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chellly
12-01-2005, 07:47 AM
Looked around and didn't see this addressed yet. Now that we have seen the interaction with Michael and Walt via the computer, I wanted to get any new thoughts on why the Others took the children. I am wondering if it's specifically to pull button duty.

When the episode first ended I was floored. The messages between the 2 blew me away. Then I thought about it. Wait a minute...why are you going to let some random kid that you stole from a raft do something as important as push the button? Are the other children pulling button duty?

Discuss

Dicey
12-04-2005, 03:38 PM
Odd that my husband and I were just discussing this question. I really think that the island is an experiment where they want to examine what "damaged" people can endure, will do to survive, etc.. The children are taken because they are innocent and not to be a part of the experiment. Goodwin mentioned something to the effect of those taken by the Others to be better off, and I think he was referring to the ugliness of what might be expected in such an experiment and the children being spared this. I think Goodwin referring to those the Others take as being the good ones to be a very significant clue.

Nefeline
12-04-2005, 04:01 PM
But where did they take the children? Did they tell them about the experiment?
And why then is Walt still out there? IS he even still out there?
Why would anyone be so cruel and kill so many people in a planecrash just because of an experiment? Did the pilot know about the experiment? How did they actually know that anyone would survive the crash?
...I could go on now for hours...

There are so many questions where I canīt think of an answer if it truly was an experiment.. so.. I donīt think so.

Chad_of_Neptune
12-04-2005, 04:57 PM
If this indeed is all but an experiment, I don't think it would be that hard to drug everybody on the plane and somehow simulate the entire crash. The experiment theory also fits in nicely with all those strange occurrences in the show that all seem to indicate that they are all being watched, for example, the horse in last week's episode and Jack seeing his father on the Island.

LJones1000
12-04-2005, 05:22 PM
I highly doubt that wherever walt is there is a need for any button. I think that the button is unique to the swan station. That being said, I don't think whoever took walt is making him stay in a crappie bunker. He is probably in a nice research lab with, internet, tv, alex, etc. Ill bet that there is a computer where he is and he hacked into the swan station, because his abilities let him know that michael was there.

As to why take the children; Children are probably an unwanted variable to the experiment.

I think that the sea-billies are just security guards for the island.

...Or they are food for the barefoot cannibals. hahahaha!

tseng808
12-04-2005, 05:32 PM
i love the theory that everyone was drugged and a crash simulated, that may explain locke being able to use his Legs as perhaps the "researchers" fixed them?

but then aagin people were dead when the plain crashed so why kill some and not others?

BlockBusterBillionaire
12-04-2005, 05:57 PM
..Or they are food for the barefoot cannibals. hahahaha!

Walt's afro must taste nasty! Sick!

Monsoon_Season
12-04-2005, 06:12 PM
The children are taken because they are innocent and not to be a part of the experiment. Goodwin mentioned something to the effect of those taken by the Others to be better off, and I think he was referring to the ugliness of what might be expected in such an experiment and the children being spared this. I think Goodwin referring to those the Others take as being the good ones to be a very significant clue.

Very true, but I interpreted that clue to mean the good ones were who they wanted to experiment on. With an innocent mind and no personal baggage, children (and the good adults) would make ideal test subjects for all sorts of brainwashing experiments.

zstrata
12-04-2005, 06:17 PM
i love the theory that everyone was drugged and a crash simulated, that may explain locke being able to use his Legs as perhaps the "researchers" fixed them?

but then aagin people were dead when the plain crashed so why kill some and not others?

They didnt have to be dead. They might be fake bodies. What a good way to gas everybody, with the oxygen masks that fall in an airplane.

TheNumbers
12-04-2005, 06:18 PM
Very true, but I interpreted that clue to mean the good ones were who they wanted to experiment on. With an innocent mind and no personal baggage, children (and the good adults) would make ideal test subjects for all sorts of brainwashing experiments.

Bingo...But I don't think they're going to necessarily brainwash them. Children are easier to mold into what you want them to be. In childhood, it's been documented where traumatic things or childhood itself is repressed. Children, most of the time, are weaker in will and possibly in brainpower than their adult counterparts. This is probably why children are wanted above adults.

