I'm usually one for glossing over character inconsistenices... however I can not believe that the man who put together the very, very intricate cons from "The Long Con" was so easily fooled by Ben's pacemaker story.

He should've asked to see proof of this, like tape of the operation or x-rays. It basically looked like he hadn't been moved. He had what looked like a scar and bandage over it -- just strikes me as not looking like what it would take to install a pacemaker.

Instead he got frazzled by the bunny. Somewhat understandable at the time, but for the all the time afterwards, with a clearer head, he never once questioned the validity of Ben's story. It may have been interesting to see him question it and The Others fool him into believing it. Maybe that was a scene or part of the script that was cut.

There's really not much conning involved when someone takes your word at face value. That's just plain, old lying. The last con type episodes have demonstarted a process -- almost a game of cat and mouse with the con artist as puppet master. That was missing here. Or am I being too harsh?:confused:

Yeah, I hope that a scene was cut or something, too. I also thought it was weird that he just believed.

And funny that a bunny is what helped to con him, when Sawyer crushed a tree frog. I wouldn't think an animal would affect him... although mostly what affected him was the bandage, scar, and watch.

Although, really what affected him was Kate. As Ben said.

Well, in all fairness to Sawyer, he didn't really get that much time to mull it over before the big reveal. I do think that after the beating he took it should have been clear as crystal though. If anything was going to get his heartrate up to explosive proportions (:rolleyes: ), that would have done it. I also think that the fact that many of the viewers were not fooled kind of says something.

Well, in all fairness to Sawyer, he didn't really get that much time to mull it over before the big reveal. I do think that after the beating he took it should have been clear as crystal though. If anything was going to get his heartrate up to explosive proportions (:rolleyes: ), that would have done it. I also think that the fact that many of the viewers were not fooled kind of says something.


Yep, you're right. If the viewers are fooled, then we can't really pick apart why Sawyer couldn't figure it out. Don't forget they also gave him drugs, so he was at the very least groggy and confused after waking up.

Sawyer's tired, hungry (or has been living on fish biscuits and whatever Danny packed for him), concerned about Kate...and now he gets strapped to the table while guys he doesn't know pull a scene from Pulp Fiction on him. He wakes up and observes the rabbit demonstration. From his viewpoint, it's not that hard to believe what he's been told about the pacemaker. Heck, with these weirdos, it would make perfect sense.

I'm usually one for glossing over character inconsistenices... however I can not believe that the man who put together the very, very intricate cons from "The Long Con" was so easily fooled by Ben's pacemaker story.

I guess I feel the opposite. I thought it was totally in character with Sawyer. It reminded me of season one when he was having his headaches. He knew nothing about medical stuff so he was at the mercy of Jack.. which we know he believed anything Jack asked/said to him.

funny that a bunny is what helped to con him, when Sawyer crushed a tree frog. I wouldn't think an animal would affect him....
I bet Sawyer had a bunny as a pet as a little boy (when he still lived with his parents). The rabbit pushed him back to that time when he was so vulnerable and fragile. It shook his confidence right to the core. :frown:

If I'd been through what Sawyer has been through - then throw in the beatings, worrying about escaping, Kate, tired, hungry, scared - I'd believe them if they told me they'd stuck a whale in my gut. He already believes the Others are capable of anything.

Sawyer's tired, hungry (or has been living on fish biscuits and whatever Danny packed for him), concerned about Kate...and now he gets strapped to the table while guys he doesn't know pull a scene from Pulp Fiction on him. He wakes up and observes the rabbit demonstration. From his viewpoint, it's not that hard to believe what he's been told about the pacemaker. Heck, with these weirdos, it would make perfect sense.


I thought it was plausible too because of the way everything happened. Like he told Kate, they just haven't figured out what the deal with them is yet. A con man always likes to know what his mark is feeling.
That being said, he does seem to be as susceptible to a con as anyone else. This isn't the first con pulled on him.

In such a scenario, I don't think Sawyer is thinking 100% the way he normally does.
He was just put through torture and woke up with a big hole in his chest plus Kate was threatened and honestly wouldn't you rather be safe than sorry in that kind of situation!!! If someone had told me that my heart would explode if my pulse went over a certain number, I think I would try and keep it steady!!

I went back and forth whether it was true or not. Probably the same thing Sawyer did. But why risk it... just in case?

I got shocked by the bunny scene my sister actually refused to watch it after that i told her what really happened so she watched it on abc site but still thinks its animal cruelty. In that way at the time what they did to prove there point i can see why Sawyer believed them and ben is right they have better ability to con as they know all about the losties and seem to know about the island

I knew it was a con after I saw Sawyer's chest. There's no way he had a pacemaker installed & had that small of a wound, no blood, no staples or stitches.

Yeah I think it had a lot to do with the stress of the situation. And as someone mentioned, Sawyer doesn't really know a lot about medical stuff...so he has no knowledge that would make what Benry said implausible.

The demonstration was pretty convincing. I mean Benry looked like a LUNATIC shaking that rabbit. I would have believed he was capable of killing it too ;). But I think the main thing that kept him from really questioning the validity of what they told him was panic. Every time the watch started beeping his survival instinct took control and it blocked out his ability to really think clearly. And on top of that Ben threatened Kate and so Sawyer's full attention was kept on how to keep her from knowing and keep her out of harm's way. He was trying to do too many things at once (keep his heart rate down...avoid Kate's questions...worry about her safety) to stop and think "wait a minute here..." ;)

Don't forget exactly what Ben said afterwards, too: "The only thing we planted in you was doubt". Even if Sawyer didn't believe the Others implanted something in his heart, is he going to bet his life on that?

I didn't believe it for a second. I have a hard time thinking anyone could believe that.

My opinion of the Sawyer character has been diminished. The Others are not so smart too. Come on! They could at least have given him a larger wound and put some staples in him. Maybe have an animal heart in a pan next to him and tell him that's his old heart.... something to add credibility to their story.