them.

I still go back to Sayid & Jack exploring the underground cavities of the bunker.

Will someone get trapped and the only way to get to them will be via access from the bunker on the other side of the island??

i think the only way to get them out of the computer room would be to climb through the air vents. like kate did. the openning in the supply closet connects to the computer room.

i think the only way to get them out of the computer room would be to climb through the air vents. like kate did. the openning in the supply closet connects to the computer room.

Wouldn't being able to crawl through the air vent make the blast doors pointless? Aren't they supposed to contain something? If there was a fire on the other side for example, wouldn't the smoke be able to travel throug the vents?

Where exactly were the blast doors located? I'm sure somebody has analyzed the clip with the maps of the hatch to figure out their exact location and what they would be containing... Anybody?! :biggrin:

Passenger 23F - love the Dino avatar. ;)

I have a feeling it is part of the mind game they are playing on the push the button crowd - they being Dharma.

I know that after Sayid and Jack were underneath the bunker there was a lot of talk about nuclear power - it seems to me that it would just be a way of containing things if the power generator got out of control.

My theory on the blast door is this:
People were sealed in the bunker.

When the initial bunker people didnt push the button in the given time frame
the blast doors ...opened up...

Whoever has been pushing the button since has been wasting thier time...

I think the blast doors in the tailies bunker may have been activated, that is why their bunker was just that small little room and not the apartment style that Desmond had. Maybe they will eventually break through them to get into the rest of the Arrow Station.

I think that the presence of blast doors only offers more evidence that the Swan is actually an experiment of some type and not just a mind game. The blast doors seem not to be an extra detail to convince somebody of the button's importance because nobody even noticed the blast doors until Mike came down. Seems like a foolish ruse to back up the button's authenticity when nobody even takes notice of them; hence, the blast doors are for real.

I think the blast doors in the tailies bunker may have been activated, that is why their bunker was just that small little room and not the apartment style that Desmond had. Maybe they will eventually break through them to get into the rest of the Arrow Station.

John Wilkes Booth?

John Wilkes Booth?

:confused:

:confused:

His moniker....

"sic semper tyranus"

A very famous quote from history........

His moniker....

"sic semper tyranus"

A very famous quote from history........

I know the qoute, I just wasn't putting it together with anything from Lost....:frown:

Actually , why did michael notice the blast doors?
Does that give us any clues to his background?

I would notice them (insert star wars reference here) but thats probably the only reason why.

I know the qoute, I just wasn't putting it together with anything from Lost....:frown:

Oh, I don't think it has anything to do with LOST. I just was down in DC and happened to be IN Ford's Theatre. And when I saw his moniker, it jumped out at me.

OK,

What we know:

1. button isn't pressed, something might happen, but we don't know what.

2. bunker is already sealed up, hello, it has safe style doors

3. the blast doors seem to be on the computer room only

4. if the island blows, who cares about the computer then anyways?

5. the whole place looks pretty fire proof so probably not to stop a fire from spreading

6. lots and lots of weapons

7. probably not a key pad to activate the door because they haven't noticed it but then again, Michael is the first to actually craw around the back of the computers... they don't seem to bright a s whole

So, I think the blast doors are probably to a. keep out intruders that have breached the main doors (which begs the question why desmond didn't use them. or....

they are BLAST doors, so when the nuclear rocket they are sittting on launches, the computer room doen't get fried!

Actually , why did michael notice the blast doors?
Does that give us any clues to his background?

He has a construction background and seems to know something about architecture so it makes sense that he would investigate the room with a different eye than someone else would.

The doors seal off only the datacenter. If they are to protect the indivudal inside, then why did Desmond run screaming out of the hatch and into the jungle? I still think it's a psyc experiment, and nothing will happen. Maybe it's to see who out witted the experiment by locking them in. Hmmmm....

Or, I wonder if the button isn't pushed the blast doors go down and the magnetic area walled off opens up? Guess we will just have to wait and see.

Couldn't it be possible that the bunker was originally built by the government or military for testing or for shelters in case of a nuclear war (say back during WWII?) Then they were abandoned because they didn't need them anymore, or the DHARMA Initiative was willing to pay top dollar for the use of these bunkers in their research...therefore the blast doors were built for the original purpose of the military/government, not for what DHARMA was doing?

Just throwing another option out there I guess.

I'm betting that Desmond didn't even know about the blast doors. He was a jock, right? He was just a guy who could run really fast, right? He's not an "other" or some government agent who's job it was to contact a few of the potential test subjects long before . . .

Anyway, I just don't think Desmond knew about them, is my guess.
Njc-------------

They were more like "fire walls" (too thin to be "blast" doors)

Ok im gonna make a guess here-- let me know if im way off

Ok lets just say this is a psych experiment ok?
then some guy forgets to push the button, and he finds out its just a test. Hes gonna be pissed.
So im guessing when it gets to 0, either the data center explodes, leaving no evidence of the test, or the rest of the place explodes, killing the person, but sparing the datacenter for a knew experiment, because of the blast doors.

I always thought the other hatch that the tailies were in looked like there was a fire or something. Maybe someone forgot to press the button.

I'm probably way off, but its just a guess.

I wonder if the Arrow hatch looks so much smaller than Swan because the blast doors are closed? That would also explain why we didn't see a computer in the tailies Arrow hatch.


