Season 3 is starting off great. But a couple of odd things are bothering me:

1- Does anyone else find it strange that the others DIDN'T know of Desmond's boat?
2- Does this mean they're NOT aware of Desmond either?
3- The Swan hatch has seemingly exploded/imploded but Ben and the other others don't seem a bit concerned about it . . .

By the way - are we gonna end up liking any of the Losties after Season 3? So far I hatedJack and Sun for what we've seen this season.

I think TPTB are making us re-look at the characters we all know and love and determine for ourselves who "the good ones" really are.

I also expect that we will find out more about the dark past of everyone.

I think TPTB are making us re-look at the characters we all know and love and determine for ourselves who "the good ones" really are.

I also expect that we will find out more about the dark past of everyone.





It kind of begs the question -- Do the Losties really need the others?

At this rate it does look like we'll find all the Losties to be "bad."

Has anyone noticed the numbers yet this season? I don't remember seeing them in the last two episodes.

Good point about re-evaluating the Losties, but we kind of did that last season also.

Season 3 is starting off great. But a couple of odd things are bothering me:

1- Does anyone else find it strange that the others DIDN'T know of Desmond's boat?
2- Does this mean they're NOT aware of Desmond either?
3- The Swan hatch has seemingly exploded/imploded but Ben and the other others don't seem a bit concerned about it . . .

By the way - are we gonna end up liking any of the Losties after Season 3? So far I hatedJack and Sun for what we've seen this season.

To add to this....If they didn't know about Desmond and his boat they clearly had little or no contact with Kelvin Inman either, since he DID know about the boat and in fact, was planning to "escape" with it.

I think THAT is pretty a interesting point to ponder over.

I found the fact that they didn't know about Desmond's boat odd, also. I understand the island is pretty big as far as islands go, but the others seem to be everywhere and know everything that's going on. Perhaps they abandoned the swan long ago, and since his was just one boat coming in, and not a large plane falling from the sky, they didn't take notice of his arrival. Who knows. It's too early in the season to speculate.

Now that you mention it, it weird that the Others didn't know there was a boat on the island. Do they know about the Black Rock? I wonder. Just how much do they know about "their island"?

Season 3 is starting off great. But a couple of odd things are bothering me:

1- Does anyone else find it strange that the others DIDN'T know of Desmond's boat?
2- Does this mean they're NOT aware of Desmond either?
3- The Swan hatch has seemingly exploded/imploded but Ben and the other others don't seem a bit concerned about it . . .
1.Not really, they don't seem quite as sophisticated as a group as I was expecting and so I don't think they have eyes and ears everywhere, the island is really very large. Maybe other groups on the island will be revealed, perhaps not, but there's certainly not enough of the others we've seen for them to be able to monitor the whole island. They probably knew about the people in the hatch and kept half an eye on them but that might have just been from the cameras, they wouldn't necessarily have seen Desmond arrive. I think that they saw the two men in the hatch, saw that they were taking seriously the 'you can't go outside without a hasmat suit on' thing, pushing the button and let them alone.

2. I think they were aware of him. It might actually be that they were aware of his boat too and the surprise registered by Benry was because they thought it was long gone and certainly not in the hands of the losties.

3. I don't think they know it exploded, remember the same thing happened before when the plane crashed and the hatch was still ok after that. Maybe they're just thinking the same thing happened, not that someone triggered the failsafe and the hatch destroyed itself. Now the losties have found the Pearl hatch maybe the others don't have a way to keep half an eye on them.

I'm not sure the Swan seems like a big prority to them. Also- I LIKE that Jack and Sun have become greyer- I love characters with shades like that, and I, too, think that I'll begin to root for the "Others" when I learn more about them...

Has anyone noticed the numbers yet this season? I don't remember seeing them in the last two episodes.

Good point about re-evaluating the Losties, but we kind of did that last season also.

The hotel room in last night episode was 1516.

The hotel room in last night episode was 1516.

I knew that I must have been missing something. Thanks!

Well it's not as though they can just stick cameras around the whole island. That wouldv'e given it away in season 1.

Has anyone noticed the numbers yet this season? I don't remember seeing them in the last two episodes.

Good point about re-evaluating the Losties, but we kind of did that last season also.

I haven't noticed any written numbers, but I did notice that when Juliet drops the muffins at the start of episode 1, the camera cuts to the side of the counter and four of the muffins roll past. Maybe that's a stretch.

3. I don't think they know it exploded, remember the same thing happened before when the plane crashed and the hatch was still ok after that.
But the same thing didn't happen actually. When Des forgot to push the botton, it seemed to create an earthquake type of reaction where Ben & the Others were. But it didn't create a megga loud sound and a strange violet sky (like when the hatch exploded.) I found it very interesting that Ben didn't know about the boat. I can only assume that he knew about Des, but like Juliet said in epi 2, thought anyone on that boat would just end up drifting in circles. Maybe they just didn't count on any of the Losties getting on that boat to search for Jack, Kate & Sawyer?

I knew that I must have been missing something. Thanks!

I stopped at that scene three times, and I swear it was 1514.

To add to this....If they didn't know about Desmond and his boat they clearly had little or no contact with Kelvin Inman either, since he DID know about the boat and in fact, was planning to "escape" with it.

I think THAT is pretty a interesting point to ponder over.

i used to think Kelvin was in with the Dharma lot in a big way, a plant. but this shows he was probably telling the truth to Desmond and what we saw in Desmonds flashback was how it really happened, that he was as much a dupe as Des.

I stopped at that scene three times, and I swear it was 1514.

Hmm. Interesting. Because the one thing I was thinking but haven't confirmed, is that maybe now that the hatch is blown up we won't see the numbers anymore. Not really a theory, just a thought I had after not seeing the numbers.

Also- I LIKE that Jack and Sun have become greyer- I love characters with shades like that, and I, too, think that I'll begin to root for the "Others" when I learn more about them...

I, personally, have not found anyting to like about the "Others" so far. I really do not see me (at this point in the season) rooting for them at all, especially after the way they treated Sawyer and Kate (and that includes the breakfast that Ben had with Kate). And I do not dislike Sun and Jack like it seems everyone else does (but I do have to admit that their characters may have gotten a little but "greyer", which I too like).

Season 3 is starting off great. But a couple of odd things are bothering me:

1- Does anyone else find it strange that the others DIDN'T know of Desmond's boat?
2- Does this mean they're NOT aware of Desmond either?
3- The Swan hatch has seemingly exploded/imploded but Ben and the other others don't seem a bit concerned about it . . .

By the way - are we gonna end up liking any of the Losties after Season 3? So far I hatedJack and Sun for what we've seen this season.

1. Knowing a lot is not the same as knowing everything and potential threats can still be missed or overlooked.

2. Yup, Desmond is unknown to them unless they observed him through the Pearl Station cameras or spotted him in the brief time he was tailing Kelvin.

3. I think Ben's building a science-minded society in Othersville. Thus the comment by the book clubbers that he would've hated to read Carrie... it's got too many science-fiction elements for him. He probably thinks (and has successfully convinced The Others) that the Button was all sci-fi mumbo-jumbo... but he plugged in the NUMBERS anyway because he didn't want to put his money where his mouth was. With the Crazy Sky they probably just thought that was another part of their sci-fi/DHARMA past they didn't have to worry about anymore.

And, yeah, The Others are being made to look like "the good guys" not for anything they did, but because the Losties aren't saints themselves.

I stopped at that scene three times, and I swear it was 1514.

it took me only one stop to see it was 1516

Because the one thing I was thinking but haven't confirmed, is that maybe now that the hatch is blown up we won't see the numbers anymore.
The numbers were important before the lostaways found the hatch; they will be important now that the hatch is no more. The importance of the numbers supercedes any one place where they show up! :grin:

The numbers are also a way that TPTB give us a wink and a nod. They'll continue to show up all over the place! So the hotel room number doesn't surprise me at all! :D

The numbers were important before the lostaways found the hatch; they will be important now that the hatch is no more. The importance of the numbers supercedes any one place where they show up! :grin:

The numbers are also a way that TPTB give us a wink and a nod. They'll continue to show up all over the place! So the hotel room number doesn't surprise me at all! :D

the first three numbers in the UK national lottery last night were The Numbers - i came in from the other room in case it was all six, but nah, not this time:biggrin:

I can't even get ONE number to match up with the numbers I use in the Lotto! :sob:

Did we all agree the hatch had indeed been blown up?

I mean, we haven't actually got any evidence yet that this is the case...

Uhhh we pretty much know that.

Have you actually watched Lost ever?

I had read Desmond was due back this season.....

The hatch blew up but Desmond survived and is now a full-time regular on the show. (His name's in the credits along with two more new full-timers we haven't met yet... and he's naked in the preview for this Wednesday's epi.)

The hatch set was already deconstructed to make room for building part of the Hydra set.

along with two more new full-timers we haven't met yet
Whose names are also in the opening credits. So I understand why you are calling them "full timers."
However, at this point Kiele and Rodrigo are signed as recurring characters, even though they are listed among the regular cast members. ABC wouldn't let TPTB go over 14 regulars, so these two can't be full-fledged (aka regular cast paycheck receivers) unless or until a couple of the regulars already signed are killed off or "go away" (a la Mike/Walt).
Thought you'd like to know that, Rabbit. :thumbsup:

So it's the Hydra station sets taking up the soundstage once occupied by the Swan station, eh? Makes sense--one station is switched out for another.

I guess the biggest "oddity" to me is Otherville itself--a village, I could see. But this place is more like a suburban housing "community." Very controlled, very within-certain-parameters. I suppose I expected something more science institute-oriented, or military/marshal law organized. This is a more pleasant facade. With some, if limited, "breathing room." Kind of a Stepford, without the robot wives. Hope we get to see more of Otherville proper, once the plot allows us to get beyond the Hydra/Dharma complex.

I do like the gazebo, cuz I like gazebos in general! :smile:

[quote=FertilityHollis;1209756]To add to this....If they didn't know about Desmond and his boat they clearly had little or no contact with Kelvin Inman either, since he DID know about the boat and in fact, was planning to "escape" with it.

I was under the impression that the hatch was being monitored via cameras...Thus how could Desmond or anything in that hatch be missed???

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I was under the impression that the hatch was being monitored via cameras...Thus how could Desmond or anything in that hatch be missed???

I think we're to assme no one was actually still keeping up the monitoring duties at the Pearl... it had been abandoned at some point which is why it looked squalid when Locke and Eko found it. So The Others may not know about Desmond.

To add to this....If they didn't know about Desmond and his boat they clearly had little or no contact with Kelvin Inman either, since he DID know about the boat and in fact, was planning to "escape" with it.

I was under the impression that the hatch was being monitored via cameras...Thus how could Desmond or anything in that hatch be missed???

I believe that Kelvin told Desmond something along the lines of "there was no boat" when he found Desmond and drug him back to the hatch. Even if the Others were monitoring what was going on in the hatch, they would have heard the same thing that Desmond did, that there was no boat. If they had no reason to think that Kelvin was planning something, they would have no reason to think he was lying, and therefore a lack of knowledge about the boat does not equal not knowing about Desmond.

Also, you have to understand that the only reason the Others and Ben only know about the Losties in the first place because of the very loud, shaky plane crash that occured during the all too interesting Carrie discussion. The Losties' arrival was very blatant and obvious for the Others to be aware of.

Desmond crashed on the island with a boat, not a plane meaning it was less noticeable, not to mention that he was confined for the majority of his stay to the Swan. Based on evidence from the Season 2 finale, the Swan hasn't been monitored for some time, so it's possible that The Others had not been voyeuring into the Swan. Not to mention, if my memory serves me correctly, Desmond's crash happened at night and during a storm. I may be wrong though.

Also, the image shots of Ben's little monitor room indicates that the only video he has is of the Hydra, cells, etc... but all areas of this new Others society. Nothing indicates there is active surveillence of the Swan.

Whose names are also in the opening credits. So I understand why you are calling them "full timers."
However, at this point Kiele and Rodrigo are signed as recurring characters, even though they are listed among the regular cast members. ABC wouldn't let TPTB go over 14 regulars, so these two can't be full-fledged (aka regular cast paycheck receivers) unless or until a couple of the regulars already signed are killed off or "go away" (a la Mike/Walt).
Thought you'd like to know that, Rabbit. :thumbsup:

So it's the Hydra station sets taking up the soundstage once occupied by the Swan station, eh? Makes sense--one station is switched out for another.

I guess the biggest "oddity" to me is Otherville itself--a village, I could see. But this place is more like a suburban housing "community." Very controlled, very within-certain-parameters. I suppose I expected something more science institute-oriented, or military/marshal law organized. This is a more pleasant facade. With some, if limited, "breathing room." Kind of a Stepford, without the robot wives. Hope we get to see more of Otherville proper, once the plot allows us to get beyond the Hydra/Dharma complex.

I do like the gazebo, cuz I like gazebos in general! :smile:


I thought stuff concerning things we haven't seen yet was supposed to have a spoiler tag. I haven't read any spoiler information since right before Shannon died. That show was totally ruined for me and at that point I promised myself that I wouldn't read the spoilers anymore. Please be kind and make sure that you hide any info like you revealed above into a spoiler tag. I'm actually kinda bummed out right now.:sadwalk:

they clearly had little or no contact with Kelvin Inman either, since he DID know about the boat and in fact, was planning to "escape" with it

Kelvin referred to "the hostiles" when Des was pleading to be let go outside. That was a major shift in perception for me :) because until then I was convinced that DHARMA = The Others. It seemed to imply that he was alone in the Swan.

I wouldn't assume that The Pearl was abandoned until John and Eko showed up. There was a quick shot of the table that had little piles of stuff on it; there was a cigarette that was still lit there. Whoever was there probably bugged out when s/he heard the hatch to it being opened.

Other numbers use in the first two eppies:

In Jack's car, his pager's clock had two of the numbers on it. 42 across on his crossword is "Necessary Evil", kind of an important concept on this show, eh? I watch the show a second time right after I watch it the first time (I DVR it, I never watch it "live") and I use that second pass to catch details. Whenever I see a building, I look for an address, whenever they're in a hotel, I look at the floor and room numbers etc.

if the swan mattered to the others, they would have gone down there long ago to make sure the button was pushed. that ben tried to convince locke not to push the button would seem to indicate that they knew of the hatch and just didnt care about it.

Season 3 is starting off great. But a couple of odd things are bothering me:

1- Does anyone else find it strange that the others DIDN'T know of Desmond's boat?
2- Does this mean they're NOT aware of Desmond either?
3- The Swan hatch has seemingly exploded/imploded but Ben and the other others don't seem a bit concerned about it . . .

By the way - are we gonna end up liking any of the Losties after Season 3? So far I hatedJack and Sun for what we've seen this season.

Here's what I think:

The Others are not what's left of the DHARMA Initiative. They were sent in after the DI was abandoned. I don't know why the DI was abandoned, but I believe it has something to do with the deeper mysteries of the Island. I believe the DI folks (at least some of them) are still there. I think they are responsible or the whispers and the dreams and visions people keep having.

I think the Others only have control of the northern part of the Island. They didn't control the Swan and probably not even the Pearl. So they knew little or nothing about Desmond and had never been anywhere near his boat.

I think Ben's not concerned about the hatch because that's exactly what he wanted. I think the implosion closed the door to the outside world, and he was caught while heading to the Losties camp to do exactly that. I think the only reason he pushed the button during Lockedown was because he didn't want to be in the hatch when it happened.

But I don't think the rest of the Others had any idea what the hatch did or why the sky went purple; they just know they've lost contact with the outside world.