"Lift up your eyes and look north". What will they find north? Another hatch, the Flame, Patchy? Hmmm.

I believe that they will find the other island?

I believe that they will find the other island?

I was going to say, J/K/S, but obviously it would be the other island before Locke could find them.

That makes so much sense. :doh:

I hope it's Patchy!

I think it's too soon in the season for him to find J/K/S...

Well, if they're only looking up, I would say that they might see another plane crash or something like that. They'd have to actually travel north to find any of those things, right? They're not just going to find them by looking up.

Thing is Locke has to life up his eyes AND look north... is there something in the sky or at a height?

Whatever it is I'm thinking will be "The Hatch" of this Season, as the Swan hatch was the incrutable mystery of Season 1.

Thing is Locke has to life up his eyes AND look north... is there something in the sky or at a height? That's what I'm thinking - something on higher ground or in the sky...

Maybe it's a tree tall enough so that when they climb it they will see the other island. The original losties have to be brought in to rescue Jack, Sawyer and Kate.

Perhaps the headquarters of our beloved "monster"? Or the Flame hatch where the eye patch dude currently is located?

radio tower!

ok, maybe not but i want them to go back to it!!!

True north is where it is at

Ooh, it would be great if it was the radio tower! But, I don't want to engage in too much wishful thinking. I'm guessing it is the other island.

I wonder how long the writers were planning this moment. Someone could look up screen caps, but I'm guessing that phrase with the "John" at the end has been on the Jesus stick all along. Crafty!

the north quote has at least been on for a week, maybe 2, because i remember a thread about it... i don't remember details...

Thing is Locke has to life up his eyes AND look north... is there something in the sky or at a height?

No, I don't think so.. the Jesus Stick was covered with scripture, so Locke's "sign" had to come in the form of a Biblical passage. I don't think he will literally have to look up in the sky. They just couldn't have "Hey John! North side of the Island, go check it out!" etched into the club.

I'm of the opinion that the second island is on the north side, but I'll be just as happy if Locke's quest takes them to the Flame and/or Patchy.

I noticed that it said that before too, and I wondered what it meant. I don't know if it's been there all along though. I don't remember if I noticed it while watching the show or if I saw it online. I'm guessing it'll be something leading him to the other island.

Ooh, it would be great if it was the radio tower! But, I don't want to engage in too much wishful thinking. I'm guessing it is the other island.!

Could very well be either! The radio tower would be neat!

Could North somehow refer to our cold weather foreign friends?

A stretch, but a thought...

yeah my gut says it's just head north so you'll find the other island because someone has to find J/K/S

Maybe it's a tree tall enough so that when they climb it they will see the other island. The original losties have to be brought in to rescue Jack, Sawyer and Kate.

I like this idea! After all, Eko made Charlie climb a tree to look for the plane.

I agree that "Lift up your eyes and look North" means that Locke has to get higher. If he gets higher, such as climbing a tree (as noted above), and looks north he will see the other island that is invisible at ground level. THAT is why Eko's walking stick fell OUT of the tree.

I agree that "Lift up your eyes and look North" means that Locke has to get higher. If he gets higher, such as climbing a tree (as noted above), and looks north he will see the other island that is invisible at ground level. THAT is why Eko's walking stick fell OUT of the tree.

:clapping:

On Eko's stick, was there an actual scripture reference? Like John chapter ? verse ?

I'm a loser with no TiVo :(

Am I remembering wrong or is the north side of the island where the line was drawn that they were not to cross? I suspect they will find home base of the Others or a way to get there.

Of course the radio tower & Patchy's hatch could be on the way. :) (wishful thinking)

No, I don't think so.. the Jesus Stick was covered with scripture, so Locke's "sign" had to come in the form of a Biblical passage. I don't think he will literally have to look up in the sky. They just couldn't have "Hey John! North side of the Island, go check it out!" etched into the club.

I'm of the opinion that the second island is on the north side, but I'll be just as happy if Locke's quest takes them to the Flame and/or Patchy.

Right, I doubt Eko carved that in the last 2 or 3 days. All of these theories seem to forget that for them to be true, Eko would have had to know something pretty important and said nothing, did nothing about it. If it's that important and points to something so solid, why just carve it on a his Jesus stick and let them find it after he died? I know these folks are not the chatty type but they do go off on their own to at least check things out. I don't reacll anytime when Eko was unaccounted for that he had the time to go off and find any tower, hatch, island or anything.

It make no sense. It's much more likely it is a bible quote. anyone want to do a search?

Since it appears Locke and co are on a mission to find "Patchy" my guess is Eko is leading them to the Flame Station.

I vote Flame Station.

