What are the implications of this little bit of news?

Jin??

Is that why they wanted the children? Nobody on the island is able to conceive?

Yeah, fertility made me think Jin right away.

MARS NEEDS WOMEN!!

In this case...THE OTHERS NEED WOMEN...

As I have postulated in earlry threads...the Others can't conceive. I think the big "whoop dee doo" about Kate's "choice" this season...will be more about which one she wants to be the father of her child....Jack or Sawyer. Whomever she chooses...is safe...if she doesn't agree to go through with it...the other one dies.

Kate's choice may be more complicated than ever imagined.

Ator, that may also be why Pickett left Sawyer alone when Kate said she loved him i.e., sawyer would be the father.

Jin, and maybe now Sawyer. I think he knew Cassidy was conning him because he is sterile.

Some of us were joking that when Ethan was working on the "plumbing" that it was a fertility reference. Looks like it might have been true!

Ator, that may also be why Pickett left Sawyer alone when Kate said she loved him i.e., sawyer would be the father.

That's a great thought. It makes total sense. It sure did look like he was going to kill him if she said yes. I kept yelling at the TV, say no Kate!

I was wondering if she was in charge of the whole Claire fiasco...

But why would they want to keep the father around after Kate is impregnated? They could kill him afterwards right? Or just take the baby for themselves.

Juliet's a Fertility Doctor

I thought about sun. In "the Long Con" Charlie Supposedly attack Sun to make everyone think that the other are after them, but can we be sure it was Charlie? Sun said that she was out for a little while. So something could have happen to her. Jin can't have kids, and , Sun didn't discover she was pregnant until after the incident in the Long Con, so maybe their is a connection. Just a thought.

EEEEEWWWWWWW... I'm not liking any of these theories!!! It sounds too "contrived" for them to be sterile and need "donors". However, aren't cloned creatures usually sterile?? Like Dolly the Sheep? You could clone another one, but they cannot naturally reproduce?

But cloning seems so...yesterday's news. (strange to think...)

I don't want to think that Clementine may not be Sawyer's daughter... He should have something of his own in this world... He had so much taken away as a child.

I don't know, but could this be the cause of the "end of the world" that Valenzetti predicted in his equation? That, in the near future, mankind will be extinct because of infertility?

The rabbit made me think of fertility as well...

The rabbit made me think of fertility as well...
The rabbit also made me think of Bugs Bunny and his old saying after tunneling across the country, getting himself "Lost" and mentioning "I shoulda taken that left turn in "Alberquerky"....and Jack, being force fed cartoons....maybe I'm just tired...lol

I rolled my eyes when Juliet said she was a fertility doctor. Now it really does seem like the Other's aren't capable of having children and explains why they take the kids and the good people to continue their existence. But I hope it's more complicated than that because a fertility doctor on a island seems like that last kind of doctor you would want!

EEEEEWWWWWWW... I'm not liking any of these theories!!! It sounds too "contrived" for them to be sterile and need "donors". However, aren't cloned creatures usually sterile?? Like Dolly the Sheep? You could clone another one, but they cannot naturally reproduce?

But cloning seems so...yesterday's news. (strange to think...)

I don't want to think that Clementine may not be Sawyer's daughter... He should have something of his own in this world... He had so much taken away as a child.

Actually clones can reproduce. Dolly the sheep actually mated and reproduced normally after reaching maturity.

Here's a link : http://www.rds-online.org.uk/pages/page.asp?i_ToolbarID=5&i_PageID=162

Maybe The Others brought her to the Island to see if she could counteract Their fertility problems? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.

Im sorry, Im confused. If these others have been sterile because of the island, and Im to assume its because of the electromagnetism, then, wouldn't the losties have become sterile too? I mean, if this is what tore the plane in two and pulled it down, and this is what lit up the place and imploded the swan hatch, wouldn't the losties be sterile now too? My first thought when she said she was an infertility doctor was Sun, not Jin. How would they get Jins sperm? Unless somehow Sun's father has a connection to dharma and they have Jins sperm from the time they tested him? I did think the whole hooded abduction thing with Sun may have been to impregnate her. But with whose sperm? And they seemed to really want Clairs baby, right? Didn't Alex say they were going to kill Clair as soon as the baby was born? And these are the good guys? And if they wanted all the children why aren't they still trying to take Aaron? Im lost people.

i tell you one thing

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its interesting, i wondering if juliet is a f-doc how long shes been there cause we know of 2 babies being born (Rousseau's child and claires child) and possibley 1 more (sun).

also did anyone catch the dharma logo on juliets scrubs.... i missed it and im to tired to go watch the episode again, i didnt know if it was the hydra....

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its interesting, i wondering if juliet is a f-doc how long shes been there cause we know of 2 babies being born (lourosus child and claires child) and possibley 1 more (sun).

also did anyone catch the dharma logo on juliets scrubs.... i missed it and im to tired to go watch the episode again, i didnt know if it was the hydra....

Who's lourosus??

I think it seems that Juliet being a fertility doctor points to the fact that after the incident the females became sterile and a fertility doctor was called in to try and counteract the problem....however there were no children in "othersville" that we could see so I guess she might not be doing such a good job :rolleyes:

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its interesting, i wondering if juliet is a f-doc how long shes been there cause we know of 2 babies being born (Rousseau's child and claires child) and possibley 1 more (sun).

also did anyone catch the dharma logo on juliets scrubs.... i missed it and im to tired to go watch the episode again, i didnt know if it was the hydra....

Juliet's scrubs had the Hydra logo for Dharma. I want to go back and check the screen caps on the Maternity Ward episode from last year. Though Juliet hadn't been cast yet, maybe she's one of the mystery folks in the delivery/operating room.

I contend that Carl/Karl (Danielle's daughter Alex's friend who was in the cage across from Sawyer in s3, e1) is part of the list of those who may have been born on the island.

Juliet could be a fertility doc for the animals not the people. She could have been a researcher at the Hydra station that was doing animal research.:eek2:

i think these "others" have been awaiting the arrvial of a child and have yet to get him/her.. the reason they attempt to steal kids is becasue they are trying to find the "1" i know it sounds crazy but it woould make sense that they would put kate and sawyer togetherso thier cemistry can build and they can become lovers and concieve a child....
The Juliet Comes in...........

iono just me thinking

But why would they want to keep the father around after Kate is impregnated? They could kill him afterwards right? Or just take the baby for themselves.

I do not think they planned on keeping any of them around, after they get what they need from them. When Tom/Zeke told Ben that Danny wanted to kill Saywer, Ben wasn't all that concern. He told them in "due time", which seem to indicate that he is planning on killing them, after they get what they need/want.


I think it seems that Juliet being a fertility doctor points to the fact that after the incident the females became sterile and a fertility doctor was called in to try and counteract the problem....

Since Ben has been on the island all his life,( and maybe some of the other have too) maybe he /and those born on the island , where generically alter , and not able to reproduce. (re: Not anatomically correct, etc)

Is that why they wanted the children? Nobody on the island is able to conceive?

however there were no children in "othersville" that we could see so I guess she might not be doing such a good job

..and just where are all the children they took? we have not seen them, where are they keeping them? isn't it strange that when they showed the other's camp, there were no children at either one?

Fertility doctor = geneticist, i think. Genetic engineer.

Fertility doctor = geneticist, i think. Genetic engineer.

Juliet is in her early to mid thirties (like Jack), so where did she go to Medical School.... Other U? If she really is a trained fertility doctor, when did she come to the island?

I think we'll get that answer if and when we get an Others flashback.

Another, more optimisitic, possibility is that Jin's fertility WAS cured by the island somehow and that's why they (whoever "they" is) sent a fertility doctor to study the source of the "miracle".

Oh, and theredbaron, according to a lot of spoiler information . . .

you'll be getting your wish granted, because episode 7, or was it 6?, will be a Juliet flashback.

