Did he know it was gonna happen or is it just good timing, was he trying to get the flux capacitor fluxing or is he just aware of the island schedule?

That was my favorite part of the episode! What was that thing? Does this mean that Desmond knew it would rain, and if he did then what was the contraption? .. or did he make it rain? That was a crazy scene. It seems like the golf club made the lightning hit it.. but why did he do it? So many questions!

Haha and Charlie looked all scared and a bit guilty that he didn't let Desmond fix the roof.

it was probably so the lightning wouldnt hit the roof but "you might want to wait a minute" thats some freaky locke stuff there

I think he knew it was going to happen the same way he knew about Locke's speech. I'm wondering if this ability of his is because of the hatch implosion or if he had the ability before... he didn't seem freaked out about knowing the future. I would.

Or maybe he saw Charlie's future the same way he saw Locke's speech - because they're all connected after the hatch incident.

Either way, he saved the life of Aaron, Claire and Charlie. He's my hero.

it was probably so the lightning wouldnt hit the roof but "you might want to wait a minute" thats some freaky locke stuff there

Ever since the beginning of Lost.. I've thought that maybe the weather could be controlled. Like if they weren't really on an island.. but in a huge biodome or something. I know it sounds lame.. but I still want it to be able to rain, or the sun to shine when a lever is pulled or something. So does Desmond know how to control the weather, or did he just know it would rain?

Forget about Team Locke & Eko. It's team Desmond & Locke from now on.

Do we think that the islands anomoly kept the lightning away. Desmond just testing the island?

Ohh that makes sense. If Desmond knew that it would rain and lightning would strike.. yes that makes much more sense. Hahaha I was so confused. So he was just trying to protect Aaron and Claire.

C'mon guys. Here is what happened.

Desmond knew lightening would hit Claire's little hut thing. He asked her to move down the beach. She said no. Charlie came over and made (OMGNOWAY) a snarky remark. Desmond figured "fine".

Then he built a lightening rod right next to her hut so the lightening wouldnt hit it, but the rod next to it.

He can see the future(as displayed last week), he knew the lightening was going to strike, so he bult a rod to draw it away from Calire's hut and the baby.

That's what happened.

I belive that he a sixth sense thingy..And I belive that he knew that was gonna happen.. And I think he got it from the implosion!

I think he got a glimpse of the future when the hatch went boom.

I think Sier is completly right on this.

Sometimes I dont understand you guys

Always look at the beginning for the answers to end action.

He asked to Claire to leave because he **saw her roof get hit by lighting--she wouldnt leave so he built a lightening rod next to the hut so it would strike the rod instead.

oops..one guy got it

I'm so glad that someone else thought of Back to the Future.

It looks like Desmond's little gift from the island may come in handy for our Losties. I wonder who will be first to figure it out and try to put it to use.

C'mon guys. Here is what happened.

Desmond knew lightening would hit Claire's little hut thing. He asked her to move down the beach. She said no. Charlie came over and made (OMGNOWAY) a snarky remark. Desmond figured "fine".

Then he built a lightening rod right next to her hut so the lightening wouldnt hit it, but the rod next to it.

He can see the future(as displayed last week), he knew the lightening was going to strike, so he bult a rod to draw it away from Calire's hut and the baby.

That's what happened.

Exactly.

Now, if Desmond doesn't offer Claire a wildly shaped piece of glass art in the next eppy I will be sorely disappointed that the writers missed that opportunity. :)

I'm so glad that someone else thought of Back to the Future.

Me too. BTTF is the best.

Sometimes I dont understand you guys

Always look at the beginning for the answers to end action.

He asked to Claire to leave because he **saw her roof get hit by lighting--she wouldnt leave so he built a lightening rod next to the hut so it would strike the rod instead.

oops..one guy got it
That about sums it all up. as I've said in another post, desmond's precognition abilities are not new. He's displayed them in the show before.
1. His cave mural done in the hatch before he even met the Losties
2. His conversation with Jack at the stadium regarding Sara's miracle.
3. His converstion with the prison guard during his release. Desmond: "Its the last book I'll read before I die brother." Guard: "Thats good, if you know when you're going to die."
4. Telling Hurley in advance about Locke's speech on Jack, Sawyer and Kate's rescue.
5. Now constructing the make-shift rod that saves Claire, Aaron and Charlie's life.

That about sums it all up. as I've said in another post, desmond's precognition abilities are not new. He's displayed them in the show before.
1. His cave mural done in the hatch before he even met the Losties
2. His conversation with Jack at the stadium regarding Sara's miracle.
3. His converstion with the prison guard during his release. Desmond: "Its the last book I'll read before I die brother." Guard: "Thats good, if you know when you're going to die."
4. Telling Hurley in advance about Jack's speech on Jack, Sawyer and Kate's rescue.
5. Now constructing the make-shift rod that saves Claire, Aaron and Charlie's life.

Very true, but it still begs the question, when does someone else figure it out and attempt to use it to the Losties advantage against the others?

Exactly.

Now, if Desmond doesn't offer Claire a wildly shaped piece of glass art in the next eppy I will be sorely disappointed that the writers missed that opportunity. :)

AhHaha, agree !

I loved Desmond in this episode! I like the idea that he had these abilities all along. Maybe now they are amplified.

I'm excited to see what else he has in store for us!

Oooh, thanks sier. :biggrin: I have no idea why I didn't figure that out. Desmond is sooo smaht!

Yes, sier got it right. I'm not sure what the confusion is all about, actually. Not to be snarky. I just thought it was really clear what happened.

