I wonder what gave Sawyer that impression. I mean, I totally think Juliet is one smart, devious woman from her encounters with Jack, but Sawyer hardly knows her. I mean, she only tasered him that one time! :rolleyes:

What do people think?

There was something in her expression--that steely-eyed gaze meant business. Sawyer bet his life and his livelihood on being able to read people back in the "real world," and I thought it was pretty clear that she wasn't bluffing, and he would have been the first to pick up on that. Sawyer is probably pretty used to figuring out if someone with a gun is prepared to use it, imo.

I just rewatched that scene because the line confused me too. I have no idea why he said that. I guess he's comparing the attitudes of some of the Others with the attitude of Juliet, and he just thinks she's stronger than the rest of the one. But I thought that impression was really odd. I don't quite understand why he said that.

I don't know that she really would have shot Kate...but she's certainly convincing, and she made Sawyer think she would. Huh...maybe she "out-conned" him...

I'm not quite on the side of Juliet being a "good" other. So far all she's looked is cold blooded to me.

I thought that was kind of strange, seeing as she underestimated Jack last episode when he attacked her. If she were that type of person I would have thought that she'd be able to fight off a hungry delusional Jack.

Might also be why she has such a fierce punch.

Come on folks, Juliet is a stone killer just like the rest of our others. She'd of capped Kate if Sawyer wouldn't have dropped the gun, just like Sun capped Colleen.

If she were that type of person I would have thought that she'd be able to fight off a hungry delusional Jack.

She let Jack have the upper hand so he'd go for the door and be tricked by the rushing water, after which, he would stop trying to escape.

Juliet's a player on the level with Ben. But unfortunately, she has come into contact with someone who understand human psychology as well as she - James Ford aka Sawyer. You can't fool one who fools others. Sawyer has already figured out the whole camp.

I think Sawyer and Locke are the two best judges of character on the island, so I would tend to trust Sawyer's perception of her.

She strikes me as cool headed and calculating. I absolutely believe she would have shot Kate.

Killed her? Quite probably ... if Sawyer had shot one of the Others.

Sawyer was testing. He only did that evaluate them. he didn't plan to take them all down. he wanted to see who meant business and who is cream puff. see conv. w/ kate back at cell

Yeah, and Benry listened to the entire exchange. He'll use it.

Sawyer was testing. He only did that evaluate them. he didn't plan to take them all down. he wanted to see who meant business and who is cream puff. see conv. w/ kate back at cell

We realize that, but Juliet didn't.

I think Sawyer and Locke are the two best judges of character on the island, so I would tend to trust Sawyer's perception of her.

She strikes me as cool headed and calculating. I absolutely believe she would have shot Kate.

Killed her? Quite probably ... if Sawyer had shot one of the Others.

I agree, Sheba. Sawyer made his living by "reading" people. I think he sized up Juliet to be different from the others and saw in her eyes how dead serious she was. Juliet came across as vulnerable and gentle and sympathetic last week, but I thought she seemed completely different tonight. Much more cold, calculating, and tough.
Yep, Sawyer is a pro at reading people and I would trust his judgement completely.

Sawyer was testing. He only did that evaluate them. he didn't plan to take them all down. he wanted to see who meant business and who is cream puff. see conv. w/ kate back at cell

I agree - Sawyer wasn't planning to make an actual escape right then, he set the thing up just to test the waters and see how they would operate and to gauge their skill, and strength and to look for weaknesses.

Yeah, the honchos are playing with our heads about Juliet just as Juliet was playing with Jack's head last week.

I suspect the jury will be out on Juliet till later this season.

And, yes, she'd have killed Kate in a NY minute if she felt it was necessary.

My assumption is that Sawyer assumed he was being surveiled, and assumed that someone was listening to his conversation with Kate. He knows that Juliette won't kill anyone, but he wants to make the others believe he's afraid of her. That way he can get into the same situation again, but with less people to stun gun him.

No because Kate is the only way they can control both Sawyer and Jack.

I think Sawyer's ability to "read" people is getting exagerrated here. Jack beat him in a card game quite easily in Lockdown, and being able to read people's bluffs is crucial in winning those. Juliet is obviously a lot tougher than the 3x1 intro led us to believe, but I'm not taking Sawyer's word for it that she would have killed Kate.

We don't know anything about Juliet, except that she doesn't over react and she seems sort of nice. She might have killed Kate, or she might have been an actress before she came to the island. Either way, I think Sawyer was just caught up in his others-rage, and his comment is just building up the hype against them.

Remember how fast she knocked Jack out cold last week? Juliet would probably have given Kate a flesh wound before a death shot.

Yeah, and Benry listened to the entire exchange. He'll use it.

I find myself wondering if this isn't the entire reason why Sawyer is there; so that Ben can get an honest perspective of the worth of the people around him.

I find myself wondering if this isn't the entire reason why Sawyer is there; so that Ben can get an honest perspective of the worth of the people around him.

Now there's an interesting thought! Well done. :)

Her favorite book is CARRIE- of course she would do it!

I know it woudl not make good for the rest of the season....but why didn't Sawyer put a bullet in juliet's head.....if they wanted kate dead, they would have already killed her, they needed her alive....if nothing else, to use to motivate Jack.

I wonder what gave Sawyer that impression. I mean, I totally think Juliet is one smart, devious woman from her encounters with Jack, but Sawyer hardly knows her. I mean, she only tasered him that one time! :rolleyes:

What do people think?

Not that it's really evidence or anything, just a gut feeling, but she reminds me of a character from La Femme Nikita. Madeline was a high level official within this really morally ambiguous and super-secret government agency called Section. One minute she looked very sympathetic, even motherly, but she could kill without the slightest hesitation. There is something about Juliet's manner, her expressions, that really strike that Madeline chord. I don't know if you will have a clue what I'm talking about, but maybe someone will.;)

to answer the question: when someone has killed in the past, you can see it in their eyes. I'm not even saying that figuritivly, there are little neuonces and lines and spots in the eyes that can literally reveal your entire past and the way you feel. I'm betting Sawyer has studied to read eyes, and could tell by her gaze that she meant it. Cops are trained to read eyes, to know if someones lying, when someone is bluffing they are not that cold. Even professional bluffers have weakneses.

Also, people put way to much stock in that card game with Jack. do people forget that card games are half LUCK? lol depending on the cards you draw. (imo it was pretty ridiculous that jack won every single hand) sides, Sawyer cared more about looking stupid then than anything, it distracted him. Jack even pointed that out.

i watched episode 1 a few times, why didn't saywer run when he saw her? (The bit where she tasered him and then he got captured again). I think he recognised her. That's the reason he knows what she's capable of. He knows her or has seen her in action b4

I think he recognised her. That's the reason he knows what she's capable of. He knows her or has seen her in action b4

I thought that maybe he knew Juliet from somewhere before based on the look on his face after Kate asked him why she had called him James. It is also possible that he was just really embarrassed about Kate learning his name.

Juliet did lok as though she wouldn't hesitate to shoot if she needed to.

I don't think he knows her from bfore, I'm quite certain that any of them would hav esaid something or done something then. I do think however that he is quite good at reading people, as is she.

The look on his face when Kate asked why she called him James, to me it looked as if a secret or something had been revealed, a secret that made him vunerable.

(imo it was pretty ridiculous that jack won every single hand) Agreed, I hated that card game SJ plot. (SJ = SuperJack). But that episode taught me as a viewer (and Sawyer too) not to underestimate Jack. Jack is a brilliant man and is Sawyer's achilles heal.

Damn, I wish those two would come together to fight The Others. They would make such a great team if they worked together.

The look on his face when Kate asked why she called him James, to me it looked as if a secret or something had been revealed, a secret that made him vunerable.
I know. That was bizzare to me. Kate knows that his name is James. Locke called him James in front of her. And she has known way back since CM that Sawyer is not his name.

There was something in her expression--that steely-eyed gaze meant business. Sawyer bet his life and his livelihood on being able to read people back in the "real world," and I thought it was pretty clear that she wasn't bluffing, and he would have been the first to pick up on that. Sawyer is probably pretty used to figuring out if someone with a gun is prepared to use it, imo.

This is so right on the money. Sawyer is someone who prides himself in being able to size up people on the spot. Not just being a con man, but look at the fight in this episode. Sawyer had a good feel for who could do what, and he went in to the fight to confirm it.

Sawyer could tell immediately that Juliett would have pulled the trigger. I guess my questions is what does that do to people's ideas/opinions of Juliett? Is she a good person, or a cold blooded killer?

I think Juliet had that, "Which way do YOU want this to go Sawyer... it's up to you, no skin off my back if I have to blow Kate away" I think Sawyer recognized it & made the right choice... as much as I wouldn't have minded this passive Kate biting it!

Also, people put way to much stock in that card game with Jack. do people forget that card games are half LUCK? lol depending on the cards you draw. (imo it was pretty ridiculous that jack won every single hand) sides, Sawyer cared more about looking stupid then than anything, it distracted him. Jack even pointed that out.Fact is that reading people plays heavily into ones success in card games. Jack is evidently extremely good at reading people, but was unable to successfully read Juliet's intentions, so why would Sawyer be any better just from a quick look? I can't think of any evidence before this episode where Sawyer had an uncanny ability to size people up, while the card game is a pretty good example of how he's actually bad at it. Juliet seems proficient in manipulation and whatever Sawyer thinks he read in her was probably what she wanted him to see.

I agree that Sawyer is a good judge of character, and he puts his skills to use by attacking The Others. Sawyer's weakness is arrogance though. He had to tell Kate his real plan when he should have realised that they were under surveillance. Juliet knew his name, so if he were smart he'd assume that they were keeping a close eye on him.

I think too that Sawyer knows the score -- that they are relatively meaningless to The Others. Why wouldn't Juliet kill Kate? He knew that Kate was in mortal peril from the circumstances and they way Juliet was acting. Giving up was the only way he could save her life, and I think this is the way that the Others will break him. Like Sayid said, "Use one prisoner to get to the other one". (paraphrase)

Good thoughts in this thread. To echo some sentiments:

1) I think it's clear Sawyer's actions were designed to size up the situation. He knew what the repurcussions would be for ANY sort of infraction, yet voluntarily broke the rules. The result? His conversation with Kate seems to indicate that the situation was orchestrated so he can get a lay of the land. Fitting for a con like himself. Whether he knew he and Kate were being monitored is unknown.

2) The monitoring scene at the end is key. The question is who has the upper hand? Ben acts like a puppetmaster, and it's possible he feels he has an edge since he can listen in on conversations and what not. That's all fine and good-IF what he heard from Sawyer is legit.

3) Juliet is hardcore. I have no doubt she would have shot Kate in an instant if Sawyer wouldn't have dropped the gun.

I have no doubt that she would have shot Kate. I have never disliked anyone on the show as much as I dislike Juliet (she makes Ana seem lovable!). I actually like Ben and he is "supposed" to be the worst one. I agree with whoever said that shooting the passive Kate would have been a good thing.

Not that it's really evidence or anything, just a gut feeling, but she reminds me of a character from La Femme Nikita. Madeline was a high level official within this really morally ambiguous and super-secret government agency called Section. One minute she looked very sympathetic, even motherly, but she could kill without the slightest hesitation. There is something about Juliet's manner, her expressions, that really strike that Madeline chord. I don't know if you will have a clue what I'm talking about, but maybe someone will.

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I can't BELIEVE I didn't even make that connection, lol! I frickin' loved that show, and you're right. They are almost identical. As is the relationship with Benry/Juliet and Maddy/Operations. Wow. Does that make Kate/Sawyer = Nikita/Michael?? LOL. Seriously though, you have a very good point. I'm going to have to watch Juliet more closely.