Jin, and maybe now Sawyer. I think he knew Cassidy was conning him because he is sterile.

Why is everyone saying Sawyer is sterile? When did we find out he is?? :confused:

But why would they want to keep the father around after Kate is impregnated? They could kill him afterwards right? Or just take the baby for themselves.

Well, if they want one kid, they could kill him afterwards... or they could keep him to make more lovely Sawyer babies. :biggrin:

The rabbit made me think of fertility as well...

The rabbit actually made me think of "It's all about bunnies"... and the treefrog a bit...

Who's lourosus??

Guess s/he meant Rousseau...

Juliet's scrubs had the Hydra logo for Dharma. I want to go back and check the screen caps on the Maternity Ward episode from last year. Though Juliet hadn't been cast yet, maybe she's one of the mystery folks in the delivery/operating room.

Maternity Leave... ;)

Charlie admitted having kidnapped Sun, so I don't think Juliet had anything to do with getting Sun pregnant... (okay, that sounded weird now LOL!).

I'm a bit confused atm as to where this new puzzle piece fits into... :confused:

Why is everyone saying Sawyer is sterile? When did we find out he is?? :confused:
Sorry, we don't. It's really just rampant speculation. After writing "I think" before it in tons of posts, I guess I just dropped it for this one. Sorry to confuse!

Maybe The Others brought her to the Island to see if she could counteract Their fertility problems? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.

Yeah, this makes the most sense right now.

Juliet is in her early to mid thirties (like Jack), so where did she go to Medical School.... Other U? If she really is a trained fertility doctor, when did she come to the island?

It does seem like she needed to be trained in the real world. This might explains her sadness in the season premiere as she knows what life is like outside the island and misses it, also it would help explin why she doesn't completely fit in with Ben and other people who have lived their entire lives ont he island.

Im sorry, Im confused. If these others have been sterile because of the island, and Im to assume its because of the electromagnetism, then, wouldn't the losties have become sterile too? I mean, if this is what tore the plane in two and pulled it down, and this is what lit up the place and imploded the swan hatch, wouldn't the losties be sterile now too? My first thought when she said she was an infertility doctor was Sun, not Jin. How would they get Jins sperm? Unless somehow Sun's father has a connection to dharma and they have Jins sperm from the time they tested him? I did think the whole hooded abduction thing with Sun may have been to impregnate her. But with whose sperm? And they seemed to really want Clairs baby, right? Didn't Alex say they were going to kill Clair as soon as the baby was born? And these are the good guys? And if they wanted all the children why aren't they still trying to take Aaron? Im lost people.


Another possibilty would be that Dharma's involvement somehow made them sterile, perhaps some experiment.

So if Juliet is really a fertility doctor, that must mean they dont have any other kind of doctors.. because if they did, they would have been there instead of Jack. So who were the people that were going to take Claire's baby in the medical station? What happens if one of them gets sick?
I think the fertility doctor may have been for the animals like someone else mentioned.

Juliet could be a fertility doc for the animals not the people. She could have been a researcher at the Hydra station that was doing animal research.:eek2:


Yes, although she did say fertility doctor and not fertility vetrinarian :P

I don't get why the assumption is fertility doctor=inability to have kids. A fertility doctor would also be able to do invitro and other procedures. Perhaps little base of others was an attempt to create a perfect society through some genetic engineering-- then the incident and like everything else on the island(s), things fell apart and they're left now in the wake of the chaos.

Perhaps the bears were genetically manipulated for more intelligence, and then they intended to apply similar techniques to people.

So if Juliet is really a fertility doctor, that must mean they dont have any other kind of doctors.. because if they did, they would have been there instead of Jack. So who were the people that were going to take Claire's baby in the medical station? What happens if one of them gets sick?
I think the fertility doctor may have been for the animals like someone else mentioned.

