What did you think?

Nothing happened until the end in which they revealed they have contact with the outside world.

I loved the scene at the end with Jack. Jack, Ben and Juliet are the only characters they have shown in the last 2 episodes I like anymore. Sun was sooooo OOC that it bothered me, not to mention her flashback only showed that her baby might not be Jin's. Something about the second episode, this season and last season.

Excellent episode. Amazing ending. Ben telling Jack that he's been on the island his whole life totally made me scared of him now. I don't know why... or why now.

Another above average episode, just about on par with the first one. They're really bringing their A-Games out for these first 6 episodes.

I loved it. Sun shooting Colleen totally surprised me. And of course I couldn't be happier about all the Sawyer/Kate bits. :D

Amazing! Just when you think you've figured it out...WRONG! They hit you with another punch!


Like Ben being on craphole island all his life!


Def one of the best!

I was left wanting more......nothing really special was said, done or revealed.
I'm dissapointed.

Namaste, Eric.

Without question, the best Sun/Jin-centric episode so far.

Really Good! I still want to believe in Sun...even if I have to stretch it...It crossed my mind that Ben and Juliet have a past..."You never made soup for Me" ???? I am almost disapointed they are going back to losties so soon ...of course Jack will have to operate on Collen..easy to see coming..

Sun's a total liar! Even when she was a little girl. I liked when Sayid asked her, "What do you know about lying?" It takes one to know what is my guess. I just don't like that it comes so much out of left field. Although she did poison Jin earlier in the series in an attempt to get her own way. I'm thinking that EVERYONE on the island has an 'bad' side to their character.

Sun's a total liar! Even when she was a little girl. I liked when Sayid asked her, "What do you know about lying?" It takes one to know what is my guess. I just don't like that it comes so much out of left field. Although she did poison Jin earlier in the series in an attempt to get her own way. I'm thinking that EVERYONE on the island has an 'bad' side to their character.
Thats how I feel. It is just so random, and kind of boring. Why can't they all be happy?;)

Without question, the best Sun/Jin-centric episode so far.
I totally agree. Jae's death was shocking, and the irony surrounding who will run away and who won't.... If Sun knew WHO caused the suicide...






Plus.... that Skate kiss! :eek2:

Above average. Jack, Ben and the Sox ended up stealing the show in the last minute, but the other character work was mostly great as well. This is the first time since "Do No Harm" that I've liked Sun's character at all, and I hope these baby steps towards a stronger, more independent Sun actually stick this time.

On the negative side, Sawyer looking at Kate in aggreeance with the Other at the suggestion of removing her dress is probably the single most pathetic thing hes done on the island. He gets written as such a chump all the time. A funny chump, but a chump nonetheless.

Thats how I feel. It is just so random, and kind of boring. Why can't they all be happy?;)

Because only bad acting is more boring than watching happy people be happy.

Fortunately, Lost has neither. :)

I have never said anything negative about Lost and have always been totally devoted, but tonight's show was the worst let down ever! What are the writers thinking ( or not )? I'm going to go watch it again in hopes to find something positive! I did love Sun shooting Colleen! Ready for next week.

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I loved the ending, being from Boston myself, but it really just saved it from being bad.

Great, great writing. Just when I think the writers must be at a dead end they come up with more and more. Can't wait until next week - Locke, Eko, Desmond, enough said. Great episode and doesn't Michael Emerson play a villain(?) really well?

I loved the ending, being from Boston myself, but it really just saved it from being bad.

Me too exactly. I though up until the last scene the whole epsiode was kinda blah. Not too much going on, nothing too important. Another Sun and Jin marital issues flashback... It's been done quite a few times before. I like Sun and Jin a lot, I really do, but honestly, I would much rather see what's going on with Locke and Eko right now. It just seemed kind of dull overall.

Until the last scene. Henry is amazing - his character is just so twistedly evil and wonderful. His scene with Jack was way more interesting than everything that happened before. Michael Emerson is just such an amazing actor.

And I'm from Boston too so any mention of coming back to beat the Yankees in the most unbelievable way possible and then going on to win the Series can only be good. That really brought the episode up :smile:

Above average. Definitely the best Sun/Jin centric. Sun can lie right to your face and you wouldn't even know...damn she's good at it. The ending with Ben and Jack was really good, because I would have never guessed that Ben lived his entire life on the island. Makes you think if all the Others lived there all along as well?

Next week...Eko!!:)

I thought it was great. That ending was awesome. I loved the action and the return of Alex. What's with Sawyer being such a horndog though? There was only one thing on his mind the whole time.

the writing this season is so good. the show is starting to feel exciting again--tonight's episode was the first time I've actually been on the edge of my seat for a good chunk of the episode in a long, long time.

i'm getting increasingly excited for this season the more we learn.

Above average.

I love this show! Thing is, Sun being deceptive and a liar was foreshadowed early in the show with her wanting to poison her husband and poisoning Michael instead and her planning to leave her husband at the airport. Weird thing that Sun is the killer and Jin could not kill when faced with the situation. (of course it was different circumstances and Jin wasn't scared for his life like Sun was)

The skate scenes were not as compelling as lasts week I'm afraid. Nothing special about the kiss.

The ending with Jack and Ben was great. I love how they referred back to the "Red Sox will never win" in season 1.

After being slightly dissapointed in last weeks, my faith in Lost has been renewed! I loved this episode. I put it as one of their best and I really think it was. Amazing! loved Sawyer and Kate, loved Sayid, loved the flashbacks, loved Jack and Ben, loved everything except the fact that we were still lacking half the cast, that will continue to annoy me until I see every last one of them! :smile:

I voted "Above Average", but that's probably mostly due to the fact that Season 2 brought the 'average' down SO far, it's now pretty easy to best anything from Season 2.

This episode had some good dialogue, some intersting interactions, and some highlights (Colleen being shot being one of them). But it also had some massive problems (detailed in the 'eh' thread, I won't regurgitate them here).

Overall, I was definitely entertained for the whole show, but it lacked that 'oomph' that the better episodes of the series have had. Still, it was better than the majority of Season 2 episodes.

