Yknow, it just occurred to me that there really should have been working medical equipment at that station! I mean, think about it ..... The "Staff" hatch was very medically advanced and they were prepared to perform a C-section on Claire!

I bet they DID have more advanced equipment but Benry made sure certain things weren't operable so that Col would die. This power struggle between him and Juliet is gonna get very intense! He sure didn't take kindly to her going her own way and not listening to him - he even sacrificed an innocent person just to shake her enough to fall back under his spell. :shock:

Benry is one slick s.o.b. and there's no way he's got any kind of soul..... :cool:

Yknow, it just occurred to me that there really should have been working medical equipment at that station! I mean, think about it ..... The "Staff" hatch was very medically advanced and they were prepared to perform a C-section on Claire!

Maybe it broke in the quick move when they had to abandon the medical hatch! :)

Maybe it broke in the quick move when they had to abandon the medical hatch! :)

Hmmm, that's a possibility. :39:
Also I suppose it might be a little difficult for them to get new supplies as fast as they'd want them. How long did Juliet say the machine had been broken???

That Benry is evil!!!:dgrin:

Yknow, it just occurred to me that there really should have been working medical equipment at that station! I mean, think about it ..... The "Staff" hatch was very medically advanced and they were prepared to perform a C-section on Claire!

I bet they DID have more advanced equipment but Benry made sure certain things weren't operable so that Col would die. This power struggle between him and Juliet is gonna get very intense! He sure didn't take kindly to her going her own way and not listening to him - he even sacrificed an innocent person just to shake her enough to fall back under his spell. :shock:

Benry is one slick s.o.b. and there's no way he's got any kind of soul..... :cool:


Good thoughts. I had not considered it in this light. But remember, evil and good are points of view.

That Benry is evil!!!:dgrin:

With his "alone" speech today I think we are going to find that he has lost someone (non-Juliet). My bet is that Benry's girl was one of the Others killed by the Losties - hence his seeming hatred and lack of remorse for making them suffer.

Well...how often do they really need a working crash cart? I mean...they obviously get supplies from somewhere...perhaps that just wasn't very high on the list.

I find it hard to believe Ben purposely "sabotaged" the medical equipment...just to "test" Jack...or Juliette's loyalty. And Ben had no idea Sun would pop a cap in Colleen in the first place.

All their equiptment is very old...(that VTR he wheeled in was from the 80's)...so it didn't "shock" me to hear that the crash paddles were broken (pardon the pun).

Reading too much into this perhaps?

I want to know who was going to preform Claire's C-Section. Juliet said she wasn't a surgeon- I'm guessing a fertility doctor doesn't deliver babys or care for the pregnant mothers after they conceive.

I want to know who was going to preform Claire's C-Section. Juliet said she wasn't a surgeon- I'm guessing a fertility doctor doesn't deliver babys or care for the pregnant mothers after they conceive.

My guess is that it was Ethan who was going to perform the C-section, so he may have been the resident doctor among the Others.

On the other hand, I do think that everything was too convenient on this episode for Ben not to have been conning Jack right along with Sawyer. Come on, he's called in at the last minute to save Colleen, and he just happens to see the spinal x-rays (just who was analyzing those if the Others don't have doctors)? Jack's being put in the same situation as Locke was previously: he's being made to believe that he was brought to the Island (or at least to the Others) for a reason, in his case to save someone, and I'll bet that it won't turn out how he expects, and he'll lose "faith" again.

OK I find the Ethan being a doctor thing hysterical considering he was fixing Juliet's pipes...LMAO!!!

Maybe they brought Jack in to help knowing that she was going to die and there was nothing he could do to save her. This would be a test to see if they could trust him with whoevers life they need him to operate on to remove the tumor. To see if he would even help, if his being a Dr would take over and try to save someones life that they knew he couldnt save. If they really wanted to save her or if she could be saved they wouldve brought him in sooner. And even though Juliet is a fertility doctor she would know when a person is capable of being saved or not, all doctors go through the same schooling until they start to get specialized, and make rounds in differnent department while in med school. And as a side note did they leave the xrays up on purpose so Jack could see them?

Maybe they brought Jack in to help knowing that she was going to die and there was nothing he could do to save her. This would be a test to see if they could trust him with whoevers life they need him to operate on to remove the tumor.

I am with you, think this was a test.

And the x-rays are there to Jack see, you can bet this.

I think there was a large tie in of the scenes where zeke and benry are talking about the "sky going purple and comm's down for two days" and the fact that all the "others' medical equipment is old...

We have seen the healing power of the island on locke and rose, so i'm thinking that perhaps the others didn't ever need updated medical equipment, because their serious wounds are healed by whatever magic exists on the island?! It would explain why juliet says that "we have never needed them" when jack asks where the crash cart is, and now that the magnetic field is destroyed, they are just normal people...

In Maternity Leave we never saw anything truly updated medically, we only got a glimpse of the operating theatre (which could have been staged) and the only procedures which were performed was Ethan injecting Claire, which could have been done by a fairly medically inexperienced person, especially if it was all for show...

Good points rrobello. And we saw Jack kick into doctor mode pretty quick. He even shed some tears when he had to call her death. So I would think they wanted to make sure he'd go "neutral" when the time came to perform the real surgery, and I think he kind of proved he would.
And again, why, if you isolate yourself from the world on an island would you not make sure you had at least one working crash cart? Or at least a portable defibrillator? Probably because you knew you wouldn't need them. Which would make it a very odd, somewhat unnatural, situation. Hmmm....

Definitely a setup brought to you by the evil and machiavelic Juliet. Jack got it, fortunately. This episode was all about con and heartrates :lol: . I don't think the monitor was shown several times just because. Jack realized something was off after seeing those Xrays and checking a monitor with too benign an ECG for someone who's supposedly in severe shock (just 60 HPM? unless her heart was giving in, yes, but then it should have been much lower than 60....hmmmmm....I think there's a subtext there. ) Point is, as I commented on another thread, it was a setup, and Jack, who's learning to be cunning, played the game. He realized Colleen was dead before they put her there, he said it.

Danny seems to be low on the Others' ranks so he could be easily deceived too. Ben seemed....impressed. I think he didn't quite know what Juliet intended -or maybe he did :lol: . This reinforces what she had previously said, that she didn't respond to him, that they decided things together.

Yeah i find it odd that there would be a nearly new washer and dryer in the swan, but the others dont have working medical equipment! Somethings not right there...

This would be a test to see if they could trust him with whoevers life they need him to operate on to remove the tumor. To see if he would even help, if his being a Dr would take over and try to save someones life that they knew he couldnt save.
Jack has some tricks up his sleeve yet. ;) He probably DID know that Col was beyond saving, but worked on her anyway. I noticed he wasn't fully committed to reviving her though because although he gave her chest compressions, he never gave her mouth-to-mouth. He also stopped the compressions pretty quickly. He worked MUCH longer on Rose and especially Charlie! He's not the type to just accept that a patient he is trying to save cannot be resusitated.

I was amused at how he "seemed" to snap into his doctor role, to the point of even calling the time of death and looking for a clock! I think that was all an act designed to make the Others think he had completely submerged himself in full surgeon mode and that he was totally buying their setup.

Jack impressed me for the first time in a long time with this epi. I think his flashbacks are going to get more and more interesting! :w00t:

the only procedures which were performed was Ethan injecting Claire, which could have been done by a fairly medically inexperienced person...
Actually this procedure would not be easy for a medically inexperienced person. Ethan was sonogramming Claire's belly and then trying to locate the baby and inject him without injuring him. This is a very difficult procedure even in the best of settings - especially with a conscious patient and a very awake and squirmy baby rolling around.

After all, Ethan wasn't injecting Claire. He was trying to inject Aaron which means going through the skin and muscles, piercing the uterine wall and THEN getting inside the placenta (without accidentally causing it to tear) AND injecting the baby in a good location (and not like his eyeball or something). Not an easy task. :undecide:

I want to know who was going to preform Claire's C-Section. Juliet said she wasn't a surgeon- I'm guessing a fertility doctor doesn't deliver babys or care for the pregnant mothers after they conceive.

Hmmm... I know some OBGYNs who do some infertility treatment, like artificial insemination. I'm guessing "fertility doctor" may be at least partially a subspecialty of obstetrics.