The adults they take, as Goodwin said, are the strong ones. This leaves behind the weak. So, does this mean the Tailies (minus Eko, because he was supposed to be taken but overcame his abductors) and the survivors from the fuselage are weak? We don't know yet.

i_love_dmjgmfna
12-04-2005, 10:25 PM
Very true, but I interpreted that clue to mean the good ones were who they wanted to experiment on. With an innocent mind and no personal baggage, children (and the good adults) would make ideal test subjects for all sorts of brainwashing experiments.

I agree.

tseng808
12-05-2005, 03:25 PM
They didnt have to be dead. They might be fake bodies. What a good way to gas everybody, with the oxygen masks that fall in an airplane.

yeah i suppose that would make sense ^^

chellly
12-05-2005, 03:33 PM
Lots of good points here. I have more questions than answers or theories that might be answers that is for sure. Especially along the line of this being an experiment and it is all intentional. If that is the case, why have the children on the flight at all? If they (being Dharma for now) are manipulative enough to get people on an airplane at a certain time, certain gate, etc. they why wouldn't they be able to take the children out all together? Unless there never was a crash (which I don't believe - just a thought).

zeronumber
12-05-2005, 03:57 PM
Goodwin said "The children are fine.", which indicates that the children are either safe, or adequately insulated from the indigenous danger/chaos that the island is experiencing. Whether on not an experiment is in progress at this point is not as important as the matter of control. I believe that Goodwin's faction is engaged in asserting control over some aspects of the events that are ensuing on the island, however I dont believe that they are any more involved in a privilged knowledge of what is truly going on then do the rest of the lost-aways.

The nexus of Control is the first recourse of the powerful and the jeopardized. The balance of contol on this island is not stable.

The children have just been salvaged from what the Goodwin faction knows is an untenable situation. I would not be surprised to find a maternal influence and power base who has taken upon itself to at least corral the children from the inevitable eccentricities that will become apparent as the story unfolds.

Whether that inevitability includes plague, madness, or psychic trauma, obviously someone has taken a vested interest to isolate the children.

Finally the mallebillity of youth may make them ideal or lend certain immunities to various limitations of adults. Whether this resource is exploitable by the seemingly nefarious purposes relating to their disapearences has yet to be proven.

(That being said, however, I have a hunch that Michael is not messaging his son.)

-"You dont have to have a point, to have a point" ...Oblio

chellly
12-05-2005, 04:03 PM
(That being said, however, I have a hunch that Michael is not messaging his son.)

I'm not so sure he is either. But that ending sure did leave us with lots to discuss over the long 6 weeks.

Slopster53
12-05-2005, 04:04 PM
Goodwin said "The children are fine.", which indicates that the children are either safe, or adequately insulated from the indigenous danger/chaos that the island is experiencing.


I'm not sure this is correct. I believe Goodwin said "Children are fine" not "THE Children are fine" Meaning that children in general are fine for a specific purpose, not that the children that were taken were physically ok.

marksman
12-05-2005, 04:37 PM
I believe the Others are the grown children of others stranded on the Island. My guess is they are immune to the disease that ravages everyone else, so the Others grab the children before the disease turns the adults into homocidal maniacs. (Danielle was immune because she was pregnant at the time of infection.)

I doubt the Others are working for Dharma.

Slopster53
12-05-2005, 04:43 PM
I believe the Others are the grown children of others stranded on the Island. My guess is they are immune to the disease that ravages everyone else, so the Others grab the children before the disease turns the adults into homocidal maniacs. (Danielle was immune because she was pregnant at the time of infection.)

I doubt the Others are working for Dharma.

Any idea why her being pregnant would make her immune?

marksman
12-05-2005, 05:13 PM
Any idea why her being pregnant would make her immune?

Insert arbitrary technobabble explanation.

MissScamper
12-05-2005, 05:15 PM
The first adults taken were the strongest men, taken to weaken the rest of the group. The 9 people taken 2 weeks later, were "good" according to Goodwin. Going one step further, those not taken are "bad" or opposites of those taken.

Slopster53
12-05-2005, 05:18 PM
Insert arbitrary technobabble explanation.

