Oh man. A Pulp Fiction AND a Steinbeck reference in ONE episode? The writers must have looked up my facebook and dedicated this episode to me.

But seriously..who else was dying when the two cronies were like, "No..right there..like the movie"

and the whole.."1...2...3.."

I just wanted one of them to go:

"What you mean? I got to stab him three times?"

"No you don't have to stab him three times!"

only got part of the episode

Oh yeah! totally Pulp Fiction! Good catch!

I was waiting for one of them to draw a dot on his chest with a magic marker. :biggrin:

Kill Bill doesn't really count considering that they are both works by Tarantino.

Didn't even catch the flux capacitor reference. Now i'm even more geeked out.

But seriously..who else was dying when the two cronies were like, "No..right there..like the movie"

and the whole.."1...2...3.."

I just wanted one of them to go:

"What you mean? I got to stab him three times?"

"No you don't have to stab him three times!"

:biglaugh:Yeah, I noticed that reference, too!

What I especially loved was how the "cronie" was interrupted just as he was about to say the title of the film (ie. "Pulp Fiction"). :biggrin:

... like in the movie Pulp Fiction

get it? ;)

ok- expand on this for me- I get the whole Needle in the Sternum correlation to Pulp Fiction but one of my buddies metioned this via IM last night did I miss more?

just that it takes 3 downward gestures in both shows in order to get enough force to get through the sternum. Its nothing more than that.

This might be a bigger clue than we realize. Those two others were fairly young, so unless they are shipping over DVD and videos, (which would be interesting, but the others seem like they have a larger purpose and wouldn't waste time on Pulp Fiction) or these guys saw the movie before they got to the island. Thoughts?

In the scene where Sawyer is about to get the needle, he is about to put it into Sawyer's chest. But the guy stops him and says, 'No wait, in the sternum, just like they did it in the movi--" Clearly he is saying movie before the other guy cuts him off and says 'I know.'

So, is he referring to an instructional video for administering needles, or is this a reference to a popular film that we should analyze?

Pulp Fiction?

This might mean from an instructional film/videotape that came with either the Staff or Hydra Station.

Pulp Fiction?

thats what i said too but i woould hope that they would watch a training tape and not pulp fiction for their medical advice.

Pulp Fiction?That's the only thing that I could think of.

i thought pulp fiction when i saw it. i had to stop and laugh because i felt the exact same way watching the scene from lost as i did watching the scene from pulp fiction. ewwwww! :eek1:

That's the only thing that I could think of.


I have to agree. I think it was deliberate that they were referencing Pulp Fiction. I think they knew just about everyone would think of that movie, including Sawyer, and that it was supposed to create more fear for Sawyer.

What about The Rock with Sean Connery and Nick Cage? He has to administer a shot to himself AND it takes place on Alcatraz.

Pulp Fiction?

That's what I was thinking too. Do you think they threw that in there to scare Sawyer even more? It made it seem like the guy didn't know what he was doing, almost like it was experimental or something. Just another way for the Others to mess with their heads.

I vote Pulp Fiction, its the first thing I thought of when I watched that scene.

Assuming that the film being referenced was 'Pulp Fiction,' what is the relevance? In the film, a syringe with adrenaline is needed to be injected into the heart to counteract a heroin overdose. In Sawyer's case, he is conscious. What would be the point of injecting something in his heart? Ben said that the pacemaker ploy was a hoax, so this was simply an elaborate charade to "inject Sawyer with doubt" (to paraphrase)?. But then, why tell him the truth shortly thereafter? I am confused. I love this show.

I was confused when I first watched it, and after thinking about it for a while, the two main possibilities that stand out for me are that he's either referencing an 'orientation' style tape, or they're basically just acting, and trying to scare Sawyer as much as possible.
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Assuming that the film being referenced was 'Pulp Fiction,' what is the relevance? In the film, a syringe with adrenaline is needed to be injected into the heart to counteract a heroin overdose. In Sawyer's case, he is conscious. What would be the point of injecting something in his heart? Ben said that the pacemaker ploy was a hoax, so this was simply an elaborate charade to "inject Sawyer with doubt" (to paraphrase)?. But then, why tell him the truth shortly thereafter? I am confused. I love this show.

The way I see it - they had to tell Sawyer he was being conned, because the whole point of the con was to gain his respect. I don't think they were really too bothered about stopping him escaping, because they can manage that perfectly well without a pacemaker, and even if he did get out, there's nowhere he can go.

It could have all been psychological too. Meaning he was intentionally acting incompitant to make Sawyer panic and pass out. Then when he came too, that would be the last thing he remembered and believe that they did really do something to him. Which we all know that they didn't. A bandage, some fake blood, maybe even a fake incision that will come off in a couple of days. They could have even given him a slight flesh wound and stiched it closed. Who knows. The Others seem to be all about mind games and props.

It was SO Pulp Fiction.

Maybe it was like from a DHARMA orientation film...............on medical training.

LOL, nevermind the fact that I busted up laughing when they showed him on the table afterward, and the 'puncture wound' was nowhere NEAR his sternum. I was like... oops, guess he missed. Someone needs to go back and watch that tape again... ROTF.