Oooohhhh Now that's a good post!!!!
i like that theory

Diamondone :biggrin:

Anyone heard of EMP ? The blast doors may well be there to protect the computer from an Electro Magnetical Pulse facility emitted from what i believe is
The Hanso Foundation Electromagnetic Research Initiative (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/emri.html) somewhere on the Island.

The Swan (Station 3, aka. The hatch) being the central hub for
The Hanso Mathematical Forecasting Initiative (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/mfi.html)

EMP will quite efficiently render any circuitboards and transistors, and almost anything else that uses electricity dead. So If an EMP was switched on somewhere on the island, the computer system as we know it may very well be destroyed, and that is the function of the blast doors...to shield the computer from an EMP.

wow that's Brilliant...
yup i can go with that theory
Diamondone :biggrin:

What I think makes the most sense is that whoever is stationed in the hatch is supposed to act as some sort of sentry to protect the data center.

To make sure that he is still alive and active, he is supposed to enter the numbers regularly. If he fails to input the numbers in a timely fashion the doors close to keep anything from getting in and out of the datacenter.
Whoever is overseeing the operation will also be alerted (the numbers not being transmitted any longer) and then take appropriate measures.

Maybe one of the "incidents" was that the sentrys were bored and absent from their duty and someone managed to sneak in there.

Desmond didn't know about all these procedures and the relevance to them because he wasn't officially assigned to the job but just stumbled in there. Kelvin didn't tell him anything because information was confidential.

What do you think?

Philipp

I agree with what pacejunkie said about the blast doors not activating when the hatch was blown up. I'd assume that there needs to be some type of "trigger" for the blast doors to lower. Either the countdown clock reaches zero, or some type of button is pushed.

As to the purpose of the blast doors, I'd theorize that the blast doors are designed to protect the computer equipment from destruction in the case of an explosive event. I'd guess these doors would also protect against fire within the Swan station...while smoke may travel through the air vents, I doubt that flames would.

Whether or not a human is protected by the blast doors is probably just incidental. Perhaps that is why the air vents connect the computer room to the storage room. If someone is within the computer room when the blast doors fall, then that person could use the vents to get to the food within the supply room...and might even be able to exit the supply room.

Also, if someone was in the computer room, then they probably would be able to enter the code and the blast doors wouldn't need to fall. If code entry controls the blast doors, and the code isn't entered, then that suggests no one is in the computer room to be protected.

I wonder if the blast doors could be raised again once they are dropped. Would someone really be 'trapped' forever within the computer room if the blast doors activated?

From the look of the Arrow station, whatever destruction happened there was fairly well-contained. There wasn't a huge crater in the island or anything like that. Maybe there's someone trapped within the Arrow station's computer room right now! ;)

Very interesting

What I think makes the most sense is that whoever is stationed in the hatch is supposed to act as some sort of sentry to protect the data center.

To make sure that he is still alive and active, he is supposed to enter the numbers regularly. If he fails to input the numbers in a timely fashion the doors close to keep anything from getting in and out of the datacenter.

Great theory! :biggrin:

Desmond didn't know about all these procedures and the relevance to them because he wasn't officially assigned to the job but just stumbled in there. Kelvin didn't tell him anything because information was confidential.

That's another great point. There are still plenty of unknows about the Swan station, since Desmond wasn't trained the way a regular participant (Kelvin) would've been. However...Desmond did seem to know about the injections, which seems to have become a moot issue. We didn't see/hear Desmond mention anything about the injections to the new Swan station caretakers. Hhmmmm. :huh:

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Hi I have read this whole thread, and was just thinking, if these doors are to protect the computer. Or protect ppl, and they only are activated when the timer runs out, does this not suggest that sommin must be let out or sommin gets out to come and get the computer when the timer runs out? (So in other words is the timer keeping sommin locked up?).

Cause for instance if u were in the bunker and lets say a polar bear happens to stroll in and u really could do with them doors 2 protect the computer and you (even tho protecting u would prob be first on your list) it may be a bit of a problem if u still have a good ten mins 2 wait until the timer runs out so the doors will close. I know I wouldn’t be 2 impressed.

(Oh and just a silly theory, maybe behind the doors (in other words the doors are already closed in the swan) is like a monitoring lab or sommin? like they are being watched and the doors are to protect the huge array of scientists on the other side) ??

Some observations from reading this thread:
1. Anyone with a construction background will defintely look at the way the room is built. I would have done very much the same things Michael did. Trace the wires, look at the equipment, look at the ceilings.
2. The doors were not 'blast' doors exactly. Blast doors would have to be much thicker and keyed into the walls and floor. These appeared to have some kind of magnetic lock on the bottom. Flat surfaces with spacing between them. I don't think these were keys.
3. Someone said that the doors are the arrow station were closed - So is someone still inside?
4. I'm not 100% on the layout of the hatch, but I thought that the doors were outside of the computer room in the common area - sealing off the living quarters? And the other door from the living quarters is a much less secure door than the hatch. So if you closed the "blast" door, you would have access to the computer room, common room outside, electromagnetic wall, hallway, and hatch. If this is true, then it isn't 100% sealed off anyway. Sayid and Jack crawled down a grate near the mural and came up by the shower. Of course, if it does close off JUST the computer room - then nevermind. My guess - It appears that all the guns, food, and computers are behind the 'blast' door.
5. I don't buy that Desmond didn't see the doors. If you're locked in a house for a few YEARS, I bet you know every spec of sand in every room. Plus, Desmond was trained by staff, wasn't he? I wonder why Desmond didn't know more...

the room itself doesnt seem to have anything of real value, and if you were trying to protect against intruders you wouldnt want to have the doors blocking you from the guns, so it is deffinitly not military.

it seems a bit more sinister

Blast doors are for helping scruffy looking Corellian smugglers escape from pursuing Stormtroopers!