He knew it would rain. He deflected the lightening.

He's pulling a major Locke. So now does he have the same abilities as Locke? Are his abilities stronger than Locke's? And did he have these abilities before the hatch implosion?

I thought Desmond was awesome in this episode. The whole thing was great. Except for Paulo. I hate him.

He is missing a day (Desmond.) So who knoes what he can see. He may be livingd minutes ahead or hours ahead of the rest.

Something important here in all of this - Desmond can not only see the future, he has the power to change it. That means that the future he see's is not a certainty, just what is supposed to happen. We've all seen what happens when you muck with the future/destiny/etc. I'm just waiting for Frank the Bunny to tell Desmond how long it will be until the world ends.

Thanks for the explanation, guys, about what actually happened in that scene. I really didn't get it 100% while watching!

This idea of Desmond knowing the future is quite interesting.....

Something important here in all of this - Desmond can not only see the future, he has the power to change it. That means that the future he see's is not a certainty, just what is supposed to happen. We've all seen what happens when you muck with the future/destiny/etc. I'm just waiting for Frank the Bunny to tell Desmond how long it will be until the world ends.

I agree. This is why I'm always sketchy about time travel plots in stories (Desmond "bending time" seemed a popular theory last week!) - if one can change the future (or the past?!), then this sets up a world in which alternate realities exist. @_____@ Oh Lost, you're already confusing enough as it is!

I thought Desmond was awesome in this episode. The whole thing was great. Except for Paulo. I hate him.
I second this, Laura! :biggrin:

He knows. I wasn't sure if he knew. But he does. I'm not as convinced that he had this ability to **see** a short bit ahead in the future before the failsafe key got turned. I do agree that SOMETHING happened to all three of these men during that "missing day" after the EMT light/noise show.

But Desmond's smart enough to know he can't out-and-out TELL them about what he "sees." It sounds as crazy to him as it would have to them! So he improvised. Of course, now Charlie, Claire, and Hurley are sensing that something's up here. But will they pursue it? Will ANYONE pursue it? That remains to be seen.

Yes, sier got it right. I'm not sure what the confusion is all about, actually. Not to be snarky. I just thought it was really clear what happened.

He knew it would rain. He deflected the lightening.

He's pulling a major Locke. So now does he have the same abilities as Locke? Are his abilities stronger than Locke's? And did he have these abilities before the hatch implosion?

I thought Desmond was awesome in this episode. The whole thing was great. Except for Paulo. I hate him.

Yeah, I'd like to know if Desmond did have the abilities pre-implosion as well, there's evidence for it. And yeah I hate Paulo too!

The hulk comment by hurley and Desmonds bewildered looks when he realized he could Now see the future shows he gained the powers during the explosion. There are too many things he would have prevented up to the point before the explosion, including the explosion itself if he had psychic powers.

this may be a bit out there, but....

perhaps desmond has a tumour as well - something to do with the electromagnetic exposure. or just being on the island period. if it's pushing against a section of his brain or enlarging a section of his brain it may be giving him some clairvoyant abilities...just a thought!

Like someone else suggested, maybe he had the ability to see the future before but the hatch incident enhanced this ability.

Maybe the hatch implosion increased Locke, Eko, (and Charlie?) latent sixth sense.

I was trying to interpret Charlie's look at the end. Do you think he knows what Desmond did?

And the way Desmond was looking at Claire and Aaron in the beginning. Notice how the camera panned around him in a circle just like it's done with Locke when we don't know what he's thinking. I was wondering if they were sowing the seeds of that love triangle but now I'm not so sure.

I was trying to interpret Charlie's look at the end. Do you think he knows what Desmond did? I think he totally does. Claire was all confused but Charlie was looking directly at Desmond. He *so* knows what Desmond did.

And the way Desmond was looking at Claire and Aaron in the beginning. Notice how the camera panned around him in a circle just like it's done with Locke when we don't know what he's thinking. I was wondering if they were sowing the seeds of that love triangle but now I'm not so sure. If he knew Claire was going to die soon, I think it explained the weird interest in her at the beginning. But of course I'm expecting tons of Daire shipper to cry out in joy. ;)

Claire was all confused but Charlie was looking directly at Desmond. He *so* knows what Desmond did.
Oh. Boy. A new guru for Charlie to follow. :rolleyes:

Desmond deserves better than this!

I didn't get the guru vibe from Charlie. I got the weirded out, what's the deal with this guy vibe. I don't think he'll be following Des around, I think he'll either start spying on him or steer clear altogether keeping one eye on Claire and Aaron.

Oh. Boy. A new guru for Charlie to follow. :rolleyes:

Desmond deserves better than this! Well, I don't think Charlie's going to start building overlarge statues of Desmond but after someone just saved your life, wouldn't you be a little appreciative? I wouldn't mind Charlie thanking Desmond.

I would imagine Charlie would first want to know how he knew.

I think Charlie's look definitely hinted that he knew what had just transpired.

My thing is, Hurley did the same thing the episode before. I just hope they don't keep having people stare at Desmond all weird and never speak about it.

Hurley and Charlie should get together and confront Desmond about it, maybe get him to use his powers to figure out what the hell is going on with the Others.

I just hope they don't keep having people stare at Desmond all weird and never speak about it.

HAHAHAHA :rotflmao2: But it just wouldn't be Lost without people keeping their little secrets and refusing to communicate with one another!

C'mon guys. Here is what happened.

Desmond knew lightening would hit Claire's little hut thing. He asked her to move down the beach. She said no. Charlie came over and made (OMGNOWAY) a snarky remark. Desmond figured "fine".