I loved it! I thought it was hilarious and just great in general. I love this show! Bring on next week!

Definitely one of their best.

Best ending EVER. As a Sox fan from Boston, this was huge for me. I was screaming and clapping and laughing with excitement.

Skate kiss: hot. Skate interaction: adorable.

Benry: mesmerizing.

Juliet: cool and calm.

Sun: much more than meets the way. Way to shoot Colleen!

I was totally expecting a lame FB and was very pleased instead. Very interesting plot with Mr. Paik, the cheating, the death of Jae Lee... and all the speculation now involved in it... who knows what? who did what? who caused what? I loved it.

I was really dissapointed last week. The spoilers had given away everything and the writing hadn't lived up to my expectations. I was totally unenthused and didn't even mind that I didn't have time to post on the Fuse about the episode. This time? I'm up til 1am posting and posting and posting. This episode rocked!

I loved it as well. I have to admit that I was shocked that Sun had actually had an affair with Jae. In the past, I have been surprised at how unspoiled Sun was considering her very privileged upbringing. Now, I realize that she has had to unlearn some of her thoughtless ways or at least try to.
I was so dreading the Jin would cross a line he could never undo. I was really proud for him that he didn't do that. My husband and I think that Sun's father helped Jae over the balcony.
I was also surprised at Mr. Paik's support of Jin. I know he manipulated him to some degree but he truly seemed to think highly of him.
I think that Sawyer is getting more and more complex. Everyone's talking about what a horndog he was but if you look at it in the context of what he was trying to accomplish, it casts a totally different light on the situation. He really wants the Others to underestimate him so that he can get the upper hand (which we know he won't because he's rarely allowed to sit in that cat bird's seat). I also noticed when they threw him back into the cage that his shoulder was hurting him and kudos to Josh for playing that in a realistic way! :clap:
I loved Kate's stoicism in doing what needed be done after Sawyer was zapped because of her sassin'.
Was glad to see Alex...
I just knew that the Red Sox game would break Jack! I also wondered how in the world Henry could know that that would be the thing that might break him??
Benry's such a masterful liar and I think that Colleen may match him in that area. We'll just have to see. Yeah, I think Benry and Juliet had a thing and it's over now for some reason - probably because Juliet believes she should be allowed to think for herself.
Great episode and one I will be rewatching after I get off the boards for the night! :biggrin:

I think I was above average. Not one of the best, but a very good one nonetheless.

The big thing about this episode was the rewatchability. We went back to watch it again for a friend who came in late to the viewing tonight. There are definitely plenty of things to notice when you watch it over again. Such as Sayid loading the gun.

Brilliant episode. I loved every minute of it. . . Damn, this is the show that I love and am damn proud of it!

guys i think lost is truley going back to form. It was such a great episode. I loved how they brought back daniells maps, a thing i had been worrying about since that and alot of other things were absent from the second season. The action was great, and the ending had my heart in my throught the whole time. Keep it up guys!!!

I thought this episode was quite good. If this is a preview of what the season will be like, I think we will all be very very pleased.

The writing on this show is unbelievable...

Lost is proof that a higher power loves us.

That's all I have to say.

Overall I thought it was a good episode. Especially all the commercials; I'm going to buy all those products tommorow (just kidding). There was a lot of interesting dynamics going on between sawyer and his captors. And of course the red sox thing (though still just like the food drops, this and the info files could be info the others get dropped to them). The part that made no sense to me was how Sayid, a master strategist and someone who can read situations perfectly, somehow formulated a plan to leave the sailboat on the dock unattended, while him and Jin just stared out into the jungle. Smart! That really seemed way out of character for him. . .if the boat was to be stolen, why not have Jin do something to foil/sabatoge the plan, since he was against it? That would have made a lot more sense, rather than Sayid having a horrible plan! But other than that, still a good episode. . .I look forward to seeing what happens to Sawyer for his plotting they monitored and obviously what is in store for Jack. But mostly I want to see Locke in next week's episode because that guy is a badass. . .and apparently not dead!
100%
I'm revising my thinking slightly because I just realized how insistent sayid was that there was a gun on board. Why would he be so persistent on telling Sun where the gun was unless he had a strong feeling she'd need it? Could his seemingly dumb plan somehow planned for this to happen? I can't possibly explain how, but that is the only explanation I can think of. . .that for some reason Sayid wanted to let this happen.

I voted nothing special because I knew Sun had had an affair with that teacher. Her secens with him, the eye contact beteween the two was revealing when they were seen togeether in previous Sun flashback. I find it funny that some people were surprised by the affair. Also, Jin couldn't have babies so Sun must be pregnant by another man, probably her teacher. I thought the episode was rather boring.

Nothing new... Ben "proving" they have contact with the outside world... that was obvious to me all along, how on earth would they have all the modern facilities, and all the information they have on the survivors if they didn't have s strong line of communication with the world outside the Island? So no surprise there for me.

Matthew Fox and the actor that plays Ben were great in their scenes... as always.

Kate and Sawyer's scenes... nothing added there either... she was hard on working, he was inconsequent, stopping to look at her, approaching her, trying to talk to her. It seems he hasn't YET understood the gravity of their situation. Then he gets the hots for her (can't blame the guy, she is gorgeous) and steals yet another kiss. By now I'm wondering if this poor man can get any woman to voluntarily kiss him... he should, after all he is good looking... and what was that about throwing the water on the ground? Took dear old Sawyer a while to notice that Kate needed a drink poor girl.... Then trying to fight all those armed men all by himself ? Not exactly the smartest move. Try to NOT irritate your captors Sawyer... Oh well... couldn't expect much from him.

I must confess that the more characters Lost adds and the less we see of our regular survivors, the LESS I like the show... and next episode there are two new ones coming (Nicky and Paulo).

They SHOULD have stuck with the original 14 and left all the others in the background. I had the impression that there would be hundreds of interesting stories to tell about the interaction among the original 14 characters, not to mention the people they would interact with in their flashbacks. Why did they have to keep coming up with new ones ?

Sadly I don't enjoy Lost as I did in season 1.
And the reason is this excess of new characters.
Won't rush to buy the DVDs anymore. I'll leave it at the Season 1 Box set.