I wonder if the Arrow hatch looks so much smaller than Swan because the blast doors are closed? That would also explain why we didn't see a computer in the tailies Arrow hatch.

Oooooo ... here's a wild thought:

Maybe the "incident" happened to Dr. Candle at the Arrow hatch. Something happened to trigger the doors, Candle tried to get out of the computer room before it sealed, the blast doors were coming down fast, he dove for the doorway and got his arm caught under the door as it closed! Thus, his fake arm.

Well?

I like this theory but steel blast doors were not shown in the Arrow Hatch - just concrete walls. Would they pour concrete over the doors as in (possibly) the Swan Hatch?

I have been thinking about this some more and have not seen it posted.

Michael's discovery of the blast doors was forshadowing of him being trapped behind them. Add this to his forbidden communication on the computer and it appears that the doors will come down and he will be the one trapped behind them.

I know that this seems too easy, but the clues do point in this direction. Since he is in communication with Walt perhaps his son will be the one to either prevent it or rescue him in some way.

I have been thinking about this some more and have not seen it posted.

Michael's discovery of the blast doors was forshadowing of him being trapped behind them. Add this to his forbidden communication on the computer and it appears that the doors will come down and he will be the one trapped behind them.

I know that this seems too easy, but the clues do point in this direction. Since he is in communication with Walt perhaps his son will be the one to either prevent it or rescue him in some way.

Now that is a very good speculation to a hidden clue about those derned doors. Yes in deed. I like it. I like the forshadowing aspect. No one has even thought about that. We could also say that Walt tries to him find a way out, but out isn't really out, it's to another bunker. I don't know. It really sounds like the writers might be planning on making something like that as the season finale cliff hanger? Oh Mama!

Michael's discovery of the blast doors was forshadowing of him being trapped behind them. Add this to his forbidden communication on the computer and it appears that the doors will come down and he will be the one trapped behind them.

That's an interesting correlation, but wouldn't Michael (or anyone else trapped in the computer room) be able to escape through the air vent...which connects the computer room to the supply room?

Also, I'd guess that Michael was the one to notice the blast doors because of his construction knowledge. It would make the most sense for him to be the one to recognize them. If another Lostie had noticed the blast doors, then that would probably be odd and we'd all be speculating about how that person knew about them [blast doors].

Just my 2 cents...:)

have no idea how they work, but i find it interesting you mentioned "sealing people in". on another thread (somewhere!) it was opined that the swan bunker could either be their safe haven or their tomb.....

I LOVE the idea that there are people still inside the arrow bunker!

When I first saw the episode where the tailies find the hatch (the other 48 days?), I thought Ana Lucia was going to find a door right before she found the creepy eye box. I had to watch it a few times before concluding it was just a wall. Love this theory!

That's an interesting correlation, but wouldn't Michael (or anyone else trapped in the computer room) be able to escape through the air vent...which connects the computer room to the supply room?



After rewatching the episode again, it appears the blast doors seperate the "front door" entrance from the rest of the station. If this is the correct placement, someone trapped inside behind the doors would be able to escape through the HATCH. This why the hatch was an "exit only" door.

After rewatching the episode again, it appears the blast doors seperate the "front door" entrance from the rest of the station. If this is the correct placement, someone trapped inside behind the doors would be able to escape through the HATCH. This why the hatch was an "exit only" door.

This is my thinking as well. That's why the hatch is buried, because it's supposed to be a secret "back door" used to escape in the event that someone/something breaches the front door... The people inside the hatch drop the 'blast doors', grab the guns, and head out the rear hatch.

To me it looked like the metal around the blast doors was newer than the surrounding structure.

Could the Hatch have been built and some period of time later, probably after the incident, the blast doors were put in by Dharma?

After rewatching the episode again, it appears the blast doors seperate the "front door" entrance from the rest of the station. If this is the correct placement, someone trapped inside behind the doors would be able to escape through the HATCH. This why the hatch was an "exit only" door.

Any one 100% sure of the placement of the blast doors?

It does kind of make sense that one would have access to the escape hatch if the doors seal you in, but I can't seem to distinguish where the doors are in the hatch.

does anybody got a link to the map of the hatch that somebody had made?

does anybody got a link to the map of the hatch that somebody had made?

I found this one over at The Lost Forum.

http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=14883

Right after Jin is freed by Locke in the computer room, Michael is standing in the computer/geodesic room doorway looking at the blast door. See the photo below. You can see the green geodesic patern lights on the right of the shot. The blast door seals that room only.

so only the big round room gets cut off? thats what i thought,

Right, I wonder if there's another blast door that seals the air duct Kate was in.

There is nothing to say that the blast doors were on both of the domes enterences. They could easily have been on the one enterance that went to the main enty corridor and the other could be on the entry that went from the living area to the main corridor.

Hence you could shut them and still live.

they would have to have a way to get out or in later, somebody needs to hit the button, if its so important.

they would have to have a way to get out or in later, somebody needs to hit the button, if its so important.

Presumably the blast doors are some sort of defence in the event of another incident (especially if they are newer than the bunker, as Chuck4207 suggested). If the blast doors come down after an incident, and the button is supposed to prevent an incident, then pressing the button would be irrelevant after the blast doors close anyway.

I wonder why the ladder to the hatch was broken? Maybe the blast doors were either not installed or didn't work during the last incident, so whoever escaped had to break the ladder to stop anyone following him (or her). You'd think whoever installed the blast doors would have fixed the ladder, or how is someone trapped in the hatch entrance going to get out anyway?

Presumably the blast doors are some sort of defence in the event of another incident (especially if they are newer than the bunker, as Chuck4207 suggested). If the blast doors come down after an incident, and the button is supposed to prevent an incident, then pressing the button would be irrelevant after the blast doors close anyway.

I wonder why the ladder to the hatch was broken? Maybe the blast doors were either not installed or didn't work during the last incident, so whoever escaped had to break the ladder to stop anyone following him (or her). You'd think whoever installed the blast doors would have fixed the ladder, or how is someone trapped in the hatch entrance going to get out anyway?

I have had time to think about this and it is entirely possible that the blast doors were installed to protect the occupants from attack from the outside. It has been pointed out here that the back door is behind the doors and was concealed (granted, possibly by time/erosion). They could be a protective measure to assure that Hanso/The Military retain control for forces that seek to take the station by force, or in an all out attempt to destroy it completely. I am not 100% sold on this theory, but it is a possibility.

I have had time to think about this and it is entirely possible that the blast doors were installed to protect the occupants from attack from the outside. It has been pointed out here that the back door is behind the doors and was concealed (granted, possibly by time/erosion). They could be a protective measure to assure that Hanso/The Military retain control for forces that seek to take the station by force, or in an all out attempt to destroy it completely. I am not 100% sold on this theory, but it is a possibility.

This makes more sense to me too. If someone came through the back door, why would the occupants want to lock them in there with the guns, especially knowing that they could get out again (now fully armed) the way they came in? It makes no sense to separate the occupants of the bunker from their weapons as a method of defence.

This makes more sense to me too. If someone came through the back door, why would the occupants want to lock them in there with the guns, especially knowing that they could get out again (now fully armed) the way they came in? It makes no sense to separate the occupants of the bunker from their weapons as a method of defence.

Exactly! So who would the bast doors be protecting the occupants from in this scenario? Other governments attempting to gain access or destroy a possible threat the Swan Station poses? Who else could it be? Did a conflict evolve between another station that wanted control of the Swan bunker? The others have control of the computer that Walt is using, but they appear to have no knowledge of the other bunkers...And where is Desmond???

Exactly! So who would the bast doors be protecting the occupants from in this scenario? Other governments attempting to gain access or destroy a possible threat the Swan Station poses? Who else could it be? Did a conflict evolve between another station that wanted control of the Swan bunker? The others have control of the computer that Walt is using, but they appear to have no knowledge of the other bunkers...And where is Desmond???

I think that Dharma participants working in another bunker tried to stage a coup d'etat and overthrow Dharma authority (Candle? Hanso?). I think that this was the incident and that these rebels became the 'others'. I think the different groups of others might correspond to inhabitants of different bunkers (seabillies in an underwater bunker, ethan and goodwin in another bunker, jungle kids from another one).

I think the swan bunker is protecting the inhabitants from all the others, and I think (and this part is on shaky ground after 'what kate did') that the button is a way of keeping the swan participants within a 54 minute radius of the swan, which is the area that the security system protects, thus pressing the button keeps them protected from the others. This would explain why Candle says the button protocol has only been in place since the 'incident' - the time when the security system was installed for protection. (The reason I'm not so sure about this being the function of the button now is the hint that it is linked to communication, but you never know!)

I think the others' knowledge of each others' bunkers is sketchy, as Goodwin's reaction to the arrow bunker suggested. If he was originally a Dharma recruit, he would have seen his orientation film and would know that he was in bunker 'x' of 6. But maybe they didn't find all of the rest of the bunkers. Or maybe they have tried to get in there at some point, and the blast doors came down, hence the small appearance of the arrow station (as others have suggested).

Anyway, I'm going to bask in this theory over the next 6 weeks, as I'm sure in the future it will fall apart week by week! :)

Goodsearched this one tidbit...

http://www.oism.org/nwss/s73p939.htm

B O O M ! ! !

Interesting HurleyHair. I wonder how effective they'd be if the nuclear 'stuff'(?) is under the bunker, as Sayid suggested when he mentioned chernobyl.

I suppose it all points to the whole nuclear idea though, and maybe the Swan's nuclear testing is over (hence the concrete), and the blast doors were installed when the project was moved elsewhere on the island.

Goodsearched this one tidbit...

http://www.oism.org/nwss/s73p939.htm

:crutch: B O O M ! ! ! :dead:


!!!
The bunkers are, after all, bunkers and not buildings above ground. They must have been designed that way for a reason. But need the reason be nuclear? There is an awful lot to think about here.

I think the swan bunker is protecting the inhabitants from all the others, and I think (and this part is on shaky ground after 'what kate did') that the button is a way of keeping the swan participants within a 54 minute radius of the swan, which is the area that the security system protects, thus pressing the button keeps them protected from the others. This would explain why Candle says the button protocol has only been in place since the 'incident' - the time when the security system was installed for protection. (The reason I'm not so sure about this being the function of the button now is the hint that it is linked to communication, but you never know!)