So thats a no then...lol

bearsgonefishin
12-05-2005, 05:32 PM
I believe there may be multiple reasons for taking the children. Some of these children seem "special". Walt has his "abilities" and Aaron's story has a psychic feeling to it. With Claire and her astrology and the psychic stating "danger" surrounds this baby.
The others may be using the "special" children for experimental purposes, tapping into their abilities. The other children may be taken because they will be easier to brainwash and or will adapt better to "social" experiments. (the kids in the jungle). Thats my guess as to what is going on.

marksman
12-05-2005, 10:51 PM
So thats a no then...lol

Well... er... that is... I... er... :undecide:

yes. :mad:

Toonces
12-05-2005, 11:21 PM
Vaccinations. It's just a loose theory I just had from reading another thread about the Hanso Foundation research website.

One could create a disease meant to wipe out the enemy, but you have to make sure your own people are immune from it first. Only way to know if the vaccination works is to inject the children and see how long they remain disease free, and if there are any side effects.

Not much for the test subjects to do other than wander around the infected island, maybe they get recreation time?

CaraRose
12-06-2005, 03:45 AM
My overall thought right now is that what's left on the island is the remenants of Dharma and its experiments-- where every good intention has gotten twisted and gone wrong. I don't believe any of the experiments are "active" in the terms of being controlled from some sort of outside source. Everything here has either fallen into disrepair or been forgotten.

I personally think that the "others" are the remains of an experiment for Utopian society. Those who remain now firmly believe that they are doing what's good by there actions. I'm not even sure if any of the original Dharma people would be left within them-- it would sort of fit with how the Swan station was abandoned. Instead we have the people who were wrecked onto the island and bit by bit, incorporated into the others society, and now firmly believe in the mission they were taught by the original members, with absolutely no idea why or what was behind it.

Children get taken, because they are easily incorporated and trained into the society, and because of their innocence.

Bayta
12-06-2005, 03:58 AM
I donīt think walt is with the others ( Goodwin people). I think heīs with someone else, people from another hatch maybe. It would be easy for the others to kidnap Walt in the jungle, he use to go around by himself at fist.
And like Ethan, I donīt think heīs part of Goodwin group neather.. too creepy to be part of this ideal society.

Slopster53
12-06-2005, 04:04 PM
Well... er... that is... I... er... :undecide:

yes. :mad:

LOL :biggrin: :biggrin:

Aaronia
12-06-2005, 10:21 PM
Goodwin said "The children are fine.", which indicates that the children are either safe, or adequately insulated from the indigenous danger/chaos that the island is experiencing.

The children have just been salvaged from what the Goodwin faction knows is an untenable situation. I would not be surprised to find a maternal influence and power base who has taken upon itself to at least corral the children from the inevitable eccentricities that will become apparent as the story unfolds.

Whether that inevitability includes plague, madness, or psychic trauma, obviously someone has taken a vested interest to isolate the children.



Reading this it struck me the symbolism of Aaron in his cradle (there’s this cute pic of Aaron’s sweet smile to his mommy in his cradle in episode 2x4 that I never seem to be tired of seeing, but I had already thought a few times that it’s really framed as to look like a cage).

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=748&pos=612 (http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=748&pos=612)

Locke took the trouble of making this cradle and for me that was just sweet, but I’ve read somewhere somebody noticing that the expression in Locke’s face was kind of weird. And actually Claire was thinking it was a trap.

Adding to it, Locke came in episode 2x6 and said : “Babies like the feeling of being constricted. It's not until we're older that we develop a desire to be free”. So there you are, “constricted” is the word, “not free”. And it’s supposed to be good, Aaron is clearly happy with it. I mean, there are hundreds of situations and sweet things to show about a baby but the writers chose to show us this. There is an emphasis in “constricting” Aaron and showing him happy with it, and it’s Locke who has always something to do with it (the idea didn’t come out of Claire).

The problem now is how to interpret this:

For me the meaning is more symbolic than direct: Something like the island (Locke seems to be in touch with the island ways) wants to constrain the children. Aaron has to stay that way, and for me it’s a symbol or indication of Walt’s and the rest of abducted kids’ situation (this is also in accordance with what Goodwin said). While the other kids are missing Aaron is the only child we are able to see and he might be taken as a symbolic clue to the island ways for children (besides being a source of worrying when are the Others coming to take him, or why don't they want him any more).

So Walt is “constricted” somehow, and not necessarily having a bad time, but given his abilities (enhanced by the island, or the “remote viewing” facilities in the island) he tries to communicate. The “backward” whispers may indicate that he is not really yet mastering those new enhanced skills, and he might be aware of the disastrous result of his last “appearance”, so he is attempting to communicate in a new (safer?) way.

Edited to make a correction

rvturnage
12-07-2005, 10:27 AM
If this indeed is all but an experiment, I don't think it would be that hard to drug everybody on the plane and somehow simulate the entire crash. The experiment theory also fits in nicely with all those strange occurrences in the show that all seem to indicate that they are all being watched, for example, the horse in last week's episode and Jack seeing his father on the Island.

But the plane DID crash. We saw it, at the beginning of "48 days". We saw the people & the plane fall from the sky, into the water. I'm pretty sure, in addition to making a nice opening sequence, it was TPTB telling us in no uncertain terms, that the people were in a plane crash.

rvt

Slopster53
12-07-2005, 12:56 PM
But the plane DID crash. We saw it, at the beginning of "48 days". We saw the people & the plane fall from the sky, into the water. I'm pretty sure, in addition to making a nice opening sequence, it was TPTB telling us in no uncertain terms, that the people were in a plane crash.

rvt

But did it crash on it's own, or did something bring it down? And were the two halves GUIDED to where they ended up somehow?

Willow7697
12-07-2005, 01:13 PM
ok this is my take on the goodwin/ana conversation just before she kills him. ana asks goodwin why the others are taking people, and he replies that they were taken because they were "good people". i interpreted that to mean that he meant that the people and children who were taken were "morally" good people, not murderers, con men etc.. not morally corrupt. since we dont know all the back stories on all the survivors im just theorizing but if you look at the stories we HAVE seen each one has shown that each survivor is not exactly a "nice" person (jin-mafia thug, kate-murderer, sawyer-conman, charlie-drug addict, claire-wanted to give baby up for adoption, shannon-maniuplator, boone-slept with step sister, ana -murderer, jack - maybe not as clean as we think). maybe this whole island experiment has been a form of reform/redemtion for the survivors. i still think we have yet to see all the info on michael, hurley, rose and bernard, sun and jack. it just seems a little too coincedental that each person has such a corrupt background. each of these people made bad choices for revenge on people who they felt had done them wrong. im not sure about walt though, he's the only one that kind of puzzles me.

lostgurl
12-07-2005, 01:14 PM
I have a question that is just a little off topic for this thread, but it still relates somewhat and I'm at work right now so I cant do much searching old episodes for the answers.
When the others come for the tail section children they also take other people, correct? Did they kill the other tailies and only take the children, or did they 'take' them? I know we saw graves, but they could be from people that died in the crash or after due to injuries.
I remember Ana saying something about them taking 3 one night and 9 another, but I cant remember if they took them or killed them.

Slopster53
12-07-2005, 04:12 PM
ok this is my take on the goodwin/ana conversation just before she kills him. ana asks goodwin why the others are taking people, and he replies that they were taken because they were "good people". i interpreted that to mean that he meant that the people and children who were taken were "morally" good people, not murderers, con men etc.. not morally corrupt. since we dont know all the back stories on all the survivors im just theorizing but if you look at the stories we HAVE seen each one has shown that each survivor is not exactly a "nice" person (jin-mafia thug, kate-murderer, sawyer-conman, charlie-drug addict, claire-wanted to give baby up for adoption, shannon-maniuplator, boone-slept with step sister, ana -murderer, jack - maybe not as clean as we think). maybe this whole island experiment has been a form of reform/redemtion for the survivors. i still think we have yet to see all the info on michael, hurley, rose and bernard, sun and jack. it just seems a little too coincedental that each person has such a corrupt background. each of these people made bad choices for revenge on people who they felt had done them wrong. im not sure about walt though, he's the only one that kind of puzzles me.