It was so slow that it was boring. The Sun/Jin back story was boring.

What happened to Eko, Locke, and Desmond? Where is Walt and Michael? Did Hurley make it back? How is Charlie and Claire?

Why do we want two weeks of this crap when there are so many unaswered questions? Why do we want to be introduced to new characters when we haven't even seen our familiar/favorite characters?

Bla... I love the show but think it is in its final season.

I can't vote, but we need a new category for this episode: "The Adrift Award", i.e.--biggest waste of time of the season.

The only reason Kate was splitting rocks was so that Sawyer can stare at her *** and be gross, the only reason Alex was even there was to inject even more soap into an already saturated vat of nauseating schmaltz (cause another insipid love story is so the thing this show needs), the only reason Sun did have an affair with Jae (oooh, teh shocker!) was so that we'd get more dramarama, the only reason Sayid was being an utter moron... wait. I can't really think of any reason for that.

Too bad for the Red Sox scene. The cinematography and acting were great. Too little too late, I'm afraid.

I had to vote nothing special...my main problem is: What has gotten into Kate?
We know from her previous flashbacks that she can open up a serious can of whoop-a**,
when she wants to, but she seems to have given up in this episode! Is she drugged?
She could have taken Juliet & her gun without even trying, but she seems to have lost her will to escape.
And personally - I dont believe for one minute, that Jack will sell out his fellow survivors just to get home to the game! If we know one thing about him - it's that he is a man of ethics...even to the point of ratting out his own father.
I was also disapointed that Sayid's plan didn't play out! He should have at least killed one of the others! I was so sure that he was gonna get to torture someone & get some answers...or that he or Sun was gonna be killed...but it just fell flat in the end! I hope next weeks is better.

Brilliant writing in this episode. Easily one of the best ever written for the series.

All the fun Other-revelations aside, the Sun/Jin FB was written with such economy and elegance, it took my breath away.

Mr. Paik sends Jin to kill Jae for sleeping with Sun, but Jin doesn't know that. He thinks he's being sent to kill Jae for "stealing." But when Jae sees Jin, he thinks Jin is there to kill him for sleeping with Sun. Of course, Jin can't bring himself to kill Jae merely for "stealing." I wonder if he would have been able to do it had he known the REAL reason Mr. Paik sent him? In the end, Jae, assuming that he had shamed and disgraced Sun forever, took his own life. Gah! Now Sun must carry the guilt of her lover's death forever, without any hope for absolution. Totally freaking amazing.

I voted 'not bad.' Honestly I was a little bored until the end when Ben talks to Jack. That was some really good back and forth between the two. The reveal that he's lived there his whole life surprised me, and I think it has bigger implications than we might realize. Sayid had some good parts, too (dialogue, I mean. His plan was inept). I've just never been a big fan of the flashbacks in general. They give us insight into the characters' motives, but surely there is a more interesting way of going about that.

One of my favourite episodes of Lost, so definitely one of the best.

Sad to see so many people didn't enjoy it, I was entertained the whole way through.

It's funny, this episode is getting some high praise over at TWOP and panned by the Fusies. Go figure.

I loved it. Outstanding!

It was definitely one of their best. I loved this episode more so than last weeks.

Oh and I almost forgot to mention Sun shooting that woman on the boat! Go Sun! That woman was so sure that Sun wouldn't do it. But we knew how much of a bad girl Sun could be by her flashbacks.

It was really good.

I really loved it. Jack was annoying me last week but this week it was ok and we finally get some action.

Other than getting some great eye candy in Sawyer's scenes I think all theis epi showed is that Said is hard headed and that Sun has been a lair for a very long time. I think she was fully aware what Jin meant when he said he had to deliver the message and still she kept quiet. I think she knew darn well what her father would do and to save her own butt she kept quiet. Also Jae would have known how Sun's father would react you would think.......he was raised there with a rich traditional father.

Was it me or where there too many commercials?
I liked the epi but I really thought it was a "filler" type episode - giving us just a little bit of info and more fluff to move us somewhere else -
although I must say they have done this to us before and suddenly I realized it was a good episode because of what came next - only time will tell!
still LOVE LOST!

Without question, the best Sun/Jin-centric episode so far.

I agree. I really liked this episode - even more than last week. I believe it was a combination of the writing and the acting. Both went to a higher level to me and once again, left me wanting more. That's the one thing I can say about the show, I always want more!

Outstanding! Brilliant script, beautifully layered performances by all, new info, action, romance. A+

Love the nuances and complexities shown in the Kwons' relationship. Sawyer and Kate just get better and better. I'm loving those two together and really hope they're on their way to becoming the first couple whose relathionship was formed on the island.

Thanks for a brilliant hour.... Must go read some more about how much people loved it! :biggrin:

I thought last night's episode was great. It had some of the best Jin/Sun flashbacks. I loved all the character interactions and all the different emotions it entailed. There was humor, shock, suspense, action, sympathy, anger, sadness, tension, romance, and of course mystery. All the great stuff we expect from LOST. :biggrin:

8 out of 10. Shocking episode.

I totally agree. Jae's death was shocking, and the irony surrounding who will run away and who won't.... If Sun knew WHO caused the suicide...






Plus.... that Skate kiss! :eek2:
Who said it was suicide? I say he was pushed. The fact that the pearls were in his had was a suggestion by the writters that we are suppose to figure that Sun pushed him out the window. That coupled with Sun Shooting that woman on the boat is supppose to make us wonder just what kind of person Sun is.

definatly one of the best epi's ever Suns lying and cheating totaly took me by surprised more so her shooting Colleen
looks like Jack will have some work to do

I found it great when Jin said about knowing more english then Sun thinks he knows i wonder if he really believes the baby is a miracle with the information from the epi it seems less likely.

and the guys "suicide", surprised to see Sun's father seems to respect Jin

Loved the end with Ben talk about a shooker i wonder if Jack will agree to there demans i think that fixing Colleen wont be the only thing they will want him to do

Cant wait to see Locke next week

i cant believe Jin knows how to use a gun that was a surprise

I absolutely LOVE the fact that Sun's taking over as the hard core chick on the show. Kate's becoming so soft!! When she pulled that trigger I was SO filled with pride!!

