the timer did reach 00:00 before being reset, does this mean:

a) Locke got the numbers in on time
b) Locke didn't get the numbers in on time, Jack was right, nothing will happen
c) Locke didn't get the numbers in on time, Desmond was right, something happened, we just don't know it yet
d) none of the above...

you should make this into a poll...I think A. I'm sure the timer would not have reset if the numbers were not entered in time.

you should make this into a poll...I think A. I'm sure the timer would not have reset if the numbers were not entered in time.

I agree.

I think (A).

The counter had only been on 00:00 for a split second before the execute button was pushed. I would think that a whole second would have to elapse before any effect would be noticed.


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im not too sure about this one, that timer definitely hit zero. didnt that happen before in a previous episode (maybe the one with desmond? im at work and cant check right now...) i can swear in my minds eye i can see the timer hitting zero before...

yeh i think it was a close call....but now you got me thinking on if something might have happened that we dont know about yet...damn!!!! too many conspiracies in my aching head. swirling about.....more advil please

maybe just a big BOOM and everything is finished, the whole island gone :)

Or is that to much a doom scenario? :)

What if the counter hit 00:00 for a millisecond, which brought on the capability of the "hello" message at 51 minutes or whatever?

Its 000:00
Five 0's

What if the counter hit 00:00 for a millisecond, which brought on the capability of the "hello" message at 51 minutes or whatever?

I think C is right, and I think the poster above is correct too. This is going to lead to another "incident" Now we just have to figure out what the incident is...

Could it have something to do with the others?

Locke hit execute one or two milliseconds after 000:00 hit. The ticker wasn't on 000.00 for an entire second, and it was my assumption that it he did his execute in time to stop another "incident". I'm liking the idea that this could have openned the communication instant messaging however....hmmmmm

It did appear to hit 0. So I'm thinking that activated phase two of the grand experiment...whatever that may be!

;)

I had the same thought as above. What if the code was entered too late ? Before Locke could not enter anything into the computer before that 4 minute siren. Now Mike is entering at the computer. Could the incident from before be that someone in the hatch was communicating using the computer causing something bad happened (the incident), so they had to put a check on the keyboard that nothing but the code could be entered . The entering of the code is just a 'lock' of the keyboard that expires every 108 minutes. If you forget to put in the code the keyboard is 'unlocked'.

What if the counter hit 00:00 for a millisecond, which brought on the capability of the "hello" message at 51 minutes or whatever?

That is what I think. I think by letting it run out whoever is trying to "get in the hatch". By this I mean that things are now being set in motion that couldn't happen unless the timer ran out... we'll see.....

Good thoughts. I think when the timer expired it signaled a computer in another hatch, where Walt is. Walt saw something weird so he typed, "hello."

I also think Locke will probably keep the fact that it reached 0 to himself.

This exact same thing happened in another episode and the timer looked like it hit 0 for the exact same split second as the other episode. Why would the instant messanging thingo open up this time instead of the last time it happened?

Locke hit execute one or two milliseconds after 000:00 hit. The ticker wasn't on 000.00 for an entire second, and it was my assumption that it he did his execute in time to stop another "incident". I'm liking the idea that this could have openned the communication instant messaging however....hmmmmm

After rewatching the episode, Locke hit the execute button at least 1 second PRIOR to the counter going to 000:00. Once you see him hit the button, the view changes to the counter, where you see 000:01, then 000:00 then immediately 108:00. It's exactly the same thing that happened in Orientation.

Exactly! The clock hit zero before being reset which sent a signal out to the other computers, maybe to the people who are monitering the experiment. This lead someone to check to see if anyone was there at the computer in their station.

we've got at least 6 more weeks to kick this back and forth!

psyweb- i agree that Locke will keep that detail to himself

I thought it went:
Lock hit execute... looked up, and as it was executing and "deactivating what ever it deactvates" then the counter hit 000:00 therefore he made the save. And because it's old technology and the extra decimals weren't in account (as in milliseconds) the counter could only go down to the 0s. When in reality there were a few milliseconds left.
I also have to belive, unless they are going for the counter activating the communication technology, that when the counter does hit 000:00 (if it ever does) that it will be a bigger deal, and not secretive. (again if it isn't jacks theory.

Exactly! The clock hit zero before being reset which sent a signal out to the other computers, maybe to the people who are monitering the experiment. This lead someone to check to see if anyone was there at the computer in their station.

My only issue with that would be that it happened in almost the same way in Orientation. The button was pushed at about 1 second left, the timer clicked over to 000:00, then reset. And there was no checking up at that time. I think this was just a close call and no alerts went out. IMHO.. :)

It does appear that he got it in just in time, but didn't Jack see it? Not that Jack would say anything to anyone. I just wonder what Locke is going to say to Michael when he finds out the computer isn't being used for the numbers?

For whatever it's worth, the counter hits all 0's all the time. Everytime it resets actually. It only goes one way, it doesn't rewind to reset; it goes foward past 0 and counts down quickly until it hits 108. So IF something happens when the code isn't put in before 0, it is not triggered physically by the counter hitting 0. Something else would have to be the trigger.

After rewatching the episode, Locke hit the execute button at least 1 second PRIOR to the counter going to 000:00. Once you see him hit the button, the view changes to the counter, where you see 000:01, then 000:00 then immediately 108:00. It's exactly the same thing that happened in Orientation.

Exactly. When timer truly reaches 000:00, I think it will be a BIG DEAL (and hopefully not the cliffhanger for an episode/season finale). THAT would make me more than a little crazy.

I think the timer did hit 0 and when it did it alerted the other hatches (walts hatch) and it also opened up communications to it, so walt could talk to the swan hatch.

locke got the numbers input in time. the timer reset. locke looked relieved, then, a bit confident. jack was far more concerned about sawyer, and kate's whereabouts.

when locke was telling michael the numbers couldn't be entered prior to the alarm, he just randomly pushed buttons. he did try anything like ctrl+alt+delete :laugh:

walt's a curious kid, maybe he figured out how to access a login. or perhaps there are people who know how to use the system and showed him. that is, if it was walt...

i'm sure looking forward to january.

Good thoughts. I think when the timer expired it signaled a computer in another hatch, where Walt is. Walt saw something weird so he typed, "hello."

I also think Locke will probably keep the fact that it reached 0 to himself.

And if that's the case, when he finds out what happened with Michael, he'll blame Michael for "breaking it" (Remember that line when Michael asked Locke if it was okay if he looked around? Locke said...yea, just don't break anything. or something to that effect. I thought that was foretelling. Why would he tell a grown man not to break anything?!)

I think the timer did hit 0 and when it did it alerted the other hatches (walts hatch) and it also opened up communications to it, so walt could talk to the swan hatch.

This is an interesting thought. So, how would the other hatches be alerted?

Also, another thought I had...they are frantically trying to avoid another "incident". Why? I realize they don't know what the "incident" is...and fear the worst (Desmond asking if the world was still out there). But OBVIOUSLY, the "incident" couldn't have been all that bad, since everyone's still there and the project is still in effect. They merely took steps to avoid another. BUT...if another incident occurred...wouldn't the Dharma people step in and attempt to take further steps to avoid yet another? Or perhaps some damage control? My point is...wouldn't they have CONTACT with them? Wouldn't the "outside world" try to contact these people, who they THINK are part of the project and thus our favorite Losties could tell them they are survivors of a plane crash and would they please come save them?!

Is it just me? Is this simple logical deduction beyond Dr. Jack? Philosophical Locke? Anyone out there have any common sense?! :undecide:

Nonya, I think the Dharma people are no longer able to control what's going on on the island--beyond the filmstrip--which seems to me to be why they would've left such stark directions.

Nonya, I think the Dharma people are no longer able to control what's going on on the island--beyond the filmstrip--which seems to me to be why they would've left such stark directions.

WHAT?! If they are no longer able to control it, they should've ended it. Whatever "it" is!