This is the first time that I have heard this idea expressed in just this way. I like it. Good work libs! :ntworthy:

This is the first time that I have heard this idea expressed in just this way. I like it. Good work libs! :ntworthy:

Thank you :biggrin: . I've been convinced of this for absolutely ages now, but I'm starting to think that maybe it's too simple. People dicussing the computer have mentioned that a computer of that type would only be able to perform one function at a time, and now we know that the computer can be used for communication, I'm starting to think that keeping the computer occupied with the countdown program prevents it from performing any other function, such as connecting to any other terminal. Since using the computer for communication seemingly led to the last incident, it makes sense that the button protocol would be put in place after the incident if this was its function too.

I just don't know which of the voices in my head I should believe anymore!

Read the A.I./Computer thread, also listed under "What Kate Did." There are some interesting ideas there. I have been reading different theories about this computer lately.

I thought Micheal was a construction worker, not an architech... The idea behind his character in season one was to portray him as a loser. (IMO)

That's a good catch....George Costanza always claimed to be an architect and he was a big loser.

I thought Micheal was a construction worker, not an architech... The idea behind his character in season one was to portray him as a loser. (IMO)

Yet the minute we think we have a reading on a character, everything we think we know gets turned upside down. Most people thought that Kate was guilty of euthanasia, or perhaps she had killed in self-defense. That's not what we saw in WKD. Locke's character has delivered so many twists and turns I can't keep up half the time. I would beware of making assumptions about Michael's character based on one and a half flashback episodes. There are still about 7 years of backstory between Walt leaving and present day on the island, not to mention the years before Susan.

That's a good catch....George Costanza always claimed to be an architect and he was a big loser.

I never made that connection... good catch

George: I'm, uh, I'm an architect.
Vanessa: Really. What do you design?
George: Uh, railroads, uh...
Vanessa: I thought engineers do that.
George: They can...

I found this one over at The Lost Forum.

http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=14883

totally awesome!! What a great job he did with this. Man I've got to learn more about my puter!! Such detail. Thanks again.

Yet the minute we think we have a reading on a character, everything we think we know gets turned upside down...

Like A L.

Danielle is still a mystery...I can't wait to find out more about her. So much great info has come out of her mouth, but we actually know little about her.

Thank you :biggrin: . I've been convinced of this for absolutely ages now, but I'm starting to think that maybe it's too simple. People dicussing the computer have mentioned that a computer of that type would only be able to perform one function at a time, and now we know that the computer can be used for communication, I'm starting to think that keeping the computer occupied with the countdown program prevents it from performing any other function, such as connecting to any other terminal. Since using the computer for communication seemingly led to the last incident, it makes sense that the button protocol would be put in place after the incident if this was its function too.

I just don't know which of the voices in my head I should believe anymore!

One thing we need to keep in mind about the computer is that it had its motherboard replaced so it may in fact not be as ancient on the inside as the outside would imply.

One thing we need to keep in mind about the computer is that it had its motherboard replaced so it may in fact not be as ancient on the inside as the outside would imply.

Cool avatar. Did you make it?

That's a good catch....George Costanza always claimed to be an architect and he was a big loser.

AHA! George is the best. Art Vanderlay anyone?

Cool avatar. Did you make it?

Thanks.:biggrin: Yep, I made it. Superimposed Locke over some cool lightning... and then the numbers of course...:)

I think that Dharma participants working in another bunker tried to stage a coup d'etat and overthrow Dharma authority (Candle? Hanso?). I think that this was the incident and that these rebels became the 'others'. I think the different groups of others might correspond to inhabitants of different bunkers

This is a really great theory and makes a lot of sense. I wonder why the non-Swan participants rebelled, and why the Swan participants did not. Perhaps the non-Swan projects were less tolerable or the participants were not there voluntarily.

the button is a way of keeping the swan participants within a 54 minute radius of the swan, which is the area that the security system protects, thus pressing the button keeps them protected from the others.

I have a few doubts about this part of your theory though...since the Swan station was designed to have a two-person team manning the button. The orientation film suggested the team work in shifts, which means Dharma could not be sure how large of a radius they'd need (one person could man the button for a 7 or 8 hour shift, or longer, leaving the other person with a much larger radius than just 54 minutes).

I guess I'm still not sold on the idea that the blast doors are meant to protect the participants. I think the doors were designed to protect the computer equipment only, irregardless of where the people are located in the station.

Also, I think it's still possible that there are blast doors at the other entrance to the computer area...even though they haven't yet been explicitly mentioned (or did Michael say anything about only that doorway having blast doors?). If that's the case, then that would be more suggestive that the blast doors are designed to seal off the computer room only.