Then he built a lightening rod right next to her hut so the lightening wouldnt hit it, but the rod next to it.

He can see the future(as displayed last week), he knew the lightening was going to strike, so he bult a rod to draw it away from Calire's hut and the baby.

That's what happened.

Thank you Sier. That's exactly what I got from the scene. In fact, I didn't think there was any other way to interpret that scene, the writers were really clear about their intentions: to show that Desmond can predict the (apparently) near future.
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That about sums it all up. as I've said in another post, desmond's precognition abilities are not new. He's displayed them in the show before.
1. His cave mural done in the hatch before he even met the Losties
2. His conversation with Jack at the stadium regarding Sara's miracle.
3. His converstion with the prison guard during his release. Desmond: "Its the last book I'll read before I die brother." Guard: "Thats good, if you know when you're going to die."
4. Telling Hurley in advance about Locke's speech on Jack, Sawyer and Kate's rescue.
5. Now constructing the make-shift rod that saves Claire, Aaron and Charlie's life.

I wonder if he can control it, b/c there certainly seems to be a lot of things he didn't predict. Important things at that, at least more important than a speech. Did he not see the plane crash coming? Or the fact that he couldn't escape the island?

I thought that the episode was great and loved the Desmond scenes. My thought though is this: Did Desmond get shipwrecked on this island by accident or on purpose? If he is (was) exhibiting these exceptional mental capabilities wouldn't the HF and DI be very interested in harnessing that power? Could HF/DI found out when he was in military prison? With that being said, could Desmond have been purposely maneuvered (via Libby) into coming to the island and then eventually to the Swan hatch? At that point, he could have been observed via the Pearl (or even by the Others). This episode raises more questions....

I want my Desmond FB!

I keep thing....Watership Down again. Was it because of the bunny? Was it because of the inability to reproduce? Was it because of Desmond's gift of seeing the future??? I dunno.

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But Desmond's smart enough to know he can't out-and-out TELL them about what he "sees." It sounds as crazy to him as it would have to them! So he improvised. Of course, now Charlie, Claire, and Hurley are sensing that something's up here. But will they pursue it? Will ANYONE pursue it? That remains to be seen.

As you said, I think Desmond has built up enough credibility with Charlie, Claire and Hurley to go ahead and say "I see the future", and they would believe him. But as usual with this show, nobody tells anybody anything.

I don't think Desmond always had this ability. If so, why would he walk into the whole hatch thing and then "not know" whether the button really did or didn't need to be pushed.

I agree that Desmond has lived these moments before and is did that to alter tragic events that happened his first time around. Claire, Aaron and Charlie probably all died after lightning struck their tent. Knowing this, Desmond told her to move, when that didn't work, he built the lightning rod to save them that way


NOW


here is the cool thing (if the writers are smart)


Whenever we get Desmond's next flashback episode, we should actually get his 'FLASH FORWARD' of the reality he lived the first time around after the hatch imploded.


We could see Charlie/Claire/Aaron dying, Desmond observing Locke's speech and all the other things we'll come to see him expecting.


The end could come with some huge revelation of something interesting that is to come that he knows about and is expecting (maybe seeing Penny)


thoughts?

Cool. Except that time travel makes my head hurt. Made me crazy when ST:TNG did it too.

Do we think there might be an up-and-coming connection with Claire's fortune teller and Desmond? I know the Eko episode last season had him saying he was a fake, but it would seem odd that there were two different "seeing the future" strands of plot.

Did he know it was gonna happen or is it just good timing, was he trying to get the flux capacitor fluxing or is he just aware of the island schedule?

I believe Desmond suspects he has precognition. And thus the experiment was to prove whether or not he does. Evidently, he does.

i was really congfused about this, thanks everyone for clearing this up!!!

It is my opinion that Desmond does NOT have precognition. He has the ability to time travel.

I don't think he has precognition and I don't think he has any ability.
The implosion MADE him time travel...then sent him back. as a one time thing....he's still coming to grips with that with explains his subdued nature while using this knowledge to prevent tragedies.


The really interesting stuff will be
a) what more did he see?
b) how far down the line did he see before he was brought back

both could be revealed in a flashback/forward type eppie....I think it'd be awesome.

charlie knows! :)

you could be right. I like it...but, there are reasonable counterarguents to this don't you agree?


haha this is LOST! nothing is for sure. Sorry if I sounded snarky, I was just giving you my thoughts on what I see them doing + what I think would be cool to see.


To have a guy sitting around on the island who can tell the entire future....meh I dont' know how keen I'd be on that. Even a temporary throw into the future then being brought back like my suggestion is slightly shark jumpy...whatever his deal...they gotta be careful how they do this to not make it seem cheesey or too 'magical'

The only flaw in your theory seems to be that Desmond had precog abilities before the implosion. Example, hit the numbers. Take the boat. Follow Kelvin. Kill Kelvin less be killed himself. Thus, the implosion perhaps was the epiphany for Desmond. Further, explain his loss of clothing? Did he have a suit or metal armor? That would explain an abiity to time travel. There are film and literary referencs to time travel w/o a machine.

Example: Astral Projection. The Butterfly Effect. Etc. Somethings up. We know that at a miniimum. I lean towards Des having more powers now than he used to, but, that he had those powers unwittingly pre implosion. He may have only thought he was dreaming when in actuallity he is either time travelling or using astral projection or is pre-cog.

I do not think you can discount his previous conduct as coincidence. They were pre-cog events he did not realize.

