was anyone else afraid for a sec, that ben was going to tell sawyer they were right by alcatraz or looking at it or somthing..

Nope, not a chance. It had to do with reminding Sawyer that he was on an Island that was a prison and that there were at least two Islands. Also, Ben is King of the Con! He's King Con!

I actually thought for a moment that Ben was showing Sawyer the mainland; since none of the Losties has ever bothered to pace out the island to see what's visible from its various shores, never mind to make sure that it even is an island to begin with.

I actually thought for a moment that Ben was showing Sawyer the mainland; since none of the Losties has ever bothered to pace out the island to see what's visible from its various shores, never mind to make sure that it even is an island to begin with.

The guys on the raft would have noticed if it wasnt an island when they drifted away back in season 1.

Isn't it interesting that Ben is comparing the others island to Alcatraz? I mean I know he was using it to compare sizes of the islands, but alot of imagery comes to mind when thinking of Alcatraz. So, does anyone think that The Others might also be some sort of prisoners as much as wardent to jack, Kate and Sawyer? Also interesting that Sawyers flashback was in prison and ended up working for the warden. On a side note Sawyer looked damn good in prison.

The sharks around the island like in Alcatraz too

was anyone else afraid for a sec, that ben was going to tell sawyer they were right by alcatraz or looking at it or somthing..I did think that too, but only for an instant.

even harder to escape from than alcatraz

I actually thought for a moment that Ben was showing Sawyer the mainland; since none of the Losties has ever bothered to pace out the island to see what's visible from its various shores, never mind to make sure that it even is an island to begin with. I was thinking this briefly as well, when he mentioned Alcatraz. Before he indicated that he was comparing the size, it seemed a bit like he was about to say the island is right next to the mainland.

So no one else thinks that the others might also be prisoners as well as jailers?

So no one else thinks that the others might also be prisoners as well as jailers?
I do, started a thread about it:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=58608

1- I think the others live on the same isalnd as the hydra hatch (ex zoo). In ATOTC we saw that the plane crashed on the opposite island.

2- Based on last night I think it became evident that the Losties island is a prison island. Don't forget all the security systems designed to control the prisoners. It now would seem that "bad" people have been chosen to live on the prison island and the others/Dharma initiative are there to watch their behavior.


3- The prison island appears to be a "magical" healing island as well. If Ben lived there he probably wouldn't have the tumor.

say what??? if there is another island how did goodwin and whats his face run to the crash site??? if there are two islands why did we two areas of smoke from the crash on the same island as the others??? as i havnt seen the episode yet, i really dont know if tptb botched it and made one island into two but i sure hope their not that stupid. humph!:eek2:

The guys on the raft would have noticed if it wasnt an island when they drifted away back in season 1.


I don't get this. I've seen this said so many times in different threads, both here and on the ABC board.

What makes people think that the people on the raft, or Danielle, or whomever would make special mention of another island? I would bet that you can't tell just from passing by the small island (the one the Hydra is on) that there is a station, or cages, or anything at all unusual about it. Just like with the big island, anyone who might pass by wouldn't give it a second thought.

For all we know, there are a lot of little islands like that scattered around, right?

For all we know, there are a lot of little islands like that scattered around, right?

The point was that visually speaking, we've not seen a second or third island before, and the raft was WAY out away from the island, the chances of them seeing a second or third island are very high, unless Dharma was using some sort of cloaking technology or trick to hide them, which I believe they were doing UNTIL the hatch implosion.

I think having the swan implode had changed the nature of the entire situation the losties have found themselves in, but I don't think they know it. I don't think it's overt.

The idea that the Swan actually controlled the cloaking technology, kind of like the lever that keeps the cell doors closed in a prison, and now the lever has been tripped and busted off so the doors can't ever be closed again, is an interesting one.

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Why does it seem that everyone is convinced that Ben has the tumor? and that there really is another island? I can believe the cloaking is a possibility for why no one saw the island, although, with the lack of basic technology it seems far fetched to believe they can cloak an entire island. Ben is too obvious a choice to have a tumor, I think it is Michael and Walt won't cooperate until Michael is cured.

