What could Ben mean by this? What do we think Jack will have to do?

Well, so far they have the three they wanted - Jack, Kate and Sawyer. So the question might be why - what is he planning with them?. Or could they need something from Jack, like medical skills....

I'm interested that (if he's truthful) since a.) Ben never been off the island, and b) I thought he implied he didn't want to leave (when Jack asked, if you could leave the island why don't you? Ben answered, yes, why don't we? or something to that effect, I thought he had a good reason to stay) the island, whatever he wants from Jack, he wants enough to tell Jack that he will TAKE Jack home.

Unless the whole thing is a lie, one never knows on Lost.

I don't know what exactly they'll want Jack to do, though I've heard they do want his medical skills, and I don't know if that's a guess or an actual spoiler so I fonted it. I think that the way "I will take you home" was phrased indicated that Ben wanted to convince him that he really did know the way out--that if Jack was "good" and followed orders, that Ben would care enough about upholding his end of the bargain to actually physically take him home, so that if they got lost they'd both be lost. I mean, they're both on Lost, but right now Jack is the only one who doesn't know where he is. :angel: Really, I think that it was just another layer of trust that Ben was trying to instill, whether genuinely or for some ulterior motive, after the betrayal/lies of his hatch imprisonment.

Also, was he just talking about taking Jack home and noone else?

Thats why he needed the boat ... to bride jack?

I guess I never thought about the medical skills that Jack has that maybe they want/need. That's a good thought.

I think he means he will literally send Jack home. I believed him when he said he sent Michael and Walt home.

I have a feeling it has something to do with the people in the cages...there has to be a reason they seperated them...maybe they will turn Jack?

Using the Red Sox to get to him was amazing. The last three minutes were the best of the night.

My first reaction was that Jack would NEVER consider this. That he wouldn't just think of himself, but of James, Kate and the rest of the lostaways.

But they've got his head so messed up now, that I'm afraid that he IS gonna turn.

:sob:


(Oh, and no, I don't believe a word Ben's saying.)

I agree...I think Jack is way beyond the breaking point...look where they have him..In a dark, dank place with no comfort. He is a prisoner of war...and I think Ben is going to do everything he can to turn him over...should be a massive clash of wills...and I dare say some riveting TV.

My thing is, if Ben has lived on the island all his life, how could he get jack home ? Would he be the one doing it ( if he was actually telling the truth), or have some once else do it ? How would Ben know where to go if he's always been on the island ??? :undecide:

I think that Jack is going to be asked to use his medical skills to fix Colleen (the woman who was shot by Sun) . . . and I do believe that Ben has been off the island, just that he has LIVED there his entire life!

My two cents . . .

I think that Jack is going to be asked to use his medical skills to fix Colleen (the woman who was shot by Sun) . . . and I do believe that Ben has been off the island, just that he has LIVED there his entire life!

My two cents . . .

I agree. I mean I've lived my entire life in Canada, but I've been to other places on more occasions than none. Same applies to Ben.

Here is my theory: Ben is not "Him." But "He" is the reason why Ben and the rest of the Others can't leave the island. There's something that Ben needs Jack for at "his" bequest; if Jack can accomplish his task, "He" will let them free and both Ben and Jack will be able to leave.

I'm really worried about Jack....he doesn't look so good.

I guess I never thought about the medical skills that Jack has that maybe they want/need. That's a good thought.
Indeed, but I think if it were a matter of treating/healing someone, they wouldn't have to brive him or break him. As a doctor, Jack would feel bound to help even his enemies. I have a feeling that what they want him to do is medical in nature, but somewhere on the wrong side of ethical. Participate in Nazi-style human experiments, perhaps?

My first reaction was that Jack would NEVER consider this. That he wouldn't just think of himself, but of James, Kate and the rest of the lostaways.

But they've got his head so messed up now, that I'm afraid that he IS gonna turn.

Jack is selfless to a fault, he's the last person I could see turning.

I think he means he will literally send Jack home. I believed him when he said he sent Michael and Walt home.