Interesting, maybe the Others were other crash survivors and their offspring who have been redeemed by the island, and venerate it. They would make all the questionable people be alone to be redeemed, I guess we still don't know enough about the backgrounds to make a clear cut distinction yet.

lkw3
12-07-2005, 04:29 PM
I have seen some theories that the island is like purgatory. Each person on the island seems to be trying redeem themselves for something in their life before. The two people who have died (Shannon and Boone) both came to terms with their personal demons and then died. Children wouldn't really belong in a pugatory situation as they don't really have issues to come to terms with the way adults do.

Is it also possible that Walt isn't really using a computer ? Given his special abilities he may just be using his mind to manipulate the computer for communication...

Slopster53
12-07-2005, 04:34 PM
I have seen some theories that the island is like purgatory. Each person on the island seems to be trying redeem themselves for something in their life before. The two people who have died (Shannon and Boone) both came to terms with their personal demons and then died. Children wouldn't really belong in a pugatory situation as they don't really have issues to come to terms with the way adults do.

Is it also possible that Walt isn't really using a computer ? Given his special abilities he may just be using his mind to manipulate the computer for communication...

Welcome to the Lage.:biggrin: Any idea what the kids are doing in the meantime?

hollisterbumx3
12-07-2005, 05:36 PM
hmm well when anna lucia was talking to the other with the tallies , he said : children are fine . then he also said : we didn`t take him because he was bad. so the thing is ..do the only take good people ? that`s what i think.

p.s the tallies call the others 'them' & the fuselagerrs or whatever call the them the 'others' just something i noticed lol.

rvturnage
12-07-2005, 09:18 PM
But did it crash on it's own, or did something bring it down? And were the two halves GUIDED to where they ended up somehow?

I'ts certainly possible that it was brought down...but it certainly didn't appear to be guided down to me, although I suppose it's possible. But why guide the tail section into the water?

The only problem the theory of the Others causing the crash, is that it would be impossible to determine who would live and who would die if a plane was crashed intentionally.

As you can probably tell...I'm leaning towards coincedence...:)

rvt

ExistentialAngel
12-07-2005, 09:43 PM
Danielle was immune because she was pregnant at the time of infection.

Actually the immune system is suppressed during pregnancy, otherwise the mother's immune system would attack the baby (the body sees the fetus as a foreign invader, like a parasite). It's also pretty serious if the mother gets sick during pregnancy as it's harder for the body to fight off, and you can't take very many OTC or prescription drugs during pregnancy.

Children get taken, because they are easily incorporated and trained into the society, and because of their innocence.

Agree with that. I also think that Goodwin mentioned that the strong ones were taken first, because they were a threat. I think they killed the 'strong ones.'

I agree with the whoever said that they thought only the swan station had to input the numbers. The last bit of film said talked about the specific temptations involved with station three, and it's isolation, etc., leading me to believe it only happens there.

1LovesLost
12-07-2005, 10:15 PM
Hi, I'm new here but I've watched that show over and over. Goodwin said that Nathan was not taken because" he wasn't a good person", which leads me to believe that the children are good but in what way? Also there were men taken from the tail section the first night, so I don't think it's just kids. Plus that same night Mr.Ecko killed to of the others, so I wonder if he's a good person also and maybe they were trying to take him too. But for whatever reason, I believe that the OTHERS take the good to protect them from the virus but I do believe they are part of the experiment in some way.Locke stated that everyone was brought there for a reason. And where do they take them, maybe to one of the other four Darhama stations. Most importantly why let a kidnapped child use a pc?

Slopster53
12-08-2005, 10:13 AM
Hi, I'm new here but I've watched that show over and over. Goodwin said that Nathan was not taken because" he wasn't a good person", which leads me to believe that the children are good but in what way? Also there were men taken from the tail section the first night, so I don't think it's just kids. Plus that same night Mr.Ecko killed to of the others, so I wonder if he's a good person also and maybe they were trying to take him too. But for whatever reason, I believe that the OTHERS take the good to protect them from the virus but I do believe they are part of the experiment in some way.Locke stated that everyone was brought there for a reason. And where do they take them, maybe to one of the other four Darhama stations. Most importantly why let a kidnapped child use a pc?

Unless its not a kid at all, but a trap!:cool:

MissScamper
12-08-2005, 12:52 PM
The 3 men taken the first night were the strongest. Mr. Eko would have been the 4th man taken, except he fought The Others off. Goodwin said this was done to weaken the group as a whole, so it would be easier for The Others to return and take the good people. After he spent time with them and decided who was good and who was bad (however he defined these terms), Goodwin made his list and gave it to The Others. Besides the 2 children, there were 7 others taken. I noticed a few of these people were older (2 men in their 60's, the middle-aged woman Eko pulled out of the water), but I don't know who else was taken that night.

Obviously, Goodwin felt Nathan, Ana-Lucia, Libby, Cindy, and Bernard were not good, as they weren't taken.

marym
12-12-2005, 03:20 AM
Maybe the plane was misdirected by the electromagnetic field and caused to break apart by some external means. The others may have taken the children because the disease renders them infertile if they are the remnant of an experimental utopian society. But how anyone could manipulate that many different people from such diverse backgrounds into all getting on a plane together seems too far out to me. Perhaps the goal was to get Walt, as most of the phenom. at the beginning seemed to come from him and all the other people that survived the crash were collateral, but the island is using them now that it has them.

Slopster53
12-12-2005, 10:33 AM
:biggrin: What I've started to wonder is what ages count as children to the others. Most of the attackers seemed like young adults to me. Maybe not over 25 or 26. Does this mean that the core of this group is most always children lead by a more mysterious core of older adults? Can't wait to find out

shadow23
12-12-2005, 06:27 PM
Finally somrbody gets it is it really hard to figure out why they take children.They r more innocent and easier to trick

Slopster53
12-13-2005, 12:12 PM
Why don't we just give up, all we have to go on is Goodwin's musings. Clearly not enough to form an educated probability matrix on a show such as this.:biggrin:

joonggook
12-14-2005, 06:53 PM
i kinda agree with slopster...you can speculate all you want about goodwin and what he said...i think the writers/producers like giving us vague insights to the real truth. they just like playing with our minds! but ya know what...i love it! so many why's, how's, and what's to answer......it's kiling me!

northshoreLOST
12-15-2005, 12:10 PM
They didnt have to be dead. They might be fake bodies. What a good way to gas everybody, with the oxygen masks that fall in an airplane.

Good Point! But I think I remember Kate not being able to use her mask because of the handcuffs. And she also remembers the crash.

bo_is_lost
12-15-2005, 12:17 PM
I don't know.

Slopster53
12-15-2005, 01:05 PM
i kinda agree with slopster...you can speculate all you want about goodwin and what he said...i think the writers/producers like giving us vague insights to the real truth. they just like playing with our minds! but ya know what...i love it! so many why's, how's, and what's to answer......it's kiling me!

STOP THE INSANITY! LOL:biggrin:

ExistentialAngel
12-15-2005, 06:55 PM
In thinking about Dharma Ind. and what they could possibly want with the children it occurred to me, like other people who've posted here, that children are the ideal test subjects. Based upon the eastern symbolism we've seen in Lost, I think that the children would most likely be used in the psychological/parapsychological experiments.

The eastern symbols/ideas we've seen related to Dharma Industries are:

"Dharma" Industries--Dharma can be translated as duty, holiness, or righteousness. The word is of Sanskrit (east Indian) origin, and was incorporated into Buddhism by Siddhartha Gautama Buddha, and so transferred to China, Japan, etc.
Pa kua/ba gua octagon symbol (which is actually the one used for Feng Shui... the pa kua/ba gua has complete yin--three broken lines opposite complete yang--three unbroken lines, whereas the feng shui octagon is arranged differently). Fu Hsi, a mythological chinese wise man was said to have come up with the original eight trigrams that make up the ba gua.
Dr. Marvin (of eastern ethnicity) saying, "Namaste" which is an east Indian word. Traditionally when saying, "Namaste" one places both palms together in front of the heart. Dr. Marvin plainly places one hand appropriately, and I believe would've done the other if he could've moved his other arm.
108 is a holy number in Buddhism.So basically, the background suggested by these symbols is not western philosophies, but eastern. Eastern philosophies include the concepts of:

Karma (which we've seen in action on the island--Sayid being tortured shortly after torturing Sawyer for example)
Reincarnation
Nirvana/Enlightenment
Impermanence/Mutability
The illusory nature of reality
The interplay between yin/yang
All things are generated/created/sustained by the Source, and so worthy of respect.Experiments have been done with yogis that prove that things such as heartbeat, respiration, skin temperature, body temperature, etc. can be controlled and altered at will. It is certain that many indigenous cultures have certain rituals involving multiple piercings in which those pierced do not bleed, or experience any pain.