It will be very interesting to see more of the Swan bunker, and hopefully other bunkers on the island as well. :shocking:

I thought Micheal was a construction worker, not an architech... The idea behind his character in season one was to portray him as a loser. (IMO)

I think the portrayal was meant to disguise his adeptness. The practicality and simple-mindedness of construction work he applies himself to in everyday life provides logic/reality to balance his artist's ability for abstract thought/vision. Also, he just plain doesn't give a f*** right now - they took his son, so to me, he seems the most able to say hold up, and see the situation for what it really is. He's a secret weapon...:rolleyes:



"all I heard was something about uh, electro-magnets...and an incident."

sorry fi someone has already mentioned this cause i aint read all the posts so far, but say the code is not entered what if there something being sealed in the computer room and cant escape the code act as its cell bars if you will. and if they not entered it escapes and blast doors are ana ttempt to seal it..

i aint thoguht this through much jsut an idea

i have visited this site for a long time now, and heres my first post. don't know if this counts as a spoiler but will spoiler tag it anyways....

i think that we will see the doors come down. under which circumstances i do not know, but i believe that earlier when they got the dynamite from the black rock they didn't take it all. this will then allow the losties to use the dynamite to blast the doors. but then again they are blast doors so maybe i am wrong

i have visited this site for a long time now, and heres my first post. don't know if this counts as a spoiler but will spoiler tag it anyways....

i think that we will see the doors come down. under which circumstances i do not know, but i believe that earlier when they got the dynamite from the black rock they didn't take it all. this will then allow the losties to use the dynamite to blast the doors. but then again they are blast doors so maybe i am wrong

hello SRIEDY. I think you might be onto something regarding the use of the dynamite in the near future. After all they still know where to get it. Handy little thing to have around if you need to dig a hole really fat, Say, for a new bunker perhaps? Things that make you go, HUM? Not that they're going to build a new bunker but maybe it was used to build the existing bunkers. Sorry off topic..

Seriously, there is a lot of computer equipment down there, it must be important. The blast doors must protect them. But the bigger question is, what do they do? Any ideas?

Yet the minute we think we have a reading on a character, everything we think we know gets turned upside down. Most people thought that Kate was guilty of euthanasia, or perhaps she had killed in self-defense.


To me, she did kill in self-defense. The implication I get is that her dad abused her.

Dimitri

hello SRIEDY. I think you might be onto something regarding the use of the dynamite in the near future. After all they still know where to get it. Handy little thing to have around if you need to dig a hole really fat, Say, for a new bunker perhaps? Things that make you go, HUM? Not that they're going to build a new bunker but maybe it was used to build the existing bunkers. Sorry off topic..

It would take more than dynamite to build them. What about all of the heavylifters and concrete mixers and backhoes etc. Presumably they constructed the bunkers and moved everything back off the island, as there is not trace of any of it. And that dynamite did not look like it had been touched in years. The ship is too old to have brought the dynamite for that purpose. I am so scattered today...

It would take more than dynamite to build them. What about all of the heavylifters and concrete mixers and backhoes etc. Presumably they constructed the bunkers and moved everything back off the island, as there is not trace of any of it. And that dynamite did not look like it had been touched in years. The ship is too old to have brought the dynamite for that purpose. I am so scattered today...

We are all feeling a little scattered lately. But, anyway, building those bunkers is way too far out of my realm of even wanting to think abou it. Maybe and that's a big maybe they might touch on this in say, maybe season 5 ? It's such a big show and people are jones'en :eek2: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :cool:

We are all feeling a little scattered lately. But, anyway, building those bunkers is way too far out of my realm of even wanting to think abou it. Maybe and that's a big maybe they might touch on this in say, maybe season 5 ? It's such a big show and people are jones'en :eek2: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :cool:

Yeah. We have not even seen everything yet. There is probably a huge underground megabase somewhere, and one under the water as well.

I really have no freakin' clue. Maybe they don't even work. I just wanted to make a post with my brand new avatar and see how it looks from back here.

I really have no freakin' clue. Maybe they don't even work. I just wanted to make a post with my brand new avatar and see how it looks from back here.

wayaaa'll I like it ! Good job

This is a really great theory and makes a lot of sense. I wonder why the non-Swan participants rebelled, and why the Swan participants did not. Perhaps the non-Swan projects were less tolerable or the participants were not there voluntarily.


Maybe the Swan station inhabitants didn't know about the coup.

i like this map better
http://www.cs.iastate.edu/~andorfc/paint.html

i like this map better
http://www.cs.iastate.edu/~andorfc/paint.html

WOW great link, and not just for the map! Props 23F!

i like this map better
http://www.cs.iastate.edu/~andorfc/paint.html

Most excellent. Yes Kudos and Props

I wonder why the ladder to the hatch was broken? Maybe the blast doors were either not installed or didn't work during the last incident, so whoever escaped had to break the ladder to stop anyone following him (or her). You'd think whoever installed the blast doors would have fixed the ladder, or how is someone trapped in the hatch entrance going to get out anyway?

I'd always thought the ladder was broken when they blew up the hatch. Is there some reason to think it was broken before? (Did I miss something?)

It would take more than dynamite to build them. What about all of the heavylifters and concrete mixers and backhoes etc. Presumably they constructed the bunkers and moved everything back off the island, as there is not trace of any of it. And that dynamite did not look like it had been touched in years. The ship is too old to have brought the dynamite for that purpose. I am so scattered today...

Agree with all of that (--well, don't know really whether you're scattered or not :smile: ). Dynamite does move stuff around, but not with precision. The area where the bunker would be built would still have to be cleared, leveled, and compacted to a particular density, then packed/layered with some sort of substrate (right?). So I don't think dynamite by itself would've been a great help.

After rewatching the episode again, it appears the blast doors seperate the "front door" entrance from the rest of the station. If this is the correct placement, someone trapped inside behind the doors would be able to escape through the HATCH. This why the hatch was an "exit only" door.
But it's also very well sealed. With the blast doors down, any nuclear incident (which is what I believe they are for ... Sayid even told Jack that there could be a reactor behind the walls) would be sealed out from those maning the Swan station.
To me it looked like the metal around the blast doors was newer than the surrounding structure.

Could the Hatch have been built and some period of time later, probably after the incident, the blast doors were put in by Dharma?
I'm sure DHARMA did install them later ... after the first incident.
Presumably the blast doors are some sort of defence in the event of another incident (especially if they are newer than the bunker, as Chuck4207 suggested). If the blast doors come down after an incident, and the button is supposed to prevent an incident, then pressing the button would be irrelevant after the blast doors close anyway.

I wonder why the ladder to the hatch was broken? Maybe the blast doors were either not installed or didn't work during the last incident, so whoever escaped had to break the ladder to stop anyone following him (or her). You'd think whoever installed the blast doors would have fixed the ladder, or how is someone trapped in the hatch entrance going to get out anyway?
I can't see how anyone in the bunker would be able to fix the ladder as it's metal and up too far to reach to fix it.
I have had time to think about this and it is entirely possible that the blast doors were installed to protect the occupants from attack from the outside. It has been pointed out here that the back door is behind the doors and was concealed (granted, possibly by time/erosion). They could be a protective measure to assure that Hanso/The Military retain control for forces that seek to take the station by force, or in an all out attempt to destroy it completely. I am not 100% sold on this theory, but it is a possibility.
While that's possible, I still think it's to protect them from a nuclear incident. My other theory is that the jungle Others are mutations from the first nuclear incident.
This makes more sense to me too. If someone came through the back door, why would the occupants want to lock them in there with the guns, especially knowing that they could get out again (now fully armed) the way they came in? It makes no sense to separate the occupants of the bunker from their weapons as a method of defence.
The guns are in the living area. Desmond got the guns out from a room off the living room and then went into the entrance to the geodome room, with the guns and living room behind him. Remember Kate came up from behind him when she hit him over the head and she came from the gun room.
I think that Dharma participants working in another bunker tried to stage a coup d'etat and overthrow Dharma authority (Candle? Hanso?). I think that this was the incident and that these rebels became the 'others'. I think the different groups of others might correspond to inhabitants of different bunkers (seabillies in an underwater bunker, ethan and goodwin in another bunker, jungle kids from another one).

I think the swan bunker is protecting the inhabitants from all the others, and I think (and this part is on shaky ground after 'what kate did') that the button is a way of keeping the swan participants within a 54 minute radius of the swan, which is the area that the security system protects, thus pressing the button keeps them protected from the others. This would explain why Candle says the button protocol has only been in place since the 'incident' - the time when the security system was installed for protection. (The reason I'm not so sure about this being the function of the button now is the hint that it is linked to communication, but you never know!)

I think the others' knowledge of each others' bunkers is sketchy, as Goodwin's reaction to the arrow bunker suggested. If he was originally a Dharma recruit, he would have seen his orientation film and would know that he was in bunker 'x' of 6. But maybe they didn't find all of the rest of the bunkers. Or maybe they have tried to get in there at some point, and the blast doors came down, hence the small appearance of the arrow station (as others have suggested).

Anyway, I'm going to bask in this theory over the next 6 weeks, as I'm sure in the future it will fall apart week by week! :)
I do agree that there are more than a couple bunkers on the island (with one possibly under the sea). In the Lost Mag. issue 2 it said there are at least 6 bunkers on the island But I don't think the blast doors are for human attack. I think they're for much more than that. Something that can't be "fought" but something that one has to keep away from. For me, a nuclear incident also makes sense as to what killed Kelvin (too much radiation will kill) and if the nuclear incident occured above ground, that would make sense as to why Desmond asked Locke if anyone was sick, ill or dead.
Goodsearched this one tidbit...

http://www.oism.org/nwss/s73p939.htm

B O O M ! ! !

This is exactly what I thought as soon as "blast doors" was mentioned on the show! Good find!!

its been brought up a few times that the blast doors couldnt protect a person from a nuclear mishap because of the vents and air ducts. now as long as we dont soon find something similar in the duct work then it has to be to protect from man or beast. and with horses and polar bears on they island i would have to say the odds are pretty good that they island could have other animals that we have yet to see.
super smart gorrillas
even evil kuala bears (spl)
im trying to keep to animals that have use of there hands, and its a little early on the east coast so excuse me for not thinking of any more but you get the point.
lets not subject are thinking to only man or illness. but i still wanna know what's up with the sickness. it hasn't been discussed all that much but 2 people have mentioned it.

its been brought up a few times that the blast doors couldnt protect a person from a nuclear mishap because of the vents and air ducts. now as long as we dont soon find something similar in the duct work then it has to be to protect from man or beast. and with horses and polar bears on they island i would have to say the odds are pretty good that they island could have other animals that we have yet to see.
super smart gorrillas
even evil kuala bears (spl)
im trying to keep to animals that have use of there hands, and its a little early on the east coast so excuse me for not thinking of any more but you get the point.
lets not subject are thinking to only man or illness. but i still wanna know what's up with the sickness. it hasn't been discussed all that much but 2 people have mentioned it.
We're only assuming that the air is coming from outside. I don't know about how ventilation can be handled but with DHARMA I'm feeling that almost anything is possible ... even in creating some kind of ventilation that is created from within the bunker without using outside air as its source.

but if the "bad" air is nuclear, isn't it coming from inside the hatch?

then the question is whats on those reels

then the question is whats on those reels

you mean the missing splices from the film?
that is a good question, maybe you should go find them for us

but if the "bad" air is nuclear, isn't it coming from inside the hatch?
But we don't know for certain just where their air would come from should the blast doors come down. I know nothing about central air or machines that circulate air or produce it, etc. So, I don't even know if it's possible to make air without getting it from outside. If it has to come from outside, then I would think (if my theory of the blast doors being for nuclear protection), they'd have some way to filter or create the oxegyn needed to keep the survivors alive. With DHARMA, I'm beginning to think that we cannot speculate only within what is known in the "real world."

i'm not sure either but in order to clean fallout type debris it would take some major filtering i would imagine

It would just be the air recirculating. Not air coming fromoutside. Like in your car? Fresh air, recycled air vents. Oxygen, air, hum? Which would go first?