I think he sent Michael and Walt to a nearby island. Isn't that what the Pala Ferry was for? I don't think he would risk news of the island getting out, OR let Michael, who is probably not one of the "Good" ones go. Obviously he's a killer, so get him outta there!

Sawyer: Sooner or later they're going to have their guard down... and when they do we're going to put them in their place...

Ben: ...If you do what I tell you when the time comes....

I think he might use Jack to stop them because Ben goes and asks for Jack's help right after he finishes watching Sawyer and Kate on the monitor.

I guess I never thought about the medical skills that Jack has that maybe they want/need. That's a good thought.

It would make sense especially if Ethan was the only other MD the others had, or specialized MD they need, and well... we know what happened to Ethan, no?
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I think he might use Jack to stop them because Ben goes and asks for Jack's help right after he finishes watching Sawyer and Kate on the monitor.

That'd be a bit of a waste for releasing Jack, no? Considering Ben now knows what Sawyer may plan. So, put some handcuffs on Sawyer, and keep the favour they'll be asking from Jack for something else.

My first reaction was that Jack would NEVER consider this. That he wouldn't just think of himself, but of James, Kate and the rest of the lostaways.


Agreed. But what about if (when?) Ben shows him Kate and Sawyer hooking up. That'll make him wanna get away.

Something that struck me as odd about the conversation Jack had with Ben is, he already knew the others had contact with the outside world. Juliet told him that Sara was happy. She showed him the file. They are not going to know that unless they have contact with the outside world, yeah?

Jack is conning Ben now, the same way Ben conned Jack, or tried to. Ben's comment about thier situation was more true than he thought.

But honestly, how patronizing was his "introduction". I mean he said "Hi" in such a tone that I'd of been tempted to grab him by the throat and try to kill him right there. This guy is demented.

Something that struck me as odd about the conversation Jack had with Ben is, he already knew the others had contact with the outside world. Juliet told him that Sara was happy. She showed him the file. They are not going to know that unless they have contact with the outside world, yeah?.

Nice thought, and I still do think Jack is playing his own game with the others. That said, an explanation to why Jack didn't believe Ben would simply be that he's pretty well broken. I don't think Jack has eaten the sandwich or soup nor slept....

I dont think they need jack for his medical skills. In clairs flashback, in the staff, they had an entire team of surgeons wating to take her baby.

I dont think they need jack for his medical skills. In clairs flashback, in the staff, they had an entire team of surgeons wating to take her baby.

Were they or any at all surgeons? Maybe some nurses, anesthesiologist, Ph.Ds and there's your 'entire team'.

I'm with BadgerKyle on this one--Ben wants Jack to repair Colleen's spine (based on a guess that Sun's bullet went into Colleens' spine). The only question I have about this is that Jack was abducted before Colleen was shot, so what purpose was he abducted for in the first place?

Jack is selfless to a fault, he's the last person I could see turning.
Which is EXACTLY why Damon & Cuse would say, "Hey! Yeah! What a SHOCKEROO if we had Jack turn!"

THAT'S what I'm afraid of. . . .:eek: :sob:

an explanation to why Jack didn't believe Ben would simply be that he's pretty well broken.

He was plenty lucid during both conversations, regardless of what Juliet was trying to make him believe. Had he been slurring his words or something, but he had clear eyes and got up and walked to the glass with no problem at all.

I think it boils down more to Jack just not trusting a damn word Ben says regardless of what Juliet said! :)

Hey! Yeah! What a SHOCKEROO if we had Jack turn!"

Very good point. Michael and Walt's enitre storyline seemed to be the first real "victim" of that ideal (for lack of a better word). Michael's character was so damaged by it, it certainly effected the way I "see" the show. I kinda stopped trusting the producers!

For the first time, I think the audience feels like the cast. We never know when our favorite character might turn on a dime, die, kill out of character, just for the sake of it being a shock. Whether it works or not!