Reasonable counter argument wouldn't you say?

Alternatively, you may be right!


hmm so he always had precog but the implosion made him aware of it? Interesting. I don't understand our examples though? Take the boat? Libby gave it to him right? And following Kelvin, I thought that was because he saw the rip in his suit and knew something was amiss?

Also if he had precog, you'd think he would avoid the whole ordeal to prevent crashing on the island no?

Then again there is evidence of potential precogs on this show, namely Claire's psychic.


As for my theory explaining his nudity...I'm guessing that only organic matter could be transported. Hence his clothes not going with him OR perhaps in coming back only organic matter can be transported.


Who knows.

So much for my argument that HIM is Locke...

Later


UNLESS

DOC IS LOCKE


it's all coming together now.

Maaaaarty! We've gotta go BACK to the future, Marty!

Anyways, good catch to whoever brought up the line, "just a little experiment"... I didn't get the possible double meaning to that.

I liked the ground wire the best, at least they made it accurate.

And by the way, I'm in the "Desmondo has always had powers" group.

yeah I think Locke is him too...Let's not forget Ben was coming for him

I wonder if the X-rays are Locke's....The one's Jack saw. That's why Ben was coming for him. To help him. Jack having to save John would make sense considering the relevance of the two characters and their constant junxtaposition.

But how did they get those X-rays?

I think Desmond is a good example of the whole point of the show. Man of faith or man of science...or both? If I remember correctly when Desmond saw Eckos Jesus stick and found out he was a priest, something clicked for him that this was all real, hence his turning the key. When the implosion happened, something happened to him. The whole point of the yin yang symbol is the balance in the middle. When he was affected by the electro (yin) magnetic (yang) flux, it chemically altered not only his brainwaves but his pineal gland. Did you notice how happy he was tonight? He not only had knowing, or vision, or precog, but he was in a state of balance. He logically could have seen Claires "house" being a problem as it was made with the metal of the plane on the roof which would be a problem during an electrical storm. He also knew that if the roof would draw electricity that if he created something with metal close to her house and higher than her house that it would draw the current to it. This is science. Now I just read in cosmology 2012, that those who are balanced with the yin yang recieve messages through the energy of the earth/solar system. This was scientifically explained and also spiritually explained. So, he very well could be recieving visions due to the balance of his electromagnetic energy. I hope I made sense.

The Lightning rod was great...

As a kid my grandfather taught me the tell tale signs of nature how it changes with the weather.

Right before rain, the leaves will curl if there is wind, and the waves crest will turn whiter, and the water below it darker. Also you can sense barometric pressure changes in the air sometimes if you are in tune with the changes. Im personally very reseptive to weather and you can read alot from how nature behaves when telling weather.

A scotsman live in 190 days of rain (British Isles). Also, like Desmond, being a sailor, should help him get a clue. So he could have known naturally. And based on that judgement, he might have decided Claire's tent was pitched in a bad spot.

I see some suggests Desmond might be a time traveller, psychic or posessing precognitive skills, due to blast, and i love that idea, but untill it is actually proved in an episode by TPTB ill lean on what my grandpa taught me, wich he learned by his father and so on.

i mean i always liked desmond but right now he is too kool.

it was already very interesting when he talked about lockes speach, then to see him say something about the roof, and them to see him make a lightning rod which saved claire (basically i mean it would have zapped someone if he didnt build the rod.)

i cant wait to see what he knows next!

him..... you got me thinking with the xray of someones back.

and that locke couldnt walk and now he can, and apparently the island has healing capibilities. (like bernards wife... cant remember her name off the top of my head) (hopfully since the hatch and all the gear/electro stuff immploded (as far as we know) the people who were healed wont get sick again)

the only thing i could think is during time after the blast when no one saw locke echo or desmond, that they got xrays of locke (i mean if those xray do end up being his) who know mabey they did something to desmond to.

i think we need to go back and look at where each of locke desmond and echo woke up at, i mean supposidly the hatch imploded, but when we saw the blast go off, locke was in the computer room, desmond was under the computer room, and echo was out side the computer room, noe when we see them next we dont know how much time has elaplsed, but locks away from the hatch, desmond is also away from the hatch but with no close to be found, and echo is also away from the hatch, but he got dragged into a bear cage.

very interesting things to think about.

...Rose. As in Rose and Bernard.

Running through my mind is a somewhat alternate theory of how Desmond "sees" this stuff. When he spoke of Locke's speech, and correct me if I'm wrong, he spoke about it as if it had already taken place. Not that he "knew" it was coming but more like it "had" happened. Then in this epi, as a poster already stated, he tried to modify what was inevitably going to happen. First with trying to get Claire to move, then to fix the roof, then the lightening rod.

With that being said, and I haven't got the finer points of my hair-brained theory worked out, but what if he's not necessarily seeing the future as much as reliving the past? His past, this timeline. You could compare it to the movie Groundhog Day but I would rather compare it to the Twilight Zone since TPTB have already alluded to the Twilight Zone with the book "An Occurance At Owl Creek Bridge." There's a Twilight Zone with Dennis Weaver called Shadow Play where he relives the same nightmare over and over but each time, the people in it change roles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Play_(The_Twilight_Zone)

I dunno. Maybe he just simply sees the future due to the implosion. But I still can't get this idea out of my head....

- Floater99

C'mon guys. Here is what happened.

Desmond knew lightening would hit Claire's little hut thing. He asked her to move down the beach. She said no. Charlie came over and made (OMGNOWAY) a snarky remark. Desmond figured "fine".

Then he built a lightening rod right next to her hut so the lightening wouldnt hit it, but the rod next to it.

He can see the future(as displayed last week), he knew the lightening was going to strike, so he bult a rod to draw it away from Calire's hut and the baby.

That's what happened.

Exactly...how cool is that....he can see into the future wow where will TPTB take that?

Now, if Desmond doesn't offer Claire a wildly shaped piece of glass art in the next eppy I will be sorely disappointed that the writers missed that opportunity. :)

oooo...sweet home alabama here we come....watch out elf there may be a blessed triangle forming :biggrin:

I didn't get the guru vibe from Charlie. I got the weirded out, what's the deal with this guy vibe. I don't think he'll be following Des around, I think he'll either start spying on him or steer clear altogether keeping one eye on Claire and Aaron.

Lets face it everyone is going to be weirded out by this new phenomenon in Des.... but boy was he sexy during the whole scenario ;)

C'mon guys. Here is what happened.


Spot on.

I don't know why some people consider it to be a Jump the Shark moment if Desmond has precognition. Do we forget that Walt seemed to have similar abilities? Desmond is the new Walt.

I don't know why some people consider it to be a Jump the Shark moment if Desmond has precognition. Do we forget that Walt seemed to have similar abilities? Desmond is the new Walt.
Ooh I like that... I'm tempted to believe the whole prevent-lightning-from-striking-tent theory, but unless I'm mistaken, when it started to rain Claire's roof was busted and she and Aaron got soaked. So the "prophecy" of the roof being broken came true before the lightning even struck. Also, he did build a lightning rod which is meant to attract lightning. There's no telling where exactly it would have hit.

I'm thinking Des might have always had a little "intuition" but that the "implosion" has got him actually thinking about the fact. He seemed to be puzzling something out when he met up with Hurley and then when Locke was giving his speech. Maybe he realized that his "feelings" were in fact coming true.;)

Originally Posted by sier http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/images/FuselageGreen/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1237673#post1237673)
C'mon guys. Here is what happened.


yeah, i knew what happened i just made the thread to talk about the potential precog ramifications, that and to talk about mcfly.

1.21 gigawatts!

Didn't Desmond tie the wires that run through the island to the golf club/lightening rod? I thought that was what was at the bottom of it. Maybe that is what cut off the Other's communications and caused the power to go off when Sawyer tried to grab Ben to electricute him!

Ooh I like that... I'm tempted to believe the whole prevent-lightning-from-striking-tent theory, but unless I'm mistaken, when it started to rain Claire's roof was busted and she and Aaron got soaked. So the "prophecy" of the roof being broken came true before the lightning even struck. Also, he did build a lightning rod which is meant to attract lightning. There's no telling where exactly it would have hit.

There was no prophecy about the roof being broken. The roof being broken was just something Des said to get Claire to move the tent, to get out the tent, whatever. Des, through his apparent precognition, time travel, whatever we're calling it, *knew* the lightening was going to strike Claire's hut (b/c it has a metal roof). So instead of him walking up to her and saying, "I have these abilities to see the future, I know your tent is going to be hit by lightening" he made the excuse that her roof was broken and it needed fixing. This would've accomplished 2 things: 1) he gets Claire out of the hut (and therefore away from danger) and 2) he could've taken off the metal roof and replaced it with someone that wouldn't attract lightening. He could've made up any excuse he wanted to try to get Claire from that tent. I suppose he just went with the roof one b/c it's the rook that (would've) attracted the lightenting.

But when Charlie and Claire refused his help, he built the lightening rod right next to the tent, knowing that the lightening that was going to hit Claire's hut would instead his the lightening rod b/c it was close enough to Claire's tent and was taller than the tentl.
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Didn't Desmond tie the wires that run through the island to the golf club/lightening rod? I thought that was what was at the bottom of it. Maybe that is what cut off the Other's communications and caused the power to go off when Sawyer tried to grab Ben to electricute him!

What? There are wires that run through the island? You mean Desmond's wires aren't just wires from the wreckage? I thought it was pretty clear that the purple light caused comms to go out. And Ben wasn't electrocuted b/c he shut off the power to Sawyer's cage. He knew Sawyer's plan b/c he's been watching them through the monitors.

C'mon guys. Here is what happened.

Desmond knew lightening would hit Claire's little hut thing. He asked her to move down the beach. She said no. Charlie came over and made (OMGNOWAY) a snarky remark. Desmond figured "fine".

Then he built a lightening rod right next to her hut so the lightening wouldnt hit it, but the rod next to it.

He can see the future(as displayed last week), he knew the lightening was going to strike, so he bult a rod to draw it away from Calire's hut and the baby.

That's what happened.

Yeah, it's not that difficult to figure out. Wierd how people can miss the simple things. No offense of course ;)

The only flaw in your theory seems to be that Desmond had precog abilities before the implosion. Example, hit the numbers. Take the boat. Follow Kelvin. Kill Kelvin less be killed himself. Thus, the implosion perhaps was the epiphany for Desmond. Further, explain his loss of clothing? Did he have a suit or metal armor? That would explain an abiity to time travel. There are film and literary referencs to time travel w/o a machine.

Example: Astral Projection. The Butterfly Effect. Etc. Somethings up. We know that at a miniimum. I lean towards Des having more powers now than he used to, but, that he had those powers unwittingly pre implosion. He may have only thought he was dreaming when in actuallity he is either time travelling or using astral projection or is pre-cog.

I do not think you can discount his previous conduct as coincidence. They were pre-cog events he did not realize.

Reasonable counter argument wouldn't you say?

Alternatively, you may be right!


there is one thing i don't understand about the theory of him having the ability before the hatch incident... wouldn't he have known, or at least suspected, that he "caused" the plane to crash? instead of it suddenly hitting him at the last minute what had caused it to crash? i just don't understand how it occured to him suddenly, if he had any sort of ability before. i'm pretty rusty on lost, though, so am i missing something? there's probably some simple explanation to this & i'm just an idiot.

also, it really seemed like he was experimenting with his abilities this episode. i think it might have been a one-time thing as well, but in that one time, he saw a lot.

He does have these suspicions only he does't act on them. Eg, meeting jack. Coincidence? Nope. Just some weird ability Des has. The other hatch. The numbers and the date of the crash. He doesn't think he "caused" the island to crash. He only realizes things before he is too late to do something about it. Further, how about going on the boat race to begin with. He just was compelled to go. He couldn't then, explain why, but now maybe can. He tries to get the numbers to get punched at the end of last season, but is too late. Again, evidence of pre-cog activity without Des acting. How about when he Decides to follow Kelvin..Didn't have to, but had a feeling.

So, your examples are incorrect. There are plenty of tims when Des decides something is weird, pre implosion, but does nothing. It is only now he is listening to himself. The best example is last year. He flees the hatch when the computer is blown. Does he know the thing will implode if not fixed? Yes. How does he act, he doesn't believe yet. Fortunately, Sayeed comes to the rescue.

It can't just be a "one" time thing. That wouldn't fit into the storyline. It wouldn't explain why he looks into the ocean and skips stones. It wouldn't explain the lengths he goes to to prove to Charlie that he has a gift. It would completely gut Des the Character and his ultimate quest............to get back his girl.

Sorry Charlie. Don't buy your analysis. Good effort.


okay, i totally buy that he had some sort of ability or "sense" before everything happened, for some reason the "see you in another life" line sells it to me the best. but he was still really slow to catch on about the crash.

but can you explain the last part of your statement & why it couldn't be a one-time thing? like i said, i'm very rusty. except this time, no condescension pls.

Here's a question: was the lightning supposed to kill Claire and/or Aaron? Or just hurt them? With all of the discussion about Desmond's ability, have we lost sight of the fact that lightning hitting someone is a very rare event and maybe there's some meaning behind this particular nasty little cloudburst that just happened to have its sights set on that particular hut on the beach? Since there's likely a meteorology DHARMA station somewhere, is someone still monkeying around with the weather and if so, why were they after Claire and Aaron?

Desmond's "inner peace" this episode was quite interesting -- seems like he knew not very much was going to happen this particular day in paradise (oh, except someone getting electrocuted). I think we should all be very worried when Desmond gets worried...

Ooh I like that... I'm tempted to believe the whole prevent-lightning-from-striking-tent theory, but unless I'm mistaken, when it started to rain Claire's roof was busted and she and Aaron got soaked. So the "prophecy" of the roof being broken came true before the lightning even struck. Also, he did build a lightning rod which is meant to attract lightning. There's no telling where exactly it would have hit.

Obviously we are meant to believe that lightning would have struck Claire's tent. Lightning rods are meant to redirect lightning and channel it into the ground. It wouldn't attract lightning from far away but redirect a close strike. It's safe to say that the writer's intend for us to believe that Desmond knew lightning would strike Claire's tent if he didn't intervene.

Here's a question: was the lightning supposed to kill Claire and/or Aaron? Or just hurt them? With all of the discussion about Desmond's ability, have we lost sight of the fact that lightning hitting someone is a very rare event and maybe there's some meaning behind this particular nasty little cloudburst that just happened to have its sights set on that particular hut on the beach? Since there's likely a meteorology DHARMA station somewhere, is someone still monkeying around with the weather and if so, why were they after Claire and Aaron?

That's what really strikes me: he potentially saved Aaron's life. That alone makes his precognition or time travel incredibly significant. Aaron has pretty much been built up as someone very crucial to where this show's going.

I see it as the Island wanted to save Aaron... it gave or did something that gave Desmond this fore knowledge and used him to save Aaron.

Now what's going to be interesting is what happens down the road if he knows about something that isn't so black and white... what decision will he make then: change the future or keep the status quo.

It looks like Desmond's little gift from the island may come in handy for our Losties. I wonder who will be first to figure it out and try to put it to use.

I am thinking that maybe Claire will figure it out first and tell Charlie who will confront Des and see if they can put the gift to good use.

Exactly.

Now, if Desmond doesn't offer Claire a wildly shaped piece of glass art in the next eppy I will be sorely disappointed that the writers missed that opportunity. :)

Me too! :1smiling:

Oh. Boy. A new guru for Charlie to follow. :rolleyes:

Desmond deserves better than this!

So does Charlie. Nothing wrong with Des but Charlie's due for some true maturity and that's figuring out what he truly believes in and not depend on someone else to give him the answers. After all, he's survived just as well as anyone else (and better than some) since the crash.

I think Charlie's look definitely hinted that he knew what had just transpired.

My thing is, Hurley did the same thing the episode before. I just hope they don't keep having people stare at Desmond all weird and never speak about it.

Hurley and Charlie should get together and confront Desmond about it, maybe get him to use his powers to figure out what the hell is going on with the Others.

I like this idea almost as well as the Claire and Charlie together going to Desmond.

HAHAHAHA :rotflmao2: But it just wouldn't be Lost without people keeping their little secrets and refusing to communicate with one another!

Anyone who's read the majority of my early posts, knows that is just about my only pet peeve with the show!

As you said, I think Desmond has built up enough credibility with Charlie, Claire and Hurley to go ahead and say "I see the future", and they would believe him. But as usual with this show, nobody tells anybody anything.

But Charlie might treat him as he's treated Hurley when Hurley told him he was a millionaire. I don't think that Des would handle it in the same way Hurley has.

The "Jump the Shark" moment will happen when Sawyer gets his leather jacket, gets his waterskis, and jumps over the Dharma Shark...


I think you are totally right there, Roman! But I'll watch that just as I watched the Fonz jump the shark. :biglaugh:

i thought the writers said everything in lost could be explained with science and 'supernaturalism'. So far Desmonds sixth sense only seems supernatural. wheres the science part?

I am thinking that maybe Claire will figure it out first and tell Charlie who will confront Des and see if they can put the gift to good use.

Looked to me like Charlie figured it out first. ;)

But Charlie might treat him as he's treated Hurley when Hurley told him he was a millionaire. I don't think that Des would handle it in the same way Hurley has.

Charlie wouldn't act that way now. Charlie's not a complete skeptic like Jack is. He believes in Locke and his island dreams when he sees the proof. Jack would just make up some other explanation. Charlie's a believer. He didn't believe Hurley about the lottery because it sounded outrageous, Hurley's always been a joker and there was no proof. If Hurley had told Charlie about Des predicting Locke's speech, Charlie probably would have reacted as you describe. Skeptical. I do agree that if Des had come to them before and said he could tell the tent will be hit by lightning, neither Charlie nor anyone else would have believed him. But now that he's seen it with his own eyes, I think Charlie believes.

Looked to me like Charlie figured it out first. ;)



Charlie wouldn't act that way now. Charlie's not a complete skeptic like Jack is. He believes in Locke and his island dreams when he sees the proof. Jack would just make up some other explanation. Charlie's a believer. He didn't believe Hurley about the lottery because it sounded outrageous, Hurley's always been a joker and there was no proof. If Hurley had told Charlie about Des predicting Locke's speech, Charlie probably would have reacted as you describe. Skeptical. I do agree that if Des had come to them before and said he could tell the tent will be hit by lightning, neither Charlie nor anyone else would have believed him. But now that he's seen it with his own eyes, I think Charlie believes.
Not to forget that Charlie has had his own dreams whilst on the island and wasn't believed by anybody.

I think that's the best arguement on your side. I don't think it's a one time thing though, I do think Des sees the island's destruction and the end of the world. Now, its' for him and charlie and eveyone, to stop it.

I think this is a good call -- it's quite common in the fantasy genre to have a "prophet" (or long-standing prophecy) on hand, giving some hint of what's to come, but then just as often the manner in which the prophecy actually comes to pass is wholly unexpected. (The difference between this and time travelers who actually have "seen" or "visited" the future is actually not very different in substance, as long as the time travelers have the ability to alter events in the past, because once they make the change they may not know all the permutations of what will occur.) I think Des's "gift" will start to become more complicated than he may now think. He may well see the end of the island and/or world, but choosing the right path to stop it may prove nearly impossible.

Another possiblity is that this is yet another set-up by the island, just like Locke's belief in the Hatch and subsequent lost faith -- Des seems now to believe in his gift, but perhaps the unforeseen consequences of using it will start causing him to doubt it pretty soon?

I'm so glad that someone else thought of Back to the Future.

I didn't since it seemed entirely unrelated.

Heyy, we're liking this thread :cool: as soon as i saw that rod thing i said BTTF =D

Anyhoo...we think that Boone didn't bank on this whole Desmond situation because in John's dream thing he says (about Claire, Charlie and Aaron) "They'll be fine, for a while" so i think that Boone saw them dying/ being injured after that lightning strike thing. But Desmond saw it and fixed it to save them.

Also we can't remember who said it now.. but someone said that it could be John Locke's X-ray. Well we think its obviously Sawyer's. We know they had Sawyer in there. and in season 1 he asks Jack if he could have a tumour because his uncle had one.

Back to the Desmond thing.. we don't think he had his abilities pre-implosion as he didn't show any obvious signs. i agree with whoever said that in the implosion he was thrown to the future, saw some stuff and then was thrown back, as a one off thing. It just makes more sense to us.

What was everyone saying about Shannon 'cause we don't get it =S

Anyway thats enough from us.. thanks for being bothered to read that (if you did;) )

Lors and Kate xx

NOW ... here is the cool thing (if the writers are smart)

Whenever we get Desmond's next flashback episode, we should actually get his 'FLASH FORWARD' of the reality he lived the first time around after the hatch imploded.

We could see Charlie/Claire/Aaron dying, Desmond observing Locke's speech and all the other things we'll come to see him expecting.

... thoughts?

I'm hoping there will be no spoilers for that episode.

Because that would mean that we would have a peek into a future episode that hasn't been aired yet, with Desmond's flash-forwards into past moments in episodes where he knew -- I mean: knows -- I mean will know -- I mean...

... this could get confusing quick.

I'm going to get my mind off this.

Besides I feel some deja-vu coming on , and that just makes it worse.

***
Seriously, I do like the idea of of finding out what it was like for Desmond from the moments just after the fail-safe point, up to the Story's Present.

Though they might have to slightly alter the narrator's opening words...

"Presciently, on Lost...."