I think the timer did hit 0 and when it did it alerted the other hatches (walts hatch) and it also opened up communications to it, so walt could talk to the swan hatch.

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I'm all for theorizing and so forth, but there is too much happening in Lost to base anything on "I think" when it can easily be a "confirmed fact" by simply research/re-watching. Especially something as a major plot-line as what happens when the code isn't entered. If you don't have it recorded, trust me, and other previous posters, when I say that Locke hit the execute button, then looked up as the camera panned to the timer which definately then flipped from 1 to 0. Anyone who can watch it again will see it clearly.

What annoyed me was the fact Locke went back and deleted both 2's of the mis-typed '22'. He only needed to delete the second '2' and continue with '3' to correct it. Given that he only made it by one second - it could have been all the difference.

I think Lostin48073 had it right: when it restets, the timer shows all zeros. That does not mean it reached zero. If the timer did reach zero could it be reset? If the timer is that important and it runs out, it should not be reset that easily.

i would love a timer runs out climax at the end of the season, maybe we find that it causes the plane crash. season 3, starts when the hatch blows up, everything caved in.

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WHAT?! If they are no longer able to control it, they should've ended it. Whatever "it" is!

Maybe they can't end "it", they can only contain "it".

Yes i also get the impression that Dharma are no longer in control - everything has gone beyond their control. Hence the state of the island?

I dont want to believe they are still in control as i dont like the whole 'experiment' idea.

In that Outer Limits episode that has been referenced, the timer hit zero once, but then they had an extra 30 secs or whatever to input their handprint. Maybe it's the same here, when the timer hits zero, they actually have a little more time to enter the numbers.

In that Outer Limits episode that has been referenced, the timer hit zero once, but then they had an extra 30 secs or whatever to input their handprint. Maybe it's the same here, when the timer hits zero, they actually have a little more time to enter the numbers.

yea.. it wouldn't surprise me to see another failsafe if it does hit 000:00.

It just seems to me that if Locke was indeed too late and the time ran out, then the counter wouldn't have reset - it would freeze on 00:00 and a siren would go off and all heck would break loose. But I could be wrong.

It just seems to me that if Locke was indeed too late and the time ran out, then the counter wouldn't have reset - it would freeze on 00:00 and a siren would go off and all heck would break loose. But I could be wrong.

I think so too. But as it's been pointed out before. The proof the Locke made it in time is easily obtainable. But you just know the time is coming when someone doesn't make it in time.

Yes i also get the impression that Dharma are no longer in control - everything has gone beyond their control. Hence the state of the island?

I dont want to believe they are still in control as i dont like the whole 'experiment' idea.

this might not be the right thread to bring this up, but it does relate directly to your comment and had been something i've thought about a lot with the show:

the show is called LOST.

it'll be greatly satisfying to me, if nobody else (well, though - we seemto be in agreement on this, so if nobody but we 2), if they stick with that concept. i hope what is happening on the island is not some part of a nefarious, world-wide, secret super-conspiracy that is totally in control of everything - right down to the tie marvin candle is wearing. (heh heh.)

what i'm hoping for is that they've lost control. that the experiment is basically abandonded, dumped like nuclear waste in industrial drums, right off the coastline. out of sight, out of mind, but still a viable danger. that can be stirred up at any time.

the writers are doing a pretty fine job of building characters who are somehow lost - in their lives, in addiction, in terms of morals, in control of their own destinies. it would be cool if the island history was a parallel.

I think so too. But as it's been pointed out before. The proof the Locke made it in time is easily obtainable. But you just know the time is coming when someone doesn't make it in time.

Agreed. If th button hadn't been pressed in time, the timer would stay on 000:00. Yet it reset back to 108:00 and was counting down again as evidenced when Michael saw it was at 051:xx. If whatever it controlled was activated because the button wasn't pushed in time, why would it count down again?

But you know the 'Lage, facts and screencaps never stopped anyone from running with theorys'. When someone misses the button, and someone will purposely or thru negligence, i think it will be a big event, the audience will know. It won't be buried amongst other plot points.