Was that supposed to be heard ....I doubt it

I think the implosion in the hatch has left them without any connection to the outside world. Now the other are just as Lost as the Losties.

We've blind?? What are comms. communications?

Communication with the main island.

I get the feeling that even the others were hurt after the crash

Sorry, when was this said? Was this over the intercom or was this right when Sawyer was waking up the exam table? I heard "2 days ago the sky was purple" or something like that. I'll have to rewatch.

It was said with the purple sky comment.

I heard that too . . . "After the sky went purple, comm. went down, can't get a call out" (I wrote it down as quickly as I could, but I think it's close). I think our 'Others' are in trouble . . .

It certainly appeared that even if Ben knows what happened when the hatch imploded, the other Others were confused --- if they knew about the EMP or the hatch, they might not have referred to it as "the sky turning purple."

Hm, could be that they were referring to the other island. Would that mean they have people stationed over there? Seems like they all left suburbia for Alcatraz.

I thought they meant between each other in their station(s). Could be why Jack is hearing intermittent static

This may also explain why Ben was caught off-guard about the Losties having a boat.

This may also explain why Ben was caught off-guard about the Losties having a boat.

That part has never made sense to me. Desmond had been in the hatch pushing that button for years. All that time, his sailboat was harbored somewhere (cove, bay, somtething like that) and the Others never saw it? That makes me think that they don't really have as much control or ownership over the island as they like to think.

Anyway, it seemed pretty obvious to me that the Others didn't know what caused the purple sky, so they aren't likely to know about the fate of the Swan Station. The comment about the coms being/being blind out is further proof that they do indeed have current (live) contact with the outside world.

I had the impression it was communication with the outsid world, because in TGB Colleen said that Ryan radioed in and was tracking Sayid, so they were getting communicatino from the island at that point.

Yeah, I've been considering this for a while. No doubt the Others did HAVE communication with the outside world. But for them to maintain it really takes the danger out of being on this island. I knew that, at some point, they would have to lose their connection. It seems to make logical sense that turning the key caused problems the Others were not aware of. They didn't understand the sky turning purple and now their "comm" is down, which my guess means their connection to the outside world is killed.

Interesting....the Others have now lost their contact with the outside world.

I thought they meant between each other in their station(s). Could be why Jack is hearing intermittent static

I'm leaning towards them have trouble communicating between themselves

Interesting....the Others have now lost their contact with the outside world.

Then what is playing on Jack's TV is that a tape or connection to the outside world?

I'm leaning towards them have trouble communicating between themselves



Then what is playing on Jack's TV is that a tape or connection to the outside world?

Probably a tape, because the world series would have had to be on tape also. Unless they turned on Cartoon Network for him. :biggrin:

Well it would seem that the hatch incident was like an EMP, which would have fried most anything with an electrical circuit, including communication equipment.

However, if that holds true, how was their TV/VCR working?

Back to the Losties and their boat, wasn't Desmond sailing around for weeks around the island? How come he never saw the Others compound?

Probably a tape, because the world series would have had to be on tape also. Unless they turned on Cartoon Network for him. :biggrin:

True....all I can say is that it is cruel and unusual punishment :biggrin:

I'm leaning towards them have trouble communicating between themselves

Weren't they using their walkie talkies to call each other about the medical emergency?

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Back to the Losties and their boat, wasn't Desmond sailing around for weeks around the island? How come he never saw the Others compound?

I can believe he never saw the compound, I can't believe he didn't see there were two islands. However, note that Desmond never acted right since he returned.

Don

On another thread I read that one of the map renderings of the island (Rousseau's?) showed two islands. Can anyone confirm? Maybe they just thought they were a couple of islands close by, but were useless in the grand scheme of finding the rest of the world.

I can believe he never saw the compound, I can't believe he didn't see there were too islands. However, note that Desmond never acted right since he returned.

Don

Right, he showed back up he was drunk and discouraged that all he saw was water, no matter which direction he sailed in. Given the proximity of this other island, that makes no sense.

Unless the whole "thats your island and this is ours" explanation is yet another con they are pulling on Sawyer...

Since this is the first time the hatches overide system things been used, they probably don't know or understand what really happend. I think once they figure out what did happen maybe hopefully we'll get a friggin answer as to what it really means in the grand scheme of things? You can argue it may have been used before but we know its blown up or imploded and non exsistant...they haven't had to deal with 'purple' sky before so they're clueless now....since they've probably lost visual communication with the island...

I had the impression it was communication with the outsid world, because in TGB Colleen said that Ryan radioed in and was tracking Sayid, so they were getting communicatino from the island at that point.

I believe they're talking about the Landline communication. Whether from a phone type line or a network connection to the other surviving stations.

I'd believe the netowrk thing first only because of where I work and what I do there. When those old stations and posts were setup, the only way to wire them all together was through a series connection. Which is basically just a big ole loop. If one of the stations went down (Imploding Swan hatch), then the loop is broken and hence no more communication.

when exactly was this said? i dont recall hearing it

should the correct statement be, "We've been DEAF and MUTE two days, the comms are down" ??? or did their webcam break?

Some things are starting to make sense to me.

I never understood why Ben tried to get Locke to stop pushing the button but still pushed it himself. Now I get it.

Something about the Swan hatch was propping open a connection to the outside world. Ben knew that if the button wasn't pushed that opening to the outside would be closed, but the rest of the Others didn't. That's because most of the Others are DHARMA leftovers, but Ben predates them on the Island and knows more about it than they do.

Ben was going to go get Locke (or kill him) so that the button wouldn't be pushed any more. Any contact with the outside is a threat to his control of the Others and the Island. But he didn't want to be inside the hatch when it happened. And he doesn't want the Others to know what he did or why. That explains why he went himself.

That leaves open the question of whether Michael was able to escape with Walt before the opening was closed. But it would mean that Ben was lying his *** off about being able to take Jack home.

And it means that the Others are going to be pissed as hell when they find out that Ben stranded them there on purpose.

When exactly was this said, I also didn't heard the comment about the sky turning people, so please tell me.

when exactly was this said? i dont recall hearing it

Right after Sawyer woke up the first time on the operating table...

"The sky was all purple there were people running everywhere."

- Prince, "1999"

Ah I saw + heard it, I believe he said coms, as in computers.

Ah I saw + heard it, I believe he said coms, as in computers.


No, "comms" means communications. Very common term. Nobody calls computers "coms". Comps, pooters, machines, boxes... sure.

Hm, could be that they were referring to the other island. Would that mean they have people stationed over there? Seems like they all left suburbia for Alcatraz.

I thought they meant between each other in their station(s). Could be why Jack is hearing intermittent static

Hey that's a good thought. I had thought Tom was talking about communicating with the outside world but, communicating between the islands or stations makes alot of sense.

Why not? They are Others, haven't been off the island(supposedly) for atleast 40 years. But you're probably right. I'm not that good with common terms as I'm Dutch.

Why not? They are Others, haven't been off the island(supposedly) for atleast 40 years. But you're probably right. I'm not that good with common terms as I'm Dutch.


:roflmao: You're precious.

should the correct statement be, "We've been DEAF and MUTE two days, the comms are down" ??? or did their webcam break?

I've heard people in the military use the term "flying blind" to refer to not having good instrumental contact.

Don

Some things are starting to make sense to me.

I never understood why Ben tried to get Locke to stop pushing the button but still pushed it himself. Now I get it.

Something about the Swan hatch was propping open a connection to the outside world. Ben knew that if the button wasn't pushed that opening to the outside would be closed, but the rest of the Others didn't. That's because most of the Others are DHARMA leftovers, but Ben predates them on the Island and knows more about it than they do.