:)

Maybe sometime in the Island's future, Desmond will travel/ be sent to the past hence his precog in the flashbacks.& when he is naked is the point he comes back ?
Some things would be important for him to change & depending what "happens" some things would have to stay the same ( letting people die or push/not push buttons etc..)


Sorry if my thinking is screwy. I tend to throw anything out there in my head and organize it later.

Not to forget that Charlie has had his own dreams whilst on the island and wasn't believed by anybody.

I think you hit the nail on the head. That is the singular piece of proof that will have Charlie joined to the hip of Desmond. He will be sort of an "altar boy" of Desmond. He believes in his sight, beyond ANY doubt, and also has the motive to save Claire's baby.

That's right, I didn't even think of that. Good connection. Hmm...I wonder if Charlie himself didn't get a more obscure glimpse into this very occurence with his "the baby's in danger" dream? Maybe this was the thing he was being warned about, but not too clearly.

Charlie certainly seemed impressed, and anybody who can protect Claire and Aaron would have to be okay in his book.

Exactly.

Now, if Desmond doesn't offer Claire a wildly shaped piece of glass art in the next eppy I will be sorely disappointed that the writers missed that opportunity. :)

sheba!!!! You rock! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Marty could save them all

Was that thing, like....

art?

Looked to me like Charlie figured it out first. ;)

Charlie wouldn't act that way now. Charlie's not a complete skeptic like Jack is. He believes in Locke and his island dreams when he sees the proof. Jack would just make up some other explanation. Charlie's a believer. He didn't believe Hurley about the lottery because it sounded outrageous, Hurley's always been a joker and there was no proof. If Hurley had told Charlie about Des predicting Locke's speech, Charlie probably would have reacted as you describe. Skeptical. I do agree that if Des had come to them before and said he could tell the tent will be hit by lightning, neither Charlie nor anyone else would have believed him. But now that he's seen it with his own eyes, I think Charlie believes.

You may be right about that, Pace. I didn't think about Charlie witnessing the fruition of Locke's vision. I do think he knows something's going with Desmond but I thought maybe if Claire thought about it and her interest in ESP and such, she might put it together and then talk to Charlie. And then I had also forgotten about the following which was posted by Fak...

Not to forget that Charlie has had his own dreams whilst on the island and wasn't believed by anybody.

That's right! That may totally change his perception of hearing someone say they had seen the future!

I'm hoping there will be no spoilers for that episode.

Because that would mean that we would have a peek into a future episode that hasn't been aired yet, with Desmond's flash-forwards into past moments in episodes where he knew -- I mean: knows -- I mean will know -- I mean...

... this could get confusing quick.

I'm going to get my mind off this.

Besides I feel some deja-vu coming on , and that just makes it worse.

***
Seriously, I do like the idea of of finding out what it was like for Desmond from the moments just after the fail-safe point, up to the Story's Present.

Though they might have to slightly alter the narrator's opening words...

"Presciently, on Lost...."

:)

:roflmao: That's priceless, Dave!

That's right, I didn't even think of that. Good connection. Hmm...I wonder if Charlie himself didn't get a more obscure glimpse into this very occurence with his "the baby's in danger" dream? Maybe this was the thing he was being warned about, but not too clearly.

Charlie certainly seemed impressed, and anybody who can protect Claire and Aaron would have to be okay in his book.


I didn't think of that either, Pace. I think you may be on to something with Charlie's visions about Aaron too!
I don't know now who will be the first one to figure out the deal with Desmond. Ya'll have made such good arguments especially for Charlie that it could very well be him instead of Claire. At least Charlie, Claire and Hurley are most likely to share with someone else what they are thinking - unlike the majority of our Losties. ;)

I hope they don't do any time travel stuff, I think for me it will be terrible. Too too hokey.

I share the belief that Desmond had this precog thing before and now. Just because you have this doesn't mean you see everything, only what "gets through" so he would not necessarily have seen his boat wreck nor the implode/explode, although I think at the last when he was so so insistent with Locke to push the button-he "saw". He knows he has it, as evidence, his confidence and lack of panic to build the lightening rod and not continuing to argue with Charlie/Claire about fixing the roof.

I do not like Paulo. Nope, not one little bit. In fact, I resent him being there. Don't know why just do.

C'mon guys. Here is what happened.

Desmond knew lightening would hit Claire's little hut thing. He asked her to move down the beach. She said no. Charlie came over and made (OMGNOWAY) a snarky remark. Desmond figured "fine".

Then he built a lightening rod right next to her hut so the lightening wouldnt hit it, but the rod next to it.

He can see the future(as displayed last week), he knew the lightening was going to strike, so he bult a rod to draw it away from Calire's hut and the baby.

That's what happened.


exactly. Well put

I do not like Paulo. Nope, not one little bit. In fact, I resent him being there. Don't know why just do.Yeah, they really haven't done well on making the new people likable, have they? Unless that's what they want - to make them unlikable so that they're easy targets for death and we won't feel any pain when they go? Basic red-shirts I guess. :undecide:

C'mon guys. Here is what happened.

Desmond knew lightening would hit Claire's little hut thing. He asked her to move down the beach. She said no. Charlie came over and made (OMGNOWAY) a snarky remark. Desmond figured "fine".

Then he built a lightening rod right next to her hut so the lightening wouldnt hit it, but the rod next to it.

He can see the future(as displayed last week), he knew the lightening was going to strike, so he bult a rod to draw it away from Calire's hut and the baby.

That's what happened.


:cool:
That's pretty much how I remembered it. It is quite a cool twist in the plot that Desmond can predict or see ahead at times (or always?).
Neet!