This episode, I thought, was pretty good. I enjoyed this one, much more than I enjoyed the premeire. Definately one of their best. Looking forward to finally getting to see

Desmond again next week. As was shown in the previews

If you saw the episode, you can click on it. . . .. Just for people that haven't watched it.

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I voted for not bad, but nothing special, or whatever it was. It was a great episode until Ben brought in the tv. That was the jump the shark moment. Actually, that was the worst moment on the show period. But, I'm still watching.

I also do not like when they bring in real life things into shows, because it sort of take away from things. But in this instance, I thought it worked, they didn't show to much, and it was mainly audio and Jack's reaction on the fact that the real world is still out there.
Very nicely done, because as I said, I kind of dislike it when they bring in things like that. And it played in with Jack's character because of his "Red Sox" line. For me, I thought it worked out nicely.

The one part that put it over the top was the ending. As a Boston girl...that was amazing! Woohoo!!

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It's funny, this episode is getting some high praise over at TWOP and panned by the Fusies. Go figure.

I loved it. Outstanding!

I've noticed that happens a lot.

This was probably the best Jin/Sun epie as far as I'm concerned. I usually find their backstories boring. This time we had violence, a secret affair and a suicide. That did liven things up a bit! :D

Unlike some I was not taken in by Sun's sweet and innocent demeanor. We saw glimpses of that with the poison plot. In some ways I think Sun might be more dangerous than Kate because her strength is not being 'in your face' with her intentions. She hides them.

I did not like Sayid's behavior on the beach. Guard the boat! Although on further reflection I don't know if the boat was good for much if all they can do is sail in circles.

The only reason I can think of for Kate's behavior is that she is up to something. That is not based on any spoiler...just supposition.

Am bored with Sawyer and Kate. I'm not a Jater btw..just someone who doesn't find them sexy or anything but annoying. The dialogue between them made me cringe! The kiss will be fast forwarded through on the DVD.

I thought it was a pretty good episode. I liked the flashbacks, but wish we could have seen a little more of what was happening with Jack/Kate/Sawyer and Sayid and co.

I was left wanting more......nothing really special was said, done or revealed.
I'm dissapointed.

Namaste, Eric.

I'm with you on that one, Eric. It was one of those move-the-plot-along episodes, but nothing Earth-shattering. After last week I wasn't at all surprised to hear Ben say he'd been on the island his whole life. But since I don't believe anything that characters says, it isn't the shock it might have been.

For me, that's the one thing about Ben's character that fails. When talking with the Losties, his credibility comes into doubt too much to give shock value to the things he tells them. That makes it hard, for me anyway, to consider the character useful in the plot-and character-development sense. I mean, yes, it's an important character in that he is in charge of whatever project is going on across the island. Yet in terms of his value as a credible source of information, my inclination is to take what he says with a grain of salt.

That, and he is clearly intentionally manipulative. So not much shock value to whatever revalations he might dispense to us via his conversations with the Losties.


What shocked me was Sun shooting anybody! It almost seemed like a reflex action to the start-up of the boat motor. She joins the growing list of Losties Who Have Shot Someone. What didn't shock me was that Sun's baby isn't Jin. I mean, seriously, were there many of us last season who believed it was Jin's in the first place, after the flashbacks of Sun in the hotel with Jae Lee? Loved the creepy voyeurism of Ben at the tv screens watching Sawyer and Kate.


Anyway, it was okay.

The one part that put it over the top was the ending. As a Boston girl...that was amazing! Woohoo!!

Best part of the entire episode! Normally I dislike Jin/Sun stories, they just don't interest me. But when Jae landed on Jin's car, that rocked. I'm so convinced that he was pushed. I'm not sure it was Sun, but it could very well have been. I mean, if he really wanted to die, why didn't he just let Jin shoot him? He was pretty scared when Jin was pounding on him.

Definitely one of the best episodes.

Am bored with Sawyer and Kate. I'm not a Jater btw..just someone who doesn't find them sexy or anything but annoying. The dialogue between them made me cringe! The kiss will be fast forwarded through on the DVD.

I agree. It would have made the chemistry between them more interesting if she'd brandished her pickaxe when he said he enjoyed looking at her ***.

Had to vote not bad...wish there was a between not bad and above average for this eppy.

I liked it alot it just wasn't above average imo.

I was so happy that Sun shot that woman! But disappointed that she didn't keep shooting. I would have made sure she was dead and I would have been ready for the next person to show in the hatchway and shot him dead too. She should have kept shooting Others until there were none of them left alive on the boat!

Benry is the creepiest thing on TV...he freaks me out! And Juliet...I wouldn't trust her for one nano-second.

Loved Sawyer kissing kate! And that he did it to scope out the hand to hand combat abilities of the Others. Nice touch I thought.

Really looking forward to next week. :]

I agree. It would have made the chemistry between them more interesting if she'd brandished her pickaxe when he said he enjoyed looking at her ***.

Now that I would like! :D

I voted one of the best. I absolutely loved the action scenes involving Sayid, Sun, and Jin, and I hope we get to see a lot more of that kind of thing.
I'm so glad that Sun shot Colleen, wow what a scene. Colleen was mean and crazy, she scares me. The ending was shocking. I loved it.

it was good. I liked it. Ben's scars on his lips and nose are healing too quickly.

Why can't I vote?

This episode was 10 times better than last weeks episode. Sun, Jin and Sayid really blew the episode away. The best Sun/Jin flashback yet, I thought i had it figured out but the outcome was totally different.

I was on the edge of my seat during the takeover of the boat scene, i thought Sun was screwed when Colleen showed up. Stupid Vincent she underestimated Sun. Well done to Sun, show's who's boss! The Other's act all tough but when it comes down to it only Juliet has the balls.

Jin picking up on the english, he'll soon be fluent. Can't wait for next week!

Who said it was suicide? I say he was pushed. The fact that the pearls were in his had was a suggestion by the writters that we are suppose to figure that Sun pushed him out the window. That coupled with Sun Shooting that woman on the boat is supppose to make us wonder just what kind of person Sun is.