Ben was going to go get Locke (or kill him) so that the button wouldn't be pushed any more. Any contact with the outside is a threat to his control of the Others and the Island. But he didn't want to be inside the hatch when it happened. And he doesn't want the Others to know what he did or why. That explains why he went himself.

That leaves open the question of whether Michael was able to escape with Walt before the opening was closed. But it would mean that Ben was lying his *** off about being able to take Jack home.

And it means that the Others are going to be pissed as hell when they find out that Ben stranded them there on purpose.

Those are really good points.

The hatch map had some things marked CV1 and CV2 near the swan. Could those be the Comm's that blew?

i have a ps2 game called project snowblind and its about a eperimental surgery in war to fit soldiers with weapons and make them more machine a real shoot em up any way it has a defintion for snow blind as
' a complete system shutdown of all internall electrical and bio-mechianical systems, created by an emp blast or similar electrical disturbance in the local vivcinty'

so by blind they proably mean that they're defensies are down or somthing but i don't think we can say the hatch caused an emp blast otherwise sawyers pacemaker would have been affected right?

what if by "blind" they meant that smokey is dead and by "deaf" their system of whispers is offline... ?

what if by "blind" they meant that smokey is dead and by "deaf" their system of whispers is offline... ?

That's an interesting thought. Hmmm.....

what if by "blind" they meant that smokey is dead and by "deaf" their system of whispers is offline... ?

No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek2:

Ahem. Sorry. Just have a vested interest in the Whispers.

Actually, that would be really interesting if the Whispers were their communications device with the outside world... I'm going to cross-post you in the Whispers thread. Thanks!

Well it would seem that the hatch incident was like an EMP, which would have fried most anything with an electrical circuit, including communication equipment.

However, if that holds true, how was their TV/VCR working?

Back to the Losties and their boat, wasn't Desmond sailing around for weeks around the island? How come he never saw the Others compound?

EMP only fries electronics that are turned on. If the TV/VCR were turned off they would be O.K. I think Ben was pissed off when the hatch imploded. If you remember at the end os S2, on the dock he had this look like he was pissed. All the others immediatly covered thier ears while Ben stooded motionless looking at the sky.

EMP only fries electronics that are turned on. If the TV/VCR were turned off they would be O.K. I think Ben was pissed off when the hatch imploded. If you remember at the end os S2, on the dock he had this look like he was pissed. All the others immediatly covered thier ears while Ben stooded motionless looking at the sky.

I don't believe that the hatch produced a EMP...., I believe the Com Lines (Voice/Computer) are down to all the other stations. Probably just because the Swan Station was destroyed.

I believe it was mentioned in a TV Guide interview after the season 2 Finale,.. Michael said they filmed that sequence a couple different ways. But the they had told him he was, happy. That makes me wonder if Ben is not being completely honest with everyone, including his on staff.

Weren't they using their walkie talkies to call each other about the medical emergency?

Yes they were and their monitoring equipment (of the cages) is still working, so maybe its communication with the outside world thats down and/or communication with the losties island :shrug:

I don't believe that the hatch produced a EMP...., I believe the Com Lines (Voice/Computer) are down to all the other stations. Probably just because the Swan Station was destroyed.


At the end of season 2 at the arctic station, didn't they detect some kind of EMP event? I might be mistaken.


EMP only fries electronics that are turned on. If the TV/VCR were turned off they would be O.K.

From Wikipedia:
...Any unprotected electrical equipment — and anything connected to electrical cables, which act as giant lightning rods or antennas — will be affected by the pulse. Older, vacuum tube (valve) based equipment is much less vulnerable to EMP (Link) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse)

So I guess its possible that the TV setup and other devices kept in the underwater lab may have been protected, however turning off devices will not save them from an EMP. The last episode of Jericho (for those that watch it) actually went into this a bit as well.

I have a question about the 'two islands'... it could be the comm's are between the islands, but if you look at this pic...
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1163&pos=89

It is not clear if there are two islands or not.

Also, on the map it did state that the dharma network was down.

At the end of season 2 at the arctic station, didn't they detect some kind of EMP event? I might be mistaken.



A Electromagnetic Anomaly was detected. They never said EMP.

I do know networks, the old systems on the island had to be ran on a serial connection. Since the Swan Station was in the same loop. It's destruction would cripple that connection. It shouldn't interfere with anything at Hydra, just to the other stations. I'm assuming there link to the outside world is completely different, due to the isolation of the island....

We had a similar discussion last season, about the significance of the blast doors in "Lockedown" ...and since the Hatch is no more...there seemed no significance at all.

I was thinking, the communication is down, right? Is this because when the EMF (or incident for lack of a better term) timed out and exploded (causing the purple sky) could it have collapsed the antenna? If so, it is because the tower was magnetic or metal. This made me think some more, the plane was or is made of mostly aluminum or other composite materialsnon magnetic, how was it truly brought down?

In addition why would the cables found by Sayid not be ripped out of the ocean if the EMF (or incident for lack of a better term) was so strong? I am sure thatthe underwater cable is what connected the two islands or perhaps the islands to the outside world.

What are your thoughts on this lil idea?

In addition why would the cables found by Sayid not be ripped out of the ocean if the EMF (or incident for lack of a better term) was so strong? I am sure that the underwater cable is what connected the two islands or perhaps the islands to the outside world.

What are your thoughts on this lil idea?


Sayid didn't see the other island when he was standing on the cable beach. Jack's piece of Hydra Station is on Others Island, which is not visible from Sayid's Beach.
The Tailies didn't see the other island from their beach - but their site is visible from Othertown. So Othertown and Other Island/Hydra Station are two different places.
Sun, Jin, Sayid didn't see the other island when they sailed halfway around it.
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;Desmond didn't see the other island when he sailed away - or didn't mention it,
;The other island wasn't visible from Pala Ferry.
The other island wasn't visible from Danielle's Black Smoke Beach.

W H E R E I S T H E OTHER ISLAND ???

Do we know where on the map the Hydra station is? If we do, how many cables are connected to Hydra?

My guess is that the cable from Hydra ran via the Swan.

In addition why would the cables found by Sayid not be ripped out of the ocean if the EMF (or incident for lack of a better term) was so strong?

Cable cores are usually made of copper or aluminum, non magnetic.

I think they can't see or communicate with one-eye

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1191&pos=22

nice pic of one eye, where was that?
1) they could have lost com with the hatch (there were cameras in there ben used)

2) they lost contact with the hatches on the losties island due to the loop being broken at the swan

i am leaning towards 2

nice pic of one eye, where was that?

1) they could have lost com with the hatch (there were cameras in there ben used)

2) they lost contact with the hatches on the losties island due to the loop being broken at the swan

i am leaning towards 2

Me too....., Has to be #2.

I think we should start calling the one eyed guy "Patches" until we get an official name. He's pretty creepy looking so this new name will make him more friendly and accessable :)

On topic. Another idea, since the others didn't seem too interested in the Swan or what was going on, I was thinking perhaps the interference and "Comms are down" may have come from outside. The end of Season 2 we see that someone had a survailance (sp) system set up and when the hatch blew, they got a glimpse of where it was coming from.

It is possible that they jammed the frequencies from outside now that they knew where to look no? I don't really believe it, I'm pretty sure the Swan and the electromagnetic doohickey was the reason for the other's blindness, but an outside influence is an interesting idea none the less.

I think there are essentially two theories in this thread, correct me if I am wrong here:

1.) Communication is down between "Alcatraz" island and the main island

2.) Communication is down between the Others and the outside world

Given the way it was stressed when we heard it, I am leaning more towards #2. I don't see them communicating with the main island as too essential at this point. If they were in constant communication with the main island, why were they so surprised about Desmond's boat?

I think they would be more panicked in the second scenario, much like the way they acted when the woman was shot.

The following quote is not official, just what it sounded like to me:

Zeke said "..our comms are down. I can't get them up again." I guess this means Zeke is their version of Sayid :)

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Understood, sorry, I figured since it was on 30 secconds after the episode it was fair game.

i would say that the anomoly in the season 2 finale has to be what caused the communication problems. but what exactly is the problem? the bigger problem for them would be loss of communication with the outside world

The blast door map states that on three occasions in the past there was a failure of the Dharmatel Intranet. Perhaps the Others communication problems are related to this.

Maybe no one spotted the Other's Island because the view was blocked. A hologram projection that may have been turned off when the hatch blew up. When Sawyer was shown the main island, it seemed very close. Ben was certainly concerned about someone finding them - something that may not have worried them before the explosion.

My thinking was that some sort of psychic communication was down. But failing that I would go with the communication to the other island,

The blast door map states that on three occasions in the past there was a failure of the Dharmatel Intranet. Perhaps the Others communication problems are related to this.

I immediately thought of dharmatel when they said this. But this means that the remote viewing station (and probably the pearl) are not part of dharmatel - benry is still using it.

Maybe no one spotted the Other's Island because the view was blocked. A hologram projection that may have been turned off when the hatch blew up. When Sawyer was shown the main island, it seemed very close. Ben was certainly concerned about someone finding them - something that may not have worried them before the explosion.

This is what I thought as well.
Maybe it also shielded both islands from being seen by outsiders as well

I think there are essentially two theories in this thread, correct me if I am wrong here:

1.) Communication is down between "Alcatraz" island and the main island

2.) Communication is down between the Others and the outside world

Given the way it was stressed when we heard it, I am leaning more towards #2. I don't see them communicating with the main island as too essential at this point. If they were in constant communication with the main island, why were they so surprised about Desmond's boat?

I think they would be more panicked in the second scenario, much like the way they acted when the woman was shot.


I agree with Enos. The second scenario seems to be the more alarming problem. Colleen knew that Sayid had found the "false" village so they can always get info by sending out spies to the Lostie's island.

If they lose contact with the outside world then they won't know if the Red Sox win again! :)

I think there are essentially two theories in this thread, correct me if I am wrong here:

1.) Communication is down between "Alcatraz" island and the main island

2.) Communication is down between the Others and the outside world

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Hey guys

That may be the theories here.....but the direct context in the episode was they didnt have communication with the eachother. Thats what "comms are down" means. Thats not what I *think it means...thats *what it means in context of the scene. Why were they surprised and not prepared for a gunshot victim? Comms are down.

Of course, in a larger context it means that ALL comms are down because that is exactly what he said "Our comms are all down -- I can't get them back up again". So not only could they not talk to the sub....they cannot talk to any other others around the island. The only thing else I can say about the phrase is it is usually used in the Military for local radio communications

I dont know if blind means some cameras are not working either..but they did show some working in the episode. All of this is obviously due to the implosion event and the wording suggests that Tom has no idea what happened..but it seems Ben does.

BTW..the defribulator being broken, in the context of juliets scene, seems more like disrepair than connected to the event.

I agree i think the answer is 1 and 2, ALL comms are down, both with each other and with the outside world.

For all we know the Hatch-skyeffect could have wipedout mankind.


On another note, if Ben did not want the hatch to implode why did he lie to Loche about not pressing the key.

Was it part of a plan to escape? Did he think they would have to let him out if things started going nuclear?

If so, it sounds like he did not really know what the swan was all about.


-Exodus

All that time, his sailboat was harbored somewhere (cove, bay, somtething like that) and the Others never saw it?

Kelvin was working on repairing it in secret...when The Others heard Desmond telling Kelvin about his boat, they probably just assumed it had submerged when Desmond washed up onshore.

Do you think that after the hatch imploded it also caused all avatars to disapear here on the Fuselage?