Right, I doubt Eko carved that in the last 2 or 3 days. All of these theories seem to forget that for them to be true, Eko would have had to know something pretty important and said nothing, did nothing about it. If it's that important and points to something so solid, why just carve it on a his Jesus stick and let them find it after he died? I know these folks are not the chatty type but they do go off on their own to at least check things out. I don't reacll anytime when Eko was unaccounted for that he had the time to go off and find any tower, hatch, island or anything.

It make no sense. It's much more likely it is a bible quote. anyone want to do a search?
only the handwriting didn't look like the rest. Didn't Desmond ask John about the stick on the 'previously on lost' portion of further instructions?

Is it posisble Desmond wrote it?

only the handwriting didn't look like the rest. Didn't Desmond ask John about the stick on the 'previously on lost' portion of further instructions?

Is it posisble Desmond wrote it?

Handwriting? Carving is not exactly like writing. I've done it and it doesn't always look the same.

What is the flame?

Perhaps 'north' has to do with the broken compass not pointing north?

It can't just be a simple clue because it meant something to Locke. What did he recognize when he saw it?

And what was he about to say when he stopped and read that part?

"And thank you for helping me..."

Also, Desmond told Jack "You've got to Lift it up" referring to his leg in S2...but what if....

Handwriting? Carving is not exactly like writing. I've done it and it doesn't always look the same.
ok, I just thought it looked different.

yeah im more inclined to think it will send them towards whichever hatch eyepatch guy is in mainly cause..

I heard somewhere forget where that producers have said he's gonna be a major character in 2nd half of the season

The stick read, "Lift up your eyes and look north," and had the citation John 3:05.

Except that's not John 3:05. The quote seems to be a reference to Genesis 13:14-17: "And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward..."

John 3:05 is: "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Link here (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2013:14-17;John%203:05;&version=9;).

Water = Hydra station? Nah, thinking too much. I think Locke is too. He sees "John" on the stick and thinks Eko means him.

here are my two divergent thoughts on the look north hint. clearly its signficant, since Eko and Locke share insight into the islands mysteries. first theory: wasn't the line the losties weren't supposed to cross northward? I remember that from when michael left. Clearly, the reason they couldnt cross that line is because the others didn't want them to find the suburban village on the north side of the island. So perhaps by heading northward (and upward- over the mountains) they will find the others village and sayid will raise some hell.

#2, i like the flame hatch idea with the eye patch man. My guess is that he controls the smoke (flame and smoke go together, right?). perhaps locke can get control of the smoke, the power of the island, and use it to rescue the rest.

Locke immediately interprets this as a sign, from the spirit of the Island or his personal God or whatever. whether its a biblical phrase or whatever it is...the sychronicity of it falling out of the tree, Locke planting it in the ground in the exact position to see that carved sentence...he knows how to interpret synchronicity and listen to the Island.

no opinion on where it goes...my first thought was..duh..to Others Camp and Jack etc

I beleive that both the flame hatch and the others are north of the pearl station.

And what was he about to say when he stopped and read that part?

"And thank you for helping me..."


He said "And thank you for helping me find my-" ...destiny? Faith? I figure somewhere along those lines.


At best, I'm thinking the sign will lead him to *gasp-inducing plot progression* a stick on the ground!!! :rolleyes: :mad: And perhaps by the end of the season Locke sees Alcatraz.

I think this could be both a spiritual metaphor and direction. Lift up thine eyes usually connotes elevate your mind. It can mean release the past and move to higher ground (meaning a higher vibration or way of thinking). So metaphorically it can mean leave your past ways, or let go of self pity, that type of thing. And each direction has meaning. Fire water earth air. I don't remember but North could mean fire. It also means a color, and in the bible each direction means some significant change, like east is new beginnings. If I remember correctly (and dont quote me on this) but I think North means judgement..the day of the Lord. So, it could mean clean up, judgement is coming. And it could give directions also to the flame station...fire, and where there is fire there is smoke, so it could also be warning where smokey resides or comes from.

The quote I found for Genesis 13:14-17 was this: "Lift up your eyes from where you are and look north and south, east and west. 15 All the land that you see I will give to you and your offspring forever. 16 I will make your offspring like the dust of the earth, so that if anyone could count the dust, then your offspring could be counted. 17 Go, walk through the length and breadth of the land, for I am giving it to you." I got the impression that the Jesus Stick was Eko's way of reminding himself of things he should remember. The message here seems to be that God giveth (and thus taketh away?). It seems to mean something like "don't lose the faith." More recently, it could have been a hint that God gives life and now it has been taken away from Eko because he broke his connection with God by not confessing. But that's for another topic. Of course, for Locke it might lead him further into the mysteries of the island on an entirely different meaning. Here are my ideas:

1. If Locke takes this scripture literally, it is referring to something on the north side of the island or north OF the island. Is it a clue that magnetism on the island is fixed now that the electromagnet of the Swan Hatch is destroyed and that they can use a compass now? What's located to the north? We know the tail section is. We know the radio station is. Pala Ferry probably too. Or maybe, as someone else mentioned earlier, it's a hint that the arctic guys watching for electromagnetic anomalies are on their way. Even more literally, it might mean to look up and north. When the failsafe was activated, is there a possibility that ANOTHER plane was flying overhead when the magnet turned the sky purple? With all that noise, buzzing, and head throbbing, it wouldn't surprise me that a plane flew overhead while they all ducked and covered. We are told repeatedly not to mistake coincidence for fate. Is it coincidence that the Oceanic Flight 815 crashed the same the day the magnet went overboard? Would it be coincidence if another plane did the same thing?

2. Playing off of the last post, it could be a reference to symbolic north. According to most eastern cultures (Chinese, Japanese), North stands for the element water, the color black (or blue), the tortoise (or snake), death, and the limit of humanity. Perhaps the color black could be linked with the Black Rock? Are they supposed to return to the Black Rock for some dynamite? Alternately, marine life is represented by the North. As with most people's guesses, that would indicate the Hydra station and aquarium as the destination. Who knows.

3. Here's an outlandish idea. In the First Season, Locke's eyes are replaced by the white and black stones in Claire's dream. Are we finally going to see them put into action when they go north? The idea of the choosing stones seems to be another link to Stephen King from his book "The Storm of the Century" where a town is forced to use seven white stones and one black stone to make a terrible choice. The person with the black stone loses. Could the same idea be headed our way?

i dont like the whole idea of the smoke monster being controlled by patchy. it takes away the supernatural, mysterious aspect of the monster

What is the flame?

Perhaps 'north' has to do with the broken compass not pointing north?

It can't just be a simple clue because it meant something to Locke. What did he recognize when he saw it?
I agree, it has something to do with the same thing that led to Sayid's confusion because his compass said north was one direction, yet he said "I know where north should be." As in: the compass did not match up with the natural clues as to where north should be.

Whatever this is about, it is big and it is central to unlocking the secrets and power of the island, imho.

"Lift up your eyes and look north". What will they find north? Another hatch, the Flame, Patchy? Hmmm.


I hope it means that Alcatraz Island is north. Locke's got a clue now. But I'm not holding my breath cuz I'm just enjoying the story & the scenery (gawd Hawaii's gorgeous & I wanna go baaaaack there!) Could mean anything, could be even something new we've never seen or heard of before. Another new mystery. ewwww bring it on. Just more cud for our mandibles to chaw. :)

My first thought about lift up your eyes and look north is of the North Star. The North Star's position is constant in the sky and has been used as a navigation tool by sailors for centuries. It is also only visible in the Northern Hemisphere so might give a clue as to the island's location.

If I remember correctly, the sun was coming up to the right of Ben and Sawyer at daybreak when they were looking at Craphole Island. The sun rises in the east so Hydra Island would be to the south.

The Flame Hatch is north of the "line in the sand" that the Others drew. It is also is positioned directly opposite of where the cable goes underground on the hatch map.

I think "lift up your eyes and look north" might mean a lot of things.

P.S. You know what else? In terms of the bigness of this thing, I think it all has to do with some possible time/space "rip" the island might be in, some anomaly of time and space to do with the island, as has been hinted at in many ways from Sayid's scene with the compass, to Sawyer's reading "A Wrinkle in Time", etc. I think Desmond experienced whatever that special energy/"magnetic anomaly" is up close and personal when the hatch exploded, releasing all that energy and he was at Ground Zero. And now look at him: he keeps having precognitions. "It's about time, it's about space..."

i dont like the whole idea of the smoke monster being controlled by patchy. it takes away the supernatural, mysterious aspect of the monster

I totally agree. This Patchy guy is merely surmising by tans & I'm not believing it until Damian & Carlton make it so.

"Lift up your eyes and look north". What will they find north? Another hatch, the Flame, Patchy? Hmmm.


I believe that Locke will find the other island. The reason why is this: On the blast door map there is a mountain range drawn in, and close by the range there is a footnote that says, "other roads or means of travel". The mountain range is marked in the most north part of the map. I belive that there are tunnels connecting the hydra station to the main island much like the legs of the hydra creature. Locke will more than likely find the other island by heading north if not the tunnels as well.

The stick read, "Lift up your eyes and look north," and had the citation John 3:05.

Except that's not John 3:05. The quote seems to be a reference to Genesis 13:14-17: "And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward..."

John 3:05 is: "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Link here (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2013:14-17;John%203:05;&version=9;).

Water = Hydra station? Nah, thinking too much. I think Locke is too. He sees "John" on the stick and thinks Eko means him.

i was very frustrated, because i knew that this was not the listing for the verse that was above it. oh well, i am glad that someone else caught this.....

Eko has lots of random scripture on his stick. Perhaps the north bit and John 3:05 aren't supposed to be connected.

Does the 'north' business have to do with the messed up compass not pointing north?

Where did y'all get the flame station idea from? Ive never heard of that before.

I looked up the scripture in my bible and this is what mine says
Genesis 13:14 says "And the Lord said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him: "Lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are - northward, southward, eastward, and westward;"
and John 3:5 says "Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
:huh:

The thing is, why would Eko write it? Did he write it and coincidentally Locke will take it as a sign, or did Eko write it as a clue for Locke to find JKS, or whatever the hell it is that he's got to find?

I think it'll be JKS, but what's the point? How would they get to the other island... without a boat?

Im a christian..but there is not one single reason to look at scripture to understand this.


The context was that the stick fell out of the sky. The message said lift up your eyes. So it means to go up high(where the stick came from) and look North.

Now, what is John's mission? 2 missons. Save Jack and friends. Locate the other hatches to do so. The hatch they are looking for is Patchy Hatch. So its most likely that this hatch can be found with the advise.

BTW..the hatch they were just in was also found from a message(question mark) and getting to high ground was how they found that hatch too.

There is no reason tangle yourself in a web.

"Lift up your eyes and look north John" I think it's a sign for Locke to go on his walkabout to solve the riddle of the smoke monster.

I bet it means he will find the radio tower, climb it and see the other island....and who knows what else from that high point of view?!?!?

;)

well per some entries looking north does not necessarily mean looking up. North is where the answers will be found for Locke. imho. The second island, the radio tower, patchy...? Who knows but for the first time I think Locke is zeroed in on a real clue and a true direction. iI bet that man walks north til his feet bleed. He has that dazed look like he did when he discovered the hatch...

"Lift up your eyes and look north". What will they find north? Another hatch, the Flame, Patchy? Hmmm.


The other island perhaps???

Eko may have dreamed the phrase and wrote it on his stick to remind him of what he is supposed to do. Like he dreamed about "find the question mark". He didn't know what that meant, but Locke did. Speculation of course. I think it fits though.

Whatever reason he had, it must have been carved before the the hatch imploded because he never had the stick after that.

Pardon my silly question, but how do you go north on an island where your compass doesn't work? Are we to assume that the hatch blast took care of the magenetic characteristics of the island?

Now is that north-north or Island deviation north?

Pardon my silly question, but how do you go north on an island where your compass doesn't work?

Use the sun as a guide - it never lies.

Pardon my silly question, but how do you go north on an island where your compass doesn't work? Are we to assume that the hatch blast took care of the magenetic characteristics of the island?


Come on now, its John Locke. He doesnt need a compass to know which way is north. This here is a man that is quickly ascending to Chuck Norris status.


Example: John Locke doesnt need a compass to find his way, the magnetic poles change with where he moves so that his way finds him.

Walt mentioned he was "up north" on the computer when talking to Michael

Im a christian..but there is not one single reason to look at scripture to understand this.
The context was that the stick fell out of the sky. The message said lift up your eyes. So it means to go up high(where the stick came from) and look North.
Now, what is John's mission? 2 missons. Save Jack and friends. Locate the other hatches to do so. The hatch they are looking for is Patchy Hatch. So its most likely that this hatch can be found with the advise.
BTW..the hatch they were just in was also found from a message(question mark) and getting to high ground was how they found that hatch too.
There is no reason tangle yourself in a web.

I agree. The stick did, indeed,come out of the sky (Locke's 1st clue).

When Locke looked at the stick and saw the message, he also saw his name near it, so he, in "faith", took it as a message for him (2nd clue). That is the only connection between the scripture verses being mentioned. I really don't think the writers are going farther on that issue. I also don't believe that Eko intentionally wrote this message to Locke specifically- it may have just been from a dream/vision he had...and I would go far as to say possibly from the "monster" itself, but we don't have any solid evidence of this thus far.

I believe Locke connected his name (John) with the message, the stick falling out of the sky or a tree, the map in the hatch (by the way- great call on that John B.!), and the fact they they also found the other hatch because of the map. He processed all this info and then...ding!...we saw the proverbial lightbulb go of in his head. I truly believe that Locke will either head to high ground or a high tree and look North to find the place where Sawyer, Kate, and Jack are, in efforts to save them.

I believe that Locke with find a Dharma-burger fast food place being run by the ghosts of Yemi and Eko. The whole background story behind the island is a marketing gimmick. :biggrin:

I read some posts at another site about the lines on the Dharma logos being identical to the directions on a chinese ba gua compass. Does anyone have more information on this? Could the Dharma logo lines provide a clue as to where/what "north" is?

My first thought about lift up your eyes and look north is of the North Star. The North Star's position is constant in the sky and has been used as a navigation tool by sailors for centuries. It is also only visible in the Northern Hemisphere so might give a clue as to the island's location.

If I remember correctly, the sun was coming up to the right of Ben and Sawyer at daybreak when they were looking at Craphole Island. The sun rises in the east so Hydra Island would be to the south.

The Flame Hatch is north of the "line in the sand" that the Others drew. It is also is positioned directly opposite of where the cable goes underground on the hatch map.

I think "lift up your eyes and look north" might mean a lot of things.

I was about to mentiont TPTB comment from s1, when people were trying to locate the island they said that we should look to the skies instead of on the ground. I wonder if this comment to Locke to connected or not.

[quote=Ladybug_ocean;1269559]"Lift up your eyes and look north". What will they find north? [/quote
Perhaps another fourbucks.opps "STARBUCKS?" to quote Charlie

Like other's have mentioned - North doesn't mean squat because the magnetic interferance on the island is mucking it up... not to mention John gave up his compass because he said he "doesn't need it anymore"

And if the past is any reference, this message will only send John on another goose chase for the island and more people will get sacrificed in the process.

That is why I'm much more inclined to believe that - like scripture - this message is much more applicable as a sentiment.

"lift up your eyes and look to the north."

could easily be...

"stop being down on yourself and get back your focus, John."

- and btw...

there's several islands according to Danielle's maps... not just 2

[quote=SenatorKent;1271699]Eko has lots of random scripture on his stick. Perhaps the north bit and John 3:05 aren't supposed to be connected.

Does the 'north' business have to do with the messed up compass not pointing north?

I was thinking the same thing with the compass question. 3:05 would actually be a heading of NWN. I think it's telling John to look north at a specific compass heading of 305. If Locke knows to adjust the compass for variation/deviation which is standard procedure (militarily), he might land on just what he's supposed to find - J/K/S? Perhaps now that the hatch ex(im)ploded the magnet won't interfere?

my $02

I believe they will go the north end of the island which will be this so called flame station, which will somehow encompass the Patchman as well as the radio tower; the radio tower will somehow be used to see the Other Island. I also believe someone else will get blown up by dynamite along the way. :grin:

The passage from which "Lift up your eyes and look North" comes, Gen 13:14, is written above the text on the stick, as opposed to below.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1185&pos=15

The text from John 3:05, "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God," to me, lends itself to the theory that the Other island is north - it could suggest that John must cross the water. The word John also probably got his attention, I agree - "Lift up your eyes and look North, JOHN."

Also, the mural in the Hatch (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Mural3.jpg) shows what appears to be two large landmasses separated by water, with a large arrow pointing up and to the left. It always looked like a bit like a map to me - so maybe "up" in the mural refers to "North."

I don't know much about compass headings, but the 305 idea is interesting... what does that say about where Ben sent Mike & Walt, though? He told them to head for 325...

A bunch of things here:
1) If north is 0/360 on a compass, then a heading of 325 would be right before the "11" on a clock-face. i.e. kind of NNW.
2) If look North means 'look up', it may be a reference to the North Star (for compass directions) or it may mean to look up to the ceiling of the 'Truman Show'-type dome that some are theorizing that they are in. (Which I still believe is a viable option. My belief is based on the falling "Quarantine ' sign at the end of Season 2. I took it to show that the magnet was getting so powerful that it pulled down the hatch where people opened it up to drop down the food supplies. My friend thought that the polarity of the magnet had changed and that it repelled things at the end of the implosion showing that the hatch had blown upwards and was now falling back down again. but 2 things are wrong with that--1) why did no other part of the hatch fall down and 2) why was nothing else blown away ?)
3) If look North means compass North: remember that on the Hatch map that the Tailies camp/hathc was North.
4) The 'North' may be a combination of the northward and upward concepts--meaning that he should head northward and go up the mountain to where the OtherVillage presumably is.

Who says their are two islands? Ben? I think that Ben told Sawyer he was on a second islands so he would give up hope to escape. Ben is smart, very smart. He's been playing Jack, Kate and all of the Losties since he put himself in the net. First 6 shows this season have all played out to Ben's Psyco work.

The real question is "lift your eyes" What does that really mean?

Here is a copy of the blast door map. I don't know how accurate it is but it sure is easy to read. It shows the Flame as being west-ish and the Arrow as being north-ish.

http://www.lost4815162342.com/blastmap.htm

And here is Danielle's map.

http://www.hanttula.com/projects/lost/images/notebook-rousseaus-map2.jpg

Neither of these reveal anything to me as I am navigationally challenged.

or maybe the others base camp we saw in ep 1 of this series?

On Eko's stick, was there an actual scripture reference? Like John chapter ? verse ?

I'm a loser with no TiVo :(


Found a few Biblical references that I found when looking for "lift up your eyes.."

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=13&verse=14&version=31&context=verse

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=29&chapter=51&verse=6&version=31&context=verse

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=30&chapter=13&verse=20&version=31&context=verse

Just some of the ones I thought could pertain to the show.

Well, if they're only looking up, I would say that they might see another plane crash or something like that. They'd have to actually travel north to find any of those things, right? They're not just going to find them by looking up.

"Lift up your eyes" and your head, and the rest of your body.
Lift yourself up high enough, say in a balloon would give you a bird's eye view, look north, and pretty easy to see the other island that way.

I originally posted this on another thread and after reading this one I am sure that the 305 is a compass heading for Locke to follow, after all Eko did tell him that he was a "Hunter"

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Originally Posted by sandyg2 http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/images/FuselageGreen/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1272033#post1272033)
I don' know if they gave it away too early. I think it's that we as viewers and Locke didn't really see the clue. In the eppy where the stick falls on Locke from out of the tree, we and Locke were focused on the word north, hense we are led north to the polar bear to find Eko.

But when Locke sees the inscription and really looks at it in last nights show, I (and Locke) were focused on the look north and then the 3:05.

Remember when Ben tells Michael to follow the compas heading of 325 and he will find rescue, I think Locke looks at 3 05 and knows what heading to take to find Jack Kate and Sawyer.

Comments???

Sandy

Pretty clever Sandy ;) . I was wondering about the significance of 3:05 myself. I only picked up on the John part as being a message to Locke. If he sees the 'North', 'John', '305' as the actual clue then he is really picking up on something new and I stand corrected. I'm anxious to see what he does with the information now to see if the 305 is in fact a compass bearing. Thanks for pointing that out.


What he will find is yet to be determined.... the flame hatch, radio tower or alcatrz....


Sandy

Granted we don't have a good idea where the island is, but assuming the plane was traveling from Australia to L.A. before it got off course, we can probably assume that they are still in the Southern hemisphere. If so, you don't see the North Star and there's not really a South Star that works the same way.

Eko's stick also showed other verses... I wonder if the other verses were selected for a purpose and may also tie in with the "Look north" message. I don't have a copy of the Bible with me and so I can't look them up but maybe someone else will be inspired to take on this challenge.

View of Eko's stick:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1185&pos=15

If they are at the South Pole, then every direction is North.

The flame hatch is my guess.

"Lift up your eyes and look north". What will they find north? Another hatch, the Flame, Patchy? Hmmm.

Jeremiah 13:20 Lift up your eyes, and behold them that come from the north: where is the flock that was given thee, thy beautiful flock?

Ezekiel 8:5 Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry.

Interesting, isn't it? We'll have to wait, watch, and see.

i thought that it was more obvious than this peopole... It said "look north" John 3:14...the same heading that Michael and walt set sail to... North corrdinates 314...so does this mean that Locke knows the way off the island?

i thought that it was more obvious than this peopole... It said "look north" John 3:14...the same heading that Michael and walt set sail to... North corrdinates 314...so does this mean that Locke knows the way off the island?

Wowzaa! I remembered that Michael and Walt sailed north, but were the coordinates really 314? That would be great!

Wait! I just looked at the Jesus stick carvings, and now, it's maybe not so clear. By the look north quote there is a Gen 13:14 on the top left. So the addition of the 1 makes it a tad more murky. But still could be a connection! And I'm sure that a verse from John carved below it is no accident either.

the coordinate Ben gave michael were 325

Ezekiel 8:5 Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry

I wonder if this altar of jealousy will have anything to do with the four toed statue? Wasn't there an old testament reference to a four toed statue in Isaiah?

But North on the compass isn't true here on the island of mystery.

I think it would be even funnier to have Patchy's name be Mr. North.

In maps north is UP. Maybe they should climb the highest spot they see and take a look around (finally) --- heck they might see they have island neighbors.:rolleyes:

Perhaps it's the radio tower.

Granted we don't have a good idea where the island is, but assuming the plane was traveling from Australia to L.A. before it got off course, we can probably assume that they are still in the Southern hemisphere. If so, you don't see the North Star and there's not really a South Star that works the same way.


no there's no "South Star" but there is a constellation called the Southern Cross that marks south


ETA: from wiki:

With the lack of a significant pole star in the southern sky (Sigma Octantis is closest to the pole, but is so faint as to be useless for the purpose), two of the stars of Crux (Alpha and Gamma, Acrux, and Gacrux respectively) are commonly used to mark south. Following the line defined by the two stars for approximately 4.5 times the distance between them leads to a point close to the Southern Celestial Pole.

so then perhaps Locke could find his way North using the constellations, even with no magnetic guidance.