This is exactly what I thought! When he fell on Jin's car I thought "Sun waited until he left and then went in and pushed him."

I really liked this epi and can't wait for next week!

Very good, aldo, more 'expected' stuff happened than in the premier.

I liked the Sun flashbacks, and was quit shocked to see that Sun DID actually cheat on Jin. Weird to see her darker side. But not a bad weird.

The Sayid/Jin/Sun present parts were okay, but kind of predictable.
I didn't expect that Sun would actually shoot Colleen though! Good twist!

I love the Juliet/Jack/Ben story - aldo, I don't want it to become ANOTHER triangle! -

I just want to see what happened in Juliet and Ben's past. It seems like they might have been a couple befor.

I'd also like to see the Jack/Juliet romance be developed! I love them together, really!

The Sawyer/Kate scene's where amazing.
I loved Sawyer's 'I got a question boss', 'shot? we don't even get a warning?' and 'how dare you'. Best character ever!

The kiss - wow - I totally loved it. Best chemistry ever. It wasn't just HOT, like the first kiss was, but it had feeling and emotion.

Amazing.

Above average. Both last week and this week's stories had great flashbacks. Jack and Sun both have dark sides to them. This week's island story was better although Sayid and Jin should've know to watch the boat more. We learned alot more. Colleen was cute.

If I could vote already, I'd take "Definitely one of their best." Up in the top 5 for me.

Above average, they can still do better though... like next week is really promising! :3:

The others ( Ben ) don't stop to amaze me. Those screens! He lived on the island all his life??? Juliet was his woman??? :eek: And that grin he wore when came to Jack totally freaked me out.

It is interesting what they do with the turning around of the characters. They seem to change places somehow... In the beginning Jin was the bully, Sun was his victim; he came off as this violent and intolerant man while Sun was the mild, smart, gentle woman. Now they are turning Sun into a liar, a cheat and a murderer??? While Jin is the only wise one of their party, the one who is not capable of murder, and who loves his wife in spite of her lies... I must say wow!

I am suspecting something similar with Jack and Sawyer, in spite of his being a red-neck as ever. Jack may betray his companions, while Sawyer turns all mushy with Kate around...

I loved it. Sun shooting Colleen totally surprised me. And of course I couldn't be happier about all the Sawyer/Kate bits. :D


My thoughts exactly. Go Sun go! But with Jin not Jae-Lee!

This was an amazing episode! I was on the edge of my seat right through because I thought Sun was going to get killed. I wasn't too happy when I saw that Sun had cheated on Jin, but the rest of the flashback was great. Not sure what relevance the Ballerina had overall, but little Sun was soo cute!
The Sawyer/Kate stuff was really good, I thought for a minute that they were really going to escape! And the Strawberries/fish biscuits dialogue was very cool. Of course, we also got to see more of Alex, while revealing more about one of my favourite new mysteries - Karl. Now we know a little more about who he is, but when will we find out the rest?
The Ben/Juliet scene was pretty interesting. I'm really intrigued to find out exactly what the story is between them. But when I got a glimpse of the TV monitors in that observation room, I thought we were going to find out something far more important, like how the Others know so much. Wishful thinking I guess.
And of course, that final scene with Jack! I had a feeling this sort of plot might be explored, and I think it's just the kind of revitalisation his story needs. Plus, it'll mean the Losties finally start to realise that THE OTHERS ARE THE GOOD GUYS!!!

If TPTB can keep this standard up for much longer then we're in for a real treat.

P.S. I didn't know that the Redsox had actually won the series. That's pretty cool. I don't mind the writers bringing real-world events in if it's stuff like that.

I'll give it a "above average" with a few quibbles.

Some thoughts off the top of my head...

Sun: One cool as a cucumber little liar, isn't she. And at an early age too! Plus, a little hussy to boot! Did she kill Jae? Don't think so. Did Jin? Don't think so. Did Daddy's henchmen who seem to follow Jin around do it? Maybe. Did Jae kill himself from shame? I think so.

Sayid: So he was just gonna take on a whole bunch of baddies, take 2 prisoners, and kill the rest all by his lonesome? I don't think Sayid is that much of a Uber!Soldier. And is anyone else tired of characters being dumbed down to serve the plot? This time it's Sayid. So they take to the bushes thinking the Udders will approach from the jungle and walk smack dab into Sayid's little trap? But no! They go for the boat instead! Doh! Stupid Sayid. The trained soldier. Made dumb just so we could see the Udders easily board the boat, set it up for Sun to be alone and shoot one of them, and then have a dramatic scene where she falls into the water. Urrrrrrrrrgh, I'm sick of this!

Sawyer and Kate: I'm all for a little liplock between these two. That kiss was smoldering, and they have chemistry rivaling no one else on tv today. No one can touch their way with banter. Just please, ease up on the cheese factor(i.e. "strawberries"!!!????).
It was gratifying to see Sawyer as more than a pretty face and was scoping out the opposition for future escape plans. I like smart Sawyer. Too bad it probably won't last more than one episode, knowing this show.
It was also nice to see Sawyer kick some *** for a change and show off some of his fighting skills. And for those who think Sawyer suddenly gained fighting prowess out of the blue? He used kick boxing on Jin way back in "In Translation," so Sawyer knows *something about fighting.

Urgh Moment: Kate already knew Sawyer's name was James. She was standing right next to Locke when he called Sawyer James when they all ganged up on him to get the guns back in "2 for the Road." Grrrrrrrrrrr.

A little Benry goes a long way. I'm now over him. He's just waaaay too creepy to get into his character anymore. That's all there seems to be to him right now. The creep factor.

And one more thing! Please send Sawyer to the salon. His hair is going to need its own credit at the end of the show if it keeps upstaging him. I coudn't see a damn thing of Sawyer's face during the smooch and the fight!

As I've said before, I prefer certain characters over others. This is especially true if episodes devoted to the characters are somewhat redundant. This would be one of those episodes, and so I was less than enthusiastic once it was clear which characters would be the focus. (And notice how hard it is not to spoil anything and still make sense!) Thankfully, I was able to find other subplots a little more interesting. And the end was more than worth it!

