Lol after that display of awesome fighting and knowledge of combat he displayed in the cage at the end, all those people out there thinking sawyer was a wimp have anything to say now?

Now its cemented in my mind that he could take Jack, a poll before this showed people thought Jack would win, now just for the sake of it, I'm going to see people's opinions now. hehe.

He's an ok street brawler, Jack's a doctor (though we don't know exactly what he's been through). I wouldn't bet on Jack against Sawyer... but Jack somehow managed to beat Ethan single handedly (albeit with a bunch of people standing around), a man that Locke himself said was better at everything combat and survival than him, so who knows. If Jack can take a 'professional' like Ethan then he can take Sawyer.

He's an ok street brawler, Jack's a doctor (though we don't know exactly what he's been through). I wouldn't bet on Jack against Sawyer... but Jack somehow managed to beat Ethan single handedly (albeit with a bunch of people standing around), a man that Locke himself said was better at everything combat and survival than him, so who knows. If Jack can take a 'professional' like Ethan then he can take Sawyer.

Ethan wasnt a proffessional, in fact in the commentary for season one they said his style was quite animalistic depending more on his strength than skill. Jack also got Ethan from behind the second time. Sawyer took on 3 others this ep AFTER getting hit in the head with the butt of a rifle. Pretty impressive if you ask me.

I never thought it was realistic that Jack could even stay in the ring with Sawyer. A streetwise, dirty-dealing thug against a country-club spine surgeon -- I mean, I know who I'd want to win, but I also know who my money would be on.

Now Sayid would wipe up the floor with Sawyer.

Now Sayid would wipe up the floor with Sawyer.

Like he was doing in the 2nd part of the Pilot? Honestly I'd put Sawyer at even or better odds against everyone on the Island except Eko. Eko IMO is top dog on that island.

I think Sawyer proved he could take down quite a few hefty people if he's sufficiently motivated.

I never thought it was realistic that Jack could even stay in the ring with Sawyer. A streetwise, dirty-dealing thug against a country-club spine surgeon -- .

We don't know anything much yet about Jack's stay in Thailand other than he played poker. He could be a Thai Boxing spine surgeon.

However, my money is on "Hulk" Hurley for island fighting champ. :biggrin:

lol hulk hurley. well hurley can be pretty tuff when he wants to be, but Sawyer I'd say would be second on this island only to Eko, and even then I'm not entirelty sure. Eko's classic move seems to be his headbutt and stick beat. We havent seen him kick yet, meaning he loses half of his advantage. (honeslty I think Sawwyer outweights Eko...they always try to make Adewale look bigger than he is. heh)

Ethan wasnt a proffessional, in fact in the commentary for season one they said his style was quite animalistic depending more on his strength than skill. Jack also got Ethan from behind the second time. Sawyer took on 3 others this ep AFTER getting hit in the head with the butt of a rifle. Pretty impressive if you ask me.
I put professional in inverted commas for a reason, it was referring to Locke's assesment of him. I'm not saying he is a hitman or a marine but that, in Locke's opinion he knows everything he knows about combat and survival and a lot more besides. I don't think Sawyer would last a minute with Ethan one on one, Sawyer took on three men, two who don't know how to fight and one who did but is about 70 pounds overweight.

Personally I don't think Jack should have been able to take Ethan, but since they showed him doing it I have to assume Jack has his own 'combat' experience.

Gotta remember though, Ethan and Jack are 1-1. First time Ethan beat him senseless.

Forgot about Eko...yeah, he might be the guy I'd least want to mess with. I'll still lay odds on Sayid in a smackdown with Sawyer, though. This guy was part of an elite military unit which spent a lot of money training him to kill people. Sawyer's lucky that fight was broken up.

lol hulk hurley. well hurley can be pretty tuff when he wants to be, but Sawyer I'd say would be second on this island only to Eko, and even then I'm not entirelty sure. Eko's classic move seems to be his headbutt and stick beat. We havent seen him kick yet, meaning he loses half of his advantage. (honeslty I think Sawwyer outweights Eko...they always try to make Adewale look bigger than he is. heh)
I would never beat against Eko in a fight with Sawyer or anyone on the island except Sayid. Sawyer may be good in a bar brawl but Eko is a stone cold killer, has been since he was a kid, no way someone like Sawyer would get the better of him.

I'd say Eko or Sayid could definitely take Sawyer, or pretty much anyone else on the island we've seen, their experience/training puts them in a different league at least mentally, and that's a huge advantage in a fight.

I hope Jack beats up Sawyer.

I put professional in inverted commas for a reason, it was referring to Locke's assesment of him. I'm not saying he is a hitman or a marine but that, in Locke's opinion he knows everything he knows about combat and survival and a lot more besides. I don't think Sawyer would last a minute with Ethan one on one, Sawyer took on three men, two who don't know how to fight and one who did but is about 70 pounds overweight.

Personally I don't think Jack should have been able to take Ethan, but since they showed him doing it I have to assume Jack has his own 'combat' experience.

well heres the thing, and im speaking as a second degree kenpo black belt: fighting skill, combat experience, strength speed and smarts are all subjective to the moment that they need to be used. Translation: ANYONE CAN BEAT ANYONE under the right circumstances. Ethan had the upper hand against Jack the first time around, second time he had the tables turned as he was gotten from behind.

Just like in that episode hurley pwned Sawyer (which i thought was hilarious) was because Hurley got the jump on sawyer when he was drinking something (same way Jack did in ep 8 when sawyer was drinking water) and someone of sawyers weight is going to have a hard time getting out from under hurleys despite how strong smart fast and experienced you are. mortal is mortal. Ethan was mortal, and seeing what Sawyer knows I'd have to say its a toss up between him and Ethan, not that it matters because Ethan is dead now. Heck I'd sayj Jack could beat sawyer if he had the right motivation aka it was to "fix" something lol or to save someone though i doubt sawyer would ever be an obsticle in that.

Then again, I'd have to say from experience, a kiss from the woman you love puts more power into you than 20 yott batteries. (I won many a martial arts tournmanet just from the power of my true love's kiss before the match...heh) So he had the motivation and the skill to take action here and got his hand on a gun amoung dozens of enemies. Not an easy task. Could Jack have done it? I dont know. Sure as hell not now with his back against the wall.

I honestly can't say...

As we can see, Sawyer can take the competition in and assess the situation. He noticed that a couple of the smaller guys didn't have the skills but two of the bigger guys could pack a punch!!

I think he's good with the ones he can beat - and I think he'll con the ones he can't!!:biggrin:

I hope Jack beats up Sawyer.

Haha me too. I really do like Sawyer, but sometimes, that boy just needs someone to put him in line.

But Eko and Sayid would just flatten both Jack and Sawyer. ;)

Haha me too. I really do like Sawyer, but sometimes, that boy just needs someone to put him in line.

But Eko and Sayid would just flatten both Jack and Sawyer. ;)

you know, Eko maybe, but I still don think Sayid could. Maybe when he was in the mode hw as when he took on Eko, but not normally. Sawyer was beating him in the pilot episode, and we havent really seen Sayid fight anyone in a decent fight since then with the exceptoion of Eko. Wut he did to benry doesnt count because he was tied up.

See, people seemt o have this theory that soldiers are all automatically strong and better fighters than everyoene lse. This is a falicy people, there are plenty of civillians out there who could wipe the floor with alot of soldiers. The only thing is beong a soldiers adds the potential of experince more so than civillilans, but I think its safe to say Sawyer has had fighting experience. Me myself I've never been in any of the armed forces but I have had plenty of fights. (real fighting, not martial arts tournmanents)

My grandfather said it best "being a soldier isnt the same as being sent over seas, people tend to blend the two together" and he WAS a soldier. so he'd know.

Knowing the writers: "Kate still comes in and stops it". ;)

you know, Eko maybe, but I still don think Sayid could. Maybe when he was in the mode hw as when he took on Eko, but not normally. Sawyer was beating him in the pilot episode, and we havent really seen Sayid fight anyone in a decent fight since then with the exceptoion of Eko. Wut he did to benry doesnt count because he was tied up.

See, people seemt o have this theory that soldiers are all automatically strong and better fighters than everyoene lse. This is a falicy people, there are plenty of civillians out there who could wipe the floor with alot of soldiers. The only thing is beong a soldiers adds the potential of experince more so than civillilans, but I think its safe to say Sawyer has had fighting experience. Me myself I've never been in any of the armed forces but I have had plenty of fights. (real fighting, not martial arts tournmanents)

My grandfather said it best "being a soldier isnt the same as being sent over seas, people tend to blend the two together" and he WAS a soldier. so he'd know.

Yeah, I totally see what you're saying and I do think Sawyer is a great fighter. But there's something about Sayid... I just feel like he is so dangerous. I personally think he could take Sawyer down. :smile:

Yeah, I totally see what you're saying and I do think Sawyer is a great fighter. But there's something about Sayid... I just feel like he is so dangerous. I personally think he could take Sawyer down. :smile:

Sayid is DEFINATLY a dangerous man. But heres the thing:

Every skill sayid has, sawyer has to match.

They've both killed,
They both know alot about weapons,
They both know how to READ people,
They are both skilled in hand to hand combat and know a good deal about it,
They can both manipulate people,

theres two big differences in my opinion. 1: Sayid does it with complete coldness and Sawyer does it with a smile making him seem less dangerous 2: Sawyer has several inches and probably 40-50 pounds on Sayid. Which is where I see Sawyer's advantage.

When you are that evently matched...those are the things it comes down to. That, motivation, and of course adrenalline.

I agree that they're pretty even, although I think each probably has one distinct advantage. Sawyer is bigger, and Sayid with his soldier training would probably out class Sawyer if they wound up on the ground.

I never thought it was realistic that Jack could even stay in the ring with Sawyer. A streetwise, dirty-dealing thug against a country-club spine surgeon

I actually think Jack and Sawyer are pretty evenly matched. Both have some serious issues and messed up family lives, but I must give Jack the upper hand.

If I remember correctly, in the first two seasons, anytime Jack actually had any type of face off/alpha dog head-butting with Sawyer, he slapped Sawyer around and outwitted him repeatedly. (The glasses exam, poker, the first time he asked for Shannon's inhalors). Plus Jack's got a few inches on Sawyer and whole lot of deep angst that he doesn't burn off too often.

I think ToTC taught us that Jack shouldn't be so underestimated--the fact that he usually restrains any violent outbursts is what makes his "breaking" points so much more compelling and intimidating.

I actually think Jack and Sawyer are pretty evenly matched. Both have some serious issues and messed up family lives, but I must give Jack the upper hand.

If I remember correctly, in the first two seasons, anytime Jack actually had any type of face off/alpha dog head-butting with Sawyer, he slapped Sawyer around and outwitted him repeatedly. (The glasses exam, poker, the first time he asked for Shannon's inhalors). Plus Jack's got a few inches on Sawyer and whole lot of deep angst that he doesn't burn off too often.

I think ToTC taught us that Jack shouldn't be so underestimated--the fact that he usually restrains any violent outbursts is what makes his "breaking" points so much more compelling and intimidating.

you seem to forget that Sawyer didnt fight back in ep 8 and the first punch was thrown with Sawyer not even looking ^.^

I dont think Jack has a few inches on Sawyer...more like 1 inch. heh, though height isnt evernything. I'd say until we have proof that Jack has combat experience Sawyer is the man now dog. (not saying Jack might not have it, but we have yet to see it) throwing his offhand right cross punches with full force, kicking the glass and tackling his father isnt proof we shouldnt underestimate anything. his fight with ethan is something to give him full credit for, tho lets not forget he did get the upperhand from behind and ethn and him were 1-1.

Sawyer let Jack beat him. He wanted him to lose control and look bad in front of the others in the cave. That was pretty clear.

I think Sawyer has now shown he can fight, and he knows tactics and can assess potential threats.

However, I do think Jack is still in with a chance. That man has a mean temper and is great when highly motivated.

I think it would depend on what stakes were involved.

It all comes down to motivation. WHAT they're fighting for will determine the winner. ;)

Love your last choice, prince! :24:

I bet on Sawyer because he knows to play DIRTY!

OTOH, Jack is the hero and he can't lose a fight even against Rocky Balboa, that's unbelievable :hypocrit:

Yes, no question. Something else Sawyer does better is use self-control, (with his fists - yes, but with his mouth - usually. ;) .

I agree that Eko is the top dog. That man is downright scary. I would put Sayid second. Don't underestimate Jack. We don't know everything about him. The first epi of this season showed that he can be a little unstable. He has a lot of issues and pent up anger. When that is unleased, he is very dangerous. Sawyer is a street fighter, a scrapper. He did well in that scene because he caught the others off guard. Anyone with a little training can probably kick his arse. After what we've seen of Jin, he's a force to be reckoned with too.

He's an ok street brawler, Jack's a doctor (though we don't know exactly what he's been through). I wouldn't bet on Jack against Sawyer... but Jack somehow managed to beat Ethan single handedly (albeit with a bunch of people standing around), a man that Locke himself said was better at everything combat and survival than him, so who knows. If Jack can take a 'professional' like Ethan then he can take Sawyer.

There were cut scenes where Ethan was fighting with Locke. I assume that in addition to Locke, he probably tangoed with either Sayid or Sawyer. He was already worn down by the time Jack got to him. But they probably cut those scenes to make Jack look better.

I think there is much we don't know about Jack. How could he take out Ethan but yet get knocked out by a girl? When Kate and Jack were "caught in a net" Kate shot at the rope and missed. Jack hit it on his first try. When does a spinal surgeron, who doesn't have time for his wife, get time to practice on a gun range?

How could he take out Ethan but yet get knocked out by a girl? When Kate and Jack were "caught in a net" Kate shot at the rope and missed. Jack hit it on his first try. When does a spinal surgeron, who doesn't have time for his wife, get time to practice on a gun range?

Well for one thing, when Jack took out Ethan he blindsided him and took him to the ground in a prepared trap/attack. As has been speculated by many others at this point, Jack is dehydrated and hallucinating at his point of attempted escape, not exactly the most balanced he's ever been. I think anyone in his position would have been knocked out "by a girl," especially after spending what is probably his last bit of energy/adrenaline to fight against the gushing water and shut that hatch door. Not to mention Juliet seems very capable. And she suckerpunched him.

As far as his incredible accuracy, I remember thinking the same thing when the episode aired. Of course, we still don't know anything about the tattoo (another thing that seems unnatural on Jack)

Sawyer isnt just a street brawler, didnt anyone listen to his convo with kate? He knows how to tell people's stnregths and weaknesses and even knows when someone knows martial arts. That prolly means he knows a little of it himself. (we have seen him use his legs to kick people effectivly (jin, sayid))

sawyer is a conman, he's used to this, this is his world, his life. jack's just an amazing, sweet, cute, sensitive, smart, dark, lovely, handsome doctor. so sawyer can beat up whoever he wants. this is not a flaw in Jack's character! althought he does have a dark past and we'll soon know about it.

but if you wanna compare. just take a look at both men with their shirts off. than you'll know who's the stronger one

Well for one thing, when Jack took out Ethan he blindsided him and took him to the ground in a prepared trap/attack. As has been speculated by many others at this point, Jack is dehydrated and hallucinating at his point of attempted escape, not exactly the most balanced he's ever been. I think anyone in his position would have been knocked out "by a girl," especially after spending what is probably his last bit of energy/adrenaline to fight against the gushing water and shut that hatch door. Not to mention Juliet seems very capable. And she suckerpunched him.

As far as his incredible accuracy, I remember thinking the same thing when the episode aired. Of course, we still don't know anything about the tattoo (another thing that seems unnatural on Jack)

exactly!!

Who votes this is a ridiculous poll?

Who votes this is a ridiculous poll?

Everybody who's posted, there's something on this site for everyone, serious and light hearted, why don't you find a thread you do enjoy.

Anyway Jack can take Sawyer, correct me if I'm wrong but there aren't many people on the island who haven't taken at shot at Sawyer and knocked him down, even Ana-Lucia, I think he can take a punch but not sure about his staying power. If he were a boxer I wouldn't expect he would go the distance.

Everybody who's posted, there's something on this site for everyone, serious and light hearted, why don't you find a thread you do enjoy.

Anyway Jack can take Sawyer, correct me if I'm wrong but there aren't many people on the island who haven't taken at shot at Sawyer and knocked him down, even Ana-Lucia, I think he can take a punch but not sure about his staying power. If he were a boxer I wouldn't expect he would go the distance.

Jack got sawyer when he wasnt looking...eko beat him with a stick...AL punched him when he was half dead....sayid knocked him out when he was sleeping...hurley jumped him when he was drinking.....yeah I think you'd get knocked down too under all of those circumstances, and Jack definatly would too. Need i remind you he got knocked out by juliet in one punch last ep? KNOCKED OUT not just knocked down. Sawyer has yet to be knocked unconious by a punch.

And are you kidding? Sawyer can take more punishment than all of the people on the island put together. Remember the torture? Remember sayid's equivilant to that and how he was begging within minutes? Come on.....seriously...think before you post people.

There were cut scenes where Ethan was fighting with Locke. I assume that in addition to Locke, he probably tangoed with either Sayid or Sawyer. He was already worn down by the time Jack got to him. But they probably cut those scenes to make Jack look better.
Good to know, thanks. I might have to take a look at the DVD afterall!

i voted for Jack winning i mean he took down Ethan single handedly and as for the 1st time i think that was just because of the fall.

because Jack is a doctor id say he knows where pressure points are and how to exploit them even if he wasnt a great fighter.

If Sawyer and Jack were going into a on on one knowingly, I'd have to go with Sawyer either not having to take a hit with his suprising speed he has. Or still come out swinging if Jack did get the jump on him. Like someone mentioned earlier - he took on 3 Others after getting the butt of a gun in his head.

After what we've seen of Jin, he's a force to be reckoned with too.

I think people are concentrating too much on how cool Sawyer looked in this episode when Jin had one of his best moments since going crazy at Michael back in season one. Walking into a room and throwing someone tall with a muscular build around wouldnt be easy I dont think.

Eko > Sawyer > Sayid > Jack. Though I think the last 3 there are past fighting each other by now.

I think they're pretty evenly matched. Both have done some damage, and both have been overpowered by people who should not have been able to do so.

I always thought Sawyer could take Jack!!

I remember Hurley giving Sawyer a beating :biggrin:

That's what we call the new improved Sawyer! hee

All Kung-Fu stuff aside... Jack has shown a relentless nature that would take any Skills James would have over him....

If it was a head to head fight Sawyer would win hands down. Well in my opinion he would anyway.

I think Sayid could take anyone out on the island. He's got the skills and training, and the disipline to only use it when he has to. I dont think he has shown us what he is capable of, but if he beat Eko down like he did, he is capable of anything, including mopping the floor with Sawyer and Jack.
Also I always thought the fight between Sayid and Sawyer in the pilot was pretty even, no real winner there, both got some good shots in. Sayid didn't lose.

Anyways, I would put my money on Sawyer over Jack, but something tells me Jack has more fighting experience than we all know. Hopefully it will be revealed soon.

Jin also is a force to be reckoned with. Just because he isnt one of the "main players" doesnt mean he cant take someone out. The guy is ripped, and his flashbacks shown that he can dominate people if he has to. Even though he did suprise Mike, he just killed him. Mike couldnt do anything, didnt even get a shot in.

Charlie could take out Sawyer



haha, joking!! :)

I'd put my money on Sawyer over anyone else on the island other than Eko and Jin. Well actually I'd put my money on Sawyer over Eko aswell, but Eko is very powerful and would probably win. The end of 3.02 showed that Sawyer could think tactically while fighting though, which would win over brute force.
But Sawyer V Jin...that's a tough one. I reckon Jin would win. His hits look more sharp & painful. And he manages to take out all the guys we've seen him beat up (with the possible option of killing them, which, I think, he has the ability to do, if he wanted to) pretty much without them even scratching him.

Just to add more on the subject;

James has shown his ability to surprise people..... with a well used surprise attack the odds are always in your favor.

I think circumstances ALWAYS play into the equation;

Why are they fighting?

What advantage can one get over on the other?

Environment.


My vote was for Jack because with all things considered equal Jack has the Heart... that's something that you either have or don’t.................... But with this being said James is no idiot. He surprised that "others". I would think if it came down to it He would try to gain this advantage over Jack..... Like a sucker punch or sand to the eyes.

The question would then be.... Is it enough before Jack starts in on James with everything he's got.

I think Kimbo should be added to the cast.

My vote was for Jack because with all things considered equal Jack has the Heart... that's something that you either have or don’t.................... But with this being said James is no idiot. He surprised that "others". I would think if it came down to it He would try to gain this advantage over Jack..... Like a sucker punch or sand to the eyes.

The question would then be.... Is it enough before Jack starts in on James with everything he's got.


Sawyer is mentally tougher than Jack. That has been shown through out the first few episodes. Sawyer is still fighting and working to get out, while Jack is sitting against the wall.

You folks seem to forget one thing here. Motive. Sawyer feels a kinship and respect for Jack that Jack so far does not feel in return. This gives Jack a HUGE edge in any combat between the two. If the gloves were completely off, I might be enclined to give the fight to Sawyer. But, anything that goes down between them will not start that way, and my bet is that Jack finishes him off quickly. And I also think there is more to Jack's fighting ability then meets the eye.

I voted that Kate comes in and stops it. She's been playing both of them from the beginning. :disgust:

Jack would beat Sawyer! No question! There is something dark and hidden about Jack like the tattoos like how does he know how to use a gun, plus where did he get such great aim?

The way Jack is now, Paris Hilton could whup him! :rolleyes:

But in the end... Echo would kick both their butt's.... at once. ;)

I think that Sawyer can take Jack but he won't give up Kate for anything.I have much more to say but I'm getting sleepy so I'll have a cuple more posts buts thats it so I'm cutting this one short.:drowsy:

If Kate was there she would break it up, but if not Sawyr would own Jacks sorry spinal surgeon ***.

[quote=Kel_el;1218349]But in the end... Echo would kick both their butt's.... at once.
;)

Yes i agree

It's a draw. Jack can kick Sawyer's keister as much as Sawyer can kick Jack's.

I said that Jack would win because he is a doctor and he lived in LA and and problaby has seen more fights than Sawyer AND he has that edge because doctors know all the right spots to hit and Jack pushes Sawyers buttons more than Sawyer pushes him and he has been To Phuket or whatever and I have heard that place can be pretty bad

Sawyer would whoop Jack's ***. I've always said so. This episode only confirmed it for me.

You folks seem to forget one thing here. Motive. Sawyer feels a kinship and respect for Jack that Jack so far does not feel in return. This gives Jack a HUGE edge in any combat between the two. If the gloves were completely off, I might be enclined to give the fight to Sawyer.I think this is a good point, and is something that most folks don't seem to have considered in their voting. Namely, I think that to do any reasonably guesstimate of who might be able to take who, we have to start from the assumption that all parties are now fully pi****-off and ready to throw down... regardless of how much time or provocation that might take.

In other words, Jin (for example) might go from calm to "fighting mad" with only a certain amount of provocation, whereas it might take Hurley a lot more provocation than that before he's "fighting mad." So in 'real-life' (for lack of a better term), Jin would have the upper-hand, because he'd be ready to start cracking heads before Hurley had gotten to full boil. But in a theoretical "ranking" like this, I think what we're really asking is who could put the beat-down on who, all other things being equal.

So with that in mind, here's my spin on this silliness. (This only includes current Losties... not Others, departed Losties, deceased Losties, etc.) :)
Eko. He just strikes me as crazy dangerous. He may not be any more dangerous than Sayid, but I think his edge in size would help him against Sayid.
Sayid. He's got a slow fuse, which would hamper him in real-life conditions against Sawyer, Jack, or Jin, but I don't think any of them would be a match for him assuming he wasn't trying to keep himself reined in (as he usually does).
Jin. While he doesn't seem to actually enjoy violence, he's obviously skilled at dishing it out.
Sawyer. Usually when we see Saywer in a confrontation, he's cracking a one-liner and someone else belts him in the mouth. I think we saw in TGB that when he doesn't give an opponent that free first shot, he's more of a force to reckon with.
Jack. He obviously has something in his background that provided him with more fighting ability than your average spinal surgeon...
Hurley. It may seem odd to rank him this high. But to be honest, I'm not totally convinced I'm not ranking him too low. Speaking from experience (note my username), a lot of folks forget that guys as big as Hurley -- even if they don't have great skill -- can be extremely dangerous in a fight. Their mass makes them difficult to handle in a grappling situation, and can help them shake off shots that would drop smaller guys. Also, they tend to have very good whole-body strength, simply from carrying their own weight around all the time, even if they don't look that muscular. For example, how do you think Jack would do running through the jungle carrying 200 pounds along with him? Hurley essentially does that every time he runs. :)
Locke. His usually-hidden anger issues can make him a bit scary (as we saw when he pummelled Charlie by the ocean), helping overcome his age and occasional mobility issues.
Desmond. We haven't seen him fight, so I can't really rank him above anyone we have seen fight, but I wouldn't be surprised if he really ranked a lot higher... maybe as high as second or third.
Kate. Her recent submissiveness aside, I'd probably rank her above any of the remaining guys. Were she to mix it up with Charlie or Bernard, I'd put my money on her. She might even rank above Desmond or Locke, but beyond that point, I think the guys just get too big for her.
Charlie. Bernard has quite a bit of size on him, but Charlie is younger and seems to have a bit more fire inside.Notes: Were Ana-Lucia still alive, I'd probably rank her 7th, between Hurley and Locke. Were Michael still on the Island, I'd rank him 9th, between Desmond and Kate. Boone, Shannon, Libby, Cindy, Arzt, and Walt wouldn't make the list, even if they were still alive. If Danielle is considered a Lostie, I'd rank her 10th, below Kate and replacing Charlie.

Sawyer is mentally tougher than Jack. That has been shown through out the first few episodes. Sawyer is still fighting and working to get out, while Jack is sitting against the wall.

After I Do, I don't think you can make that statement any longer :)

Jack is, imo, much smarter than Sawyer, and just as physically brutal. Sure, Sawyer's scrappy, but what exactly was Jack doing in Thailand? I believe thats where the producers have hinted he received his tattoo; he certainly learned how to play poker there. Also, we learned that Jack is a dead on shot with a handgun, perhaps that has something to do with Thailand as well. There's still too much to uncover about Jack's darkside to accurately sum his ability to fight just yet.

Proper motivation is key to all this, I definitely agree with that, but I'd still put my money on Jack. I am biased, of course :)

You folks seem to forget one thing here. Motive. Sawyer feels a kinship and respect for Jack that Jack so far does not feel in return. This gives Jack a HUGE edge in any combat between the two. If the gloves were completely off, I might be enclined to give the fight to Sawyer. But, anything that goes down between them will not start that way, and my bet is that Jack finishes him off quickly. And I also think there is more to Jack's fighting ability then meets the eye.

If I remember correctly, when Sawyer was dying and Jack was fixing him up, he told Jack that if the table were turned, he'd let Jack die. Doesn't sound like much kinship there. I'd give Sawyer the edge in this sense; he's ruthless. But Jack definitely has more heart and pent up rage.

I hope we do get to see these two go head to head - and after Jack witnessing Kate in Sawyer's cage, this could very well happen. I think any interaction between the 3 of them after this will be interesting.

After I Do, I don't think you can make that statement any longer :)

Jack is, imo, much smarter than Sawyer, and just as physically brutal. Sure, Sawyer's scrappy, but what exactly was Jack doing in Thailand? I believe thats where the producers have hinted he received his tattoo; he certainly learned how to play poker there. Also, we learned that Jack is a dead on shot with a handgun, perhaps that has something to do with Thailand as well. There's still too much to uncover about Jack's darkside to accurately sum his ability to fight just yet.

Proper motivation is key to all this, I definitely agree with that, but I'd still put my money on Jack. I am biased, of course :)



If I remember correctly, when Sawyer was dying and Jack was fixing him up, he told Jack that if the table were turned, he'd let Jack die. Doesn't sound like much kinship there. I'd give Sawyer the edge in this sense; he's ruthless. But Jack definitely has more heart and pent up rage.

I hope we do get to see these two go head to head - and after Jack witnessing Kate in Sawyer's cage, this could very well happen. I think any interaction between the 3 of them after this will be interesting.

are you forgetting that that was episode 8 when sawyer said that to jack about letting him die? :rolleyes: alot of people comment like this going bk to character relations in the first couple episodes when the relationships clearly changed over the time. sawyer and jack have both shown they care for eachother. and sawyer has also proven time and again that what he says is not at all what he thinks. (every man for himself?? yeah thats why his number one priority was to get KATE out and not himself.) he also wants people to hate him...theres no way he would have let jack die if their positions were revered. also...have you forgotten that jack was also involved in sawyer's TORTURE at the time which happened not 10 minutes earlier? id prolly tell someone they could die an di wouldnt care too after that.

ill agree we cant say for sure until we see what Jack did in thailand, but right now theyre made it clear sawyer knows how to fight whereas theyve only hinted at it with jack thus far.

are you forgetting that that was episode 8 when sawyer said that to jack about letting him die? :rolleyes: alot of people comment like this going bk to character relations in the first couple episodes when the relationships clearly changed over the time. sawyer and jack have both shown they care for eachother. and sawyer has also proven time and again that what he says is not at all what he thinks. (every man for himself?? yeah thats why his number one priority was to get KATE out and not himself.) he also wants people to hate him...theres no way he would have let jack die if their positions were revered. also...have you forgotten that jack was also involved in sawyer's TORTURE at the time which happened not 10 minutes earlier? id prolly tell someone they could die an di wouldnt care too after that.

ill agree we cant say for sure until we see what Jack did in thailand, but right now theyre made it clear sawyer knows how to fight whereas theyve only hinted at it with jack thus far.

All good points, especially the torture scene occurring mere minutes before that line. Didn't factor into my thinking at ALL.

However, the only difference I've (personally) noted between Jack and Sawyer (in respect to the whole "kinship" level) is when Sawyer tells Jack about his discovery of the man in Australia being Jack's father... you could tell he chose to tell Jack because he knew it would mean a lot to Jack to hear it. I really always enjoyed that scene between them, it was their "finding common ground" moment.

I just feel that the Kate competition will forever gap them, obviously. And just because of their inherent natures, each will always try to out-Alpha Dog the other. I really love their rivalry, wish we got to see more of it.