It's interesting to note though that based on Alex's concern about Claire in ML, it didn't seem that the Others were too worried about Claire's outcome from the surgery. Alex's exact words to Claire were, "You're going to die - they're going to cut him out of you." I don't think whoever was performing that surgery was probably too worried about having a working crash cart.

I do not think that jacks doctor mode was a ruse.. I am in the emergency services section of the workforce and it is second nature. When an emergency happens, I, we, snap into work mode without thinking. A doctor will treat and try to fix without prejudice, it is a calling, not a job.

Maybe Dharma cancelled the research funds because Ben did not produce satisfying results? That would explain the old or broken equipment and that hydra seemed to be abandoned. What if Ben hastily decided to open the station again after new subjects had fallen from the sky and he sees his chance to satisfy Dharma now?

I find it hard to believe Ben purposely "sabotaged" the medical equipment...just to "test" Jack...or Juliette's loyalty. And Ben had no idea Sun would pop a cap in Colleen in the first place.

Very true. They didn't believe Sun would do that. Colleen said so right before Sun shot her. But then, they probably didn't know Sun was defending her unborn child. I think Ben is the kind of person who assesses any given situation and works it to his own advantage.

Alex's exact words to Claire were, "You're going to die - they're going to cut him out of you."

I don't trust Alex. It appears that she is not quite on board with the Others but that doesn't mean she is on the side of the Losties either.

I suspect the Others have better equipment on the big island where they live. It doesn't make sense to me that their hospital would be so far away from their village. I think they may have brought Jack, Sawyer, and Kate to the Hydra Island because of its isolation and Colleen to the Hydra because that's where the doctor happened to be.

Yknow, it just occurred to me that there really should have been working medical equipment at that station! I mean, think about it ..... The "Staff" hatch was very medically advanced and they were prepared to perform a C-section on Claire!

I :cool:


There is a fine line between being prepared for a C-section and a chick getting rushed in randomly with a gunshot wound....

They probably never did need a crash cart for the Zoology hatch.

As far as the human medical stuff, a lot of their more sophisticated equipment was probably taken out by the EMP two days prior.

They probably never did need a crash cart for the Zoology hatch.

As far as the human medical stuff, a lot of their more sophisticated equipment was probably taken out by the EMP two days prior.

MMMMmmmmmm very good point! It's a wonder that they still have other functions available, such as electricity and such.

Btw, how are they being powered?

Any chance The Others took the crash cart apart and used it to deliver the charge in Sawyers cage?

Maybe it broke in the quick move when they had to abandon the medical hatch! :)

We have never been told what happened to the Others during the time they kidnapped Claire and abandoned the Staff. This is a complete mystery to us, so anything could have happened.

Don

I don't trust Alex. It appears that she is not quite on board with the Others but that doesn't mean she is on the side of the Losties either

Agreed; Alex isn't exactly part of the inner circle, is she? We still don't have confirmation that Ethan strung up Charlie (he told Claire that they'd let him go back) or that he broke every bone in Sceve's body. Now, sure, those things probably happened, but I'm not buying this "Others = Total EEEVVVIIILLL" line of thinking. That way madness lies, because when the Losties and Others form an alliance at the end of this season, as I'm 99.9% sure they will, that kind of black/white thinking won't work.

As for the broken medical equipment, look at the state of the equipment in the two Islands' hatches. With the exception of the washer/dryer combo, all of the equipment is 70's/80's in origin. It makes sense that Ben & Co. are working with what they've got, equipment-wise. On the blast door map, there's reference to a AH/MDG Incident of 1985 (the Swan "incident" took place in the 70's) that's also referred to elsewhere on the map, this was probably when DHARMA collapsed on the two Islands. If so, they're working with 20+ year old equipment.

I want to know who was going to preform Claire's C-Section. Juliet said she wasn't a surgeon- I'm guessing a fertility doctor doesn't deliver babys or care for the pregnant mothers after they conceive.

Ethan was one of them, don't know who the others were in the operating room.

Also, in regards to the medical equipment, they had said they never really had any need for it, which would indicate that everyone on the island is extremely healthy and have never had any problems (i.e. heart attacks, diabetes, cancer, etc., etc.) which really suprises me. Of course the island is "magic" and can heal anything that anyone has, to a certain extent.