:frown: Is anybody else sick of how Lost is becoming 'The Jack, Kate and Sawyer' show?

I don't dislike any these three characters, but they are not my favourites. I used to like them much more in the early days before their screentime went into overkill. Now I find they are becoming really tiresome to me. I for one really couldn't care less who Kate 'choses'. Both outcomes seem equally dull and undramatic to me. I'd rather see Jack and Sawyer hook up with each other!

I miss Sayid! I miss Hurley! I miss Charlie & Claire! I miss Sun & Jin! I miss Rose! I was missing Eko too (looks like I'm gonna have to get used that one). It's so sad that we barely get to see these great characters anymore.

Most of all I miss Lost being an ENSEMBLE show. The cast has always been big but if you look at Season 1 everyone used to get a fair amount of screentime in those days. It was so much more balanced. What has happened since?!

I'm liking Lost less and less as this sidelining of my favourite characters goes on. Anybody else feel the same? I'm actually losing interest.

Im sick of the J/K/S show too. I miss the days where an episode used to show nearly all characters instead of Jack, Kate, Sawyer and 1 or 2 characters per episode.

I like lost but im sick of never seeing Claire on screen, she appeared in 17/25 in season 1 and 15/23 in season 2. Compared to Jack who has only missed 1 episode over the 3 seasons.

I kind of wish they had smoked Jack in the premier like they said they wanted to. Granted, having a doctor in the show is a great way to keep your other charachters alive, but I got tired of him a long time ago. The simple fact that they were going to kill him off makes this entire "Ben has a toumor, what will Jack do?" think pretty much filler.

If they weren't even going to have the dude survive the pilot episode, him operating on an Other really probably won't have any effect on the over all outcome of the series or any of the confusing mysteries. To me, this plot arc is like 90% of the flashbacks. They don't have anything to do with anything save a little drama and filling another timeslot.

Sawyer I actually really like. Kate is meh. But yeah, I definatly miss the way the first season used a majority of their charachters consistantly. Some people like Claire have been pretty much written into the background for most of the action. I'm sure she will have another plot surrounding her baby, but aside from that she likely isn't going to do much.

Yeah I got sick of the triangle around the second season. They killed Jack and Kate back in Season 1 when they gave them both 3 episodes. However if the previews are not messing with us, that triangle will be over so I'll be really happy. But honestly they are the main characters of the show along with Locke.

i agree 110% with the topic starter, i'm liking other shows more as Lost continues along its current route. right now, HEROES is better than Lost

I agree. Having just them in the first episode is fine, but now it's getting ridiculous and I'm pretty positive they are pretty much all we are going to see next week. People keep wondering if a person's favorite character dies if they'll keep watching. Well, I never really see any of my favorite characters anymore. Two out of the three current "main" characters I don't really like and could care less what happens to them.

Im sick of the J/K/S show too. I miss the days where an episode used to show nearly all characters instead of Jack, Kate, Sawyer and 1 or 2 characters per episode.

I like lost but im sick of never seeing Claire on screen, she appeared in 17/25 in season 1 and 15/23 in season 2. Compared to Jack who has only missed 1 episode over the 3 seasons.

I agree that JKS are getting too much screen time. I can DEFINITELY go a good 3 or 4 episodes without them, and still be interested in them when they come back to their storyline.

Focus on Hurley/Locke/Sayid/Jin/Sun is definitely needed. I don't care for the Claire/Charlie storyline either. I personally feel they are dull characters. I'm actually starting to favor Nikki over both Charlie & Claire. Paulo... eh.

So pleeeeeeeeeeeease to whoever is in charge, focus on the other characters! please steer a little bit away from The Others & J/K/S.

Captain_Falafel, Amen.... That's all there really is to say here... AMEN!!!

I actually like Jack and love Sawyer. Kate, I'm pretty indifferent about. But when they hog all the screen time... they get really annoying really fast.

I also really miss season 1 when we actually got to see all the characters fairly reguraly. Actually, I miss season 1 for a lot of reasons, but that's another thread.

I'd have to disagree with the original post. Although I've been a fan of Sawyer ever since the start, I've always found Jack and Kate intensely boring, but recently I actually want to see more of them. Maybe it's to do with my growing despair with the plots on the original island...

I'm hoping they're hogging the screen because of Kate's decsion and afterwards maybe it will calm down. Oh and btw Heroes is a good show but it will face the same thing as Lost: Great first season but then the second season will be a dissapointment. Happens every time.

I'm actually really keen to find out more about the Others. My gripe is why did it have to be J/K/S with the Others. Yes, yes, I'm sure the reason will be explained soon (but I doubt they'll explain why they let the same characters go in 'Hunting Party') but I feel whatever they come up with the underlying reason is simply that they are the writers favourites and they want to give them the lions share of the story.

There are far more interesting characters that might have been chosen on the Others list. Didn't they want Locke and Eko at some stage? Have they given up on Claire and Aaron? Personally Sayid or Charlie would have been more interesting choices for the captives considering their personal grudges against the Others (and would have compensated for them being short-changed in Season 2).

I might be really enjoying the Others storyline if it weren't for J/K/S. I repeat I do not dislike these characters (apart from Jack who I've always found dull) - they are just such obvious choices. It would have been great if smaller characters were chosen to give them an oppotunity for some juicy drama.

I think the J/K/S were good choices to be taken because Jack is the leader of the losties and with him gone it's interesting to see how the survivors on the beach are coping.

Well, the producers did warn you all summer that the first 6 episodes were going to focus on the Others and the three in captivity. Personally, with the exception of a few of the cheesy "Sawyer in love" scenes I've enjoyed every minute of it. The Ben, Juliet and Jack mind games are some of the best LOST scenes ever in my opinion.

For me, the Jack and the Others storyline has been really good this season. However, I'm not a great fan of the Kate and Sawyer story - I like both characters but I really don't want to see Lost focus on the relationship at the expense of other characters and other plotines. It was a much more interesting dynamic when Kate was essentially independant of both Jack and Sawyer.

I don't mind the Jack/Kate/Sawyer focus of this season because we are getting to see a glimpse of how the others live.
Plus, we are getting to see a softer side of Sawyer.
However, if they never explain the reasoning behind why Kate and Sawyer were digging, then I will be very disappointed.
I cannot wait to see Juliet's backstory because I want to know more about the Others. Ben's backstory would be incredible. "THAT" is the backstory that I most want to see.
As far as Claire & Charlie goes; they are total bores. I'm not missing them one bit.
I am missing Locke, Hurley, Sun, Jin and Sayid though. The rest I could care less about.

Its J/K/S's turn. Its the point in the story when its time to focus on them. I know I'll be glad when its over and I can stop grouping the three of them together though.. :D

The show will move onto other characters and these three will be given a rest and will fade into the background later on. Patience.

Sun and Jin bore me....but I endure them for the greater good and I'm glad they got their episode out of the way early. I do look forward to see more of everyone else though.

I really don't mind the J/K/S story and others not getting camera time because who are we missing? Jin, Sun, Charlie, and Claire? They're boring anyway. It seems like Locke, Sayid, and Desmond got a little group thing going on and I'm assuming the writers will throw in Paulo and Nikki in the group as well. One thing I hope they do in the show is without Jack, and Locke and Sayid are trying to find J/K/S, who will be the leader for the losties on the beach?

Hell I'm a diehard Jater and I'm fed up.
However I don't think its the J/K/S show no, I think its becoming the *ahem* Sawyer show, and I've been thinking it for a long while now.
I can cope with Jack/Kate having lengthy parts since well they are the lead roles of their gender, but Sawyer.
I'm fed up of the triangle too, I just want that to be laid to rest. One way or the other. Despite whether I agree with the outcome or not and move on I'm anxious to learn more about Desmond/Alex and what hapened to Micheal and Walt.

Ih89, are you trying to say that Sawyer is not a main character? I mean I'm not a big fan of Sawyer (although I'm not a hater either) but he is a main character and if Jack and Kate are going, it seems logical for Sawyer to be with them. I just wish Kate wasn't there because I find her VERY annoying

Well I guess I must be on my own here cos I find the likes of Charlie and Sun way more interesting that plain old Jack and Kate. I used to love Kate in Season 1 but her character has really turned so drippy since S2. Sawyers interesting, but he's a little repetitive after a while. Sayid and Locke are the ones I really want to watch at the moment. Desmond is getting interesting too.

I MISS EKO ALREADY!!:bawling: :bawling:

I'm actually really keen to find out more about the Others. My gripe is why did it have to be J/K/S with the Others. Yes, yes, I'm sure the reason will be explained soon (but I doubt they'll explain why they let the same characters go in 'Hunting Party') but I feel whatever they come up with the underlying reason is simply that they are the writers favourites and they want to give them the lions share of the story.

There are far more interesting characters that might have been chosen on the Others list. Didn't they want Locke and Eko at some stage? Have they given up on Claire and Aaron? Personally Sayid or Charlie would have been more interesting choices for the captives considering their personal grudges against the Others (and would have compensated for them being short-changed in Season 2).

I might be really enjoying the Others storyline if it weren't for J/K/S. I repeat I do not dislike these characters (apart from Jack who I've always found dull) - they are just such obvious choices. It would have been great if smaller characters were chosen to give them an oppotunity for some juicy drama.

Agreed!! It is the obvious choice and I would so much rather see other people there, or at least other people there as well.

I see the potential in taking the leaders, but it went absolutly no where. Locke just took over that role and it's obviously not affecting the others on the beach that much. Unless they are making that fruit salad to hide their emotional distress. :rolleyes:

I would LOVE to see Sayid and Charlie in the hands of 'the others'!!! I was so excited by that "If I was one of them" speech Ben gave last season, becuase Ana, Sayid and Charlie, can you even imagine? With grudges like theirs, the others wouldn't stand a chance. And then, big surprise, nothing came of it. Sawyer had potential, just becuase of his attitude, but not enough hate there... and they broke him to easily (but, I'm not even going into that) And don't you just love how they completly dropped wanting Locke, Claire and Aaron... if they want to surprise me, finish a story or two before you move on.

The show will move onto other characters and these three will be given a rest and will fade into the background later on. Patience.

I've been holding onto that very thought for the last two seasons and five episodes... it has yet to happen. And honestly, the day J/K/S fade into the background, is the day my pig takes off flying. :rolleyes:

Don't worry Captain, I'm with you!! ;) :)

I've been holding onto that very thought for the last two seasons and five episodes... it has yet to happen. And honestly, the day J/K/S fade into the background, is the day my pig takes off flying. :rolleyes:

Don't worry Captain, I'm with you!! ;) :)

There have been lots of episodes that didn't involve Jack/Kate/Sawyer. :confused: Of course they aren't cut out completely..the somtimes have small scenes in other people's episodes but there have been eppies where they barely showed up.

There have been lots of episodes that didn't involve Jack/Kate/Sawyer. :confused: Of course they aren't cut out completely..the somtimes have small scenes in other people's episodes but there have been eppies where they barely showed up.

True, but that's only for one episode at a time. For me to consider them "faded into the background" they would have to take the backburner for much longer than that (2 or 3 episodes at the minimum). Maybe not necessarly gone, but not in the A plot line, perferable not even in B. Show them what it's like to get next to none screen time. I get that their the "main" characters and all that, but this show used to be an ensamble show. It used to work just fine to have them be the 'main' characters, and still include everyone else. It used to work. But now they do practically all J/K/S all the time, while I see incredibly little of everyone else, and I for one am sick of it.

Many characters will go a couple episodes without even an appearance, then once they are seen, it's only a few lines or a completely useless 'here's your bone' scene. That's fading into the background. Amoung Jack, Kate and Sawyer at least one or two of them is featured in most episodes. Even if it isn't their's. Claire, Sun, Sayid, Jin and (somewhat) Charlie have faded into the background. They are rarely seen and only used when it's most convient for the plot. Which is not what this show is supossed to be about. And then what do we get in return? More "I love this man!!" / 'who's she going to pick?' cheese. I used to care about the triangle, but now it's been thrown at me so many times I wish she would just pick one, so we can get over it!

The only way I'll ever be interested in J/K/S is if one (or more) of them were to die. *yawn*

I feel sorry for Claire the most. Shes a lovely character and Emilies a good little actress, but Claires role has been woefully reduced - being lumbered with that baby and all! Though she has only only had two flashbacks 'Raised by Another' and 'Maternity Leave' were both cracking episodes.

Yeah, that poor girl has amazing potential to be something much better than she is! Raised by Another was one of my personal favorite episodes for a lot of reasons and Maternity Leave is up there as well. Those episodes are how Lost should be. They had amazing character stuff and amazing island stuff at the same time.
A lot of people blame Emilie's lack of screen time to the fact that she doesn't actually live in Hawaii, which makes sense. But then why don't the writers use her when they've got her. Actually take her character somewhere instead of just having her play mom and Charlie's girlfriend. I be a lot more tolerant of the Jack, Kate and Sawyer show if when we saw the other characters, they actually did something or progressed in some way. It seems like now, they're just plot devices.

*sigh* I never thought I would have such a negative opinion of this show. But I'm loosing faith in these writers fast. If they can't prove to me that they are willing to stand by this ensamble show (a show that was supossed to be all about the great variety of characters) they've created... why should I care to watch. Personally, I don't find the island mysteries interesting enough to keep me watching if they contiune this path. I LOVED season 1 becuase of the great ensamble they put together and how well the characters interacted, and now they are seriously letting me (and many others) down. :frown: :frown: :frown:

I feel sorry for Claire the most. Shes a lovely character and Emilies a good little actress, but Claires role has been woefully reduced - being lumbered with that baby and all! Though she has only only had two flashbacks 'Raised by Another' and 'Maternity Leave' were both cracking episodes.

They are my favourite two episode's of lost. Ok im a Claire fan but still they were brilliant episode's and they both got good reviews from the audience. Then you have people come along and say that she is boring. I don't find her boring but i can see where they are coming from. The writers have her at the stage where she is an airlume for Charlie.
The writers seriously need to up her airtime or people will lose interest in Claire altogether.

Also when Claire and Michael were taken by the others we heard nothing of them for ages and ages. Jack, Kate and Sawyer get taken and they still get 70% screen time. Ok i know its kinda different situation but then again.
I'd love to go a few episodes without Jack, that would be great.

Well you guys do know that there is less Jack and there will continue to be less Jack because Matthew Fox wants a break right? As for Claire, I agree her two episodes were interesting episodes but that's credit to the writers, not her character. I mean all she has is taking care of Aaron and a relationship with Charlie. But yeah at the same time Jack, Kate, and Sawyer don't have that much to offer either. I would really like to concentrate on Locke's team (himself, Desmond, and Sayid-probably Paulo and Nikki will tag along too) trying to find J/K/S.

I hope that when and if Kate makes her choice between Jack and Sawyer that some of the focus will shift to the rest of the cast. I used to care about the "trio" but now I just don't give a damn. The Others can kill Kate and Sawyer and I won't care.

They better not hurt Jack though. I like Jack. :redface:

Seriously though, the show was presented as an ensemble from the start. We could expect a fair amount of screen-time for everybody. It all changed in season 2 where that rule only seemed to apply to Jack, Sawyer and Kate. The tree frog storyline for Sawyer??? Couldn't they have given the B plot to someone else instead?:rolleyes: I think it would have been different if, from the start, it was presented as the J/S/K show. But it wasn't... it was an ensemble. That was our expectations for season 2. We expected our favorites (if our favs weren't J/S/K) to get their fair share of screen-time and they didn't. We waited, and they still didn't get any scree-time. And season 3 has been worse! :mad:

I'm really hoping that it's all going to change after the mini-season. If not I might wait for the dvds.

Also when Claire and Michael were taken by the others we heard nothing of them for ages and ages. Jack, Kate and Sawyer get taken and they still get 70% screen time. Ok i know its kinda different situation but then again.
I'd love to go a few episodes without Jack, that would be great.

A Lost fan after my own heart I see :biggrin:.

I must admit when the Others were bundling off J/K/S at the end of Season 2 my first thought was 'YES! Take those three away for a while! Give the other characters a chance!' Then I heard that S3 was going to focus largely on the Others it clicked that this would mean even more J/K/S.

Personally I think 'Further Instructions' has been the best ep of this mini-Series. It was like vintage Lost. Much more character-driven, funny dialogue, trippy moments, polar bears and a good old fashioned island trek. Oh, and only a tiny bit of J/K/S. Works for me!

A Lost fan after my own heart I see :biggrin:.

I must admit when the Others were bundling off J/K/S at the end of Season 2 my first thought was 'YES! Take those three away for a while! Give the other characters a chance!' Then I heard that S3 was going to focus largely on the Others it clicked that this would mean even more J/K/S.

I was thinking the exact same thing. 'Let the Others whisk those three away! That's the only way the rest of the cast will really get a chance to be part of the story.'

Unfortunately, it didn't work that way. And I have very low expectations for this mini-season finale. But I am glad to see not everyone gives a care about who Kate's going to choose. You all give me hope that I'm not crazy for hating that stupid subplot.

Well you guys do know that there is less Jack and there will continue to be less Jack because Matthew Fox wants a break right? As for Claire, I agree her two episodes were interesting episodes but that's credit to the writers, not her character. I mean all she has is taking care of Aaron and a relationship with Charlie.

I think that's exactly the point. The writers never give her anything to do except those two things. I know Aaron's young and needs her for several reasons, but she doesn't have to be removed from him completely. What about something that only takes up a little bit of island time, so that she can get back to Aaron. It worked in Maternity Leave. If the writers except me to care for her character at all, they need to give her a break from Aaron and Charlie and actually do something with the character.
Similar stories with all the forgotten characters

Also, serious question here. When is this break Matthew Fox wants happening? Not now is it? Becuase I don't see him as getting any less screen time, except for in Further Insturctions and I guess he only had two scenes in Every Man for Himself. Is this something that's supossed to take place after the break? Becuase if this is what they're calling 'less screen time' we have a bigger problem than I thought.

A Lost fan after my own heart I see :biggrin:.

I must admit when the Others were bundling off J/K/S at the end of Season 2 my first thought was 'YES! Take those three away for a while! Give the other characters a chance!' Then I heard that S3 was going to focus largely on the Others it clicked that this would mean even more J/K/S.

Personally I think 'Further Instructions' has been the best ep of this mini-Series. It was like vintage Lost. Much more character-driven, funny dialogue, trippy moments, polar bears and a good old fashioned island trek. Oh, and only a tiny bit of J/K/S. Works for me!

Lol.. :biggrin:

My favourite ep's have been The Glass Ballerina, The Cost of Living and Further Instructions.. the 3 of the 5 episodes that least showed J/K/S.
I also think that the first episode of the season could have been more powerful if they didn't have a Jack flashback. It's his 6th and with all the material we've gotten out of the 6 you could probably merge them into 1 and a half episode flashbacks.

I am not as pissed off with Jack's storyline in season 3. Its more relevant than all the stories he got in season 2. For example, the army that never was, the trek to get Michael that was practically a waste of time, we had to sit in agony watching jack's flashback and then we get a 3 minute glimpse of the others. Then Jack gets mad a Kate. Then in Lockdown we were force fed a poker game which dun dun dun involved Jack, Kate and Sawyer and after that we had to go through more of Jack as he went off on his trek with Kate.

I think that's exactly the point. The writers never give her anything to do except those two things. I know Aaron's young and needs her for several reasons, but she doesn't have to be removed from him completely. What about something that only takes up a little bit of island time, so that she can get back to Aaron. It worked in Maternity Leave. If the writers except me to care for her character at all, they need to give her a break from Aaron and Charlie and actually do something with the character.
Similar stories with all the forgotten characters

Also, serious question here. When is this break Matthew Fox wants happening? Not now is it? Becuase I don't see him as getting any less screen time, except for in Further Insturctions and I guess he only had two scenes in Every Man for Himself. Is this something that's supossed to take place after the break? Becuase if this is what they're calling 'less screen time' we have a bigger problem than I thought.

If the writers can come up with 6 flashbacks for Jack im sure they can make a little storyline for Claire. But will they is the question? Probably not, Claire's next flashback episode will probably be pushed back so we can see a flashback in which Jack has a fight with his father or Sawyer gets conned or Kate is on the run.

I am not as pissed off with Jack's storyline in season 3. Its more relevant than all the stories he got in season 2. For example, the army that never was, the trek to get Michael that was practically a waste of time, we had to sit in agony watching jack's flashback and then we get a 3 minute glimpse of the others. Then Jack gets mad a Kate. Then in Lockdown we were force fed a poker game which dun dun dun involved Jack, Kate and Sawyer and after that we had to go through more of Jack as he went off on his trek with Kate.

That is true. His stuff is much more relevant this time around. I will give him that. I actually really do like the interactions with Juliet and all that stuff. But tell me, why do Sawyer and Kate have to be there? Maybe it'll be reveled later, or even better, Wednesday, but at the current moment, I see no point. Except to force feed us more triangle cheese. I'll take it all back, if they give me a really good reason for those two Wed, but honestly... I don't have high expectations either.

If the writers can come up with 6 flashbacks for Jack im sure they can make a little storyline for Claire. But will they is the question? Probably notYup, probably not. I agree completly though! I hate it when people tell me there's just more to Jack's story. That really just seems like an excuse. They're the writers and they have the power to write whatever for whoever. They just don't write for half their characters. Don't ask me why. Somewhere around season 2 they became lazy? or stopped caring about them? I don't know, but whatever their reason, someone needs to go remind these people why they started writing this show in the first place.

Jack used to be in a lot of scenes in every episode now he's only in one or two an episode. I didn't say Foxy was leaving the show, he wanted a break from the work so they're taking his scenes down. It wouldn't make a lot of sense for the main character of the entire show to just dissappear.

Also the reason they write so much for J/K/S is because the fans (not saying all the fans but a good number of the average viewer) is interested in them more then Claire or Charlie, etc. Now I completly understand and agree with you guys about J/K/S flahbacks, they're always the same. But you do have to remember that's their characters. I think Locke has the best flashbacks out of anyone but no matter how good they are it's always about how he was a pushover and is easily manipulated. Anyway back to Claire, one reason she was not in a lot of Season 2 is because I beleive at the time she was filming two movies so there's one reason. Also for her flashbacks, I guess we could see her life before she got pregnant or whatever but really I can't see her doing much before it repeats like J/K/S and really Maternity leave for me was only interesting because of the on island flashback (and because of Alex, which I'm so glad she's gonna get more camera time this season!) not her acutal character. But I do agree something for her to do without Aaron or Charlie would be good. But then of course you get the Skater or Jater fans who want more of them. You can never make everyone happy.

Also just a little nitpick: The writers know why they started the show in the beginning. They tried having everyone on the camera for an episode but there are fans who didn't like it. If the majority of the fans want J/K/S and they are the majority of the 16 million watching the show, that's what we get. For me J/K/S are boring right now but I don't beleive Sun, Jin, Charlie, or Claire are that much better. But that's just my opinion because I'm more interested in Locke, Desmond, and Sayid's journey right now.

If the majority of the fans want J/K/S and they are the majority of the 16 million watching the show, that's what we get. You may be right... but lets say 10 millions are interested in J/K/S and they are neglecting the 6 million that are more interested in Locke, Sayid, Charlie and Claire... they are going to lose those 6 million viewers. I think there is room for more balance here.

I just think it's possible to please those 10 million viewers that prefer the J/K/S storyline without alienating the ones that don't, like in season 1. (And I'm under the impression that season 1 is the favored one so far)

You may be right... but lets say 10 millions are interested in J/K/S and they are neglecting the 6 million that are more interested in Locke, Sayid, Charlie and Claire... they are going to lose those 6 million viewers. I think there is room for more balance here.

Exactly. Perhaps it would be fine if this show started out on a premise that it would be all about J/K/S, but shifting the focus doesn't really fly now - not when a lot of viewers have a strong interest in characters outside the trio. And in terms of ratings, I highly doubt the J/K/S majority alone is enough to keep the show on the air.

I'm really hoping with Kate's decsion we'll start to get away from the traingle and get more into the other survivors. I'm not saying the majority of J/K/S is enough to keep the show on the air (Although what do you think 22 million viewers of Grey's Anatomy are looking for?) but it's one of the things a lot of fans are interested in.

Well, some of us love Jack, Kate, and Sawyer and enjoy them alot on our screens. I think Locke has also had his screen time. The ones who have been lacking has been Sayid, Charlie and Hurley (not a big fan of Claire).

Also, if there is a complaint on my end, it's don't waste time on the newbies or even Desmond, and give more time to Sayid, Sun, Jin, Huley, and Charlie. However, that doesn't mean that I want to see less of Jack, Kate or Sawyer.

Frankly, the Jack/Ben/Juliet stuff is great, imo. Some of the best stuff of this new season.

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This is exactly my point. Every fan has their idea on who should get the time (IMO Desmond deserves more time then Jin, Sun, Hurley, or Charlie-he's more interesting) you can't make every fan happy

They were able to do it just fine in season one...

But I guess that's all a distant memory now.

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This is exactly my point. Every fan has their idea on who should get the time (IMO Desmond deserves more time then Jin, Sun, Hurley, or Charlie-he's more interesting) you can't make every fan happy

Yeah, J/K/S fans can survive a couple episodes without them. Desmond/Penelope thing definitely interests me. I initially really enjoyed the fact that Sayid could tell if someone was telling the truth or not, it was like his own little 'special' power... but then, now he's just another tourist on the beach with the rest of 'em. :frown:

More original Lostie screen time except Clair/Charlie. Nikkie is ALMOST getting interesting... I stress... ALMOST.

Jack used to be in a lot of scenes in every episode now he's only in one or two an episode. I didn't say Foxy was leaving the show, he wanted a break from the work so they're taking his scenes down. It wouldn't make a lot of sense for the main character of the entire show to just dissappear.

Okay, I was just asking you a question. Of course I don't want Matthew Fox to leave the show. And I did not think that was what you were talking about. I was just asking if this "break" is now or in Feb when we come back. I'm sorry if my question was unclear, but that's all I wanted to know. Judging by your reaction, I'm guessing it's supossed to be now? Is that correct?

It doesn't seem to me like much of a break. Maybe in comparison to what he usually gets. But, he's still been shown way more than many of the other characters combined. I didn't even know this break was happening, so it's really not that effective in getting anyone else screen time.
I'm certainly not suggesting that I want Jack, Kate and Sawyer to just disapear. All i'm asking for is to even the characters we see each epiosde out. Which then solves the problem you metioned in the preivous post about how you can't please everyone. In season 1, this worked much better, and Cylune makes a great point saying that Season 1 was most people's favorite. Bascially, we would like a return to the good old days when the show focused on more than 4 characters.

Also, a part of my problem is that, I've read article after article of interviews with the creaters that say that this show is supossed to be one about characters. About these diverse people who are thrown into this crazy situation, how do they deal with it? What alliances are formed, and what tensions are formed? I'm not seeing that anymore. That's what I ment by that comment. That is a show I want to watch. And it seems to me that they have gotten carried away with all the 156 mysteries they've formed and have forgotten about the characters. Now it seems they only use them as plot devices.

Im sick of the J/K/S show too. I miss the days where an episode used to show nearly all characters instead of Jack, Kate, Sawyer and 1 or 2 characters per episode.

I like lost but im sick of never seeing Claire on screen, she appeared in 17/25 in season 1 and 15/23 in season 2. Compared to Jack who has only missed 1 episode over the 3 seasons.

Jack is the main character dude

:frown: Is anybody else sick of it?

I don't dislike any these three characters, but they are not my favourites. I used to like them much more in the early days before their screentime went into overkill. Now I find they are becoming really tiresome to me. I for one really couldn't care less who Kate 'choses'. Both outcomes seem equally dull and undramatic to me. I'd rather see Jack and Sawyer hook up with each other!

I miss Sayid! I miss Hurley! I miss Charlie & Claire! I miss Sun & Jin! I miss Rose! I was missing Eko too (looks like I'm gonna have to get used that one). It's so sad that we barely get to see these great characters anymore.

Most of all I miss Lost being an ENSEMBLE show. The cast has always been big but if you look at Season 1 everyone used to get a fair amount of screentime in those days. It was so much more balanced. What has happened since?!

I'm liking Lost less and less as this sidelining of my favourite characters goes on. Anybody else feel the same? I'm actually losing interest.

Jack and Sawyer? :naughty:

I totally agree with you. Jack is my favorite character, but I miss the others (lowercase) and I miss the island... I miss the camraderie of the Losties in the first season, and I miss the mythology of both seasons one and two. This whole "this is the year of less mythology, and more romance and adventure" thing isn't cutting it for me... After all, what is LOST without its mythology?! It doesn't even feel mystical, anymore (Eko's fatal brush with Smokey notwithstanding). Hell, it's bordering on being downright soap opera-like.

Plus, Kate's character has changed this year (IMHO). She's gone from a feisty, strong-willed survivor, to a weepy, love-struck (with Sawyer?!) victim. The Kate I know and love would never behave this way. (Then again, the Kate I know and love would've picked Jack...)

I miss the camraderie of the Losties in the first season, and I miss the mythology of both seasons one and two. This whole "this is the year of less mythology, and more romance and adventure" thing isn't cutting it for me... After all, what is LOST without its mythology?! It doesn't even feel mystical, anymore (Eko's fatal brush with Smokey notwithstanding).

Personally the 'mythology' almost completely disappeared for me when I saw The Other's 'bookclub' and nice little village. It was my "WTF" moment of S3.

Agree with most of the points brought up in the thread. I'm still there, but a good deal of problem I see as well is they spent the first season defining these characters personalities through interactions with each other. With each other. It was a carefully crafted piece by piece slow reveal that was fascinating and addicting to watch. It was genuine. Good drama, humor, and often tension from the unpredictability of the situation.

How would Jack get the medicine from Sawyer? Would Sun reveal her English and how would Jin react? What does Locke know? What happens when you put Jin and Sawyer on the same team? Or Locke and Jack? etc. oh and yes Kate was a more nuanced character when acting individually as well as seperately with both Jack and Sawyer. A constant flux of interpersonal conflicts and resolutions generously mixed with an island's mysteries was magic.

Now that dynamic of constant interactions feels muted. And yes, part is due to the weighted screen time of J/K/S. I say mix it up some more. The whole love triangle was well set up before but it's starting to get contrived and sappy in places. I'm hoping I'm just seeing things because Sawyers my favorite character. Also, when there actually are appearances by the originals it's often a head scratcher because they often say and do things that are completely different than what was previously created interaction by interaction. That's where I see this disjointedness come in. I like the characters and personalities that were originally crafted. If you're not going to answer all the questions started, at least keep the characters consistent and in character. And do that by committing to the ensemble cast that was created.

Personally the 'mythology' almost completely disappeared for me when I saw The Other's 'bookclub' and nice little village. It was my "WTF" moment of S3.

Yeah... :frown:

I mean, for me, that was a cool moment -- but one of few, so far, this season. And I'm disappointed in the direction that TPTB are taking most of the characters (or maybe it's a lack thereof). I never really watched Alias, but this season of LOST is starting to seem more like the little I did know of the show; it seems like it's lost (pardon the pun) its magic (literally), and is just settling in to be like any other action/adventure drama. It doesn't feel special, anymore.

:crybaby:

I have to disagree with these original comments. J/K/S are part of a major plot thread right now - THUS the significant screen time. These characters obviously have a huge role in the overall point of the show. There is a huge transition going on right now between the Losties and the Others and J/K/S are the focal point. Everyone else is still there and will still be intregal to the show, but right now ... DEAL!!

I think it's entirely possible that the Others are shaping up to be an irrelevancy; they may just be another layer in the onion, perhaps with a few answers, but not in control of things in any real way. Mr Big is elsewhere I suspect (like Season 4!)

:frown: Is anybody else sick of it?

I don't dislike any these three characters, but they are not my favourites. I used to like them much more in the early days before their screentime went into overkill. Now I find they are becoming really tiresome to me. I for one really couldn't care less who Kate 'choses'. Both outcomes seem equally dull and undramatic to me. I'd rather see Jack and Sawyer hook up with each other!

I miss Sayid! I miss Hurley! I miss Charlie & Claire! I miss Sun & Jin! I miss Rose! I was missing Eko too (looks like I'm gonna have to get used that one). It's so sad that we barely get to see these great characters anymore.

Most of all I miss Lost being an ENSEMBLE show. The cast has always been big but if you look at Season 1 everyone used to get a fair amount of screentime in those days. It was so much more balanced. What has happened since?!

I'm liking Lost less and less as this sidelining of my favourite characters goes on. Anybody else feel the same? I'm actually losing interest.

I hope you realize that the 15-22 female demo they target loves the ships. Oh boy they are all so pretty. I mean look at the mammoth thread about who will Kate choose. It isnt going to change anytime soon. Well maybe when the ship starts sinking fater than it is now.

Look at the ratings PTB. Your little love story BS isnt selling as well as you thought. The people who loved the show for mystery and intruige have left for other shows cause you ruined all that for LOVE.

I partly agree and disagree with the original topic here - the reason I personally loved season 1 so much was because nearly every episode handled all these characters so perfectly within the boundries an episode had I didn't even have a favourite character - I enjoyed all of their storylines.

For season 2 the problem initially was that there were 2 or even 3 groups of people - the ones in the hatch, the ones on the beach and the rafties and if the writers wanded to focus and tell a meaningful story about either, they had to make sacrifices on the cost of the other groups stories. Same thing seems to be happening here this season too, but personally, except for the beach where not much seems to be happening, I think the stories are actually handled quite nicely.

That said I am looking forward when we'll see less of the love triangle and (hopefully) return to episodes where everyone will have something to do. Maybe they'll even manage to make Nikki and Paulo interesting and sympathetic :biggrin:

Hopefully they will use the hiatus to re capture what was once so intriguing about the show. I too have "Lost" interest the show is no longr a must see and the mythology has come to be meaning less.

I liked the JK&S storyline for a bit, but now it's like "Just choose someone already!"

I mean if that's going to be the cliffhanger for tommorow i'll shoot my tv, and possibly myself. Not that I want to know, I just want that whole "who's Kate gonna chose" storyline to come to a close.

I agree that the heavy emphasis on Jack, Kate and Sawyer is wearing thin. But I am also puting my trust in the writers and I hope that this is just something that's going to last for this "mini-season."

When the show returns in February I'm hoping to see a better balance of coverage of the characters, and also a lot of coverage of the Others, incluing hopefully at least a couple of Others flashbacks.

Let me ask this question: Why do you even watch the show?

Honestly, I've seen so many topics about how the show has lost your intrest and how it's jumped the shark, etc. Why do you even watch it? I mean if you know when you watch and episode of Lost that you're going to be dissapointed why do you watch? I personally love the show, has it changed from season one? yeah and it should change, if it stayed the same I wouldn't like it. I do agree they need to focus on other characters and give a little more anwsers but I would just like to know why you guys watch if you're so dissapointed? I'm sure you've heard this question before but I'm just curious because I've never been to another TV board where most of the topics are about how they DON'T like the show.

Let me ask this question: Why do you even watch the show? Because I know how great it can be. That 5 seconds of Charlie & Claire interaction per episode is worth enduring 40 minutes of Jack/Kate/Sawyer. And I'm an eternal optimist... I believe the show is going to focus on my favs (Charlie, Claire, Sayid) soon. So I keep watching.

And I believe I have the right to complain about a *perticular* aspect of the show. Doesn't mean I don't like the rest.

I totally agree! Though loving J/K/S I am really tired about watching them being reduced to the triangle. I want to know what the others are up to much more than which man Kate loves. So I am disappointed about the season so far except of Further Instructions. That is what I want to see: Mystery and island exploring especially with the new John Locke who has always been my favourite character.

Jack is the main character dude

That's news to me.

That's news to me.

Yup, he is.

Also, I don't believe there is a ship going on with regard to Jack/Kate/Sawyer in Season 3. The episodes I have been watching this season have Jack enduring something completely separate from Kate and Sawyer. It's not like he's pining away for Kate. His storyline is more about him, Ben, and Juliet and the psych games they are playing, which frankly, I'm loving.

Kate and Sawyer have become a little redundant, and I don't really care if they hook up (he's a wrong choice), but I'm still going to be watching. Also, part of the problem with a big cast like this is that you can't showcase all of them. I do agree that I would like to see more interaction of the cast, and I'm sure the writers are getting an idea of the discontent from fans. I'm sure things will change next year where they'll will be more cast interaction.

I wish people would stop comparing everything to Season One. NOTHING is going to match the magic of Season one. The writers are going to experiment, add new actors and characters, add more mysteries, and answer some questions. Some viewers will like it and some will hate it. For this fan, Lost is still the best show on television for originality, cast, visuals, sci-fi, drama, etc.

Also, the ratings are NOT bad. For heavens sake, the show was averaging 18 million in the first season, and just last week it was 17.1, this week it's 16.1, and who knows what the ratings will be for the fall finale. The ratings are fine, the demos are spectacular, and the show is still great.

Well, that's my rant.

No, sadly, it will never be as good as season 1. I watch enough TV to know that's inevitable. However, most show's I watch run out of plot ideas as they go, but they still keep their characters at least somewhat consistent. Lost has not done that, in my opinion. These characters, even Jack, Kate and Sawyer have gone in 12 different directions (such as what Teeveesbella mentioned about Kate becoming less strong and more sappy, such a horrible, sad trade that has made me completly uninterested in the character I used to like). The characters don't make sense anymore. Plus, in season 1 the spread of the characters made sense. Even the 'lesser' characters got a fair amount of screen time.
That's why I compare to season 1. Becuase in season 1, the characters worked, now they don't. It's not just that it's slacking or not as good... I don't think it works at all as well as it did season 1. And, in my opinion, that's a bigger problem than running out of ideas plot wise.

Also, Ditto what Cylune said. I still watch becuase I remember a time when this show was amazing and I'm still holding on to anything I can that it will return to that. Plus, there are many things I do like about the show now. Jack's story line I actually find very interesting as well, and of course a certain threesome (not J/K/S) I adore :smile: . Those are just two examples. This is just one big problem I'm having with the show. But, I still look forward to it every week.

Well said TL. The characters have in many cases been painfully inconsistent. That should be corrected. There are still plenty of events to follow. Just up the interactions and dialogue between the other characters. And of course it doesn't have to be reduced to two choices of love it or hate it. This show from day 1 has always generated praise, complaints, and opinions from all side. I think most of us learn from reading different viewpoints. That's one of the reasons this board exists.

No, sadly, it will never be as good as season 1. I watch enough TV to know that's inevitable. However, most show's I watch run out of plot ideas as they go, but they still keep their characters at least somewhat consistent. Lost has not done that, in my opinion. These characters, even Jack, Kate and Sawyer have gone in 12 different directions (such as what Teeveesbella mentioned about Kate becoming less strong and more sappy, such a horrible, sad trade that has made me completly uninterested in the character I used to like). The characters don't make sense anymore. Plus, in season 1 the spread of the characters made sense. Even the 'lesser' characters got a fair amount of screen time.
That's why I compare to season 1. Becuase in season 1, the characters worked, now they don't. It's not just that it's slacking or not as good... I don't think it works at all as well as it did season 1. And, in my opinion, that's a bigger problem than running out of ideas plot wise.

Well, it's only been five episodes, and there's still alot of story left to tell on Lost this season. I don't believe that the characters have gone in all different directions or that their actions don't make sense. I think some things just haven't been revealed to us yet. I still think that something might have happened to Kate from the time she left Ben's breakfast table to the time she was brought to the cage. I guess time will tell. Like I said, it's only been five shows. Maybe some of your worries will be calmed when the show resumes in February.

Also, Ditto what Cylune said. I still watch becuase I remember a time when this show was amazing and I'm still holding on to anything I can that it will return to that. Plus, there are many things I do like about the show now. Jack's story line I actually find very interesting as well, and of course a certain threesome I adore :smile: . Those are just two examples. This is just one big problem I'm having with the show. But, I still look forward to it every week.

I totally agree with you on that point. LOVING Jack this season (and the past two also). I, too, look forward to it every week.

Yup, he is.

I was always under the impression that Lost was an ensemble piece, but I admit I could have missed something that TPTB might have said on the subject.

No, sadly, it will never be as good as season 1. I watch enough TV to know that's inevitable. However, most show's I watch run out of plot ideas as they go, but they still keep their characters at least somewhat consistent. Lost has not done that, in my opinion. These characters, even Jack, Kate and Sawyer have gone in 12 different directions (such as what Teeveesbella mentioned about Kate becoming less strong and more sappy, such a horrible, sad trade that has made me completly uninterested in the character I used to like). The characters don't make sense anymore. Plus, in season 1 the spread of the characters made sense. Even the 'lesser' characters got a fair amount of screen time.
That's why I compare to season 1. Becuase in season 1, the characters worked, now they don't. It's not just that it's slacking or not as good... I don't think it works at all as well as it did season 1. And, in my opinion, that's a bigger problem than running out of ideas plot wise.

Also, Ditto what Cylune said. I still watch becuase I remember a time when this show was amazing and I'm still holding on to anything I can that it will return to that. Plus, there are many things I do like about the show now. Jack's story line I actually find very interesting as well, and of course a certain threesome I adore :smile: . Those are just two examples. This is just one big problem I'm having with the show. But, I still look forward to it every week.

Yes, have faith in this show. I feel that come February, it'll be the BEST season yet, behind only the amazing season 1. I'm excited. Too excited. Hope we're not let down!

Hopefully they will use the hiatus to recapture what was once so intriguing about the show.

Um--shooting of eppys CONTINUES, even as I type!

They've been working on Eppy 8, and, I suspect, some of Eppy 9 is in production, too. By the time they break in mid-December, they should have at least 12-14 eppys in the can.

So if any "recapturing" is to be done, it had better be being done now.

ok, interesting

I wasn't trying to say that you have no right to complain, I believe this board is made for both. It just seemed so negative here. Glad to see while some do not like some things they still like other things in the show. And I agree I think the show is really going to pick up when it comes back. I never thought Lost did well in the very beginning of the season anyway.

Funny--I thought the first eppys of last season were outstanding (except for the Michael FBs), and the first eppys of Season 1 just blew me away!

But then again, there's the wide variety of opinions here at work! :thumbsup:

Well, it's only been five episodes, and there's still alot of story left to tell on Lost this season.

Oh, I know. Another reason I hang on. I was actaually talking about begining in season 2, though. I guess I didn't really say that, but that's what I ment. I thought somewhere in season two we stopped seeing all but a few of the characters and everyone else got pushed to the background. Just five episodes wouldn't cause me to be so upset about it.

Perhaps you're right that we just don't have enough information, but I wish if that's the case, that they would revel those things to us. So many of the characters have done things that just don't makes any sense to me.... it's driving me crazy :redface: :)

LightmeDark, I belive Jack is supossed to be the "main" character. It is supossed to be an ensamble show, but with such a huge cast, you do have to have a main one or two. Jack is one of those "main"s.

Is it true that tonights ep 'I Do' is just J/K/S and the Others??

I've heard that it is. If so, that sucks. J/K/S have featured in every episode this mini-season (even slipping into Lockes hallucination in FI) while other characters have only been in one or two!

Will we not get to see my poor Ekos funeral till next year?

Is it true that tonights ep 'I Do' is just J/K/S and the Others??

I've heard that it is. If so, that sucks. J/K/S have featured in every episode this mini-season (even slipping into Lockes hallucination in FI) while other characters have only been in one or two!

Will we not get to see my poor Ekos funeral till next year?

This isn't spoilery but im going to put it in spoiler font just in case..

In the preview there is a bit between Sayid n Locke. So im guessing we'll see Eko's gang as well as J/K/S and them.

Looks like we wont see the beachies though.. that being Sun, Jin, Hurley, Claire n Charlie.

Oh and you can add me to the list of ppl who said they continue to watch the show and sit through 40 mins of jack for a few glimpses of the other characters.

Lost is still the best show on television for originality, cast, visuals, sci-fi, drama, etc.


Actually thats all about opinion so you cannot state it as fact. I think that Heroes is the best show on telly now but does that mean it really is?

As for the best visuals I really hope you dont mean CGI cause man that polar bear and black smoke monster were pretty brutal

LightmeDark, I belive Jack is supossed to be the "main" character. It is supossed to be an ensamble show, but with such a huge cast, you do have to have a main one or two. Jack is one of those "main"s.

I guess I can see that, and perhaps I was being a little flippant and unreasonable. I just don't like seeing him designated the main character (though I rather like the character). Other ensemble shows I've seen (granted, not many as I don't watch TV much) have bigger players in the ensemble cast, but none of them are ever the main character (or maybe I've just been ignorant of it, which wouldn't be surprising ;)).

I feel sorry for Dom too. I remember him saying in 'Lord of the Rings' lots of his Merry scenes were cut down and saved for the extended DVDs. Now the same thing is happening to him in 'Lost'.

When he is used it is just for comic relief! Now Dom's a funny guy with a great sarcastic delivery, but he can handle meaty dramatic stuff too. Him and Jorge could do with some gritty storylines (like they had in season 1), I'd love a trek/adventure with just Charlie and Hurley!

so.... my expectations for this episode just dropped. I don't read spoliers, but that doesn't sound good. This episode had better be pretty freaking amazing if they want me to not complain the entire 13 weeks... and beleive me... I will :rolleyes:

Actually thats all about opinion so you cannot state it as fact. I think that Heroes is the best show on telly now but does that mean it really is?


Ew, Heroes.

That show has fallen off my radar. First few episodes were awesome, then characters stupidity and reluctance (sp?) to use their powers (yes, I am talking about you, HIRO! Grrr!) drew me away.

If I just found out I could time travel or freeze time. Bet your ***** I'm using that as often as possible...

Lost is THE best. That's not my opinion, just a fact :soapbox:

:frown: Is anybody else sick of it?

I don't dislike any these three characters, but they are not my favourites. I used to like them much more in the early days before their screentime went into overkill. Now I find they are becoming really tiresome to me. I for one really couldn't care less who Kate 'choses'. Both outcomes seem equally dull and undramatic to me. I'd rather see Jack and Sawyer hook up with each other!

I miss Sayid! I miss Hurley! I miss Charlie & Claire! I miss Sun & Jin! I miss Rose! I was missing Eko too (looks like I'm gonna have to get used that one). It's so sad that we barely get to see these great characters anymore.

Most of all I miss Lost being an ENSEMBLE show. The cast has always been big but if you look at Season 1 everyone used to get a fair amount of screentime in those days. It was so much more balanced. What has happened since?!

I'm liking Lost less and less as this sidelining of my favourite characters goes on. Anybody else feel the same? I'm actually losing interest.

Well, I'm not losing interest--I don't see that ever happening for me. And much as I like to watch Sawyer and his sassiness, I DO get tired of the "J/K/S Show", too.

You're right that it doesn't seem like an ensemble show any more, and I DO miss that. It was nice seeing Sayid as a take-charge kind of guy, and he rarely gets more than 2-3 lines any more. Last week was like a breath of fresh air! And we can always see more Hurley--he really helped to make the show fun.

So yeah, I agree with you in many ways. I'd like to see more of the other cast too, and I don't mean Nikki and Paulo.

Any more J/k/s episodes and the show will need to be renamed Melrose Island.

edit: especially if all the new characters look like they just stepped out of a damned magazine or an Old Navy commercial, ala Nikki and Paulo.

I really enjoyed watching tonight's show, watching Jack actually take charge when he had the chance. He's not letting them push him around, yay!
And I am SO glad that Kate has "made her choice" because I'm really tired of the soap-opera part of the show. I want mroe than romance (hell, I don't want any romance, I hate that mushy stuff)...so I hope that all that's over now, or at least pushed to the background.

I don't read spoilers, and I'm sure that we're not going to lose Sawyer, Jack, or Kate, because they are so loved by so many fans. There wasn't a cliff-hanger in that respect, for me. But I do wonder if Jack will be able to pull off his scam--hope so!
Because, again, I don't see Jack letting anyone, not even an enemy, die.
I was rooting for Jack to paralyze Ben, though--that would be poetic justice!

Ps... the show is now officially "lilly white", heck even the Mexican american guy (hurley) is white. Bring back a brother or two!

:frown: Well it looks like the J/K/S show will continue in February along with occasional special guest appearences from Locke and his crowd of extras.

Don't get me started on Paulo and Nikki. Couldn't they have just kept Shannon and Boone? They were useless characters too, but at least they were appealling.

:frown: Is anybody else sick of it?

I don't dislike any these three characters, but they are not my favourites. I used to like them much more in the early days before their screentime went into overkill. Now I find they are becoming really tiresome to me. I for one really couldn't care less who Kate 'choses'. Both outcomes seem equally dull and undramatic to me. I'd rather see Jack and Sawyer hook up with each other!

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There is no real controversy here Captain. Lets look at the scorecard

Sawyer has banged 2 broads.

Jack ....ZEROOOOOOOOOOOO.

Sawyer is so cool and I wanna be like him.

Can't Kate just hook-up w/someone already, and save that kind of daytime drama for daytime? Keep romance/ sex in the show, but move on from this particular triangle drama.

I am not a hater. I am not a nay-sayer. I do not think the show sucks now. I still really like it, but I am over the whole Jack/Kate/Sawyer thing. I think I prefered it when the love triangle was just sort of a potential thing and an undercurrent to the over all plot: You know, Jack and Kate exchanging a meaningful look and then battling a polar bear or something, but now that it is a major plot theme complete with tears, avowals of love and sex scenes....Not into it so much.

Way more interested in what is going on with Desmond and his lady on the outside. If we have to have a love story, let it be that one.

So something hit me a while ago, but I keep forgetting to post it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but with the exception of Sun being shown shooting that girl in the previouslys... Sun and Jin were shown in only one episode the six. That's ridiculious!!

So something hit me a while ago, but I keep forgetting to post it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but with the exception of Sun being shown shooting that girl in the previouslys... Sun and Jin were shown in only one episode the six. That's ridiculious!!
Yeah! So, one of the sweetest, kindest people on the island has just commited murder. Shall we go back to this and show her trying to deal with it? No. Let's see Jack being given some lunch again.

Actually thats all about opinion so you cannot state it as fact. I think that Heroes is the best show on telly now but does that mean it really is?

As for the best visuals I really hope you dont mean CGI cause man that polar bear and black smoke monster were pretty brutal

Of course, it's subjective. Case in point: Heroes is okay, not the best show on television. See?

As for visuals, it doesn't have to be about CGI. They are filming in one of the most beautiful states in the U.S.

I fully concede that the first six episodes have been very Jack, Kate, Sawyer heavy, but since I've really loved the Jack storylines, I've been enjoying Season Three alot. I also like the Others, the return of Locke as the hunter, and a sneak peak at Smokie (whether some considered the CGI poor or not). Overall, the first six episodes were entertaining for me (since I can't be general); some were excellent, one was bad.

Still the best show on television - and that's a fact. ;)

Still the best show on television - and that's a fact. ;)

.....or Heroes is the best show on telly....and that is a fact lol

Alright... here's the winner!

My roommate (who doesn't really watch Lost, except when I do and she's in the room) looks at my picture of the season 3 poster I tore out of a magazine. And says in complete surprise, "Wow, there's a lot of them! I thought there were only a few"

I almost cired :cry:

I have to agree with this thread. :cry:

I don't feel that the bad proportions will continue, but I can't help missing Sayid, Charlie, Claire who seems to be reduced to one-liners, and even Jin!! The scenes we have had are problematic with a wimpy burial for Eko, clues we have already caught, clues Locke should have caught... to add insult to injury, Pikki and Naulo? (((shudder)))
I do like a pinch of romance and I love Jack/Kate relationship and even Sawyer but that is not why I watch Lost. The ration should be more like 5% romance...

With me being a huge Matthew Fox/Jack fan, I appreciate all of Jack's screentime.:) Having said that, I do miss seeing Sun, Jin, Hurley, Claire and even Desmond. I also want to see more of Locke, but I'm surprised I have to say that, because he was so intregral to the plot last season. :undecide:

So something hit me a while ago, but I keep forgetting to post it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but with the exception of Sun being shown shooting that girl in the previouslys... Sun and Jin were shown in only one episode the six. That's ridiculious!!

Well they appeared in Locke's Vision in Further Instructions..

And with the way I Do finished they'll have to finish that story in Episode 7 which means we'll prob go another episode without seeing the other characters. I am loving Season 3 the only problem with it is im not seeing my favourite characters at all and im starting to despise Jack, Kate and Sawyer cause they are taking up all the screentime. Thinking positive i hope TPTB will concentrate more on the other characters in the rest of the season.

I am loving Season 3 the only problem with it is im not seeing my favourite characters at all and im starting to despise Jack, Kate and Sawyer cause they are taking up all the screentime. Thinking positive i hope TPTB will concentrate more on the other characters in the rest of the season.

It would be nice not to feel this resentment towards J/K/S. I used to like them before the writers turned them into screen-hogs.

I am getting a bit tired of them too. Don't get me wrong I am enjoying season 3 but sure do miss the other characters. And Jack has always irritated me a bit.

I personaly really liked season 3 so far. I have to disagree with someone who said that other losties have been captured by the others but we didn't see what happened to them at the time. Now we finally get some answers and i am not going to complain about it. How interesting would it be if we had a few episodes watching the losties playing golf or see Clair babysitting??

I really like some of the other characters too like Sayid, Hurley etc but i'm confident that they will get their screen time pretty soon. The last few episode focused mainly on a single storyline and that's a good thing to get some answers for a change and not random questions here and there. If something is mentioned and then forgotten for a "season", i loose interest and when it comes up again i'm not as eager to follow.

As far as the loving triangle goes, yes it's getting tiresome but it's seems that is finally getting a resolution and we can move on to other more interesting things. If it didn't get the screen time then it wouldn't end and we would have it pop in and out of the storylines all the time.

About Jack i just have to say it. I like him but he is not really that interesting. He's flashbacks are usually boring for me.

Anyway, that's all i had to say.

It is strange how much focus they have given them, isn't it? Its as if Carlton decided that all of the audience was all about the love triangle. Wow, what a awful assumption, lol. Thats not knowing the audience too well, is it?

Poor Locke. Poor Desmond. Poor Eko, Sayid, and even Charlie. I honestly dont get why they made such a big deal out of Locke going to the darker side last season, lose his way, and make such extreme mistakes. The writers kept excusing it as if they were making it into an arc or something. But where did it lead to? That was seriously his big comeback? You could half bake any plotline and still have it be cool, just by bringing back the 'mystical' Locke. And somehow, they even failed at that. You almost have to try to make that a bad story. With Terry's acting skills, and the talented directors, its really hard to make that story uninteresting. But somehow, they did it.

And why exactly did they bring Desmond on as a regular? A character as cool as him is being used as a 'beach bumb' character like Claire or Hurley. Such a waste. Sayid and Locke actually should have had more focus during this mini-arc. Focus on them trying to figure out what happened, and then reveal some mysteries about Island, through their explorations. Meanwhile, they could have kept "The Others" plotline so mysterious and creepy. And technically, stall alot of plotlines with "The Others" but make it look like they weren't.

But instead, they turned one of the most original and compelling TV shows around into something as simple and insulting as any other soap opera on television. I honestly dont think there is any way for them to make sense out of the pointless stories they told in this "mini-arc". Because they have to finish what they started now. They invested too much time into it. And when its over, it wont be worth the time you spent on it.

It is strange how much focus they have given them, isn't it? Its as if Carlton decided that all of the audience was all about the love triangle. Wow, what a awful assumption, lol. Thats not knowing the audience too well, is it?

100% agree!

I for one am really not compelled by the Jack/Kate/Sawyer love triangle. I never have been. Although I prefer Skate to Jate (am I the only one who thinks Kate and Jacks scenes together are the most boring scenes of all?) I find both romances fairly weak and contrived. But then the only Lost romances I have found interesting and believable are Sun & Jin and Rose & Bernard. These characters being married and having an indepth history together just gives them more power and credibility in my view than the pairings who have been thrown together on the island.

Of the other Lostie romances I think Charlie and Claire make a cute couple, but their relationship is adolesant in its maturity. Sayid and Shannon I found unconvincing - same with Hurley and Libby. In both cases it felt like the writers were just putting a male and female character together in a romance because they were both single and in need of a storyline. Obviously TPTB never cared much about these romances as Shannon and Libby were killed off before they got going.

Personally I think it is a shame that Jin/Sun and Rose/Bernard don't have the same shipper hype as Skate and Jate. I personally find their relationships so much touching and I wish they had more focus. They have brought me to tears at times.

Like many here, I am so over the whole J/K/S centric feel of the show recently. I don't care much for Kate or Sawyer already, especially after their contrived sex scene that felt dirty. And Jack, while the hero, is boring when he is too heavily focused on.
I miss the other Losties, I love Sayid, Charlie, Claire, Sun, Jin and Hurley so much, yet we never see them as much. I find their relationships and histories less predictable and much more engaging. The lack of focus on them and the concentration on JKS has alienated a large portion of the fan base.
The show has lost it's ensumble feel, and I just hope we get it back.

I've really enjoyed Season 3 so far, though I can completely understand how people would be sick of J/K/S. Personally, the Sawyer/Kate storyline bores me to tears, but the Jack/Ben/Juliet story more than makes up for it.

Personally, the Sawyer/Kate storyline bores me to tears, but the Jack/Ben/Juliet story more than makes up for it.

Even though I'm not a Jack fan, I must admit Ben and Juliets mind games are terrific.

Even though I have personally enjoyed the heck out of this season so far, I can see where thy have a bit of a problem. I think the upside for the non J/K/S fans is that there will likely be a huge concentration on all the other Losties in the longer upcoming season. I think the size of the cast and the short term of this mini season gave them a puzzle to solve. The only solution was to concentrate on a limited selection of characters. In the longer season to come they will have the space to spread out and do justice to the rest of the ensemble. If the show ever loses its ensemble quality, it will lose its essence IMO.

That said, I have yet to meet one fan in my real life - family, friend or co worker - who has voiced a single complaint about this season. The fact is Jack, Kate and Sawyer are probably the most universally popular characters, for better or worse. I haven't run into anyone who is disappointed in this season or sick of these three characters. But, as always, the offline fandom is never as vehement about any aspect as the online fandome is. All I've run into is a generalized enjoyment with the show as it's been presented the first six episodes and lots of anticipation about what's coming next.

That said, I have yet to meet one fan in my real life - family, friend or co worker - who has voiced a single complaint about this season. The fact is Jack, Kate and Sawyer are probably the most universally popular characters, for better or worse. I haven't run into anyone who is disappointed in this season or sick of these three characters.

Hmmnn...maybe it is different here in England? Lot of my friends who watch it (including casual viewers) have been bored with J/K/S and the love triangle since S2. We Brits tend to favour the underdogs - characters like Locke, Charlie and Hurley are very popular here.

However I still think that you're right about Jack, Kate and Sawyer being generally the most popular characters - I just think it is a shame that TPTB now seem to be catering to the majority and letting down the fans of other Losties.

Hmmnn...maybe it is different here in England? Lot of my friends who watch it (including casual viewers) have been bored with J/K/S and the love triangle since S2. We Brits tend to favour the underdogs - characters like Locke, Charlie and Hurley are very popular here.

However I still think that you're right about Jack, Kate and Sawyer being generally the most popular characters - I just think it is a shame that TPTB now seem to be catering to the majority and letting down the fans of other Losties.

How much of S3 have they shown in Britain? I really hadn't noticed any overemphasis on the triangle back in season two. Honestly, I never really noticed the triangle much at all. It seemed that Season two did a good job of allocating episodes and storylines to all the characters, so it's odd that you find fans already bored with it.

I can empathize with the fans who feel neglected by this season, but if they just hold on, I really do see the tides shifting very quickly in the remainder of the season. I think TPTB, for all their faults, know full well this can never become just the Jack, Kate and Sawyer show.

I don't mind watching Jack since there is intensity there. But I'm bored to tears with Kate and Sawyer and their incredibly silly storyline this season.

It was fairly interesting for me with the first two episodes, who didn't want to know about where they were going and what was going to happen to them at the end of season 2? But i'd agree that they've spent a majority of the episodes just following the love triangle and not advancing any other aspects of the plot.

I don't mind watching Jack since there is intensity there. But I'm bored to tears with Kate and Sawyer and their incredibly silly storyline this season.

I too am bored with Kate and Sawyer. After "I Do" I was actually glad that Kate was getting the hostility that she was from a lot of the fans for making the ridiculous move to sleep with Sawyer. All of the people I have discussed Lost with since then have the same sort of reaction of "what was Kate thinking during that moment?" and it left many fans confused and disgruntled. I have yet to speak with one casual viewer that actually understands this season and the storylines that have unfolded, particularly between Kate and Sawyer.

Enter tigerlily's father. I can't call or go home without him telling me how much he didn't like the show the previous week (well, that's a bit of a stretch, but he says it quite often). I used to just ignore it, but now I see where he's coming from. My mom's actually having similar but different issues. She mostly misses when things were happy. Which I do too. They used to have these great heartwarming moments that don't really occur anymore. Anyways, I've heard pretty much both sides of the story in the real world.

Anyways, I've said this several times before, but I'll say it again. My problem begins not this season, but last season. All but two of my favorite characters (Jack and Sawyer) have been almost entirely pushed to the background. It's not just these last six episodes, for me, it's been going on for a while. I can completely understand the 'mini-arc' thing (even though I don't think that's a good enough excuse to all but ignore over half the cast).
Honestly, I don't think that people who maybe don't care as much about the other characters really understand. They are getting to see their favorite characters all the time, while as us who enjoy others are not. Maybe if the tables were turned and we were watching "The Sun, Jin and Sayid" show instead, those who are big fans of Jack, Kate and Sawyer would understand our frustrations a bit more.

I mean don't get me wrong, like I said earlier, Jack and Sawyer are two of my favorite characters, but the rest of my top five is Charlie, Sayid and Claire and we see so little of them. Jack's amazing battle with Ben and Juliet is just not enough for me when all others are being completely ignored. *Also note that I know I'm generalizing somewhat and I'm sure there are many Jack, Kate, Sawyer fans who are frustrated or at least understand the frustration, but (I'm for the sake of time and space) generalizing.

Maybe if the tables were turned and we were watching "The Sun, Jin and Sayid" show instead, those who are big fans of Jack, Kate and Sawyer would understand our frustrations a bit more.

I mean don't get me wrong, like I said earlier, Jack and Sawyer are two of my favorite characters, but the rest of my top five is Charlie, Sayid and Claire and we see so little of them. Jack's amazing battle with Ben and Juliet is just not enough for me when all others are being completely ignored.

Brilliant points! That is what this thread is all about. I'm sorry if I have encouraged any Jack, Kate, Sawyer dissing along the way. I honestly like all these characters, but I guess I started to resent them a little for taking all the screentime and juicy drama away from the other characters that I like even more. I would also ask the J/K/S fans on this thread who have expressed that the screen-time division isn't a problem to consider how they would feel if it were three other characters who were dominating the show while their favourites were pushed into the background.

Don't you think it would have been difficult to include all the characters given the short time frame they were working with? DIdn't it make sense to tell a smaller, focused story given that limitation?

I think it's also odd, given the sentiments expressed here, that the two episodes that didnt' focus on J/K/S were in fact the two lowest rated episodes. The Cost of Living, which I thought was a great episode, was in fact rated lowest by quite a bit.

I think everyone will be a lot happier with the next batch of episodes. But it is true that the writers have a challenge ahead of them now - to reunite the general audience with the ensemble, which I've always felt was the heart and soul of Lost.

Again, I'm not just talking about the mini season thing. I can understand why they would put the majority of the weight on only some characters. But this has been going on for much longer.

But even saying that, no, I don't think that's an excuse to ignore the other characters to the point of it's completely unrealistic. For example, no one asking Hurley about Michael and how he left the island, not having a real funeral for Eko, no talk or questions about Sun, Jin and Sayid's adventures. I mean these are all things that are just (in my opinion) completely unrealistic. I know they can't show everything, but that's another problem I have with the show. They have so many mysteries and island plot lines that there's no time for good, realistic character interaction, which is what the show was originally supposed to be about!

I agree. Of course i love lost more than almost anything, but its becoming less of a group show and more of a kate sawyer jack show. Dont get me wrong, i love that they throw a bit of romance in there, but it seems to overpower everything else. Get back to the initial story!!! We want other characters to have more time! love lost 4ever and ever. over and out

no talk or questions about Sun, Jin and Sayid's adventures

Yeah that bugged me more than anything. One of the most dramatic events of the mini-season was gentle Sun shooting and killing a woman. Afterwards not only was it not mentioned - we don't even see Sun and Jin in the next four episodes! We completely miss out on how Sun is feeling. By the time Lost returns will people even remember what Sun did?

To me that was a glaring omission, not just something there wasn't time for.

Yeah that bugged me more than anything. One of the most dramatic events of the mini-season was gentle Sun shooting and killing a woman. Afterwards not only was it not mentioned - we don't even see Sun and Jin in the next four episodes! We completely miss out on how Sun is feeling. By the time Lost returns will people even remember what Sun did?

To me that was a glaring omission, not just something there wasn't time for.

You're totally right. This was a glaring omission - along with Hurley not being traumatized by what he'd seen, not filling them all in about the things that had happened with Michael and the captives. It leaves a kind of hole in the heart of the show. I see exactly what you mean.

Maybe in the next group of episodes they will try to fill that all in. I think they can do that. I think a big problem is that, by having J/K/S taken prisoner, they created two venues (exactly like what happened the beginning of last season) and that necessitated moving back and forth between stories in two totally different locations. In the first season, and the last half of the second, they had only one location, where all the characters were. So it was easier to weave characters in and out of each others' stories.

Yeah that bugged me more than anything. One of the most dramatic events of the mini-season was gentle Sun shooting and killing a woman. Afterwards not only was it not mentioned - we don't even see Sun and Jin in the next four episodes! We completely miss out on how Sun is feeling. By the time Lost returns will people even remember what Sun did?

To me that was a glaring omission, not just something there wasn't time for.

Ya and what really bugged me too was that they blamed Sawyer for Colleen's death even though Sun shot her. You'd expect Pickett to go on a revenge mission following Sun, Sayid and Jin on their way back but no they showed us Sawyer getting beaten up several times for it. Im not saying i want them to beat up Sun its just that storyline would have given her more screentime but they just dropped it.

The only episode i really enjoyed was The Glass Ballerina, i was on the edge of my seat with Sun in the boat. It really annoyed me that they finished a Sun/Jin episode with Jack.

Ya and what really bugged me too was that they blamed Sawyer for Colleen's death even though Sun shot her. You'd expect Pickett to go on a revenge mission following Sun, Sayid and Jin on their way back but no they showed us Sawyer getting beaten up several times for it. Im not saying i want them to beat up Sun its just that storyline would have given her more screentime but they just dropped it.

The only episode i really enjoyed was The Glass Ballerina, i was on the edge of my seat with Sun in the boat. It really annoyed me that they finished a Sun/Jin episode with Jack.I'm the opposite. I'm a huge Jin and Sun fan, but I really didn't like The Glass Ballerina, and with the only part I really enjoyed was the Jack and Ben scene at the end. In fact, I think the only parts of season three I truly enjoyed were the Juliet/Jack/Ben scenes, and that's probably not a good thing for an ensemble show.

I think the purpose of the mini-season was to finally put the J/K/S love triangle to bed. Kate made her 'choice' - now they can move on. I was fine with that. I've quite enjoyed the love triangle, but realised it might get stale soon unless it was resolved one way or another, so the producers did the right thing in emphasising it for the mini-season. Now they have cleared the decks and promised more action from the beach.

But even then, I don't get why there is so much concern that the other Losties have been left behind. We had episodes focused on Locke, Sun and Eko in the mini-season.

And let's face it, for the plot to move forwards, we needed to get to know the Others better and have new, likely important charaters such as Juliet involved. And I can't complain about getting more Ben - he's chilling and hysterical in equal measure.

I am most looking forward to seeing more of Sayid and even Desmond in this series, and as we have flashback episodes devoted to them in the upcoming season, I can hardly complain, can I?

They have so many mysteries and island plot lines that there's no time for good, realistic character interaction, which is what the show was originally supposed to be about!

That was the beauty of Season 1. We had continuity. The new plotlines shouldn't be an excuse for overshadowing crucial little details that make continuity. The one scene I was really thankful for that gave a nice bit of continuity and a character reaction was Locke and Sayid's conversation about what killed Eko. I loved it!

I think it's also odd, given the sentiments expressed here, that the two episodes that didnt' focus on J/K/S were in fact the two lowest rated episodes. The Cost of Living, which I thought was a great episode, was in fact rated lowest by quite a bit.

TOTC was bound to do great as the opening, ID was touted as "the best episode ever!" or some such nonsense and it was the last of the mini season. And just because people tuned in, it doesn't mean the mini season didn't leave a bitter after taste in their mouths.

I can say that I was disappointed with not only the lack of the amount of time the rest of the cast was shown, but also with the way that time was dealt with. NIkki and Paulo??? Need I say more? Locke is suddenly stupid? No one but the audience cares about Eko?? Carlton and Damon having to assure us in a podcast that Sun/Jin/Sayid made it back safely to the beach and there are probably some out there who don't know. The idea that the Others taking the "big love triangle" to use them against one another and we get scenes like "sex in a cage" of course Jack conveniently sees this.. Ben playing the sides. After waiting all summer and missing the cast, I felt a little disappointed. I'm normally a J/K/S fan, but this mini season really turned me off toward Sawyer. He gave up way too easily and I'm not looking forward to more sappy lines.I like him rude. :)
I am not so bothered by it all now. I have watched them again with my sisters and the second time around I picked up on a lot of the other little things. I am looking forward to rest of the season.

After waiting all summer and missing the cast, I felt a little disappointed. I'm normally a J/K/S fan, but this mini season really turned me off toward Sawyer. He gave up way too easily and I'm not looking forward to more sappy lines.I like him rude. :)

I miss rude-boy Sawyer too! I like him as an obnoxious scumbag. I can't be bothered with poor sensitive misunderstood Sawyer myself. And I'm sick of Sawyer being used as a punchbag...just because he gets beaten up it doesn't make him a nicer or more noble character.

The mini-season turned me off Kate too. What has happened to the spunky Kate I loved in S1? She has become such an snivelling wet blanket.

The only character who has really improved for me is Jack, who I found rather dull in the first 2 seasons. Jack has become much grittier now. I like that. In fact I would say the Jack/Juliet/Ben triangle has been a waaay more interesting than the love triangle element of S3.

Along with the Ben/Jack/Juliet scenes I'd say the most interesting aspects of the mini-series have been Desmonds powers, the first appearence of Patchy and Eko's last words - all taken from the Beachie side of the storyline. I really hope these things are raised from the B-plot status and become the main focus when Lost returns in February.

The inability to effectively use the entire ensemble has been a problem since mid Season Two when the show made its ill advised tilt towards becoming The Jack Show. It is going to take a concerted effort in the next batch of episodes to revive our investment in all the characters that have been so long neglected.

However, there's no way to discuss this without noting the impact of the scheduling situation. The short span of the first bank of episodes forced them to focus on a short story, and I think the entire Alcatraz arc was very engaging. Offline I've met not one person who was discouraged by it - Kate, Sawyer and Jack are incredibly popular characters after all. In fact, it may have been better to ignore the beach story entirely rather than give it the short shrift it ended up with. That felt very unsatisfying.

By the same token, the length of the next arc should - theoretically - work very much in the favor of the beach gang stories. The love triangle has ended, so that story won't be eating any more time. And they can finally stretch out and luxuriate in this magnificent cast and the colorful stories that have all been put on hold. There's no returning to Season One when Jack was only another survivor in a full ensemble, just like there's no returning to static characterizations like "scumbag Sawyer", but I think any fan who is willing to go with the storyteller's flow is going to have a LOT to enjoy in the coming months.

I kind of agree that they probably would have been better to leave the beach alone. What we got was so out of place and out of character. It was exactly as you said, unsatisfying. If they had done that, finished up the captivity thing before the break, then spent the majority of the time at the beach the rest of the show (showing Jack, Kate and Sawyer's return in there too), that may have gone off better. Then we would have time to show Sun, Jin and Sayid's return; Have a proper funeral for Eko; Show Hurley morning Libby; People wondering about Michael and Walt and a proper send off for the hatch (becuase we still don't really know much about what happened to those inside). I think I would have liked that better. Because even though it would have ment not seeing most of my favorite characters until February, at least it would have have done right.
Jack's story with Ben and Juliet would have kept be sane during that time period and I think I could manage without the others. I do agree that the mini-series ruined Kate and Sawyer -Although Kate was on her way to destruction before- at least Jack, Juliet and Ben were really good!

Gallivant, my main concern is that when we do see these other characters (which really isn't all that often for some of the forgotten ones), they're out of character and unsatisfying. Also, as I've said before, this is a problem I've had for a while. Not just the mini-season. Since the second season, certain characters have regularly had surplus amounts of screen time while others get a few lines here and there. And for me, who doesn't care half as much for the mysteries of the island as I do the characters, it's made the show regularly not meet my expectations I've had since season 1. Maybe I need to lower my standards though... :undecide:

The inability to effectively use the entire ensemble has been a problem since mid Season Two when the show made its ill advised tilt towards becoming The Jack Show. It is going to take a concerted effort in the next batch of episodes to revive our investment in all the characters that have been so long neglected.

I completely disagree. "A tilt towards the Jack Show?" By mid-season, the storytelling focused more on the Hatch, which included Jack, Locke, the Tailies - plus Ben and the Others. Jack is a major character, and he's going to get air time, just like Locke got tons of air time last season - and Kate and Sawyer . . .

I was more than invested in the characters in season two. All of them. The only character that I felt suffered from lack of attention was Claire.

However, there's no way to discuss this without noting the impact of the scheduling situation. The short span of the first bank of episodes forced them to focus on a short story, and I think the entire Alcatraz arc was very engaging. Offline I've met not one person who was discouraged by it - Kate, Sawyer and Jack are incredibly popular characters after all. In fact, it may have been better to ignore the beach story entirely rather than give it the short shrift it ended up with. That felt very unsatisfying.

I agree. It also would have helped if the Producers advised everyone at the beginning that it was a self-contained six epsiode arc that WOULD focus primarily on Jack, Kate, Sawyer and the Others. I think I'm going to have to stop listening to all the media hype regarding Lost, and just watch it and enjoy it. They either build it up too much or mislead you, which ends up disappointing fans.

Overall, I REALLY enjoyed Season Three so far.

By the same token, the length of the next arc should - theoretically - work very much in the favor of the beach gang stories. The love triangle has ended, so that story won't be eating any more time. And they can finally stretch out and luxuriate in this magnificent cast and the colorful stories that have all been put on hold. There's no returning to Season One when Jack was only another survivor in a full ensemble, just like there's no returning to static characterizations like "scumbag Sawyer", but I think any fan who is willing to go with the storyteller's flow is going to have a LOT to enjoy in the coming months.

Well said. I think there is going to be some really wonderful storytelling next year, and I really can't wait to see where it's all going to end up by the season finale.

The TPTB often refer to Jack as the hero in the story. Most LOST fans identify the three stated as characters of higher importance. Quite simply removing these three from the plot would be incredibly disasterous for the show. Sayid and Locke benefit from the removal of JKS because they are placed in charge of the Losties as shown in the Cost of Living. Charlie and Hurley are excellent backdrops to a very intense plot. And they will get there fairshare of back story. But the time isn't right.

I could really do without at least two of them. Jack and Kate need to fade into the backround more. I really like Sawyers names for people. I don't want to miss any new ones he has the chance to throw out there. From everything I've read about the rest of the season we will be learning much more about the others. Lots od unanswered questions there.

I'd like to see someone challenge Jack for Top Dog spot.

Most LOST fans identify the three stated as characters of higher importance.

I think you'd have to make it four characters and include Locke. He's definitely a fan favorite. I'd say Kate and Sawyer are of little consequence, in my opinion. That's not to say I dislike them (well, Kate's really bored me this season)...I just don't feel that they have any real importance to the core story. Of course, what the core story is is really just anyone's guess at this point ;)

Keep Kate, but don't reduce anybody's screentime!

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I'm a fan of Jack, Kate, and Sawyer. But I must say that even for me who is a fan of their story I am getting a little bored with it and after every episode I find myself saying...Wait What about Claire? Charlie? Hurley? etc. even Locke. And I consider Locke to be one of the four major characters along with Jack, Kate, and Sawyer.

Sorry if its repetitive I was only able to read a few pages.

I think there is a problem here. I agree that LOST has turned into the Jack, Kate, and Sawyer show. I know that those three were always more in the forefront, particularly as that little love triangle started to develop...but now it's even more pronounced, and worse, it's happening at the expense of the rest of the show.

On their own, each character has his or her merit. However, I feel that TPTB have lost sight (no pun intended) of what really makes LOST such a strong show. Much of the originality, the intensity, and the appeal of Lost comes from the fact that it has such a strong cast of characters, and that they all get fairly equal measure...or, at least, they used to. It's that same "live together, die alone" idea that has become so central to the show. As long as LOST focuses on the characters...and not just three of them, but all of them...it will remain a strong, fascinating show. But if it starts spiraling off, focusing on romance/sex/drama instead of on true character development/mystery/excitement, and focusing only on a few of the characters, it is not going to be nearly as strong a show, and will probably lose my interest fairly quickly. I'm not saying that as a threat of any kind (I'm not silly enough to think that just one person giving up on LOST would actually make any difference at all)...just simple truth.

The thing about Jack, Kate, and Sawyer is this: all three of them are strong characters, but even together they cannot carry the show. Three is too small a cast for Lost. Already, I'm getting tired of just them in that little place that the Others have set up. Because all it is, is the same old drama: Jack loves Kate, Sawyer loves Kate, Kate can't seem to choose and leans back and forth between them, maybe makes up her mind for the moment..., Others do weird/scary stuff with the one goal of intensifying whatever drama there is between J, K, and S. And so on.

This wouldn't necessarily be bad. However, the problem with it is that it is happening at the expense of just about everything else. What happened to Charlie and Claire and Hurley and Sayid? Jin/Sun and Locke got their episodes in, but even then it didn't really feel like the focus was fully on them. Charlie and Claire have been reduced to pretty much next to nothing...just the couple familiar faces who are periodically brought up together. Hurley crops up in this way, too. What happened to Sayid is even worse: he's being forced out of character and into whatever role TPTB see fit for the situation. Need someone to respond in some way to the Jin/Sun drama? Stick him on a boat with them. And so on. His previous role seems to have been forgotten. What about his past, his expertise? and his love for Shannon? Shunted aside, all of them. Desmond gets his occasional freaky moments, enough to tell us that he can see into the future, but it isn't presented in a way that means much--just oh, look at that, he made a lightening rod. Right. Back to the J/K/S drama... And we have barely seen Rose and Bernard, if at all (I can't remember...which is a shame, they're pretty high up there on the cute couples list).

Because of the way Lost started out--mainly as a character drama--people have certain expectations. People grow attached to certain characters. I happen to be primarily a fan of Sayid, Desmond, Charlie, and Claire. So I'm definitely suffering a little more than the people who are primarily Jack, Kate, and Sawyer fans. People become used to the format of a large group of characters sharing the spotlight. I know I did, and in fact, that was what made me want to keep watching the show (I started because I followed Dominic Monagahan over from Lord of the Rings). I'm a student of acting...and as such, I find Lost rare: it feels and looks more like a movie than a TV show, and the acting is of a higher quality...so to just focus in on three characters feels like wasted potential to me.

I actually have been a Sawyer fan. It doesn't hurt that I find Josh Holloway to be extremely attractive...but I am kind of getting sick of him. He worked better in his old role...that is to say, a little more out of the spotlight. I think Sawyer is just one of those characters that I prefer in smaller doses. He's interesting, somewhat dark, but definitely has his moments of humor. But bringing him into the spotlight takes the intrigue out of him and makes it easier to focus on his worse qualities...in fact he gets a little annoying.

I liked Kate, too. I was never really a member of her following, but I thought that she was a great female lead--strong and resourceful but also sensitive and complex...but I think the same thing that happened to Sawyer is happening to Kate--put her in the spotlight and her function changes. She's still a strong woman...but something is missing because that's not necessarily the side of her character that's being emphasized--instead she's there as a plot device for Sawyer's "pacemaker" which turns out to be a fake...the Love Triangle side of her is being played up, and as a result she's becoming more two-dimensional--She finds it hard to choose between Jack and Sawyer, and instead of being shown as a woman who is coping with a difficult choice, the choice itself is consuming her character.

I'll come right out and admit it, though: I have *never* liked Jack. I know that TPTB see Jack as the lead of the show...but I have just never liked him. I