You know, if she had actually tried to take out that second guy after Sawyer clearly gave her a free shot at him after punching him, maybe Sawyer wouldnt have had to back down to save her!! >_<

i mean shes been playing the damsil in distress baggage part this entire mini series.

Yeah, totally agree. I really dislike what they've done to her character in these six episodes. She's completely different from the take-charge character we saw in the other two seasons. I have always liked Kate and defended her, but now.... I can't even defend her. She's just pointless and it's really sad. :frown:

Yeah it's unbelievable how easily they can get her at gunpoint, this is not the same bankrobber we know!

What good would it have done her? She & Sawyer both believe there is no where to run.

she was still screaming for sawyer to fight tho, how about she fights? what does she suddenly need her man to save her? *rolls eyes*

What good would it have done her? She & Sawyer both believe there is no where to run.

So it's better to let them get the upperhand so they can kill Saywer?

Yeah, no kidding. At the onset of the episode, when she entered the hotel room with some luggage and opened it, I immediately thought, "Ooh! Ooh! She's gonna pull out a gun and be all shady and shifty-eyed like the Kate we used to know and love!"

But.. it was her wedding dress. I'm not sure if it could've been more of the opposite. Oh well, we all knew this was the FB episode of her marriage, don't know why I let myself get so excited.

she was still screaming for sawyer to fight tho, how about she fights? what does she suddenly need her man to save her? *rolls eyes*

Yeah. One thing I've always liked about Kate is that she's not a complete stereotype of a woman that most T.V shows have.
Now...

I was thinking the same...Kate should've helped Sawyer fight. I mean, she showed no mercy at all to the Marshall, why be a "damsel" with the Others, even if there IS no place to run? They could still try to take over the Others, as there doesn't seem to be that many of them. Not the ones who guard them, anyway....
Since when is she the type to stand there and YELL as a way to "help"?
So not in character, I don't care, I don't think that being on the Island for 2 months could've changed her that much.

she was still screaming for sawyer to fight tho, how about she fights? what does she suddenly need her man to save her? *rolls eyes*




Agrees Princeex86 the whole Kate scenario is getting old, but I do get the feeling we have still not seen the real reason she is acting sooooooooooo lame, there is more to this than Sawyer getting threatened and beaten up every week, which is also getting old.

we still don't know what they did to her before they brought her to the cage. Could have some effect on her behavior now.

The character "Kate" is not writing the ep! The Kate chararcter is controlled by TPTB

If any of you saw the American promo for the next episode, I think it's safe to say that the OLD KATE is gonna make an appearance...SOON. And an Other or two might be bleeding from the head, too. :biggrin:

Agrees Princeex86 the whole Kate scenario is getting old, but I do get the feeling we have still not seen the real reason she is acting sooooooooooo lame, there is more to this than Sawyer getting threatened and beaten up every week, which is also getting old.

I used to think this way about Kate, that there was more to it, but now I think that her storyline isn't supposed to be so mysterious and that we're supposed to take her at face value.

If any of you saw the American promo for the next episode, I think it's safe to say that the OLD KATE is gonna make an appearance...SOON. And an Other or two might be bleeding from the head, too. :biggrin:Yup, looks like all that screaming Jacks doing over the walkie talkie is finally going to jolt her awake. Hopfully it'll last, I've been waiting way too long for this.

Yeah, I kind'a thought that maybe they'd done something to Kate after her breakfast with Ben to make her so docile (not fighting back physically, that is), but now I don't know.
What pen says about taking Kate at face value now makes sense to me. (not that much about this show does make sense, but that's part of why I love it!)

Also remember that Kate and Sawyer don't appear to be getting three meals a day, nor are they getting rest and sleep in the most comfortable accommodations. Plus they're doing daily manual labor. Now throw in their new sleeping arrangements, and those fish biscuit calories are going to be depleted asap. ;)

So it's better to let them get the upperhand so they can kill Saywer?


No - but what exactly was she supposed to do? Say she & Sawyer both got the guns & held them on those two thugs - then what? They had no where to run - AND there would be 5 or 6 people after them with guns to shoot them down on the run. Wouldn't it be better to use brains to try & get out of the situation.

exactly. There was according to Kate and Sawyer no where to run. Even if Sawyer was tricked into thinking there are 2 islands, that's what he believes and so does Kate now. I don't think Kate is useless at all. Give the story time, jeez!!