I thought that in Claire's flashbacks (was it Maternity Leave?) we saw that Ethan seemed to be serving the role of doctor. Since he was dispatched by Charlie, I think all they are left with is Juliet.

who says she has to be there for her skills as a fertilty dr? Dharma didn't want Kelvin for his soldier skills. Maybe she trained to be a fertilty dr but ended up doing X. What X is I don't know yet, still working on that

So if Juliet is really a fertility doctor, that must mean they dont have any other kind of doctors.. because if they did, they would have been there instead of Jack. So who were the people that were going to take Claire's baby in the medical station? What happens if one of them gets sick?
I think the fertility doctor may have been for the animals like someone else mentioned.

I guess the people who were going to take Claire's baby were just winging it, unless Juliet know how to do a c-section properly, then she could direct everyone. This could also be why Claire would die, because they don't know how cut her open and sew her up properly.

Here are a couple of things all at once about this topic that I thought about (some of which has been said, some I haven't seen):
1) I agree that Juliet wasn't part of the Others originally, but, rather, was brought there somehow. Mainly because of her sadness at hearing "Downtown"--the Others don't know what they're missing , so they aren't sad about being there.
It also, figurtes into why she was so quick to argue for "free will" in the book club discussion--she was brought there against her will!
2) what if the reason why they have no doctors on the island (besides because there is no university) is because they don;t need one since they are genetically perfect! They don't get sick, they are stronger then normal, they are smart and maybe, just maybe, if left alone, they would live forever! This might explain why they were so distraught at Colleen's death--since they aren't used to losing one of their own because they won't die!
3) I, too, figured they were infertile, hence the reason they were looking for kids and hence the reason they wanted Jack, Kate & Sawyer i.e.--new breeding stock.

So if Juliet is really a fertility doctor, that must mean they dont have any other kind of doctors.. because if they did, they would have been there instead of Jack. So who were the people that were going to take Claire's baby in the medical station? What happens if one of them gets sick?
I think the fertility doctor may have been for the animals like someone else mentioned.


That's a good question. I think maybe Ethan and Juliet were the only two doctors. The other people in the operating room could have been nurses or assistants. Now Juliet is the only doctor. But they should really invest in another kind of docter with other skills. :)

That's a good question. I think maybe Ethan and Juliet were the only two doctors. The other people in the operating room could have been nurses or assistants. Now Juliet is the only doctor. But they should really invest in another kind of docter with other skills. :)

I'm taking a guess that most of the "family" that Ethan spoke of to Claire aren't exactly medical professionals, or doctors in the AMA sense of the word. In fact the way Juliet looked in the operating room, I would call into question any medical license she obtained. From their actions and what we know of the group called Dharma, these people are scientists interested in research and behavioral analysis.

They didn't have working "paddles" in their operating room so they obviously weren't expecting to have to operate on anyone. With the pieces of the puzzle we've been given thus far I'd say Ben and Juliet have certain directives that are given to them (from somewhere back in the real world) and they proceed the best that they can.

MARS NEEDS WOMEN!!

In this case...THE OTHERS NEED WOMEN...

As I have postulated in earlry threads...the Others can't conceive. I think the big "whoop dee doo" about Kate's "choice" this season...will be more about which one she wants to be the father of her child....Jack or Sawyer. Whomever she chooses...is safe...if she doesn't agree to go through with it...the other one dies.



You have no proof of that - just speculation so while it's an interesting idea it has ZERO credibility.

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You have no proof of that - just speculation so while it's an interesting idea it has ZERO credibility.

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your flaming/abusive comments to other people's theories needs to stop now. just b/c you dont agree with them does not make it okay for you to be rude to them. we will not tolerate continued rudeness towards our posters.

Juliet is in her early to mid thirties (like Jack), so where did she go to Medical School.... Other U? If she really is a trained fertility doctor, when did she come to the island?

I thought about that, too. She's in her mid-30s. There is no mail order medical school that I know of. So:
a) she was born in the island, left to go to school, as a mission, then returned to the island;
b) she was brought in later. On purpose? She came on her own or was there a plan to bring her?

A fertility doctor can make artificial inseminations. The same way they held Sawyer, they could have fertilized Kate. And the ***** could be from any man in the island. Because if they wanted Kate to become pregnant the natural way, they would have locked her up in a jail like Jack's. Some privacy! And then she could spend months with one, months with the other. Fertility-wise, adding new genes to the pool is what matters.

So if they need variety, and want J and S to participate, well, better be nice and kind and set up a date with a nice young beautiful Other... they might just do it!

There is a strong chance that the Others are infertile, or that they were running experiments on their heyday, or were planning too. Otherwise such a big clue wouldn't have appeared. Juliet could have said "oh I'm a dermatologist"! So, regardless, this fertility thing is yet another clue.

A fertility doctor can make artificial inseminations. The same way they held Sawyer, they could have fertilized Kate. And the ***** could be from any man in the island. Because if they wanted Kate to become pregnant the natural way, they would have locked her up in a jail like Jack's. Some privacy! And then she could spend months with one, months with the other. Fertility-wise, adding new genes to the pool is what matters.

So if they need variety, and want J and S to participate, well, better be nice and kind and set up a date with a nice young beautiful Other... they might just do it!

There is a strong chance that the Others are infertile, or that they were running experiments on their heyday, or were planning too. Otherwise such a big clue wouldn't have appeared. Juliet could have said "oh I'm a dermatologist"! So, regardless, this fertility thing is yet another clue.

Very good point. For me, Juliet is there to make inseminations and maybe they need Sawyer and Kate for this. And Jack to take care with medic skills.

We heard a lot about some disease outbreak, whatever the island disease is, it could cause infertilty or reduced fertility. I believe mumps or maybe it was measles have that effect on adults. That would explain why they recruited a fertility doctor.

If Juliet is a fertility doctor, where are the children? I still have seen no evidence of children among this group of "others." Either she lied or isn't very good at her job.

What if shes just a fertility doctor that was employed by dharma many years ago?

Weve been given lil snippets of the history of the island:
- Dharma
- Adam & Eve
- Black Rock
- 4 toed statue

Id tend to think she is either an original employee of dharma that survived some mistake they made and is affected with longevity of life from the healing effects of the island or she has a history similar to Jacks. A crash survivor that has made the transition similar to what Jack maybe going through now as some sort of recruitment through neccesity. Something the others may be made up of...part dharma, part crash survivor recruits.

In any case I think its a snippet into a bigger picture we have already been given rather than her being a fertility doctor for any reason to do with the lostaways.

2) what if the reason why they have no doctors on the island (besides because there is no university) is because they don;t need one since they are genetically perfect! They don't get sick, they are stronger then normal, they are smart and maybe, just maybe, if left alone, they would live forever! This might explain why they were so distraught at Colleen's death--since they aren't used to losing one of their own because they won't die!

That is precisely what came to my mind as well...there is no need for regular doctors as they do not get sick...however, now that the electromagnetic field is down, which I attributed to the miraculous recoveries of Locke, Sun, and Rose, they're getting sick again...what about Locke's vision with Boone where he had to use the wheelchair...perhaps we'll start to see our Losties getting sick again as well. And of course there's the tumor. Pure speculation, mind you.

time for another star trek TNG reference. can't remember the title, but this planet full of clones was dying out because they were only reproducing by cloning. there started to be a kink in the system, like a copy of a copy of a copy and the cloned people weren't turning out right anymore, it was like too much inter-breeding, so they had to introduce a new race of people to the planet to get it on! nice, right?

That is precisely what came to my mind as well...there is no need for regular doctors as they do not get sick...however, now that the electromagnetic field is down, which I attributed to the miraculous recoveries of Locke, Sun, and Rose, they're getting sick again...what about Locke's vision with Boone where he had to use the wheelchair...perhaps we'll start to see our Losties getting sick again as well. And of course there's the tumor. Pure speculation, mind you.

It's possible, though one thing that doesn't fit is that they wanted and captured J/K/S before the swan imploded, so it wasn't the original reason they wanted the 3.