Here's my review for Lost 3.2: "The Glass Ballerina":

http://www.entil2001.com/series/lost/season3/lost3-2.html

Overall, this episode was not quite as focused as the season premiere, and the main plot thread lacked a solid punch. Thankfully, there was enough focus on the plot elements introduced in the premiere to keep the season arc moving forward, with new information and complication stirring up the mix. The ending of this episode in particular will fuel a great deal of speculation.

I thought it was the most revealing show ever. I still can't believe they let out that much info at once. I was very greatfull, in a LOST version of OCD kinda way.

As I've said before, I prefer certain characters over others. This is especially true if episodes devoted to the characters are somewhat redundant. This would be one of those episodes, and so I was less than enthusiastic once it was clear which characters would be the focus. (And notice how hard it is not to spoil anything and still make sense!) Thankfully, I was able to find other subplots a little more interesting. And the end was more than worth it!

Here's my review for Lost 3.2: "The Glass Ballerina":

http://www.entil2001.com/series/lost/season3/lost3-2.html

Overall, this episode was not quite as focused as the season premiere, and the main plot thread lacked a solid punch. Thankfully, there was enough focus on the plot elements introduced in the premiere to keep the season arc moving forward, with new information and complication stirring up the mix. The ending of this episode in particular will fuel a great deal of speculation.


Thanks for the link. I always find your reviews interesting and thought provoking, though I confess I'm sometimes in disagreement with you. Our view of this episode differs significantly. I think Glass Ballerina is a very important episode, setting up some of the dominant themes of the season and establishing the arc of three of the show's most important characters.

As interesting as Jin and Sun may be to some, it’s not easy to see how they intersect with the season arc at this stage of the game. The potential was there for another letdown like “Adrift”, the calamitous second episode of the second season. Thankfully, the writers had a better grasp of how to keep the arc moving forward while covering the character work.

In my view, the 'A' story with the Kwons and Sayid accomplished exactly what it needed to do.

1. It demonstrated the impossibility of a rescue by these three characters and gave them an honorable exit and permission to return to the beach.

2. It removed the sailboat from the equation, which I think was the writers' principal reason for sending them on this mission in the first place. They needed the boat to bring Desmond back into the story, then they needed it gone to avoid story complications. Mission accomplished.

3. Most importantly, it set up some of what I expect to be the season's most significant themes. Secrets and lies. large and small, wove their way through both the flashbacks and the island stories. Sun's betrayal with Jae. Jin's true role in her father's organization. Sun studying English in secret so she could leave him. Jin planning an escape to America for them without her input or consent. Though these two love each other deeply, they continue to lie to each other even now. Sun collaborates with Sayid, and Jin has neglected to tell her he understands a lot more English than she knows.

Every single character in the Glass Ballerina - without exception - is connected to a secret or a lie in within the episode. And that's not even counting the lies they tell themselves.

That brings us to Sawyer and Kate, two people who started with nothing but secrets and lies. After Kate's early discovery of his family tragedy, she adopted the practice of ignoring the shell of cynicism and alienation he's built for himself. There's a human being inside there and she has persisted in trying to find him, despite getting bruised a time or two in the process.

Kate, OTOH, has walled herself inside her own kind of solitude. Sawyer offered his knightly protection back in WTCMB, and she declined. Don't call her a damsel, or tell her she needs you, she'll only have to prove you wrong. Instead, he's learned to ignore the discussion and just act when it's needed. Hence the hug after Libby's death. In GB, he shows a similar decisiveness when Kate is dropping with exhaustion and needs a break. He'll take a beating if he must to get her one, but he gives her a kiss first because he is so filled with tenderness toward her at that moment that he just couldn't resist a minute longer. Amusing that he hid that admission behind a joke that made it seem like a lie when everyone else in the episode is passing off lies for truth. Sawyer's heart is committed, but he's not willing to reveal that yet. Kate, for her part, is learning to know him better in their quiet little corner of the zoo, and she is liking what she sees. Now she knows his name, and yet another secret has fallen away. As a couple, Sawyer and Kate are moving against the current of a central theme, and that's a very interesting place for them to be in the story.

That brings us to Jack because every story needs a hero. Jack begins this episode alone, beaten down by an awareness of his own shortcomings, and without purpose or motivation. Enter Ben, with a mysterious agenda and an enticing offer. Jack is dismissive, having no faith in Ben's ability to deliver on a promise to send him home. Proof is offered, a date-stamped broadcast of a world series game, something even Ben knows is iconic.

What he doesn't know is the personal significance of this most unlikely win to Jack. We watch as Jack first takes in the facts, and then we see him come to the realization of two important and incontrovertible truths. The Others do have contact with the outside world, which could lead to a means of escape for all the stranded crash survivors; and if the Sox can win the series, then sometimes hope and persistence can pay off in miracles. That shot is framed brilliantly, with the light from the t.v. screen playing off Jack's features, almost giving him the look of a man having a religious vision. The vision ends with Ben's flick of a button, but the look of determination on Jack's face tells us he has embraced it. The hero will now consecrate himself to finding the means to save them all from exile, a purpose much larger than the concerns of any one man or woman.

If the Others were to manipulate Kate into some kind of deeper relationship with Sawyer, isolating them from Jack for that very purpose, then revealing that relationship to Jack under the right conditions could push him over the edge.

I have to disagree with this conclusion. Jack is already fully committed to his mission. If the Others try to use Kate and/or Sawyer to manipulate him, his only objective will be to exploit their strategy in whatever way might best cement his credibility and help him to infiltrate the Others more quickly and fully. Juliet is the wildcard. What Jack didn't see, and won't see (I suspect) is what Sawyer was able to see. The blood in her veins runs ice cold. Will Jack be taken in by the more appealing portrait she presents when she's with him?

However long it takes until the romantic triangle formed by Jack, Kate and Sawyer is seen to be resolved by the general audience, the course was set for it in the Glass Ballerina because by the end of this episode, Sawyer and Kate have found each other and Jack has found his grail quest.