If you were building a dock between two islands, wouldn't you obviously build it in the location the shortest distance between those islands? Why would you set up a ferry system that had to go all the way around an island to the other side? Shouldn't you be able to see Alcatraz from the Pala Ferry dock?

I think that we are reading too much into this Alcatraz reference. I grew up in Oakland, Near San Fransisco. I remember as a child looking at Alcatraz thinking "It's not far away, how come no one escapes?" Not knowing or being able to grasp the real dangers that would need to be overcome like tide, water temerature, sharks, etc, it seemed like a very pretty island that you could see from all around. I think Ben was telling James " It looks harmless, but it is a lot harder to get out of here than you think". Nothing more.
As we are reading into these details, it just dawned on me that so are the Others. In fact, it seems that they get all of their knowledge from books. Perhaps, Ben will be the Birdman ...of Alcatraz.

I don't get this. I've seen this said so many times in different threads, both here and on the ABC board.

What makes people think that the people on the raft, or Danielle, or whomever would make special mention of another island?

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Not sure what you're pointing out, there. Are you agreeing with me, and the pictures show that they did indeed see another island, and as I suggested, didn't mention it because it just wasn't noteworthy? I'm not sure that you guys got what I was saying. The point was that visually speaking, we've not seen a second or third island before, and the raft was WAY out away from the island, the chances of them seeing a second or third island are very high, I'm not saying they didn't see another island. I'm saying even if they did, why would they bother to mention it? Why would it stick out in their minds? They're in the middle of the ocean, why wouldn't they expect to see other islands around?

Doesn't anyone have a link to a screen cap of Danielle's maps that Sayid wanted Shannon to translate? Rumor has it that that map showed several smaller isles. I tried searching at lost-media but I'm not sure what episode it was and their archive is immense! :shrug:

If you were building a dock between two islands, wouldn't you obviously build it in the location the shortest distance between those islands? Why would you set up a ferry system that had to go all the way around an island to the other side? Shouldn't you be able to see Alcatraz from the Pala Ferry dock?

That is a very good observation, Funklord. Yet another reason why TPTB still got lots of 'splaining to do when it comes to this whole "second" island thing. I know some posters don't think its that big of a deal that no one has mentioned seeing another island, but, for me, it's going to be darn tough to swallow if the explanation is just... "Well, no one went to that side of the island..." or whatever. It feels dangerously close to a cheat.

Not sure what you're pointing out, there. Are you agreeing with me, and the pictures show that they did indeed see another island, and as I suggested, didn't mention it because it just wasn't noteworthy? I'm not sure that you guys got what I was saying. I'm not saying they didn't see another island. I'm saying even if they did, why would they bother to mention it? Why would it stick out in their minds? They're in the middle of the ocean, why wouldn't they expect to see other islands around?

First post...

They are on an island, with kidnapping Others, polar bears, invisible monsters, scary smoke and a Frenchwoman that's insane. It's not a safe place.

If they knew of another island, it seems like they would at least try to explore it as a safer option. They don't know that the Others are there, too. At least some of them might want to, like the fight about the caves. Options are options, and when your life is in danger, you look at your options.

Doesn't anyone have a link to a screen cap of Danielle's maps that Sayid wanted Shannon to translate? Rumor has it that that map showed several smaller isles. I tried searching at lost-media but I'm not sure what episode it was and their archive is immense! :shrug:

Check the Lost Wiki (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Rousseau%27s_Maps_and_Notes) :biggrin:

(http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Rousseau%27s_Maps_and_Notes)

here is a link hope it works! http://img178.echo.cx/img178/5789/maptranslated1wx.jpg

Check the Lost Wiki (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Rousseau%27s_Maps_and_Notes) :biggrin:

(http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Rousseau%27s_Maps_and_Notes)

here is a linl hope it works! http://img178.echo.cx/img178/5789/maptranslated1wx.jpgThose are great. Thanks. The Wiki does mention on one of the maps there is an indication that could possibly be another island. :shrug: The wiki is a very interesting read though. Thanks.