Well, the way I look at it is like this, since the Apple II that is in the computer room was never designed to communicate with another computer (in the "real world") but yet it does, I see no reason not to believe that DHARMA could come up with a way to keep the air going for any that get stuck in there for as long as need be. But, of course, it's all speculation on my part.

I used to be a marine engineer in the navy. I've been noticing some things about the show from that perspective. The precautions taken against the "sickness" are similar to NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) precautions taken aboard ship (the "sickness" being essentially a biological agent).

In the event of a NBC attack, the ship's crew moves into an area amidships called the citadel. The citadel is is pressurised (to about 2 psi above atmospheric pressure) using a compressor, so that air tends to move from inside the ship to outside, rather than outside to inside (bringing contaminants in with it). The only way to enter or exit the citadel is through an airlock. The airlocks would not be nearly as effective without the pressurization, because opening the inner door would allow the air inside the airlock to mingle with the air inside the ship (or bunker in this case).

If Desmond's replacements have to pass through a contaminated area (the island) to get to the bunker, they should have to wear something like an IPE (Integrated Protective Ensemble - a gas mask, "Gumby suit," rubber over-boots and gloves). In order to gain entry to the bunker, they should have to pass through a decontamination station and conduct a fairly detailed decontamination process, including stripping and showering, before being allowed into the bunker. I didn't see any such facility, but it may be possible to go directly from the airlock to the shower without entering the bunker's interior.

As to the question of where does the air come from, it would be made to recirculate by closing the exhaust vents, and additional air would be supplied via NBC fans equipped with filters with the same media as gas mask filters.

Blamo (first, long time no see ... where you been hiding? ;) ). Second, awesome post! Thanks for explaining a way that the air could exist without using the contaminated outside air! I was wondering, after reading your post, could the double doors to the outside be the decontamination area? We haven't see that area in detail. I used to work at the Hanford WWPS base (nuclear power and all that) and there was a similar door set-up when people that had been exposed to radiation would go before they could enter my building. In there they would disrobe and put the clothes in a chest (lead, I'd guess) and then they could enter. Of course the amount of radiation those people were exposed to was much lower than what would cause an "incident" on the island. But the double doors could, I'd think, serve that purpose. What do you think? Oh, and it wasn't fool proof. Once I came back to my office and my guest chair was gone. I asked my boss why and she said, "Oh, they came through doing their usual geiger check and your chair was contaminated." She said it so calmly ... I freaked! :eek:

I noticed the double doors as well. They are obviously meant for decontamination. When I saw the episode "orientation", i noted how odd it was that jack opened and closed one door before he moved onto the next, when he had no reason to do so. This feeds into my unified theory, which I am currently working on.

Once the button is not pushed, the blast doors come down and whatever is behind the concrete activates. i would even speculate that marvin candle lost his arm to the blast door coming down in an escape attempt.

Once the button is not pushed, the blast doors come down and whatever is behind the concrete activates. i would even speculate that marvin candle lost his arm to the blast door coming down in an escape attempt.
Oooh, good theory! Either that or a polar bear got it! ;)

Blamo (first, long time no see ... where you been hiding? ;) ). Second, awesome post! Thanks for explaining a way that the air could exist without using the contaminated outside air! I was wondering, after reading your post, could the double doors to the outside be the decontamination area? We haven't see that area in detail. I used to work at the Hanford WWPS base (nuclear power and all that) and there was a similar door set-up when people that had been exposed to radiation would go before they could enter my building. In there they would disrobe and put the clothes in a chest (lead, I'd guess) and then they could enter. Of course the amount of radiation those people were exposed to was much lower than what would cause an "incident" on the island. But the double doors could, I'd think, serve that purpose. What do you think? Oh, and it wasn't fool proof. Once I came back to my office and my guest chair was gone. I asked my boss why and she said, "Oh, they came through doing their usual geiger check and your chair was contaminated." She said it so calmly ... I freaked! :eek:

Hi jb. :)

Just to clarify, the NBC fan/filter that I described would bring in air from outside. That would be absolutely necessary if the bunker is pressurised, to replace air that escapes when the door is opened, or just incidental air loss from imperfect seals.

I think the area outside the double doors could be the decontamination area. I've seen photos of terrorism preparedness drills where first responders decontaminate outdoors. They go through a "shower" while still in their IPEs, to remove any contamination from the outside of their suit. Then they could enter the airlock, put the IPE in a bin, seal it, put on a Dharma jumpsuit left by the person already inside the bunker, and enter.

Of course, it's entirely possible that the writers didn't research how an airlock works, or aren't going to go into this kind of detail about decontamination. :ohwell:

blamo,

Well, if that is the case of the blast doors, double front doors, etc. then I'd hope that the writers will do their homework and give us a believable result.