I don't have a well-thought out rating scale in the way that you do, but I think this is top-caliber story telling. I'd give it an A+ without hesitation because, for me, this is as good as television ever gets.

All JMO, of course.

Ah, I thought it was okay.

I thought it was one of the best.

First of, Jin/Sun backstory was never this good. It was great to see a darker side of Sun(Just like we saw a darker Jack in the premiere). Everyone thought 'Well, Sun FB's are boring, she never does anything'.

Overally the episode was missing a solid punch.

Although Jae Lee's death was unexcepted, I still missed something. Ah, wait, got it.: Mystery. Because now that the others are not hiding, not whispering anymore, they are nowhere near as scary or creepy as they were. Okay, there's one solid exception, Ben, but...[I believe E3 will have what the first 2 episodes didn't have: mystery!]

What I think made this episode good is the unusual action scenes. Lost is not an action packed TV show, it's really slow paced, so seeing some real action was a great change.

I loved how Sun shot Colleen. It was a big plot twist, I guess. Maybe it'll be Jack's job to try to fix her? Plus it showed that Sun can be 'different', not only in flashbacks, but on the island too. I seriously didn't think she would pull the trigger...

Sayid's plan was, interesting. Many people say it was out of character because Sayid never would do stupid things like that. I don't think so; Sayid is desperate for a revenge. Not only for Shannon, but for Ben escaping from the hatch; maybe he feels guilt for not cracking him when he had the choice. And one more thing: he may know that Michael lied about the others, but, he still doesn't know what are they up to. He probably didn't knew they would be armed with guns.

The only complaint I have here is that how the hell did the others manage to get on the boat? Hopefully it wasn't just a plot device, and it'll be explained.. somehow.

Now, the kiss... i'm not a shipper, but I found it extremely cool. The way it happened. Out of nowhere. And then the brilliant fight scene.
One thing I feel I have to mention here is that, again, many people say Kate is out of character. But I dont think so. Maybe at the breakfast, Ben offered her something like he offered to Jack. Thats why Kate doesn't bother with escape attempts, thats why she didnt try to put Juliet down.

The best part of the episode was the ending. We were introduced to the outside world at the end of season 2, and it's good to see the writers didn't forget about that. Some may say its frustrating, I say its brilliant. My jaw dropped when Ben mentioned Christopher Reeve's death(RIP) and George W. Bush's reelection...

And the videotape, well, that was brilliant. Also, it was a really nice way to make Jack believe; Him and his father always had this inside joke about Red Sox. Seems like it's not a joke anymore.

The very ending was interesting. Ben promised to take Jack home - but in return, Ben asked Jack to do what they want him to do when the time comes. Is Jack 'joining' the others? Possibly. But this ain't over yet. I love the direction the plot is taking - seems like we're gonna have a very good season with major twists.:hypocrit:

woot, I voted one of the best ever...I know there are some idiorts comparing Lost to that show Heroes(which is actually a good show) but yeah xmen part four? Tis a good show for those who do not want to think! but it ain't LOST!

another corker, absolutely. great flashbacks, great action, its good that they havent gone back to the main losties and are keeping the plot tight and focussed. im not gonna write a huge essay on why i thought it was a brilliant episode cos im hungry and i want my lunch, but i voted one of their best again. :thumbup:

I thought it was just OK. Nothing special - but not horrible either. I think that this episode, coupled with the one the week before, seems to show the show's slow pace. I think I miss the dynamics of the wider cast being involved in each episode.

It actually put me to sleep, thankfully I recorded it so I could finish it later.

It moved a bit slowly in the beginning and Jin's wanting to leave suddenly seemed out of character, as did Sun's siding with Sayid but in the end it made more sense. I also loved the last moments with Jack and Ben. Really gives me something extra to look forward to in the next eppy. I rated it a Definitely one of their best.

We learned some pretty big things during this episode. Though it wasn't one of my all time favorites, Lost keeps you entertained and wanting more, could you ask for anything else?! Simply cannot wait until next week, Locke, Eko and Des are back YEAH!!

Below average. Been that way for along time now.

I often wonder why people focus on topless Sawyer, Skate (man I hate that) and what people look and kiss like in general instead of the story. Its pretty sad actually. Thats why the writers are getting away with the below average story telling they are doing.

Until lameness like that is not tollerated, Lost will get even worse. More romance was promised this year.....for who?

Yes one can say why do I still watch. Well its like a train wreck I suppose. I always hold out hope that it will get better.

All the guys in here raise your hands on who wants less action and mystery, and more romance.

Below average by LOST standards, to me. I'm becoming more and more disappointed with the show. Next week's episode looks like it may be good, though.

For sure the last the episodes were really different, but by next episode, the mystery and adventure factor should be back.

it was good. I liked it. Ben's scars on his lips and nose are healing too quickly.

Seriously; what's up with that? I have a couple scars on my face from a dog bite and it's been 4 months and they STILL are extremely noticeable. And his injuries were WAY worse than mine are. So the only explanation is that the show has no sense of how people heal or that the others are engaged in some kind of genetic engineering as they clearly have superhuman strength and ability (why not the ability to heal extremely fast as well). Hopefully Ben will rip off his Ben face and really be Wolverine; now that would be a twist :)

Brilliant episode one of their best, marginally better than last weeks imo. Flashback superb I didn't see the whole Jin go and deliver a message to your wifes lover coming, that was cool, Sun however not so cool (except in shooting that other).
I think we could have done with more Jack scenes though, to much Kate/Sawyer imo, loved the scene with Alex mind.
The red sox thing was a nice touch too.


I'm guessing Jin is definitly not the Father of Suns baby, poor Jin he doesn't deserve it!

:) I thought it was a good one

What's TWOP? Is that another Lost forum? It's hard to believe that the folks there could be any more enthusiastic about this episode than it appears people are here (which I still don't get). I never thought I'd think this, but I'm considering not watching Lost any longer if things don't get better (to me, IMO, etc.) soon.

I liked this episode a lot. I agree with Sheba - definitely the best Sun/Jin flashback so far.

Totally loved the Sawyer/Kate interaction - the kiss was hot.

Ben is such a great character - naughty but nice. ;)

What's TWOP? Is that another Lost forum?
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awww i loved the the kate/sawyer kiss that was so cute the scenes with sun and jin were also good but jack really wasn't in this one too much....:frown: still pretty good though :)

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Thanks LIL :)

i really enjoyed the twist on the sun/jin epi, one of my favs of theirs...sun may have a few skeletons in her closet left to come out...i'm so excited for next weeks epi
skybluelost:-))

In my opinion the Sun/Jin episodes are the best. This one was no exception!

I think the episode as a standalone episode was pretty good. Action packed, nice surprises about Sun, hot kiss.... BUT, nothing truly important was revealed.

As I have said before, I don't mind waiting for answers and the theorizing is fun, but at some point SOON they have to start giving us more meat. The two most important questions still outstanding from Season 1 are:

1.- What is the island?
2.- Who are the Others?

These have not been answered AT ALL, and we're entering our third year... Three years is way too long to wait for those answers, and I fear people will get turned off (I know I'd lose some of my obssessiveness) if these two questions are not addressed soon. Everything else they give us is interesting but immaterial to those two very important questions.

If they think people are going to wait 4 or 5 years for those answers, they lost their minds (pun intended). Ratings will continue to drop, and I really wouldn't like that.

PS: 2 years = 24 months = 730 days = 17,520 hours = 1,051,200 minutes = 63,072,000 seconds.......................way too long!

Well, any depiction of the unfortunate events of October 2004 has got to get a "Totally Sub-Par". Sorry. OK, I'm kidding, and I made my feelings about that known in another thread, so I actually voted "Above Average by Lost Standards".

The flashbacks were OK. I find myself hoping for more variety in them, though, for example, Sun's and Jin's always seem to have the same theme. Sun is the innocent Mafia princess, Jin the reluctant enforcer. It kind of rings less true the more time we spend with the situation. Would Sun's father really give important assignments to Jin, knowing how reluctant he is to execute them? (No pun intended!) Surely, he's got scores of stomp-happy goons on his payroll. For that matter, would he give such dangerous assignments to his son-in-law? Would Sun really be that naive about where her lifestyle has come from all these years? How was she raised with such a good heart by such a bad person? And if her dad loves her enough to shelter her from his misdeeds, wouldn't he give her her husband with no strings? I dare the writers to have no mention of torture or interrogation in Sayid's next flashback, and no mention in Sawyer's of him being a 'con man'. Explore these characters!

Despite my visceral reaction to the last scene, it was very well written and acted. What Jack must be thinking watching the World Series from the Hydra station! There's home, close enough to reach out and touch. Smell the hot dogs, hear the crack of the bat. Personally, I would have saved a scene like this for closer to the end of the series. I enjoyed the feeling of isolation we had along with our heroes, not that I ever thought they were really in another dimension or anything. I always believed that someone on or near the island had contact with the outside world, but was hoping not to see that revealed for some time. I'm wondering how it's going to play out when, instead of thousands of miles from home, the castaways might be yards from an Internet-capable laptop or a satellite phone.

I liked Sayid in this episode. His matter-of-fact statement that he intended to kill all but two of the Others' scouting party reminded me that here's one guy who's had enough and wants payback. I agree with what many people say about the Others having had their way for a long time. I want to see our guys take them down a few pegs, too, and I trust that when it happens it will be worth waiting for.

It's funny, I want to stay with Jack, Kate, and Sawyer because they're the ones in position to find out the most (and us with them). But I'm really anxious to catch up with the other characters, too. Too much of "the triangle" in episode 3 might be the tipping point. Sawyer had a better episode than the previous week. Interesting how he and Jack react differently to captivity. Jack bangs and bangs on the door, and Sawyer bides his time, puts on a cheery act, and sizes up his opponents. He's a liar and a charmer, and those are the assets he has to depend on. Good characterization.

I liked it. Good, solid episode. Finally a Jin/Sun flashback on the order of Charlie and Jack: deepening of character by using information we already knew. No wonder I enjoyed it.

I am supremely tired of Jin and Sun flashbacks though. Enough already.

I liked it. Good, solid episode. Finally a Jin/Sun flashback on the order of Charlie and Jack: deepening of character by using information we already knew. No wonder I enjoyed it.

I am supremely tired of Jin and Sun flashbacks though. Enough already.

the first time you liked sun/jin's flashbacks, the next time you don't. i loved sun and jin and i think there's always time for everbody. the revelation that sun can tell lies and have dark secrets are revelations for me. the insinuation that perhaps she killed jae (a sacrifice that she must do to save her and jin) and the juxtaposition with her shooting collen (i know you sun hwa-kwon, you are not a killer...) is intriguing and perfect!

I enjoyed it very much!
Finding out Sun was a badass wasn't boring or...i don't think too many people expected it.
I would have liked to stay with our triangle. Watching Sawyer in a cage at night (he can't do anything stupid at least for about 8 hours ) it makes me feel relaxed.

But i kinda expected Sayid to be a better leader for his team - and tada...they lost the boat,and nearly Sun too. I wish him better luck with his great plans next time.

10/10 way better than episode 1. Sun/Jins backstory kicked Jacks by far.I'm really in love with this episode, Its really become one of my fav. So far this season, this is the only episode I've loved so much.

Sun kills Colleen, good on you Sun. Finally Sun gets interesting. I love her in this episode.

Best Sun/Jin flashback ever, best flashback episode so far this season. The rest were all boring.

:undecide: I didn't like it very much, just cause nothing seems to happen until the last minutes... and I miss the other characters!

Definitely one of their best.

I voted better than average. This is one of the episodes I like most in Season 3. I thought this episode and "A Tale of Two Cities" gave the season a great start.

This has really held up as being one of the best of Season 3 so far.

Most of the stuff was average, but loved the last scene with Ben and Jack, one of the best scenes ever.

It worked nicely.
Jack is beginning to really amuse me.

It worked nicely.
Jack is beginning to really amuse me.


Jack was the best thing about the worst episode (The Glass Ballerina). Of course, he's the best thing about all the episodes, imo!;)

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