Eggshells people EGGSHELLS!!:hide:

I dont think Jack's medical skills is why Ben needs him. Colleen was shot, sure...but im pretty certain they have the medical personell they need.

Sawyer's fight helped him ***** his opponents, and Ben later observing him and Kate, must have realized there would be no stopping Sawyer again. Unless, he has a bargaining chip or something to deflate any violent situation, hence he gives Jack the incentive to co-operate with them, and by doing so he is staying in control.

Jack's been having a rough month yet I still think he's got fight in him. I don't expect him to cooperate unless it's to bide his time until he can make another escape attempt.

I liked how Ben gave the exact date of the crash (cause for much speculation 2 yrs ago) and included the news of Bush, Reeves and the Red Sox (also cause for much bother 2 yrs ago). Would Ben really take Jack home, sitting next to him on an airplane or boat?

My thing is, if Ben has lived on the island all his life, how could he get jack home ? Would he be the one doing it ( if he was actually telling the truth), or have some once else do it ? How would Ben know where to go if he's always been on the island ??? :undecide: Just a guess, but it certainly seems like a military operation / installation as much as they try to "normal it up" with houses and pine trees. It could be Ben's choice, or his duty to stay there like a good soldier would. Not to say there's no exit, but he could be denied exit as part of his mission.

I think they need Jack's medical skills for help with the population on the island........this may belong elsewhere but I felt that all the same age group women seemed to appear related. If there is a fertility problem that would explain first the taking the children (couldn't have their own) and second the need for a doctor either for trying to fix the problem or finding out why the problem and how to prevent it.

When I first heard Ben say, "I will take you home!" all I could think of was Michael.In "3 Minutes" he was imprisoned, with no hope in the world -- he believed he was going to die. Then Ms. Klugh comes in and says that he and his son can leave if he cooperates. She showed him what he wanted most in the world (his son) and told him that he could have it if he got them J/K/S/H. Now Jack is imprisoned, alone, and has no hope of escape or rescue. Ben comes in and tells him that he can get home, and all he has to do is cooperate.

I think that Ben is doing to Jack what they did to Michael. Exactly what is is that he is doing, I have no idea. But I don't think it is as common place as needing a doctor. The Others seem to be studying human behavior in some form or fashion. I don't think they need Jack for anything other than learning about behavior, and if once they have learned all they can from him, I think that they will actually let him go. But what will they ask of him?

After last night, I now think The Others had no idea about Walt's powers when they abducted him -- hence Ms. Klugh's questions and Ben's "We got more than we bargained for when Walt joined us" comment. I think that when Ethan got rumbled, it threw off their normal experimentation techniques and they had to improvise. Walt was taken because Michael was the first one they wanted to experiment on/"break". Why else would they draw him out with the IM's? Also, this would help explain why they didn't take J/K/S in the "Hunting Party" Episode, and why Ben might have been captured on purpose -- it was all part of the "breaking" of Michael.

The promise to take Jack home was incentive to do what The Others wanted, probably something contrary to Jack's nature - and once the study is done I think they will send him home. But I don't think Jack would go through with it.

They have obviously been breaking jack down through isolation and other methods- to eventually get him to "do something" at a certain moment and if he "trusts" Ben and does it he can go home.

What is it he is going to have to do?
- Kill Sawyer and Kate?
- Perform some kind of "surgery", "brain surgery/labotomy" perhaps on losties to get them to become "others"?
- Lure the rest of the losties into a trap much like Michael did?

What say you?

I think the Others are trying to recruit the Losties to their side for some reason. Jack has emerged as the leader and if they get him on board with their thinking then they have a better chance at Jack talking other people into siding with the Others. Why didnt they just take Jack then, and brainwash him that way? Two reasons, one, if they convince Jack and he manages to convince Kate then she convinces Sawyer, well now there's three of them trying to recruit for the Others. Two, if Jack does not cooperate, I am thinking the Others will have no problem killing Sawyer and/or Kate, to scare the Losties into joining them. My guess is the Others think of Kate and Sawyer as the least likely to contribute to anything since they are both a bit selfish and act with no consequence (at least from what they, the Others, might have observed)

I in no way mean this to come off anti-Kate or Sawyer, I really like both of these characters and don't want anything of the sort to turn out this way. Nor am I pumping u p Jack to be the almighty leader, I am simply trying to view things as the Others might perceive based on their observations, not mine. I just think they are the two people the Others have the most to gain from in either of the situations above...More recruits if the two rebels are on board with it, least amount lost if they had to kill them both..