Under hypnosis, pain can be controlled or transferred to another area of the body, or even experienced as a different sensation. Reactions to extremes of heat and cold can be controlled. Synesthesia can be induced under hypnosis. (Synesthesia is experiencing a particular sensory stimulus as another sensory sensation--for instance being able to smell light, being able to 'see' music, 'feeling' the tone of someone's voice, etc.).

All babies are synesthetic until the nervous system has completely myelinated (I'm no doctor so please correct me if I misspell or have my facts mixed up). I believe it takes about a year for that to happen, although a very small minority never lose synesthesia. The extreme startle response observed in an infant is not just due to the initial stimulation of, for instance, a door slamming. The infant would not only hear the door slam, but feel it, taste it, smell it and see it.

Children naturally fall into and out of hypnotic states all the time. Daydreaming occurs with alpha brain waves (the lightest form of hypnotic trance), and if you have kids, you've seen them at some point become hypnotized by the tv.

Children also go through a 'magical thinking' phase, I believe between the ages of three and seven/eight (my Piaget is a little rusty). So children would be ideal test subjects for the psychological/parapsychological experiments that Dharma would be doing.

My point with all of this is that children are naturally closer to the hypnotic states necessary to control the body, they express what they feel and are closer to their emotions than most adults. Children are very open minded (at least initially, before being 'socialized' into mainstream beliefs). It would be very easy to take each child, play on his or her fears and insecurities as well as their imagination in order to create willing test subjects. If those experiments were also playing to the child's need for power (say, remote viewing, astral projection, dream interpretation, psychic abilities, telepathy, etc.) then they'd create very willing test subjects.

Perhaps Walt is appearing to the survivors through some form of astral projection or bilocation (which some yogis, shaman, etc. are supposedly capable of achieving). Lost could just be taking proven abilities one step further with the addition of electromagnetic/technological help.

This isn't really answering anything, but maybe I've provided more grist for the mill.:biggrin:

Lil Lady Jade
12-15-2005, 07:46 PM
When Goodwin said they only took "good" people, could he mean "good" as in "good" specimens for the experiment? lol

jellybean1
12-15-2005, 07:56 PM
i interpreted that to mean that he meant that the people and children who were taken were "morally" good people, not murderers, con men etc.. not morally corrupt. since we don't know all the back stories on all the survivors im just theorizing but if you look at the stories we HAVE seen each one has shown that each survivor is not exactly a "nice" person (jin-mafia thug, kate-murderer, sawyer-conman, charlie-drug addict, claire-wanted to give baby up for adoption, shannon-maniuplator, boone-slept with step sister, ana -murderer, jack - maybe not as clean as we think).
Keeping the children moral? I think this is the most possible theory, but I question how Claire wanted to give her child a better life is immoral. I have not seen Locke commit an immoral act. But then again we have not seen all of the flash backs for every one. They have just started to touch on the back stories. Can't wait to find out.:biggrin:

edeewildwild
12-15-2005, 11:57 PM
Hmmmmm. Lost is very very layered.

Children are often seen as 'pure' or 'good' as they are innocent.

It may be that Aaron is too young (still nursing) to be of interest just yet...to the others. Speaking of children, I would not be surprised if one day while walking by the graves, that the Losties might start finding small children, Aaron sized, sleeping on top of the ground.

Just a slightly suspective idea...

Slopster53
12-16-2005, 01:59 PM
Speaking of children, I would not be surprised if one day while walking by the graves, that the Losties might start finding small children, Aaron sized, sleeping on top of the ground.



Thats the creepiest idea I've seen on the boards. I like it.