Maybe since turning the failsafe key, they can use a compass again.

I just posted this on another forum: they will see another plane coming, and Jacob's gonna be on it. He will be HIM and he will probably be a character we have already met, my guess: Anthony Cooper. The Others may have been clearing up a runway for this plane to land. HE is coming in 2 weeks. Probably the episode will be called HIM. It might even be the season finale.

If they are at the South Pole, then every direction is North.

I was actually thinking they might be at the North Pole, where essentially there is no North. Only problem with that (aside from hot weather, which could only be explained by global warming gone haywire) is that the sunshine would become increasingly sporadic, eventually to the point of becoming nonexistent for several months. I'm not sure how exactly it would work at the poles. Not that I'd object to a few night scenes, we haven't seen much of them in Season 3 yet.

Here's something else kind of crazy I was thinking. Locke gets to wherever he is "supposed" to go, looks North, and sees nothing. So in a huff, he (and whoever tags along) pitch camp for the night. In the darkness, Locke awakens to a vision of Eko telling him to go outside and look again. Locke steps outside, looks North, and there are two moons in the sky. That takes care of the whole tide problem.

Eko's stick also showed other verses... I wonder if the other verses were selected for a purpose and may also tie in with the "Look north" message. I don't have a copy of the Bible with me and so I can't look them up but maybe someone else will be inspired to take on this challenge.

View of Eko's stick:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1185&pos=15
We started discussing the fact that the stick changed since FI here :http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=64255&page=4
We posted the possible verses & our thoughts, if your interested

i sure hope its a WEED greenhouse

The Hurleybird's nest. :happy_bounce:

All of these specualtions are interesting but until someone can tell me how Eko would know, let's see

Where the Others are
Where the radio tower is
Where another hatch might be
Where the other island is

Or any of the other ideas of what could be up north, I'm taking this as another of Locke's "signs" which mean something only to him. As far as I can see, Eko would have no way of knowing where any of these things would be. He carved scripture on his stick. Things that meant something to him. John is just back on his desinty kick making everything mean a message just for him.

i really dont think its gonna be a radio tower or the other island. or a plane or something. maybe it will be a clue on he path to patchy...
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Maybe since turning the failsafe key, they can use a compass again.

thats a good thought. we havent really learned the effects of the hatch blowing up yet...like if it changes the magnetic thing.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Tailies crashed on the Northern part of the island? If so, Eko could've witnessed plenty of things on his walk through the jungle. He was doing his 40 days of silence thing, so none of the Fusies probably thought to ask him what he saw. Once he and John connected, he knew John would be the one who would understand any 'message' he might've left. The last time he had his stick was when he was in the Swan punching the numbers away. Who knows what he was doing while sealed inside. Just my thoughts..

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Tailies crashed on the Northern part of the island? If so, Eko could've witnessed plenty of things on his walk through the jungle. He was doing his 40 days of silence thing, so none of the Fusies probably thought to ask him what he saw. Once he and John connected, he knew John would be the one who would understand any 'message' he might've left. The last time he had his stick was when he was in the Swan punching the numbers away. Who knows what he was doing while sealed inside. Just my thoughts..

That's not a bad point, though if Eko knew things about the north side of the island, why wouldn't Eko share this info with Locke, while he was still alive? Oh wait, characters not sharing info is a recurring theme on Lost.

Thing is Locke has to life up his eyes AND look north... is there something in the sky or at a height?


I'm with you with at a height. They're in a different part of the Island than when they tried to get the radio working in season one. So I hope they climb a little and look north to see the other Island. Regardless, it will take the Locke and Sayid a few eppies to try and figure a way over there...But that's what I think. The Flame station and Patch will busy Locke and Sayid first. I cant wait to see if Patch is friend or foe. I truly hope it's friend.

Namaste, Eric.

PS "I've been theorizing secretly that the "tunnel" Smokey tried to drag Locke into connects to the other Island. Some of you fusers know I've been a "believer" of a second Island for a while now. Is that too far fetched? :eek2: !!!
Just checking! Thanks."

I just hope it finally answers the question of why the compass didn't work in S1...that is yet another dangler out there...true North was not were true North was suppossed to be and I for one want to know why...

I just hope it finally answers the question of why the compass didn't work in S1...that is yet another dangler out there...true North was not were true North was suppossed to be and I for one want to know why...

I was under the impressoin that the magnetic properties of the island were throwing off compass readings, is this not the case?

My first thought about lift up your eyes and look north is of the North Star. The North Star's position is constant in the sky and has been used as a navigation tool by sailors for centuries. It is also only visible in the Northern Hemisphere so might give a clue as to the island's location.

If I remember correctly, the sun was coming up to the right of Ben and Sawyer at daybreak when they were looking at Craphole Island. The sun rises in the east so Hydra Island would be to the south.

The Flame Hatch is north of the "line in the sand" that the Others drew. It is also is positioned directly opposite of where the cable goes underground on the hatch map.

I think "lift up your eyes and look north" might mean a lot of things.

Mona, as someone else has posted in this thread - they're probably in the Southern hemispehere - so no visible North Star!

I believe that Locke will find the other island. The reason why is this: On the blast door map there is a mountain range drawn in, and close by the range there is a footnote that says, "other roads or means of travel". The mountain range is marked in the most north part of the map. I belive that there are tunnels connecting the hydra station to the main island much like the legs of the hydra creature. Locke will more than likely find the other island by heading north if not the tunnels as well.

Toyplaneowner, as HARLEYRACE has said elsewhere in this thread, I'm not convinced there is another island. What proof do you have other than Ben's word when he'd been conning Sawyer. What makes you want to selectively start believing any of the things that Ben says?

I bet it means he will find the radio tower, climb it and see the other island....and who knows what else from that high point of view?!?!?

;)

Again, Colonel S, what the source of your proof that there's another island?

The other island perhaps???

OK HoardingHurley, what's your proof that there's another island?

Who says their are two islands? Ben? I think that Ben told Sawyer he was on a second islands so he would give up hope to escape. Ben is smart, very smart. He's been playing Jack, Kate and all of the Losties since he put himself in the net. First 6 shows this season have all played out to Ben's Psyco work.

The real question is "lift your eyes" What does that really mean?

Thanks HARLEYRACE - exactly my point too. Who says there are two islands - BEN!!:eek2:

Granted we don't have a good idea where the island is, but assuming the plane was traveling from Australia to L.A. before it got off course, we can probably assume that they are still in the Southern hemisphere. If so, you don't see the North Star and there's not really a South Star that works the same way.

Absolutely agree WickedOrNot!

I'm just naturally distrustful of anything that Ben says - at or least everything he said before he was on the operating table staring his own mortality in the face.

My guess is that TPTB have duped most people into thinking there's a second island just as Ben duped Sawyer and broke his will to escape.

....of course I could have to eat my words!!:biggrin:

The following description of magnetic deviation comes from Wikipedia. It states that compass adjustments change over time.

"Magnetic deviation is the error induced in a compass by local magnetic fields, which must be allowed for, along with magnetic declination, if accurate bearings are to be calculated.

Relevant local magnetic fields include:

the metal parts of the compass or the ship or vehicle it is travelling in.
variations in the earth's magnetic fields caused by variations in the earth's crust and mantle
variations caused by mountains, iron ore deposits, etc.In nautical terminology deviation is the error caused by the metal parts of the ship, an error dependent on the magnetic heading (the angle the ship makes to magnetic north) whereas declination, also called variation, is the difference between true north and direction of the earth's magnetic field at that point without the ship. Of course variation in this sense is due to the location of the magnetic north pole as well as local geological conditions.

The former sources of magnetic deviation vary from compass to compass or vehicle to vehicle. However, they are independent of location, and thus the compass can be calibrated to accommodate them. The later sources of magnetic deviation vary according to location, and also vary over time (conditions in the earth's crust/mantle change over time.) Generally, they are indicated on maps, so you must take into account the deviation for your current location. In the short term, these changes are predictable, and maps generally indicate the year in which the deviation was determined, and an amount to add for each subsequent year, for a period of several years. However, after that period, the predictions would become increasingly inaccurate.

Non-magnetic methods of taking bearings, such as astronomical observations, satellites (as GPS) or radio navigation, are not subject to magnetic deviation. Thus, a comparison of bearings taken with such methods with the bearing given by a compass can be used to compute local magnetic deviation.

I take back my last comment. They will find the radio tower, climb it and see Miami. Which then then Sayid will volunteer to swim to, and be picked up by the Coast Guard and arrested, being confused for a Cuban. Sayid will then explain to him the Losties crash story, and they'll blow it off for a Cubanized bermuda triangle story. I'm bored...

only the handwriting didn't look like the rest. Didn't Desmond ask John about the stick on the 'previously on lost' portion of further instructions?

Is it posisble Desmond wrote it?

That's a very interesting theory. I like it, because everything Eko carved into the stick was Biblical scripture, yet that passage doesn't appear anywhere in the Bible. Having Desmond, who has been showing evidence of newly acquired precognitive abilities, write that on the stick to help lead the Losties along is important. My guess is he has already seen more events in the future than he has let on so far.