LOL, nevermind the fact that I busted up laughing when they showed him on the table afterward, and the 'puncture wound' was nowhere NEAR his sternum. I was like... oops, guess he missed. Someone needs to go back and watch that tape again... ROTF.
:biggrin: Lol, yeah, when we were watching that scene we all just looked at each other like, "umm... I'm not a doctor, but..." I think that Sawyer was too concerned with the "surgery wound" and what they were saying about it for that to matter to him.

I'm not sure what it was from (haven't seen Pulp Fiction) but I thought that line was hilarious. The Others relying on what they saw in a movie to perform a medical procedure? That's just stupid! Not that they care what happens to Sawyer...

I hope they meant an instructional film, because they must not know what they're doing if they're talking about doing it the way they did it in Pulp Fiction or whatever. The fact that they totally missed his sternum also probably means they have no clue what they're doing and are just faking it. Or something.

I kind of like the fact that they seemed untrained... it made me think, "Oh man, the Others really are lost without their doctor (assuming Ethan) around anymore... no wonder they need Jack so bad!"

And yes, I thought Pulp Fiction first thing as well. They even counted like in that movie! :roflmao:

I wish they would have had Ben say

"That was trippy.."

I thought they were acting, so they hammed it up my mentioning the movie; they didn't actually do anything to Sawyer, other leave a mark to think he'd been operated on. In fact I thought to put a pace maker in you have to make an incision and therefore he wld have stitches but that wasn't shown?

They had to rely on Sawyer being stupid, and I guess he was. Anyone who has had a pacemaker knows that ain't goin to do it! Here, a shot to the sternum (where was that again?), bandage over a small bloody spot, Hey, you just won a Pacemaker!

They had to rely on Sawyer being stupid, and I guess he was. Anyone who has had a pacemaker knows that ain't goin to do it! Here, a shot to the sternum (where was that again?), bandage over a small bloody spot, Hey, you just won a Pacemaker!

But didn't that just put him to sleep? Once he was knocked out, they could have done surgery on him.

I'm talkin a Pacemaker! I know it's a surgery that takes very little time, but Sawyer had no Pacemaker in his chest!

LOL, nevermind the fact that I busted up laughing when they showed him on the table afterward, and the 'puncture wound' was nowhere NEAR his sternum. I was like... oops, guess he missed. Someone needs to go back and watch that tape again... ROTF.

Actually, look a little closer. They did hit his sternum. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1189&pos=288). There is a band-aid for the shot and the gauze is for the incision made to put the pacemaker in.

Yeah, and when Sawyer pulled off the bandage and saw that little incision, he knew he had been conned!

There is no way the writers would include this without intending the Pulp Fiction reference. Anyone who writes for the big or small screen has studied that movie ad nauseam, if they didn't want a PF connection they would have done the scene differently. I think it was all about psyching Sawyer out but it seems strange that they would feign incompetence in advance of making him believe they had performed major heart surgery. It also seems strange that Sawyer would buy into it so readily. Pacemakers always have an externally accessible battery pack for one thing, they'd also probably have to crack his chest to implant it. That heart monitor thing reminded me of that lame John McEnroe game show , I can't remember what it was called.

I think it was all about psyching Sawyer out but it seems strange that they would feign incompetence in advance of making him believe they had performed major heart surgery. It also seems strange that Sawyer would buy into it so readily. I immediately thought "Pulp Fiction" when I saw that scene. But I don't think it's strange that they would feign incompetence - it's actually pretty brilliant. How terrified would you be if you were tied down and there was a foot-long (?) needle pointed at your chest, and then realize they're not sure how to inject it into you because they saw it in a movie. What a mind screw...

I immediately thought "Pulp Fiction" when I saw that scene. But I don't think it's strange that they would feign incompetence - it's actually pretty brilliant. How terrified would you be if you were tied down and there was a foot-long (?) needle pointed at your chest, and then realize they're not sure how to inject it into you because they saw it in a movie. What a mind screw...

I know it was absolutely hilarious, talk about total freakout for Sawyer :eek2: ...."NO do it like in the movie...NO thats the sternum...one two three"...I guess Sawyer passed out at that stage (forgive me for laughing :roflmao: )

I immediately thought "Pulp Fiction" when I saw that scene. But I don't think it's strange that they would feign incompetence - it's actually pretty brilliant. How terrified would you be if you were tied down and there was a foot-long (?) needle pointed at your chest, and then realize they're not sure how to inject it into you because they saw it in a movie. What a mind screw...

True, it was pretty funny, and I liked the reference being included, but it cast doubt on their medical skills. Overall I don't think it was a clever con, as Ben says, he basically just stayed in line because he was scared they'd hurt Kate.

