I remember sometime last season when Mr. Echo and I think Charlie were in the jungle looking for Michael and Echo heard the others coming and they hid...As we saw the others walk by they were all in old ripped clothing and didn't have shoes. This season we have seen that they have a well developed communtity and the technology to contact with the outside world so why is it that they looked so poor and rugged before? Was it a different group of others?

I remember sometime last season when Mr. Echo and I think Charlie were in the jungle looking for Michael and Echo heard the others coming and they hid...As we saw the others walk by they were all in old ripped clothing and didn't have shoes. This season we have seen that they have a well developed communtity and the technology to contact with the outside world so why is it that they looked so poor and rugged before? Was it a different group of others?

They wear costumes to appear ragged. See: "Maternity Leave" last season.

Yes, they did wear costumes i guess to fool the survivors of 815 but I'm fairly certain that the producers confirmed that there were more than one group of others. Correct me if i'm wrong. I do think that Ethan and Goodwin etc did seem different from the barefoot people that Jin and Eko saw while hiding in that bush in the jungle early in season 2.

Alot of people speculate that there may be another group of Others...perhaps they are the hostiles that Kelvin refers to. We're just not sure at this point.

I think Ben believes whoever lands on the Island would be more willing to leave Othersville alone if they thought The Others were a pack of dangerous wild men instead of a bunch of schmucks who bake muffins and conduct book club meetings.

And I believe Damon confirmed on the first (video) podcast of Season 3 there are "factions" of Others... I take that to mean it's Ben's people vs. Juliet's people.

Yes, they did wear costumes i guess to fool the survivors of 815...

1. The producers did confirm that and you should put it in spoiler font.

2. I'm thinking that both groups live together and that Alex and the guy in the cage are the second group. They seem to be rebelling for some reason.

Oops! Sorry, i should have put my above comment in spoiler font. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll try to be more careful in the future.:redface:

2. I'm thinking that both groups live together and that Alex and the guy in the cage are the second group. They seem to be rebelling for some reason.
Those were my thoughts as well. And does it mean anything that Alex & Karl are both young (late teens) and the group trudging through the jungle had young looking legs and one of them was dragging a teddy bear?

Perhaps this is a rebel faction of young Others that went all "Lord of the Flies"??? Sawyer did say, "It's 'Lord of the Flies' time now." ;)

I think what ryans20 (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/member.php?u=20138) was pointing out is the fact that the people wandering barefoot in the woods that Eko and Jin saw are very different from Benry's group. 1.) They are strangely silent and walk as if there is something wrong with them and 2.) At least one of them is a child carrying a teddy bear. This leads me to believe that this is one of the kids (particularly the boy) from the tail section. If these are the people who wer kidnapped the big question is why are they wander through the woods and not in cages or captive somehow?

I think what ryans20 (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/member.php?u=20138) was pointing out is the fact that the people wandering barefoot in the woods that Eko and Jin saw are very different from Benry's group. 1.) They are strangely silent and walk as if there is something wrong with them and 2.) At least one of them is a child carrying a teddy bear. This leads me to believe that this is one of the kids (particularly the boy) from the tail section. If these are the people who wer kidnapped the big question is why are they wander through the woods and not in cages or captive somehow?

They were walking strangely and silently because they didn't want to be heard or leave footprints. I guess that's just how The Others walk when they explore the island... so they're not seen or heard.

All of the legs looked adult height, so I don't know what was up with the teddy bear. It might even be Ben's for all I know. :confused:

I believe it doesn't add up because we do not yet have all the pieces to the equation. Though some have been hinted at in spoilers.

such as another group of Others. Yes, Ben's group are others by definition, but I don't think they'll end up being the Others. I believe the Others have the children.

maybe theres one big group of others...

and within that group there are subdivisions...like ethan does medical research, goodwin's the sports/rec director....and theres a group that deals with the kids...

i just made up the roles but you get the idea

I agree with Aphex on this, there could easily be different groups of people within the larger group, each with their own agenda's.

They were walking strangely and silently because they didn't want to be heard or leave footprints. I guess that's just how The Others walk when they explore the island... so they're not seen or heard.

All of the legs looked adult height, so I don't know what was up with the teddy bear. It might even be Ben's for all I know. :confused:

Didn't the teddy belong to one of the kids from the tail section before they got kidnapped. I think I remember seeing it then.

Maybe the raggedy clothed barefoot kids are part of a separate group, which is why Benry's group are so keen to get hold of children e.g. Walt or Aaron.

There was maybe an element of the Pied Piper story, with the kids being led by someone or something that has influence over them.

I think that the "whispers" somehow come from these kids.

Remember just before J/K/S and Hurley were ambushed by Tom's group, when Michael set them up in last season's finale? There were some whispers then, just before 'our' group was attacked and tranquilised.

There are a couple of other times when you hear the whispers, and I can't stop thinking that this is the barefoot kids group trying to warn the Losties, or at least observing stuff that is happening on the island - maybe via remote viewing? Probably this theory will be blown out of the water -but it's there for discussion.

Maybe the island kids have something in common with Walt - in that they have some sort of psychic powers. Remember the episode with Rose where she's in Australia and is taken to see the Healer. His powers may have had something to do with his location - and its energy. Maybe the island has a subtly different sort of energy, but it somehow brings out the latent psychic abilities in children.

Who knows what Aaron will be able to do/say once he gets to talking!!

1. The producers did confirm that and you should put it in spoiler font.

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What am I missing?. How the heck is saying what happened in a show last season a spoiler? There was nothing to confirm either. It was right on the screen. Since when do you watch a TV show and have to check with the writer to confirm the obvious.

Hello new to the Fuselage, got the info from disc seven season two finally got around to watching it all the way through. To lost in Louisiana Alex may very well be Ross(the french lady's) daughter and since we know that they know the french lady is on the island and have not done anything to her in the past sixteen years (stole her baby) it leads us to wonder about the bad or good theory.
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I don't believe that there are two group of others. I do believe that there is some trust issues within the group of others. Particularly (sorry I am not familiar with all names of the others yet so please bare with me) Henry is most likely the leading figure, but as the last episode showed the lady that is knocks Jack out is also a dominate figure in the group of others and the lady Sun shot on the boat apparently had some issues with this other dominate figure before.

Here is something else that doesn't add up (at least to me). The French chick wanders around the island for what 16 years, and somehow she misses a whole neighborhood-esque area of the island that her daughter lives in? How is that possible? Yes the Others are cunning at hinding and all, but how did they hide a whole suberbia?

I agree with Aphex on this, there could easily be different groups of people within the larger group, each with their own agenda's.

i.e different science teams conducting their own experiments with their own interns (per se') not necesasarily against each other more like a safe distence from each other so as to not interfere with each others tasks. They are brutal for scientists though.
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Here is something else that doesn't add up (at least to me). The French chick wanders around the island for what 16 years, and somehow she misses a whole neighborhood-esque area of the island that her daughter lives in? How is that possible? Yes the Others are cunning at hinding and all, but how did they hide a whole suberbia?

And after finally finding and capturing one she doesn't even ask once about her daughters wherabouts? just hands him over and walks away. a truely dedicated mother even after 16 years of going crazy would have beat the spit out of the first (again in 16yrs) other she finnaly managed to capture. My momma would have n e way, but she was irish n hot headed not french.;)

What am I missing?.

What you're missing is the post that I was replying to which said the producers confirmed that there were more than one group of others.

That's a spoiler as it was only speculated before the confirmation by the producers.

They were walking strangely and silently because they didn't want to be heard or leave footprints. I guess that's just how The Others walk when they explore the island... so they're not seen or heard.

All of the legs looked adult height, so I don't know what was up with the teddy bear. It might even be Ben's for all I know. :confused:Ha ha, that's almost cute--big bad Benry Gale with his teddy bear. That might almost make me like him. Almost.

Anywho, as for the kids, do you suppose they only take kids born on the island? Think of Alex and Aaron (who they tried to take). And that may be why they hung Desmond out to dry.

Ha ha, that's almost cute--big bad Benry Gale with his teddy bear. That might almost make me like him. Almost.

Anywho, as for the kids, do you suppose they only take kids born on the island? Think of Alex and Aaron (who they tried to take). And that may be why they hung Desmond out to dry.

Well, the Tailies had kids and they were all taken and so was Walt, so I guess they just want kids in general.

But... Alex has joined The Others, so maybe the kids born on the island they want to join them, but they want all children to just experiment on them.

Juliet did say there were some of us (others) who wanted a change. And that Ben was mad. Maybe he banished the ragged others from the main camp..and those that want to rebel against him want to reunite with the ragged others

Maybe the ragged Others wandering in the woods are a different group that have been affected by the sickness that Rousseau spoke of, while Ben and company probably take injections to keep themselves from getting the sickness.

We do know, though, that even Ben's Others group has dressed ragged before. So the ragged bunch we've seen wandering in the woods could be part of the same group and they were just wearing "costumes" in case they were spotted by any Losties. Evidence of this idea is that Zeke is clean shaven now and also while in the medical hatch with Claire, but he was bearded and ragged anytime he interacted with Losties in the past.

I'm more inclined to think the they ragged bunch are a different group and the main Others try to look like them for some reason when they walk around on the island. But then I have to wonder why Ben wasn't in ragged costume when he was snatched up by Rousseau. Always more questions! ;)

From what i recall the little boy from the tallies that was obducted had the teddy bear.

... a bunch of schmucks who bake muffins and conduct book club meetings.

Well, all we've seen of the Others' muffin-baking, is evidence of "can't bake." Charred rocks.

Hardly threatening.

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On second thought, I will concede that the muffins may have been stored and chipped into chunks for Tom to use in his slingshot. So, in that case, the baking effort could be seen as threatening.

did any of you stop a second to consider that this is all still a big psychological experiment>>>???

They "take" children and raise them from birth on the island with no interferance from the outside world, trying to extrapolate psi-abilities that the children may already have, or expand their fertile ypund brains to exacerbate any psi- ability that may be dormant, or just infuse them with psi-abilities simply by being on the island?

perhaps the "benry" is one of those children that didn't have any abilities, and was stationed at the "surveilence" part of the experiment, watching for intruders... defending the sanctity of the experiment... or somethinig


in the end -- its all an experiment gone horribly wrong...
... or horribly right...
the hanso foundation HAD to find remote island to put all this together... and make it "real"
(could you imagine the logistics of putting something like this on U.S. soil in the middle of nowhere?)

the dharma initiative is probably a gov't contractor trying to find ways to make "super" soldiers or spies or something ...

the rest of the stuff is just all happy coincidence

theres no special reason why anyone was "sent" to the island -- other than walt and the other kids that is...

the people killed(boone, eko, shannon, etc) are all just collateral damage serving the greater good...

now if only all the rest of the losties and tailies and whatnot would just get eaten by the polar bears... or sharks... or wild bunnies... dharma could just continue with this awesome experiment!

think of the money and manpower its costing to take care of them! sheesh!

Just to add some clarification, the origin of the DHARMA Initiative and its connection to Alvar Haso were explained in the Lost Experience online game this past summer. You can check out the All-DHARMA orientation video here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PPCCcXarkc).

And my feeling is the Others dressed as wild men because they know that's more fearsome than the truth, that they're a bunch of ex-scientists who for the most part don't know how to handle guns and prefer baking and book clubs. The moment the Losties didn't fear them, the Others think they'd raid Othersville and ruin their isolationist cult community.

I think the tiptoing feet belonged to the Tailies who'd been abducted on Day 9, including Zack and Emma. They were being trained and conditioned to get accustomed to the terrain.

I think Zack was dragging his own teddy bear behind him. The Others probably let Zack keep his teddy bear with him so he would cooperate.

Hey, new member here, just wanted to say i think that the weird silent others that Eko and Jin saw, i believe have been infected by a virus that must have destroyed the whole Hans Project thing, thats why the hatch stations are left empty, my theory can be backed up by the hatch door saying containment and having the full body protection clothing, also they have vacinations dropped on them like the ones Charlie gave to Claire, also the ones Claire got from the others when she was in the medical hatch. Also Rouseu also says her people from her boat got 'sick' hinting a virus. the virus others have not been seen as normal like they dont talk and their voices are white noise and whispers. unlike all the other times we've seen the others, on the boat getting Walt or as Goodwin or Ethan have spoken. but there is one flaw to my theory, the kids were taken by Goodwins others because he was'nt scared but one of the kids taken with the teddy is a wierd other, hmm how do you think thats happend? Anyway sorry for the long essay i thought i'd share my theories
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Hey, new member here, just wanted to say i think that the weird silent others that Eko and Jin saw, i believe have been infected by a virus that must have destroyed the whole Hans Project thing, thats why the hatch stations are left empty, my theory can be backed up by the hatch door saying containment and having the full body protection clothing, also they have vaccinations dropped on them like the ones Charlie gave to Claire, also the ones Claire got from the others when she was in the medical hatch. Also Rouseu also says her people from her boat got 'sick' hinting a virus. the virus others have not been seen as normal like they don't talk and their voices are white noise and whispers. unlike all the other times we've seen the others, on the boat getting Walt or as Goodwin or Ethan have spoken. but there is one flaw to my theory, the kids were taken by Goodwin's others because he wasn't scared but one of the kids taken with the teddy is a weird other, hmmm how do you think that happens? Anyway sorry for the long essay i thought id share my theories