They are going to ask Jack to perform surgery on the girl who Sun shot on the boat.

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Well no -
They obviously had plans for Jack before this happened.

Also I'm pretty sure the Others have a very capable and qualified doctor. You can't tell me none of them have gotten a little ill their WHOLE time on the island. Including Ben, who's been their his whole life.

They are going to ask Jack to perform surgery on the girl who Sun shot on the boat.
So they captured him BEFORE they knew she would get shot??

Jack's clearly the catalyst for not only this particular scenario with the Others but the show in general. Whatever Ben and Co have in store for him (at least IMO) revolves around Jack as a person and his life OFF the Island. I also think that the Others are trying to get him to cooperate in their schemes rather than being forced as some sort of "moral highground."

I thought they had a medical team ready to Csection Claires baby?

My tape stopped just at the moment where Ben said "That's home right on the other side of the glass." Or words to that effect. Can someone quote for me the lines that follwed, which i must have missed? I assume that is where Ben offers to take him home? In exchange for something? Thanks to anyone who can fill in this blank for me!

-Margalit

Hiya guys...
I really dont ahve time to read this whole thread, but Ive just finished watching this episode, and after I watched Ben say that to Jack I felt pretty darn safe that Jack, may play along with the others, but after all he'll look after the losties. Why? Because why the hell would he want to go home?
In all of Jacks FB's so far, have we seen anything he'd actually want to return to?

His job...no doubt he loves it...but he'd have to return and work in a place where EVERYBODY knows that he betrayed his own father.

Family...does he have any other than his mother? And would he be able to return to her without his father? What would he say? Yes I had the body...but you see I was on this plane crash and stranded for 60+days by some evil hillbillies...so I really couldnt make it back in time for the funeral

His life...Well...between Sarah and Christian what has he got left?

How would his mother accept her son, not only for causing the fracas that caused Christian to go to Australia and subsequently drink himself to death? Something telles me Cruella wouldnt exactly welcome Jack back with open arms...

This leads me to believe that the Others either dont know Jack as well as they are making us believ...or its all some kind of mind game, knowing that he'll play them along and theyre somehow setting him up for a fall...OR Jack will manage to pull a fast one over them

I guess only time will tell!

Angie
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Any group could always use another doctor. :D The way the losties have been killing others they might have taken some of their's out for all we know.

I am thinking that they have a couple - one to make the other cooperate - for whatever they have planned on that part.

Then they have Jack for another reason. They need a doctor, right? Charlie killed the last one. I was thinking that Colleen, if she's not dead, will need surgery right quick.

Jack can't refuse to save a life, can he?

I have a feeling it has something to do with the people in the cages...there has to be a reason they seperated them...maybe they will turn Jack?

Using the Red Sox to get to him was amazing. The last three minutes were the best of the night.

wow what an amazing way to get to Jack...yet I feel Ben has underestimated Jack's strength and resolve

I think that Jack is going to be asked to use his medical skills to fix Colleen (the woman who was shot by Sun) . . . and I do believe that Ben has been off the island, just that he has LIVED there his entire life!

My two cents . . .

I think you are right

Nice thought, and I still do think Jack is playing his own game with the others. That said, an explanation to why Jack didn't believe Ben would simply be that he's pretty well broken. I don't think Jack has eaten the sandwich or soup nor slept....

Jack hasn't eaten yet IMO and I feel he is still with us...everything is ticking over in Jack (he is one amazingly strong guy)

Then they have Jack for another reason. They need a doctor, right? Charlie killed the last one. I was thinking that Colleen, if she's not dead, will need surgery right quick.

Jack can't refuse to save a life, can he?

I think you are right and Jack would never refuse to save a live...this is Jack's opening to bargain with the others...they need his skills...he will provide his skills if they cooperate with him (I think Jack is going to turn the tables on Juliet and Ben)

I think Jack will join the Others as soon as he learns what their real reasons are.
In these past few days we've been told through various interviews by the actors/producers that we will change our ... perspective.
I'm badly looking forward to knowing in what sense they are the "good guys".
So my take on this is that Jack will become one of the Others. Without any coercion.

I think Ben is sincire in his offer i think we will see that in epi4 that when they ask Jack to work on Colleen that he will ask for the truth in exchange is my guess.

I think they seem to be messing with Sawyer and Kate's head more then Jack who they seem to be trying to turn

My big question when I saw this scene was what Ben meant by "I will take you home". Does this mean he will personally escort Jack back home? I thought his phrasing was odd. Or does this just mean he will show Jack a way off the island, like with Walt and Michael.

Also, like someone else mentioned, has Ben been off the island before? Sure, he's lived there all his life, but has he been off the island? If he has, this would give some credence to the idea that he would personally take Jack home.

How can anyone think they are trying to recruit the crash victims? I'd have to say thier recruiting techniques need A LOT OF WORK! Especially since giving them shelter, clean clothes, and some warm food would go a lot further to recruiting them then kidnapping and neck snapping. No, I think they are trying to use them, and nothing more.

I get the distinct impression they feel the crash victims are beneath them in every way.

Here is my theory: Ben is not "Him." But "He" is the reason why Ben and the rest of the Others can't leave the island. There's something that Ben needs Jack for at "his" bequest; if Jack can accomplish his task, "He" will let them free and both Ben and Jack will be able to leave.

This theory really makes sense! I personally don't think anyone can 'leave' the island right now - probably as a result of a quarantine of the 'sickness' we haven't heard anything about since Season 1. I think the island itself has certain properties that make it very difficult to leave and add a blockade to that means nobody is going nowhere.
If Jack can do something about the sickness then 'they' would have a better chance of getting free of the island.

BTW: Doesn't Benry look 40-ish? That means he was born around the 60's which pre-dates what we know about Dharma on the island, right?

Oldwiz

Yes it predates what we know which is admittedly NOT MUCH for all we know Dharma put people on this island in WWII.

Njc------------------

I think that Ben will try to get Jack to convince the losties that they would be much better off if they got off the beach and away from their premative dwellings and back into society, but not their orginal society but the one that has been created on the island by the others.I do think that Ben will just conduct more tests on the losties if he got them under his control. Maybe they are making Kate and Sawyer get areas ready for more people to live. It really looked like they were just clearing land,getting ready to build something. What and who were the other people working on the chain gang?

I think they need Jack's medical skills for help with the population on the island........this may belong elsewhere but I felt that all the same age group women seemed to appear related. If there is a fertility problem that would explain first the taking the children (couldn't have their own) and second the need for a doctor either for trying to fix the problem or finding out why the problem and how to prevent it.

That's not a bad idea about a fertility problem. Certainly a possibility.

I think the Others are trying to recruit the Losties to their side for some reason. Jack has emerged as the leader and if they get him on board with their thinking then they have a better chance at Jack talking other people into siding with the Others. Why didnt they just take Jack then, and brainwash him that way?

I think if they wanted to recruit the Losties, they would have met them on the beaches with open arms and help them after the crash. You get much more further with sugar than with vinegar.

How can anyone think they are trying to recruit the crash victims? I'd have to say thier recruiting techniques need A LOT OF WORK! Especially since giving them shelter, clean clothes, and some warm food would go a lot further to recruiting them then kidnapping and neck snapping. No, I think they are trying to use them, and nothing more.

I get the distinct impression they feel the crash victims are beneath them in every way.

Actually, Noeland said it better than I did.