I know it was absolutely hilarious, talk about total freakout for Sawyer :eek2: ...."NO do it like in the movie...NO thats the sternum...one two three"...I guess Sawyer passed out at that stage (forgive me for laughing :roflmao: ) True -Sawyer probably passed out at that point!! :biggrin: :roflmao:(I would too:eek2: )
True, it was pretty funny, and I liked the reference being included, but it cast doubt on their medical skills. Overall I don't think it was a clever con, as Ben says, he basically just stayed in line because he was scared they'd hurt Kate. I think it meant to cast doubt on their medical skills. He seemed pretty aware of the heart monitor and poured water over himself not because they'd hurt Kate, but because he thought his heart would go ka-boom. :eek2:

SO, do we figure that the others have a film night on saturdays or what? Where and when did these guys SEE the film exactly??

I'm sure it was written in as a joke, but it doesn't stop my geekometer from flashing and my LOST referencing brain from thinking "Hey, wait a sec, that's thier first reference, the first thing they mention, they watch movies??"

Didn't even catch the flux capacitor reference. Now i'm even more geeked out.

I didn't think it was a Back to the Future reference at all. It was a simple lightning conductor to redirect the lightning from hitting Claire's tent. Didn't see how that relates to time travel. It seems Des can SEE into the near future, not travel through it. In BTTF, Marty travels THROUGH time. Big difference.

SO, do we figure that the others have a film night on saturdays or what? Where and when did these guys SEE the film exactly??

I'm sure it was written in as a joke, but it doesn't stop my geekometer from flashing and my LOST referencing brain from thinking "Hey, wait a sec, that's thier first reference, the first thing they mention, they watch movies??"Put the safety on that geekometer, will you please?? :biggrin: It does sound like they've got a bead on pop culture. And yes, I could see it - film night on Saturdays / book club on Wednesdays. Aren't they cultured..

Put the safety on that geekometer, will you please?? :biggrin: It does sound like they've got a bead on pop culture. And yes, I could see it - film night on Saturdays / book club on Wednesdays. Aren't they cultured..

plus Church on Sunday and torture losties on Monday :biggrin: :eek2:

This might be a bigger clue than we realize. Those two others were fairly young, so unless they are shipping over DVD and videos, (which would be interesting, but the others seem like they have a larger purpose and wouldn't waste time on Pulp Fiction) or these guys saw the movie before they got to the island. Thoughts?
From what Tom/Zeke said, "the comms are down", it sounds like they have satellite dishes. They got the World Series broadcast, so they could watch movies too. I bet that keeps the teenagers from getting too restless.

Pulp Fiction!!!

The whole point for this was to make sure Sawyer understands that they are conners too, and they do it better than him, so he would have respect for them and just cooperate, also to start being more careful when he tries to con someone else...like they will always be a step further if he tries something

plus Church on Sunday and torture losties on Monday :biggrin: :eek2: .....Plus pretend to kill bunnies on Tuesdays. So let's see:

Sunday: Church :bigrinan:

Monday: Torture Losties :bash:

Tuesdays: Pretend to Kill Bunnies :bunny:

Wednesday: Book Club :group:

Thursday & Friday: Open for torture or culture-centric events :bash: -or- :artist:

Saturday: Movie Night!:popcorn-chair:

.....Plus pretend to kill bunnies on Tuesdays. So let's see:

Sunday: Church :bigrinan:

Monday: Torture Losties :bash:

Tuesdays: Pretend to Kill Bunnies :bunny:

Wednesday: Book Club :group:

Thursday & Friday: Open for torture or culture-centric events :bash: -or- :artist:

Saturday: Movie Night!:popcorn-chair:

:rotflmao: :rotflmao2: :biglaugh: .....OMG laughed so hard spat my coffee over my keyboard

:rotflmao: :rotflmao2: :biglaugh: .....OMG laughed so hard spat my coffee over my keyboard
I guess I owe you a keyboard then...:biggrin:

I guess I owe you a keyboard then...:biggrin:

Keyboards fine (had to get out the cottonbuds though :biggrin: ) all I can say is thank god it wasn't my laptop ;)

These others are busy folk aren't they....dont you find it amusing that one day they are in a book club and burning muffins and the next they are torturing the losties??? kinda manic behaviour to say the least :eek2:

ok- expand on this for me- I get the whole Needle in the Sternum correlation to Pulp Fiction but one of my buddies metioned this via IM last night did I miss more?

I believe that the person that they were forcing to put the needle in Sawyers chest was the kid that was in the cage before Kate replaced him

Keyboards fine (had to get out the cottonbuds though :biggrin: ) all I can say is thank god it wasn't my laptop ;)

These others are busy folk aren't they....dont you find it amusing that one day they are in a book club and burning muffins and the next they are torturing the losties??? kinda manic behaviour to say the least :eek2: Glad it wasn't your laptop too, I might not be so quick to offer you a replacement. ;) (cottonbuds? :) ...)

Their actions certainly are at odds with their sensibilities... The facade is a cultured, civilized society of people insisting they're the good guys. Yet their actions towards fellow human beings are almost inhuman.

They remind me of a Twilight Zone episode, "To Serve Man". A seemingly benevolent race of aliens comes to earth with a book written in their native, alien language. The title quickly gets deciphered - "To Serve Man". And we go, awww...ain't that sweet, they're here to help us. Finally the rest of the book gets deciphered, and...

it's a cookbook on how to serve people - as food.. "To Serve Man":eek2: