I figure I would temper this forum with some positive responses to the new season. I happen to really be enjoying Season Three. Could it be improved? Certainly. Is it holding my interest? Absolutely. Best. Cast. On. Television.

What am I enjoying so much about this season? The drama has been amped up quite a bit. The storytelling is a little darker, but I'm enjoying that aspect. I like the fact that there are two dangers on Lost right now. One is the monster in the jungle and the unanswered questions that revolve around the island, the virus, and smokie. The other danger is "Who and what are the Others?" They have their own island, and it would appear that they've been there for quite some time. They have their own mysteries, secrets, and agendas.

For me, this makes Lost wonderful to watch because I'm getting storytelling from two different places, two different groups of characters, which gives me twice as much drama and action (and questions) to view. This is why I watch Lost. There is not another show on the air like it.

It's funny that in today's USA Today, they mentioned that Lost is a show that you have to watch live. You don't want to tape it and watch it later. You don't want to be spoiled by someone else revealing a key secret or plotline. You want to watch it when it happens, as it happens. I agree.

I don't feel that the writers have lost focus. It's only been FIVE episodes! The writers are laying the ground work for the rest of the season, and so far, I am thoroughly enjoying the ride. I'm sure more character interaction is coming up, as well as secrets revealed, more mysteries surfacing, lots of action, plenty of drama, and heaven forbid, some romance.

I agree that I would enjoy more cast interaction, and when I say cast interaction, I mean the ORIGINAL cast - Sayid, Locke, Charlie, Hurley, Claire, Sun, Jin, and Rose. Since Jack, Kate and Sawyer are on another island, I didn't include them. I do miss the comraderie, the humor, the touching little scenes between the cast, and I do mind the fact that there was no reaction to J/K/S kidnapping and the revelation about Michael. However, like I said, it's only been five episodes. There are still 17 EPISODES to go! I'm not going to nitpick right now.

So far, I'm hooked. Although, I've been hooked since Season One, Episode One.

I'm not sure if you mean to have this thread open only to those that are enjoying Season 3, but your post seems written to incite debate. If I'm wrong about that, I apologize.

Best Cast on TV? Maybe (I lean towards BSG with this). Either way, it is definitely a top notch cast, but I feel like it's being wasted. Characters are so inconsistent and act illogically, though, which is certainly not the cast's fault. If there is a reason for this that will be revealed later, I'll eat those words.

Everyone keeps saying that the storytelling seems darker this season, but I'm just not seeing it that way. That's fine, though, perspective being what it is ;) I've just found this season underwhelming, for the most part, so far.

I tape Lost (because I work while it's on), but I need not fear hearing spoilers from anyone because all of the people who used to watch it here have stopped.

I'd have to say from where I'm sitting it definitely appears as if the writers have lost focus, but like everything else here, that's a matter of opinion (though i'm sure some would go so far as to say it's fact).

I'm still here and watching because I have hope that things will turn around; I've simply invested too much to just drop it now. Here's to hoping things will get better. If they don't, oh well, I'm sure many will still be satisfied anyway...and, hey, it's just a TV show, right?

Well, this is meant to be a pro-season three thread, but your points were made eloquently. Much appreciated.

I don't think the characters have been written inconsistently or that the actors are being wasted. It's only been FIVE episodes (17 left to go). (BSG is an okay show, btw. Actors are good, but talk about a convoluted storyline. It's all subjective)

I DO believe that the writers have left out scenes or skipped over important scenes (there should have been some type of reaction to Hurley's return WITH his story about J/K/S and Michael, but whatever), but I think the performances this year have been excellent.

The writing is darker this season. What's happening to Jack, Kate and Sawyer is definitely darker, but that's what I like about season three. I like that we have two stories going on at the same time (the Others on one island, and the Losties on another), and I'll wait to see how it plays out over the next year.

Seasons of Lost are like different chapters of a large novel. I don't want to read chapters that are similar to previous chapters. Each chapter is very different, different locations, new characters, stories, and mysteries - and yet the chapters are all connected. We just have to be patient to see in what way they are connected. Season Three, for me, is great so far.

Like I said, it's only been five episodes.

Thanks for taking it in stride...I won't add anymore to this thread after this post as I'm obviously not one to be in it ;) I'll keep an eye on this thread, though, as I like to read the positive threads, too, to reevaluate the way I'm looking at things.

ps- just another one of those subjective/perception things...i've never thought bsg was anywhere nearly so convoluted as lost.

I for one, am loving Season 3 and so excited about what's to come. I'll admit I wasn't thrilled with the glass ballerina (reminded me of boring episodes of Season 2) and while further instructions did feel like a season 1 episode, it wasn't as good as I expected for 1.) all Locke episodes I find are some of the best but this just didn't get that good 2.) Polar bears take Eko? 3.) They cut out a lot of the good scenes including the offical introduction to Paulo and Nikki

Every man for himself did a little better and was good like the premire, but last week's I thought was hands down the best episode so far this season. The acting was top notch and everything about it was great and tommorw's episode could be crap but as long as the cliffhanger is good it'll be enough. Also I'm really liking the new characters. Making Ben and Desmond regulars was a great move and Juliet is very nice as well. I'm liking Nikki and I beleive we are meant to hate Paulo but I see what the characters are saying-they're always out of the loop. So I'm really liking this season

Never have seen the new BSG, LightMeDark, though the consensus seems to think it's a classic. (Me, I'm still getting over the shock of learning that Starbuck is a WOMAN in this version! :D) DID see the original BSG, and it was about as convoluted as Sesame Street, plotline-wise! :24:

It's probably as well that we're having this hiatus. We're ALL in need of a :chillpill:!!

I am loving me some season 3. Much better than 2 IMO.

I am enjoying Season 3 very much!!

I have read the negative remarks about Season 3 and guess I can understand some of the criticism but do not subscribe to it.

Each Season has had it's own flavor. As the Losties explored their relationships and existance in Season one, as they have explored the Island in Season Two and now as they learn about why they have been brought to this Island - each season has to be different. Feel different. Be written differently.

There were certain "styles" of writing that I didn't appreciate in Season Two, but I think that was to gear the show more to a younger crowd.

I have LOVED the maturity level of Season 3 writing!! Mature without being boring; clever without being "trendy".

I have really liked the drama and action of Season 3. TPTB said it would be more "action packed" and they haven't been wrong so far!

With the exception of Locke's episode - each one has been a "knuckle-biter" to me!!

I'm really looking forward to the rest of the Season! And unless something happens to my favorite character, I will be here the last night of the last episode of the last Season!!

This is the first season of Lost I've watched as it airs. And I absolutely love it this way! Being in the middle of the week, it makes my days go faster!
I agree that we're only 5 episodes in; there is a lot to happen yet. I have faith in the writers, and the cast.
I also think that this season is darker, simply because we have such dark situations before us, with seemingly no resolution... yet. i.e. J/K/S stuck with the Others, where the heck did Michael and Walt go, and Eko dying..... and let's not forget Patchman.... hahaha instead of Hatchman.. sorry. I digress.
I think a lot of the disenters thus far will be eating crow once this season is over. I've always watched Lost on DVD (which is always an all nighter), but this season seems to be picking up steam.. and FAST!!!!!

Don't even get me started on BSG!!!!!! Starbuck... a girl? What is THAT!?!? It just irritates me... sorry.... hehehe.

To add something positive, I've enjoyed Jack's storyline this year (though I'm still bothered by parts of it).

haha, sorry to have brought bsg up ;) I've only seen bits and pieces of the original, but from what I've seen I can say the new BSG is different enough from the old series that one can view it as an entirely new show that just happens to bear the name of an older show.

No one seems to realize that Lost is better than most of what's on TV. Even with a good show like Lost, people complain.

Things could be better, sure. But they are really putting int he effort to make this a great show. That much is apparent. There is no going through the motions as many series do. Great filming, Acting and Dialogue. The writing is good too. I just think there are way way too many stories to be told in such a limited amount of time. That's Lost's achilles (going with the greek theme) heel. Lost could potentially go on for years and has a lot of potential for all kinds of directions. I think one of the frustrating things is the fact that the story doesn't go where folks want it to go. But it is going in the direction the writers want it to. It's their story to tell...even if it's not the story we want told.

what is BSG?
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I like this season, I like the whole con on Sawyer and Locke is taking charge, he is my favorite character on the show. It sucks that Eko died, but it all adds to the element of suprises that happen on the show.

BSG=Battlestar galctica (I think)

BSG=Battlestar galctica (I think)

Thank goodness! Busted, I'm so glad you asked that, I was going insane trying to think of all possible TV shows with those initials!


Each Season has had it's own flavor. As the Losties explored their relationships and existance in Season one, as they have explored the Island in Season Two and now as they learn about why they have been brought to this Island - each season has to be different. Feel different. Be written differently. I agree with you, GettinLost. I think it makes it more interesting for each season to be a little different, and it makes sense in terms of the progression of the story. I am actually a latecomer to the show... watched all of S1 and S2 on DVD this fall before S3 started. All I know is that I am enjoying it and all its complexities. I'm not down with all the bashing of S3 and TPTB. It's their show! We're just lucky enought to get to watch it! :cool:

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It's funny that in today's USA Today, they mentioned that Lost is a show that you have to watch live. You don't want to tape it and watch it later. You don't want to be spoiled by someone else revealing a key secret or plotline. You want to watch it when it happens, as it happens. I agree.


What's really funny is that you would fall for such an obvious schill piece for the network. The reason they say that is because now that the show has gotten so lame, even the poor suckers who are left only TIVO it and fast forward through the ads. As soon as the network figures this out for themselves (really they already have, hence the fluff piece) Lost is as doomed as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis. Get ready, cause now that there is no more back story padding left for them, Sawyer is gonna get waxed for some stupid reason and Jack is gonna leave the island for some unexplained place and reason just like Michael did, and then what are they gonna write about? woohoo. can't wait.

To be fair, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and the haters deserve as much voice and space to air it as we, the faithful, do. I, for one, am still in love with the show and am nothing but excited about the direction TPTB are heading. Adding a protaganist that we can actually see and that out Losties can converse and psychologically explore is almost as exciting as the silent protaganist our Losties have been exploring for the past 70 days. I think when the show hits the supposed "jump the shark" moment sometime this season, the "big picture" will be just around the corner. I feel bad for all those people who have followed the show faithfully for two years but are now losing the path because of the weight of all the mysteries without the relief of answers; the end is near. The payoff is coming and I intend to be here when it happens.

Thank goodness! Busted, I'm so glad you asked that, I was going insane trying to think of all possible TV shows with those initials!
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I didn't know either...so I googled it:biggrin: .

I am thoroughly enjoying season 3. They've definitely narrowed things a bit for this first mini-season, but the storylines have been solid and intriguing while moving things forward bit by bit. The story will broaden again when the show returns in February, so anyone not liking so much Kate/Sawyer/Jack, will probably be happier then.

Seasons of Lost are like different chapters of a large novel. I don't want to read chapters that are similar to previous chapters. Each chapter is very different, different locations, new characters, stories, and mysteries - and yet the chapters are all connected. We just have to be patient to see in what way they are connected. Season Three, for me, is great so far.

See, this is the whole point that people seem to be missing. Lost is like a novel. First, you have your character development and set up the initial story (season 1). Then you start to show what is happening between those various characters and introduce some problems or mysteries (seasons 1 & 2). After you are in the thick of it, then you start to get more plot twists (seasons 2 & 3). After all that, then you start to get some resolution (seasons 3 & beyond).

Lots of people keep wishing that this season was more like the last two. This is impossible due to the nature of the story being told. I think Lost is progressing nicely and wouldn't change it for the world! I'm still lost and loving it!

After much confusion I have to say that yes I am enjoying this season so far.
I started watching lost 6 months ago and sped throught the first season in a week on DVD, then watched season 2 as quickly as I could get my hands on it.
I thought this show was the real deal when I was amazed at how season 2 had evolved from the original premise and taken it in a direction I couldn't have imagined myself.
Then as the wait for the new season loomed I turned to the web for info and ideas and thats when the negativity started creeping in to my Lost perspective. I found inconsistencies and criticisms of season 2 that hadn't occured to me as I watched, and pretty soon I found myself agreeing with the negative outlook cast upon the new episodes.
However after searching out more positive perspectives I have decided to sit on this side of the fence

One reason for not giving up yet is that I realised I had the luxury of viewing the entirety of seasons 1&2 without commercial breaks, repeats and other distractions/frustrations. If there was a slow episode I moved straight on to the next one until I had the answers I was after. Also I was able to remember clues and information from before when watching later episodes as it was still fresh in my mind.
This season has been more frustrating due to waiting a week at a time in the hope of getting answers which mostly haven't come. The more I think about this I realise that they are setting up the rest of the season and indeed possibly future seasons, so I have learnt to enjoy the tension and character interactions that each episode provides.
If they give too much away now they really would be shooting themselves in the foot, its just unfortunate that the viewer has to wait months to get any kind of resolution to existing questions and questions that have recently arisen.
I think that if this seasons episodes were to be viewed consecutively in hindsight then most of the issues with pacing would disappear.
I also believe that because of the drawn-out timeframe of the split season, many people assume they don't have the answers. Or that the inconsistencies are more numerous than they are.
I mean are the creators really that stupid to think that no-one would notice the strange behaviour of the survivors after the hatch incident? I don't think so, if something has not been revealed yet about the events during/just after the implosion then there is every chance that many apparent character inconsistencies will be explained.

So I've decided to do away with spoilers and web-bashings and just allow the show to shock and thrill me as it did in the beginning. And i'm sure all those who are voicing complaints will be right there watching when season 3 comes smashing back next year :)

Go Jack, you da man.

See, this is the whole point that people seem to be missing. Lost is like a novel. First, you have your character development and set up the initial story (season 1). Then you start to show what is happening between those various characters and introduce some problems or mysteries (seasons 1 & 2). After you are in the thick of it, then you start to get more plot twists (seasons 2 & 3). After all that, then you start to get some resolution (seasons 3 & beyond).

Lots of people keep wishing that this season was more like the last two. This is impossible due to the nature of the story being told. I think Lost is progressing nicely and wouldn't change it for the world! I'm still lost and loving it!

Excellent, insightful post! You hit the nail right on the head. LOST is more like a novel.
I'm still loving it - glued to my TV Wednesday nights. Sure there have been some minor issues but every show has that.
Also this is still the best cast on TV. Evangeline has been giving us her best performances since "All the Best Cowboys have Daddy Issues" Matthew, Terry and Josh are always good. So are the guest stars.

Good thread - too much negativity and complaining on some of these boards lately. -
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What's really funny is that you would fall for such an obvious schill piece for the network. The reason they say that is because now that the show has gotten so lame, even the poor suckers who are left only TIVO it and fast forward through the ads. As soon as the network figures this out for themselves (really they already have, hence the fluff piece) Lost is as doomed as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis. Get ready, cause now that there is no more back story padding left for them, Sawyer is gonna get waxed for some stupid reason and Jack is gonna leave the island for some unexplained place and reason just like Michael did, and then what are they gonna write about? woohoo. can't wait.

First of all, this is a pro-thread. Second, the author of USA Today's Life section article that I read is not on ABCs payroll. Lastly, if the show is lame for you - stop watching. Obviously, Lost is not your cup of tea.
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I am thoroughly enjoying season 3. They've definitely narrowed things a bit for this first mini-season, but the storylines have been solid and intriguing while moving things forward bit by bit. The story will broaden again when the show returns in February, so anyone not liking so much Kate/Sawyer/Jack, will probably be happier then.

That's how I feel too. I also enjoyed the the fall season finale. "I Do" had its flaws, but the drama and action, especially between Jack, Ben and the Others was fabulous. I have to agree with another poster who stated that he/she is going to avoid the spoilers and promos. I think THAT'S part of the problem. Too much is revealed or the hype is kicked up so high that you're bound to be disappointed on some level.

"I Do" was a good cliffhanger. It wasn't the "Best Episode Ever" it wasn't the "jaw-dropping moment" as was hyped. It was a really good episode that succeeded in doing what a cliffhanger should - It had me screaming at the television that the show ended at the tensest moment of the hour. Typical.

The problem with loving Lost is that I'm wishing my months away just to get closer to February. ;)

1. Personally, I see how "Lost" is improving every year that it's on the air. In the last 6 episodes, the flashbacks were integrated near Perfectly into what's going on on-island and that's not the case in every episode of seasons 2 or 1. This show seems to have really found it's legs and remains Interesting by forwarding island mythology, while still showing character development.

2. I love BSG... it's my second favorite program on television. But, yes the plot is just as "convoluted" (although I wouldn't call it that on either show) they leave just as many questions hanging up in the air, and make as many questionable calls (last night for instance... if you Know that there is One soldier who is Seriously against what you're about to do, why would you not have him Watched or contained when you're about to implement a plan that could save humanity?) And, as much as I love BSG the acting is nowhere near the level that it is on Lost. Yeah, Adama and the president and Tigh... all portrayed by brilliant actors, but the actors portraying Apollo, Starbuck, and Sharon... their "acting" pulls me out of the reality of the show entirely too often.

3. As Lost has progressed, it's begun to tell more and more long-term stories... so, yes some of what's going on now doesn't seem to make sense, but then later it's addressed in such a way that it explains what happened previously and why it did... but the viewer has to be observant and patient to see these things. That's what I love about Lost. It's not as complex as say... "The Wire", but it's still far above regular "pop television" and far more engrossing.

And I get a kick out of people complaining about the "impossibilities" of a person being knocked unconcious with a slingshot, or the bunny being shaken...

1. Personally, I see how "Lost" is improving every year that it's on the air.

As Lost has progressed, it's begun to tell more and more long-term stories... so, yes some of what's going on now doesn't seem to make sense, but then later it's addressed in such a way that it explains what happened previously and why it did... but the viewer has to be observant and patient to see these things. That's what I love about Lost. It's not as complex as say... "The Wire", but it's still far above regular "pop television" and far more engrossing.

I agree completely. Part of the what I love about the writing is that it will bring a remark or a statement made by a character in an earlier season and tie it together with a present episode.

Case in point: "That's why the Red Sox will never win the World Series." It's a simple statement that could have been a throw away line, but it was used to tie key characers together. It's when Sawyer first realized that Jack Shepard was, in fact, the son of the man he had shared a drink with in a bar in Sydney. Jack's simple utterance of that sentence and stating that it was "something my father use to say" was just brilliant for the writers. I remember watching that scene and WAITING to find out when Sawyer would tell Jack what his father had said to him.

Flash forward more than a year later, and that same sentence brings a fantastic scene in season three when Ben tells Jack that the Red Sox won the World Series in eight straight wins. Jack just exploded with laughter, and we, the viewers, knew why. We knew Jack's feelings on the subject, as it was revealed in Season One. That's what makes a scene memorable - and pure magic.

You have to be patient and allow those types of moments to arrive instead of trying to rush everything into being answered and addressed in six episodes.

I agree completely. Part of the what I love about the writing is that it will bring a remark or a statement made by a character in an earlier season and tie it together with a present episode.



"Lost" does this more than most other programs on television... looking at what's going on now, the audience has to wonder how Sawyer and Kate will escape the "satellite island", but current events have brought a boat over there and way back in episode 22 we learned that Kate knows how to sail...

I love long-term stories like that... it takes a long while to get resolution on some things, but when it finally comes, the experience feels richer because it wasn't all just laid out in a couple of hours.

I'm holding out some hope for this year on Lost, and I've actually come up with many theories that could explain away a lot of the inconsitencies of this season...so perhaps TPTB are performing a long con on us. If they are I'll give them a wary thumbs up for the mini-season.


2. I love BSG... it's my second favorite program on television. But, yes the plot is just as "convoluted" (although I wouldn't call it that on either show) they leave just as many questions hanging up in the air, and make as many questionable calls (last night for instance... if you Know that there is One soldier who is Seriously against what you're about to do, why would you not have him Watched or contained when you're about to implement a plan that could save humanity?) And, as much as I love BSG the acting is nowhere near the level that it is on Lost. Yeah, Adama and the president and Tigh... all portrayed by brilliant actors, but the actors portraying Apollo, Starbuck, and Sharon... their "acting" pulls me out of the reality of the show entirely too often.

It's, of course, a matter of perspective, I guess, but BSG doesn't leave anywhere near the amount of questions up in the air as Lost (and I'm not saying that as a negative to Lost). I don't think that was a questionable call last night...I think Adama wanted Helo to do what he did. Acting is another point of perspective, too, it seems...I'll take the acting on BSG over that on Lost (at least this season). I've been pulled out of the story too many times this year by Kate's and Sawyer's acting. This is all for some other thread, though, I guess.

"Lost" does this more than most other programs on television... looking at what's going on now, the audience has to wonder how Sawyer and Kate will escape the "satellite island", but current events have brought a boat over there and way back in episode 22 we learned that Kate knows how to sail...

I love long-term stories like that... it takes a long while to get resolution on some things, but when it finally comes, the experience feels richer because it wasn't all just laid out in a couple of hours.

I agree - again.

On a side note: What I don't get is why some posters have stated that Jack's plan will never work because they are on another island and Kate and Sawyer can't escape. Why can't they? Does this mean that Kate and Sawyer can't find another boat? There's no other boats on the entire island? Of course, there HAS to be.

Kate and Sawyer can definitely get off the "other" island. It's just going to take some ingenuity, probably some violence, and a pinch of desperation. I guess we'll see if they're up to the task.
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I'm holding out some hope for this year on Lost, and I've actually come up with many theories that could explain away a lot of the inconsitencies of this season...so perhaps TPTB are performing a long con on us. If they are I'll give them a wary thumbs up for the mini-season.

You mind if I ask, what specifically upsets you about Season Three? Is it the lack of other characters?


It's, of course, a matter of perspective, I guess, but BSG doesn't leave anywhere near the amount of questions up in the air as Lost (and I'm not saying that as a negative to Lost). I don't think that was a questionable call last night...I think Adama wanted Helo to do what he did. Acting is another point of perspective, too, it seems...I'll take the acting on BSG over that on Lost (at least this season). I've been pulled out of the story too many times this year by Kate's and Sawyer's acting. This is all for some other thread, though, I guess.

You certainly are fixated on BSG, aren't you? :redface: Sorry, I'll take the ENTIRE cast of Lost over the cast of BSG any day of the week. I don't feel that Kate and Sawyer have been as bad as you seem to feel, but I can see why some of their scenes have been less than inspiring. I guess what I have loved about the first six episodes has been how Jack has been written and how Matthew Fox's performances. Outstanding. As has Michael Emerson and Elizabeth Mitchell.

What specific questions were left up in the air that bothers you? I'm just curious.

It's, of course, a matter of perspective, I guess, but BSG doesn't leave anywhere near the amount of questions up in the air as Lost (and I'm not saying that as a negative to Lost). I don't think that was a questionable call last night...I think Adama wanted Helo to do what he did.

Did the president though? All she had to do was keep track of him for one day.



On a side note: What I don't get is why some posters have stated that Jack's plan will never work because they are on another island and Kate and Sawyer can't escape. Why can't they?


I don't know... between boats and the "sub" there's a number of ways they can find to get back to the island.



Sorry, I'll take the ENTIRE cast of Lost over the cast of BSG any day of the week.

I'm with you there... those people that I mentioned, sometimes can seem so Wooden. To me, Kate's a little iffy every now and then, but Sawyer, Jack, Ben, Juliet, Locke, Charlie and Desmond are all acted perfectly to me... and what Daniel Dae Kim does with a guy who can barely speak English is pretty impressive.

I'm glad this thread's here... there's very few echo chambers for positive viewpoints.

Anywho, I was re-watching Season 1 on vacation a few weeks ago... and I actually found myself somewhat disappointed. S1 was essentially all about Man vs Man and Man vs Nature which are the core components of all great dramas. But I found myself needing more, especially after Season 2 which was more or less all about Man vs Himself (Having faith in the Button, trusting Benry, Desmond finding the courage to activate the failsafe.)

In Season 3, I find myself theorizing about Juliet and Ben's notion of free will and how that relates to Kate's needing to Run, Sawyer's needing to Con and Jack's needing to always be the Hero. S3 is actually a much more rewarding season than Season 1 from that perspective. While S1 is more entertaining in a conventional way, S3 just gets my mind racing much more in a way few TV shows can.
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I'm holding out some hope for this year on Lost, and I've actually come up with many theories that could explain away a lot of the inconsitencies of this season...so perhaps TPTB are performing a long con on us.

I am curious what the preceived inconsistencies are. Are they character inconsistencies or plot inconsistenices? To be honest, I see this point brought up a lot but I don't know what those inconsistencies are. My only one I can think of is Sayid should've know better than to leave the boat unprotected, but that may be he honestly didn't think they had a way of attacking from the sea.

I'm glad this thread's here... there's very few echo chambers for positive viewpoints.

Anywho, I was re-watching Season 1 on vacation a few weeks ago... and I actually found myself somewhat disappointed. S1 was essentially all about Man vs Man and Man vs Nature which are the core components of all great dramas. But I found myself needing more, especially after Season 2 which was more or less all about Man vs Himself (Having faith in the Button, trusting Benry, Desmond finding the courage to activate the failsafe.)

In Season 3, I find myself theorizing about Juliet and Ben's notion of free will and how that relates to Kate's needing to Run, Sawyer's needing to Con and Jack's needing to always be the Hero. S3 is actually a much more rewarding season than Season 1 from that perspective. While S1 is more entertaining in a conventional way, S3 just gets my mind racing much more in a way few TV shows can.
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I am curious what the preceived inconsistencies are. Are they character inconsistencies or plot inconsistenices? To be honest, I see this point brought up a lot but I don't know what those inconsistencies are. My only one I can think of is Sayid should've know better than to leave the boat unprotected, but that may be he honestly didn't think they had a way of attacking from the sea.

I just read a bunch of your posts in the "Where has Lost gone wrong" or whatever thread. Great posts! I agreed with your point of view - very well articulated.

I, too, would like to know where all these inconsistencies or problems with the episodes lay. I can understand the argument that Locke, Charley, Hurely, etc. were not showcased as prominently as Jack, Kate, Sawyer and the Others, but that doesn't take away from the extraordinary performances or the plot advancements.

Season One was just a magic season for me. What I mean by that is that it was all so new. The idea of the flashback element, the monster, the dynamics and the chemistry of the cast. NOTHING can really compete with Season One, in terms of its newness.

Season Two was more island and action packed, but it also had great dramatic moments and character advancement. Sure, there were some inconsistencies between Jack and Locke, but frankly, I loved watching those two in scenes, so I was happy. (I don't tend to over analyze everything.)

Season Three is just so powerful. That's the only way I can describe it. I think the Jack, Ben, Juliet aspect of the storytelling is really what has been outstanding the first six episodes, and I know many were upset that other characters took a backseat. However, the great acting, drama, and storytelling shouldn't be ignored because of it. Once the show returns in February, the canvas will be expanded to encompass the other characters.

I just hope people realize that the February 7 episode will probably feature Jack, Kate, and Sawyer again because we did leave off with them on a cliffhanger. Remember? :biggrin:

You mind if I ask, what specifically upsets you about Season Three? Is it the lack of other characters?
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You certainly are fixated on BSG, aren't you?
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What specific questions were left up in the air that bothers you? I'm just curious.

I was trying to be positive, haha :)

For me, it's not the lack of other characters, though seeing them more often would have been nice. This is going to come down to who your favorites on the show are for a lot of people, though (like for me: Locke, Eko :(, Jack, Walt :(). I don't have much time left (I'm at work and probably won't be online again for a few days), so I'll have to save listing the things that have me saying "eh" about this season for another time.

I'm somewhat fixated on BSG, but that's simply because it's my favorite currently airing show at the moment. As far as things being left up in the air, I'm not really bothered by it. I was just pointing out that Lost has at least a hundred unanswered question up in the air while BSG has only a few. This isn't a criticism of Lost...that's simply how this kind of show works.

Did the president though? All she had to do was keep track of him for one day.
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I'm with you there... those people that I mentioned, sometimes can seem so Wooden. To me, Kate's a little iffy every now and then, but Sawyer, Jack, Ben, Juliet, Locke, Charlie and Desmond are all acted perfectly to me... and what Daniel Dae Kim does with a guy who can barely speak English is pretty impressive.

No, the president didn't. I can't explain that one away, and it is a bit of a problem. I just tend not to look at BSG the same way I do at Lost. This is probably because the producers encouraged us to really pick the show apart, telling us to go frame by frame and that everything had purpose and meaning.

I'll agree with you that some of the acting on BSG is a bit wooden, and I will say I honestly can't choose a cast between that of Lost and of BSG. They're both great...I'm just upset about this season on Lost and so ecstatic about this season on BSG that it colors things for me.

I am curious what the preceived inconsistencies are. Are they character inconsistencies or plot inconsistenices? To be honest, I see this point brought up a lot but I don't know what those inconsistencies are. My only one I can think of is Sayid should've know better than to leave the boat unprotected, but that may be he honestly didn't think they had a way of attacking from the sea.

I promise I'll get back to this. It's a combination of character and plot inconsistencies, though more heavily leaning towards the character side of things. My biggest issues with the plot began with the finale last year.

I just hope people realize that the February 7 episode will probably feature Jack, Kate, and Sawyer again because we did leave off with them on a cliffhanger. Remember? :biggrin:

I would expect them to start off with Jack, Kate, and Sawyer. I will concede that there was a cliffhanger, but I feel it was the weakest I've seen yet on Lost (that I can remember, at least). I saw your post where you applauded all the Jack stuff this season, and I'm in agreement with you on that. The Jack stuff has been the saving grace this season, in my eyes.

Anyways, sorry to leave you guys hanging with questions (but you're used to that by now, right? :p), but I need to be on my merry.

I'm somewhat fixated on BSG, but that's simply because it's my favorite currently airing show at the moment. As far as things being left up in the air, I'm not really bothered by it. I was just pointing out that Lost has at least a hundred unanswered question up in the air while BSG has only a few. This isn't a criticism of Lost...that's simply how this kind of show works.


BSG does have quite a lot of unanswered questions... certainly as many as Lost. But (as you inferred) BSG doesn't catch heck for it because BSG's mysteries, while numerous, just aren't as intriguing as Lost's. Polar bears in a warm climate vs. star charts, electromagnetic anomolies that heal vs. a Cylon killing virus. People tend to get more invested in Lost's mysteries so it bothers them more when it takes so long to get answers.


No, the president didn't. I can't explain that one away, and it is a bit of a problem. I just tend not to look at BSG the same way I do at Lost. This is probably because the producers encouraged us to really pick the show apart, telling us to go frame by frame and that everything had purpose and meaning.



Where did they say that?


They're both great...I'm just upset about this season on Lost and so ecstatic about this season on BSG that it colors things for me.


The two shows have some parallels this season... both shows seem to be largely about showing us the enemy's lair and how they live. I'm excited about both. Although I'm more excited about Lost.

BSG does have quite a lot of unanswered questions... certainly as many as Lost. But (as you inferred) BSG doesn't catch heck for it because BSG's mysteries, while numerous, just aren't as intriguing as Lost's. Polar bears in a warm climate vs. star charts, electromagnetic anomolies that heal vs. a Cylon killing virus. People tend to get more invested in Lost's mysteries so it bothers them more when it takes so long to get answers.

Maybe I'm dense (wouldn't surprise me ;p), but I can only think of 3 or 4 questions hanging in the air with BSG. I'd love to hear what other questions you think there might be as I'd love to spend more time thinking on it :).

I haven't really noticed any mysteries in BSG to even compare intrigue with those on Lost. The only thing I can think here is "Who's a cylon?" I've found this season of BSG far more compelling and entertaining to watch this season, but some things lead me to believe that Lost will really come back with a vengeance after its hiatus.

Where did they say that?

I can't quote anything they specifically said, but it just seems from many quotes I've seen by various people involved with Lost that they are challenging folk to really dig deeply. I could have seen quotes taken out of context, though.

The two shows have some parallels this season... both shows seem to be largely about showing us the enemy's lair and how they live. I'm excited about both. Although I'm more excited about Lost.

Hmm, I hadn't even noticed any parallels. This is why I like to read what others think about a show I enjoy because it really helps me open up to things I may have been missing.

I'm not sure if you mean to have this thread open only to those that are enjoying Season 3, but your post seems written to incite debate. If I'm wrong about that, I apologize.Thank you for the thoughtful, civil debates. I always enjoy reading other peoples perspective.

I DO believe that the writers have left out scenes or skipped over important scenes (there should have been some type of reaction to Hurley's return WITH his story about J/K/S and Michael, but whatever), but I think the performances this year have been excellent. Yes, I would have liked that Hurley scene, but it's not so much that I mind those skipped or off-camera screnes, but I get annoyed about all the posts about them. To a certain extent, I think the audience can assume certain things and every living moment of these characters lives does not need to be aired.

Never have seen the new BSG, LightMeDark, though the consensus seems to think it's a classic. (Me, I'm still getting over the shock of learning that Starbuck is a WOMAN in this version! :D) DID see the original BSG, and it was about as convoluted as Sesame Street, plotline-wise! :24:Yeah I haven't seen the new one either, although tivo continues to tape it for me. I remember loving the old one as a kid. I'd love to watch all them again.

Each Season has had it's own flavor. As the Losties explored their relationships and existance in Season one, as they have explored the Island in Season Two and now as they learn about why they have been brought to this Island - each season has to be different. Feel different. Be written differently.

I have LOVED the maturity level of Season 3 writing!! Mature without being boring; clever without being "trendy".

I have really liked the drama and action of Season 3. TPTB said it would be more "action packed" and they haven't been wrong so far!
Yes I agree about the flavors of the seasons, and even TPTB have said that they have had different themes for each season. The first season was about survival, the second season was about the hatch and this season is about the others. And honestly, I love the Others. I want to know everything about them. The show could be all about J/K/S and the others and I wouldn't care because they intrique me so much. I just remember all the complaints about when are we going to see the others and now that we get to see them and find out more about them everyone is complaining that there's too much about that side and they want more of the original Losties. I can understand to a degree, but really at this point, I don't mind.

To add something positive, I've enjoyed Jack's storyline this year (though I'm still bothered by parts of it).
Actually I've never been a huge Jack fan. He's always been so/so to me, but this season I'm really loving him and I'm gaining a lot of respect for his character.

See, this is the whole point that people seem to be missing. Lost is like a novel. First, you have your character development and set up the initial story (season 1). Then you start to show what is happening between those various characters and introduce some problems or mysteries (seasons 1 & 2). After you are in the thick of it, then you start to get more plot twists (seasons 2 & 3). After all that, then you start to get some resolution (seasons 3 & beyond).

Lots of people keep wishing that this season was more like the last two. This is impossible due to the nature of the story being told. I think Lost is progressing nicely and wouldn't change it for the world! I'm still lost and loving it!I love that analogy. I think of Lost more like a well written comic book (100 Bullets reminds me of Lost in a lot of ways), but yeah, a novel works well also.


So I've decided to do away with spoilers and web-bashings and just allow the show to shock and thrill me as it did in the beginning. And i'm sure all those who are voicing complaints will be right there watching when season 3 comes smashing back next year :)
Good for you! That's been my aproach since mid-way through Season 1 and I think that my enjoyment level has increased because of it. Just sit back and enjoy the story. :)

"I Do" was a good cliffhanger. It wasn't the "Best Episode Ever" it wasn't the "jaw-dropping moment" as was hyped. It was a really good episode that succeeded in doing what a cliffhanger should - It had me screaming at the television that the show ended at the tensest moment of the hour. Typical.
True. My only worry after watching that episode was I knew that people were going to hate it because of the previews over promising once again. I hate the mis-leading previews, which is why I try to avoid them. Out of this entire season (all of 6 episodes), there was only one that I didn't care for. And it wasn't so much that I didn't care for it, I just thought it was average by Lost's standards. The rest of the season I really enjoyed.

Season One was just a magic season for me. What I mean by that is that it was all so new. The idea of the flashback element, the monster, the dynamics and the chemistry of the cast. NOTHING can really compete with Season One, in terms of its newness.Now see, I think that's the problem. The complaining started about mid-way through Season 1. That's when all the "Worst Episode Ever" threads started to pop up and I really think it's because Lost had lost it's newness. Once the writer's had done the introductions to the characters and the island and started to take us into the story, people started to complain. Now people are saying Heros is better, and I love Heroes too, but you really can't compare Season 3 of Lost to Season 1 of Heroes. Heroes is still new, and it has that magic of newness still on it. Of course there are other differences between the two shows, but I think it still comes down to newness.

Maybe I'm dense (wouldn't surprise me ;p), but I can only think of 3 or 4 questions hanging in the air with BSG. I'd love to hear what other questions you think there might be as I'd love to spend more time thinking on it :).



Will that map really lead them to Earth?
Does Earth exist or is it a myth?
If it does exist what time period will it be on Earth?
Who are the other Cyclon models?
Why are they kept seperate?
How can a Cylon have a baby?
Why do the Cylons want that baby so badly?
Do the Cylons want to kill all the humans or what?
Who is that in Baltar's head?
Who is in Six's?
Does God exist or are the Capricans religion correct? Or neither?
Who created the disease? How? Was it left out there on purpose or coincidence?
What did the Cylons do to Starbuck? (the scar)
Why did they tell her that child was hers?
What is different in Boomer that she is willing to help the humans?

And none of those are "background questions" about the individual characters before Caprica was attacked.

BSG asks a Lot of questions (and they even do the "Lost" trick of asking new ones when one question is answered... like with that whole "arrow" thing last season) but they're just not as intriguing so there's not much of an uproar over them.

Thank you for the thoughtful, civil debates. I always enjoy reading other peoples perspective.

So do I, and that's why I'm here. I jumped into this thread because I wanted to see it from the other side, so to speak, and I'd be wrong to say that some of the positive hasn't rubbed off on me a bit.

Yeah I haven't seen the new one either, although tivo continues to tape it for me. I remember loving the old one as a kid. I'd love to watch all them again.

If you've got room on your schedule I'd certainly recommend checking the new BSG out. It's certainly very different from the old show, so don't expect too many parallels beyond the basics if you do decide to check it out.

Actually I've never been a huge Jack fan. He's always been so/so to me, but this season I'm really loving him and I'm gaining a lot of respect for his character.

Yeah, there have been some really terrific scenes involving him this season...but I've always been a Jack fan ;) (along with Locke, Eko :(, and Walt :()

I love that analogy. I think of Lost more like a well written comic book (100 Bullets reminds me of Lost in a lot of ways), but yeah, a novel works well also.

That's a fantastic way to look at it. Now that you've mentioned it, it does seem much like a comic book. I don't really see it fitting as a novel, but it works for me as a comic book.

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And none of those are "background questions" about the individual characters before Caprica was attacked.

Hmm, some of these I hadn't thought of and even more of them I already had an answer for in my head that I didn't question. I can see where you're coming from, though.

I'm sort of growing to love the whole thing more as time goes on ...

OK, after the first few eps of S2 I moaned because it wasn't like S1, and after the first couple of eps of S3 I moaned because it wasn't like S2. But I think that's the point - there's meant to be a completely different feel to each series, and it just takes the audience a little time to adjust to that. Some more than others. I mean, even S1 took me a few eps to really get hooked in the first place!

I hate it when people start judging 'best' and 'worst' episodes. Like a good movie or a novel (love that analogy by the way) it can't be non-stop action and excitement all the time because it would be exhausting for the audience, and it would all start to merge into one. You need a lull in the action, you need the comic relief, you need the long drawn out slow burning stories. Without them you would have no contrast to the more dynamic scenes.

And you have to view the eps not as individual eps, but as part of the whole. As 'chapters' in your 'novel'. I admit, I was starting to doze off in the middle of S2, but once you view the series as a whole - and have a frame of reference for the whole thing - it all comes together.

I think what I'm trying to say is that viewed as 'chapters', yes there are weak eps, but the novel itself is a bloody good read. IMHO anyway :thumb_up:

I really love S3, at least so far. The Others storyline is absolutely amazing, I think. Not sure why, but this season seems to have more re-watchability. I loved S1 and I'm excited to go back and watch it again, but since that season is so much about discovering the mysteries of the island, I'm not sure how much more I'll see in the episodes that I missed the first time. Well, I'm sure I'll spot lots of things I missed, actually. :) But that, for me, kind of encapsulates what I love about S3.

And, of course, there's SO much going on with the Others. Heck, my favorite characters by far are Ben and Juliet. I just want to know everything about these people. I don't trust them one bit, but that's kind of what makes me love them. I don't understand their motivations (except of course nabbing Jack; I understand Ben's motivation to save his own skin) but I can't wait to begin to.

And BSG? Meh. I loved it for the first season and a half. But it's just turned into a rehash of Deep Space Nine concepts and a soapbox for Ronald Moore. The Sharon/Helo storyline is the only thing that even remotely interests me anymore.

I've certainly enjoyed the season so far, but what strikes me is, in speaking with the many casual Lost fans I know (casual in the sense that they don't get online about it, but not in the sense that they skip episodes), that there's a general air of contentment and enjoyment with this season. They just like it or LOVE it. I don't really go into it with them much, but it just seems to be a huge crowd pleaser so far.

I think when you go online you get a distorted, even a warped, idea of how much fans are enjoying it. I read a lot of complaints online, but I never hear any from my friends or family.

It's not just the stories and acting that have been enjoyable, but the artistic staging and filmwork. It's just a top quality show. There's so few shows that are worthwhile on tv, so I am really grateful for this one.

At last, some good posts about season 3 :biggrin: I know a lot of people have been disappointed because (yes, even though there have only been 6 episodes :rolleyes: ) loose ends haven't been tied up, with Walt and Michael and other things. But I, for one, don't want to know anything....yet! Of course I'll want answers once the show comes to an end, and I will be disappointed if they don' tie up everything, but I personally think it's still too early to know. There's so much more to it. After all, what really made me watch this show was all the mysteries, so bring on more of that!! I love all the theories and everything, so yeah, I don't really want to know anything....just yet ;)

I think once it comes back in February, everything will kick off. More stuff will happen, we'll probably find out a lot more, especially about the "Others" and I think the people who have been slightly disappointed with it so far might start enjoying it again. After all, you can't just go by six episodes :)

I am one of those who is enjoying Season Three. I am also though one of those folks who did not start watching until Season Two and caught up through the S1DVD. However, ever since seeing my first moments (a recap - *gasp*! ;)) I've been hooked. I want to know more about everything and haven't felt frustrated (yet) by the questions that have been raised... more of a "wow, they keep coming up with new mysteries!" kind of wonder.

I'm also a balanced "love character/love mystery" type of watcher, so there hasn't been an episode where one or the other of those has been advanced. For me, it's like peeling back the layers of an onion as the characters change and develop, and the mysteries of how and why they're there are explored. I'm along for a ride and enjoying every minute!

I can see many of the points made by those who are disappointed, but somehow have faith that TPTB will take me to a place that perhaps I didn't even imagine the story could go -- and that thought intrigues me week after week.