No - but what exactly was she supposed to do? Say she & Sawyer both got the guns & held them on those two thugs - then what? They had no where to run - AND there would be 5 or 6 people after them with guns to shoot them down on the run. Wouldn't it be better to use brains to try & get out of the situation.

I guess, personally I don't think the two islands fact should discourage kate and sawyer as much as it has. If Kate and Sawyer took a few seconds to think about it, they'd realise that if they are on another island, they had to be transported there somehow, if they attacked the others, took their guns and took them hostage, they could demand to get the boat or transporatation back to the other island. (and they could demand to get jack back a well) They are both supposed to be cons who can handle a fight and firearms, it just seems like they should think of a better plan then just giving up and letting themselves be shot.

What if Ben's Bbreakfast on the beach and what followed were informing Kate that lo and behold is is preggers! That would explainn her becoming so passive:confused:

What if Ben's Bbreakfast on the beach and what followed were informing Kate that lo and behold is is preggers! That would explainn her becoming so passive:confused:

Hey I like this idea, and since we know from her FB that she associates being pregnant with feeling tied down and not part of her nature, this could explain her change in moods, though I don't personally want Kate to be pregnant.

:biggrin: Hey I like this idea, and since we know from her FB that she associates being pregnant with feeling tied down and not part of her nature, this could explain her change in moods, though I don't personally want Kate to be pregnant.

me either .we have enough 'developement" as there is. If the equation is correct population growth is counterproductive:biggrin: :biggrin:

i didnt realize that peoples personalities always ride the same high of confidence and consquence. once a bank robber always a bank robber, right? no one can be vulnerable, defeated, etc. for a period of time to find the other side of their personality later?

id be more disappointed that no one here questions the psychological motiviations of why the Others have been completely psychotic from the start, creating this web of immature leverage games called "TV DRAMA". why front the rigid science look when they could have just built a highschool on the island and called the show 90210 on an Island.



Yeah it's unbelievable how easily they can get her at gunpoint, this is not the same bankrobber we know!

i didnt realize that peoples personalities always ride the same high of confidence and consquence. once a bank robber always a bank robber, right? no one can be vulnerable, defeated, etc. for a period of time to find the other side of their personality later?

Yeah you making a good point, but what exactly made Kate feel vulnerable and defeated, people continually want to know what happened after the Kate/Ben breakfast scene because from what we have been shown, there's nothing that compelling that would justify Kate's change in character. (Although Gregg Nations did say he thought Kate's character feels trapped and that is why she seems so passive)

It's not just that Kate is doing nothing ... she actually hurts the situation. She drags down whoever she is with.

The crying, sniffing, whiny Kate sucks!! I used to love her character because she was strong and a survivalist, even if it meant sacrifice. I thought to myself that there is finally a meaty female character on TV. Then they turned her into a sterotypical mushy woman who turned to goo over a man. Just terrrible.

Kate being totally useless in the presence of the Others hails back all the way to "The Hunting Party".

I have to admit that I'm not loving 3rd season Kate either. But I do understand it. Here is a woman who is used to being self-sufficient. She did not like being tied down or dependent on anyone for things. She is a take-charge woman who likes, maybe even needs to be in control.

But now she is completely out of her element. We can't forget just how hard and long she fought from getting captured by the Marshall. Nothing was worse to her than being captured. And now she's been captured. She has no control. I don't think the Others have physically done anything to her (other than what we've seen) but they certainly have psychologically damaged her. She's not herself right now. She's been broken. Her greatest fear in the world has come true. And really, it's not all that out of character for her. When we saw her on the plane, sitting next to the Marshall, she looked defeated. She appeared to have given up hope; she accepted the fact that she had been captured. She wasn't trying to run. She wasn't fighting back.

And I think that's what is going on now, especially after Sawyer told her there was nowhere to run. She just stoppped fighting.

For those who are concerned about Kate not doing anything --

If you watch the preview, you can see continuation of that scene -- you can clearly see the beginning of a moment that Kate makes. The movement? Smashing Jason (Pickett's buddy) in the face with the walkie-talkie. :cool: