Is there SERIOUSLY no thread on this yet? Or am I blind? Alright, here's a place to discuss. :biggrin:

Who else loved it? I thought it was so beautiful and tender, only disappointing part was that she didn't say she loves him again. But he loves her. :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

I was ticked off Jack had to see that. I'm not a shipper or anything but you could tell Jack wanted some of that tenderness and Sawyer got it. Ouch!

And I think she didn't need to say she loved him again... kissing him passionately when he asked was good enough. Sawyer seemed to interpret it that way when he said, "I love you, too" in response to the kiss.

Is this thread only for people who loved this?

I thought it was romantic.

And I think she didn't need to say she loved him again... kissing him passionately when he asked was good enough. Sawyer seemed to interpret it that way when he said, "I love you, too" in response to the kiss.

You're totally right. It was implied by her kiss and she wasn't all like "I only kissed you because..." after Sawyer said "I love you too." I'm actually really surprised he said that. Looks like the tigers have changed their stripes after all.

I liked that scene too. I think it was well done. I don't really care for Jack but I felt bad for him having to see that.

I am so glad it happened!!! But I feel it was all set up...telling Kate he would die so she would be likely to make love to him...and having Jack walk in and see it on the screen.

Is this thread only for people who loved this?
Well, I'd be sad if it turned into a big debate about if the scene was good or not, but it's a free board. :smile:

That's true, it took 41 monutes for this thread to go up. I have to say it was an incredibly sensual scene. :)

And for once on this show a woman has sex and doesn't die!

I think the "Shippers" are trying to be sensitive of each other... Everybody's really been awesome!!!

About the scenes - very sweet, and very tastefully done. I cried through the whole thing - now - 3 times.

That's true, it took 41 monutes for this thread to go up. I have to say it was an incredibly sensual scene. :)

And for once on this show a woman has sex and doesn't die!
Uh oh, pen, don't tempt people. Chicken littles all around the board are going to start wondering when Kate will die! Do you think it will be episode 7? ;)

I think the "Shippers" are trying to be sensitive of each other... Everybody's really been awesome!!!
I hope the sensitivity lasts. I feel badly for Jack, I really do. The scene with he and Kate was extremely powerful.

That's true, it took 41 monutes for this thread to go up. I have to say it was an incredibly sensual scene. :)

And for once on this show a woman has sex and doesn't die!

I hope it's not the woman that dies this time...

*Tries unsuccesfully to repress hard-core Jate feelings since the very first episode*

Uh-oh I think I am outnumbered here lol

It was the most glorious, perfect, beautiful love scene I've ever seen. The music, the looks they gave each other, the way he was touching her... I can't stop watching it! I think I'll just stay up all night watching it again and again and again!

I :heart: those tender moments AFTER they'd made love. I was just SQUEE when James said those Three Little Words--and MEANT them! :thumbup:

"I wanted you to believe we had a chance." Talk about multi-meaning dialogue!

Of course, I knew Jack didn't change his mind about the surgery cuz he was hurt about James & Kate making love. Good con, Jack! JAMES would :clapping: you if he could've seen it all coming down!

Blecch!
But then, I've never been in favor of the Kate/Sawyer/Jack thing on this show.
That scene was an uneasy one for me to watch, because it's not typical LOST material. A simple profession of love would have been nice for plot development, but I understand - That doesn't translate into ratings.
That being said, I look forward to the show moving past the romance thing. It's OK in the flashbacks, but a bit cheesy in their current lives. ESPECIALLY if they are captives and fearing for their lives.

Am I the only one who thought it was kinda creepy? Just with all the cameras and everything... I mean, I know Kate and Sawyer didn't know (they might have been able to guess), but they really set that whole aspect for the audience...

Other than that the dialogue was so romantic and heartbreaking at the same time... and I'm not really even a shipper (besides the peanut butter kids, of course)

But I was pissed Jack saw it because it gave him another chance to run off and play the broken hearted savior again.

It was completely PERFECT. :inlove:

So tender and loving and romantic, they didn't even need words, sawyer and kate knew what the other was thinking, and kate was the one who initiated both the kissing and the sex...oh and the looks they gave each other, so in love those two...and the post-sex scene was beautiful; i love how personal it felt, like we were intruding on something really private. And the way that kate was sprawled out over his chest, and he had his arms wrapped around her, and she was covered in his shirt. Thw whole thing was done perfectly, and she said it all when she kissed him, we didn't need an "I love you" the look in her eyes, the kiss and the smile said it all. :love:

And i don't really mind if jaters want to give their two cents, but they have to understand that kate has made her choice, its definitive, and so it would be really sad if they come here and trash the scene just cause their's wasn't the ship picked.

I'll admit...I was crying.

It was PERFECT. Josh and Evie NAILED IT. When he asked her "What was that for?" after the first kiss, and she was crying into his chest...I freakin' lost it. Just PERFECT.

Beautifully done. I do hate that Jack had to see them and was pained by it, but he would have found out sooner or later, and have to let Kate go, as he finally learned to do in his episode.

IMO, that was the right way to end a love triangle! :clap:

That's LOVE and not only sex. One of the best (if not the best) love scene I've ever seen. They are ridiculously cute together. Strong chemistry never lies.

"I love you too" *dead* :biggrin: :biggrin:

Oh, amazing scene. I cried.

Their chemistry is so amazing, and like some other posters have said, it wasn't just about sex - they're so in love and you could just feel it. Loved the dialogue, the tenderness and the passion and everything about it. They're so perfect together, and I loved how cute it was afterwards too when they were just lying there together. Swoon!

That's LOVE and not only sex.
You know, it's funny, I actually debated with myself on what to call the thread. I distinctly remember something called "The Sana Sex" after Sawyer and Ana's scene, and I was like "yech, I don't want it to sound like that!" That was purely physical. This was much much more.

I'm a Jater, but I thought it was cute when Sawyer said, "I love you, too."

Please don't hate me but....Kate didn't respond by saying "I love you" back to Sawyer. And she thinks he's about to die. So could this have been pity sex for a dying man?

Yep, to all these posts!

It is a plot point for this eppy, so this thread really had to be started. I suspect that once the ship boards are reopened (after midnight? later tomorrow?), the die-hard shippers will return to their ship. But this thread does have every right to be here.

Diplomacy, however, is always wise. :wink1:

Please don't hate me but....Kate didn't respond by saying "I love you" back to Sawyer. And she thinks he's about to die. So could this have been pity sex for a dying man?

Please please please!
If it is I will send Damon Lindelof a thousand dollars and one heck of a thank you note.
(I hope he's reading this...)

And for once on this show a woman has sex and doesn't die!...yet. :p Lol.

Blecch!
But then, I've never been in favor of the Kate/Sawyer/Jack thing on this show.
That scene was an uneasy one for me to watch, because it's not typical LOST material. A simple profession of love would have been nice for plot development, but I understand - That doesn't translate into ratings.
That being said, I look forward to the show moving past the romance thing. It's OK in the flashbacks, but a bit cheesy in their current lives. ESPECIALLY if they are captives and fearing for their lives.^ I agree with most of this, and I hope that this means that the love traingle is over with. While the scene was very well done, I was tapping my foot, thinking, "If this scene gets stretched out, and it means that we miss out on time that could have been spent on interesting plot... grrr.."

However, I must admit that I got all girly over the scene afterward. Sawyer geniunely loves her. Like I said, it was well done... but I really do hope that Kate romance stuff is done now.

Please don't hate me but....Kate didn't respond by saying "I love you" back to Sawyer. And she thinks he's about to die. So could this have been pity sex for a dying man?

Did you see her face as she raised her head and looked at him, straight in the eyes, before kissing him so sincerely, so tenderly...and the smile she gave him before she lowered her head back to his chest?

No. Kate's choice, to use Carlton's word, is definitive. She loves Sawyer, and she's not running from that fact. Evie nailed that scene, with no words required. Kate had already used "the L word" out loud. It was Sawyer's turn.

And it was perfect. :)

One part of me is sad because I am a Jater but the other part of me is happy because that was love not only sex! That means my favourite person of the triangle, Katie, didn´t do anything wrong. She expressed her real feelings and I respect that and I am glad this triangle is over and we can move forward in the story.

In need of a lost support group... 3 months... :unhappy:
We're here, Sobek, we're here. . .we'll get thru this together!

What will interest me is, once Kate & James get back to beach camp (seems like that's about to happen), will they let the relationship continue to be, or try to backtrack? I sure hope it's the former. The latter could leave things open to the triangle again--and I think we've ALL had enough of THAT! :rolleyes:

Is there SERIOUSLY no thread on this yet? Or am I blind? Alright, here's a place to discuss. :biggrin:

Who else loved it? I thought it was so beautiful and tender, only disappointing part was that she didn't say she loves him again. But he loves her. :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:
I liked the way that scene was played against her FB scenes. She told her husband "I love you" a lot, but she still left him. In contrast, she sure as hell isn't going anywhere without Sawyer!
100%
I hope it's not the woman that dies this time...

*Tries unsuccesfully to repress hard-core Jate feelings since the very first episode*

Uh-oh I think I am outnumbered here lol
LOL! Good effort on the repressing, there Sobek. Much appreciated. :)

We're here, Sobek, we're here. . .we'll get thru this together!

What will interest me is, once Kate & James get back to beach camp (seems like that's about to happen), will they let the relationship continue to be, or try to backtrack? I sure hope it's the former. The latter could leave things open to the triangle again--and I think we've ALL had enough of THAT! :rolleyes:

lol, I think another 3 months without Lost is going to make me crazy!

I have been wondering if Sawyer and Kate will stay together to. If they do I don't want to see it in every episode though, and not because I am a jater. I wouldn't want to see any relationship every episode.

I loved it. So romantic. :inlove: The music was cheesy, but the looks, the touches. I found myself saying..."she really loves him! he really loves her!". Squee. Good stuff. :thumbup:

I was so amazingly happy with that scene & this ep as a whole. As a Skater... it was a real payoff... at first I thought it could've been played off as stress type of situation (from Kate's perspective... we know how peril seems to initiate Kate kisses) but the following scenes sealed it for me... particulary her "I'll do anything" line... kudos to Evi for the acting... because I felt that line.

btw... it sucks that the ships are closed after eps...

Anyhow... I did feel bad for Jack... but I think the writers had to acknowledge that Jack would have a reaction and needed to deal with that reaction... because Juliet has been thrown at us, as well as unresolved feelings for his ex... and if they didn't deal with the Kate issue immediately... I think it would feel fake... it was revealed to Jack in a messed up kind of way... but I guess it worked story-wise. Either way, I think he needed to know.

I really, really, truly hope that "Lost" doesn't go soap opera on us though & put Skate together just to break them up. So many tv shows do that... and I'll just pull my hair out...

I have faith in our writers though...

Anyhow... great scene... lots of raw emotion... I adored it...

? - Will Jack reveal the Sana sex? If so, How will Kate react?

That's right, she doesn't need to say the word. She stays with her man, she don't run anymore and that's the most important for Kate.

Kate's looks were full of love during the episode. And for those who think she has pity sex, they don't respect her character at all because she'll never do that to Sawyer.

love love love :coolorng:

I have been wondering if Sawyer and Kate will stay together to. If they do I don't want to see it in every episode though, and not because I am a jater. I wouldn't want to see any relationship every episode.

I think they'll stay together, but we won't be clobbered over the head with it. We'll probably just get a nice little scene here or there, but I imagine (and hope!) they will be way too involved in all the action to be spending too much time being lovey-dovey. Besides, that's the whole point of the couple - they don't exactly do "Taco Night" if you get my drift. I don't really think they'll backtrack either. To me, it's past the point of no return. There are clearly deep feelings on both sides, they both know it, and they might return to their playful banter, but I doubt we are going to see "The Long Con" Sawyer or "Born to Run" Kate again (with regards to each other, at least).

One more thought... I liked how they juxtaposed Kate's flashback w/her & Sawyer... it seemed to me that the PTB were acknowledging that w/Sawyer... Kate will never have to run... he accepts her.

Hated it, and I'm not a shipper. Should be interesting to see how the writers handle the consequences - if at all.

I'm pretty sure Sawyer didn't have a condom in his back pocket. :rolleyes:

i was thinking the samething...will there be consequences now? LOL.

also...I guess that the scene with the FB drugging the hubby explains the Juice remark on the plane, when the Marshall was being all sarcastic with emphasis on it.

"You SURE you don't want more juice?"

I guess I'm the major minority here. I didn't care for the scene. Although I was RELIEVED that Kate chose Sawyer definitively. I'm glad that part of the story is done (hopefully). It was weird that The Others who constantly monitor them, didn't put a stop to it. But whatever, glad its done.

Surprising how many people cried though.

Can't believe Kate is gonna die now cuz she had sex...

This scene actually didn't bother me much, lol and I've been a Jater since day 1! I thought Sawyer's I love you too was cute. And I don't deny that Kate has feelings for Sawyer. The scene was well done.

But I think the triangle is far from over. Kate made a choice....but I highly doubt that its the end of the dreaded triangle, lol as evidence by the last scene with Kate and Jack on the walkie talkies.

ETA: lol LostProject....poor Kate...she doesnt know the consequences of having island sex. Death to all! hehe nope actually its Kate who the Others really want...so I think we'll see her live, lol

Loved it, loved it, loved it!!! :malelove:

I think that really is the key because Kevin wouldn't accept her and Sawyer can because he's been in the same place. They understand each other, so they can trust each other. Hopefully they will continue to believe that. I'm not for a continued soap opera either.

They're so in love. It's absolutely gorgeous to see. :love:

I was upset!:eek2: :frown: I love Kate, but did she HAD to do it?!:20:

Poor Jack! Guy is always getting punched in the gut!

I really have no ship -- though I'm not the first to admit it. But, seriously, the sex scene was pretty uncomfortable for me. All I kept thinking is, they're having sex on the cold, wet dirt floor of a cage they've been kept in for who knows how long, after having a heart-rending scene in which they'd debated escape. It just didn't seem like a very romantic lead-in to sex. Plus as Ontological said, after the scene, all I could think about was how Sawyer was probably not wearing protection.

All that being said, excluding my incredulity, I really thought it was touching. And pretty sexy, too. Great acting on both parts. Now it's going to be fun watching how the consequences play out.

Jenny, I was so afraid to start this thread. Good for you, for getting up the guts! :)

My thoughts: It was so beautiful. I was crying with happiness. It was so well done.

Kate does not do taco night. It might not be conventional to have sex in a cage (well, in some circles... ;) ), but Kate and Sawyer are not conventional. And omg they are hot together. I wish there had been a bit more to the sex scene, heh, but I'll take what I can get.

And the cuddling! Sawyer made that joke to Ana, lol. But *that* was just sex. This was love. And the way she looked up at him and kissed him? She doesn't need to tell him she loves him again. She already did. And now he's telling her.

This was the episode for Kate that translates to "actions speak louder than words", imo. In her FB, she tells Kevin she loves him, and she says "I Do." But she still runs from him!
But now, on the island, it's all about action for Kate. She climbs out of her cage and tries to free Sawyer. Then she shows him how she really feels, and she makes love to him.
Then she is willing to beg Jack to try and save Sawyer's life.

This is all about action for Kate. She is way past "every man for himself" and it's all about "live together, die alone" and she won't leave Sawyer, because she loves him.

Sidenote: she won't leave Jack either, and that just shows how much she has grown. But clearly her choice tonight was definitive. She loves Jack in some way, but not in the way she loves Sawyer. And Jack loves her in some way too. I think he was pretty heartbroken when they had their confrontation in the cell, not to mention when he saw her laying in Sawyer's arms over the tv monitors.

I feel so bad for Jack. I was crying for him. And I feel soooo bad for Jaters. I really do. But it's so important how much Kate and Jack have grown since the Pilot. Even if Jack is hearbroken right now, he is still doing everything in his power to try and free Kate (and Sawyer).

I was upset!:eek2: :frown: I love Kate, but did she HAD to do it?!:20:

Poor Jack! Guy is always getting punched in the gut!
on the other hand, lucky Sawyer! :)

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Sidenote: she won't leave Jack either, and that just shows how much she has grown. But clearly her choice tonight was definitive. She loves Jack in some way, but not in the way she loves Sawyer. And Jack loves her in some way too. I think he was pretty heartbroken when they had their confrontation in the cell, not to mention when he saw her laying in Sawyer's arms over the tv monitors.

I feel so bad for Jack. I was crying for him. And I feel soooo bad for Jaters. I really do. But it's so important how much Kate and Jack have grown since the Pilot. Even if Jack is hearbroken right now, he is still doing everything in his power to try and free Kate (and Sawyer).

I'm not sure there's any real evidence for that. Sawyer just happened to be available. Kate's in a real tough spot right now, and she's the type of character to use sex for comfort. A lot of shippers seem to forget that it is possible to love two people at the same time.

And the cuddling! Sawyer made that joke to Ana, lol. But *that* was just sex. This was love. And the way she looked up at him and kissed him? She doesn't need to tell him she loves him again. She already did. And now he's telling her.

Very true, I was just about to post about how this sensual love scene really contrasted with the mcdirty romp in the jungle Sawyer and Ana had.

A sincere thanks to everyone who posted such good reactions to the scene. I'm stuck working in D.C. and couldn't watch the show. (of course depending on your point of view - this is a great day to be in D.C.) I'll have to wait until I get home to the DVR to see Kate and Sawyer. However, now I know it will be good, fit in, that I'll love it and don't have to anticipate there is a chance it is not handled well. Seriously, on an island in a crisis, I'm taking Sawyer!

I'm sort of a lurker but do appreciate all the info and time people put into this.

Barbara

I have to admit I cried as well. I just thought everything about the way they did that scene was perfect. The music mixed with the looks of deep love on their faces just pushed me over the edge. And at the same time I was thinking...I can't believe a sex scene is making me cry! I was expecting something hot and passionate that would make me go, "ooh baby!", but there was so much emotion behind it that it blew my mind. I couldn't help but be moved. I'd like to congratulate the writers on doing a spectacular job with this scene. It's so perfect, it's beyond words.

I have to admit I cried as well. I just thought everything about the way they did that scene was perfect. The music mixed with the looks of deep love on their faces just pushed me over the edge. And at the same time I was thinking...I can't believe a sex scene is making me cry! I was expecting something hot and passionate that would make me go, "ooh baby!", but there was so much emotion behind it that it blew my mind. I couldn't help but be moved. I'd like to congratulate the writers on doing a spectacular job with this scene. It's so perfect, it's beyond words.

Hear hear! I was amazed by how it was simultaneously so moving and emotional, and also so sexy. Absolutely epic... it couldn't have been more perfect.

All I could think when I was watching it was AWWWW, and then even more so after when they were talking and Sawyer said that he loved her...it was so sweet!

There are no words. It was so much more emotional, romantic and passionate than I had expected. It was like the dam burst and they realised there were no more walls between them. There was joy, awe, relief, tenderness, EVERYTHING!!!

Did you see the hands entwining in the bars? And the foreheads touching? So beautifully done.

And the after glow scene was so touching. The music pretty there too, to underscore their intimacy. Sawyer being all caressing of her hair and tentative and afraid of her answer, but her not even needing to say anything. Just showing him though her expression and her kisses that she truly did love him and wanted to be with him.

I love how he said 'I love you, too.' So simply, like it was a relief to finally say what he'd been denying all that time.

And of course his cradling her, wrapped up in his shirt. So sweet!!!

A sincere thanks to everyone who posted such good reactions to the scene. I'm stuck working in D.C. and couldn't watch the show. (of course depending on your point of view - this is a great day to be in D.C.) I'll have to wait until I get home to the DVR to see Kate and Sawyer. However, now I know it will be good, fit in, that I'll love it and don't have to anticipate there is a chance it is not handled well. Seriously, on an island in a crisis, I'm taking Sawyer!

I'm sort of a lurker but do appreciate all the info and time people put into this.

Barbara

Ah, I'd love to be in D.C. right now. It's been an unbelievable couple of days for some of us. :cool:

Please don't hate me but....Kate didn't respond by saying "I love you" back to Sawyer. And she thinks he's about to die. So could this have been pity sex for a dying man?

That's kind of the impression that I was getting from the whole episode. And afterwards when Kate told Jack that she wouldn't leave without him also seemed to be implying that they are not through. I don't think the whole triangle has been resolved yet.

The way Jack Bender shot that scene was fabulous!! All the close ups of Sawyer were absolutely tantilizing! The tension was so thick you couldn't cut it with a knife. Then the sexual release and cuddling. VERY, VERY well done! Do I hear the Emmys knocking on the door!?

I thought it was great she didn't want to leave Jack behind either. She cares for him, and is loyal to him. But her protectiveness of Sawyer, her anguish, her screaming she would do anything...I think it's clear where her heart belongs.

And the wonderful love scenes we got, were a great culmination of a relationship that's had it's origins from the second part of the pilot. Totally worth the wait, and I can't imagine how they could have done it better. So emotional and tender.

My only thought: What STD has Kate caught? That's probably the real reason she wants Jack back. Lol. But seriously, I didn't care much for it.

Oh please, have you forgotten they already addressed the STD thing in second season with the amoxycillin. Whatever he had was cleared up with antibiotics. End of story. :biggrin:

People should be more worried about unplanned pregnancy if we are going to have any worry at all.

Too bad the love scene wasn't longer but I think the two cuddling scenes made up for it.

Hvent watched it yet, but being a JATER Im gutted...

Loved it - so sexy AND tender - and the LOOKS exchanged - now that's what really gets you right here :8: - when you can see the emotion. It was wonderfully done, as was the touching and intimate scene afterward. And I didn't think the music cheesy at all - as a matter of fact, that crescendo when Kate and Sawyer have that really deep kiss - brought several tears to my eyes. The whole thing - so touching. :bawling:

And he said "I LOVE YOU TOO!!" :o How wonderful was THAT?? I so didn't see that coming, but was so happy he loved, and felt loved, for once. :bawling:

That being said, I agree with jacknkate1:
But I think the triangle is far from over. Kate made a choice....but I highly doubt that its the end of the dreaded triangle, lol as evidence by the last scene with Kate and Jack on the walkie talkies.
I really doubt they'll end it here too - that is the nature of drama. :( I still see feelings on Jack's side, and I'm not convinced Kate doesn't have feelings for both men (Sawyer's clearly in the lead though - WOOT! ).

Still rooting for skate in the end though - even if there's a kinship with Jack - in the end, for me at least, Kate's best with Sawyer. I'd go into my litany of reasons, but I don't want to start a shipper debate - this thread is about the skate sex, which was FABULOUS.

My thoughts: It was so beautiful. I was crying with happiness. It was so well done.

Me too! *sniff* It was so nice to have a happiness instead of angst. And didn't you just want to CRY in the end?? When he stopped fighting, to protect Kate? :bawling: And she was yelling at him to fight - she's so fiesty around Sawyer - I LOVE IT.

It was very lovely, much, much sweeter than expected. Perfect.

I think the little twist at the end, having her say I can't leave you to Jack while staring at Sawyer was the writers laughing at us. At shippers. It's like we're little frogs in a box and they're poking us with sticks to see us jump. Don't play, people. It makes us all look foolish.

The sex was actually lovemaking, heartbreakingly sincere, very beautiful. If people want to think she doesn't love the guy she made love to, and if they can convince themselves of a way that can be true and Kate can still be a character worth their affection, then more power to them. I'm too tired for 13 weeks of that kind of nonsense.

Am I the only one who thought it was kinda creepy? Just with all the cameras and everything... I mean, I know Kate and Sawyer didn't know (they might have been able to guess), but they really set that whole aspect for the audience... .

I was a little distracted during the scene, as I was under the impression that Sawyer knew about the cameras. I thought he found out when he was going to electrocute Ben, but they turned off the `food machine thingy' in his cage.....

Am I the only one who thought it was kinda creepy? Just with all the cameras and everything... I mean, I know Kate and Sawyer didn't know (they might have been able to guess), but they really set that whole aspect for the audience...

But I was pissed Jack saw it because it gave him another chance to run off and play the broken hearted savior again.

+1 on the creepy factor. For one thing, after "Cost of living" it was sorta obvious to me this would happen. Although I assumed Ben would show it to Jack on tape, rather then the staged viewing. I was also to dissapointed at Sawyer to enjoy the scene. I actually thought he was onto the surveillance after Ben turned off the juice on his "swimming hole". But then Sawyer tends to get distracted when hes "jumped" :kiss:

I'll be watching it again with the right mindset :biggrin:

As everyone said, the episode was all about skate love. I can't believe they make a skate shipper eppy for the fall finale...

Don't worry about the last scene, she went to Jack and cried about Sawyer, she cried the damn whole episode, they made love, she fights for him, they're a team.

As someone else said, Jack is stuck in the friends zone now , do not worry.

Um... yeah. Chalk me up for one of the kind of creepy and not realistic ones. Both of them had ample warning that this would be Sawyer's last day. Alex's warning and Picketts evil "If you have anything to say to your woman say it tonight" or whatever line.

Kate breaks open Sawyer's cage and instead of taking off, despite the knowledge that they are on a different island, they bump uglies and cuddle all night. Yeah. I'm sorry but if I had a chance to save the life of someone I was in love with, I wouldn't pass up that chance for an evening of sex followed by sleep. I would do anything in my power to make sure that we both were safe.

The scenes weren't that bad and although I've never cared a bit about who Kate "chooses", or any romance on the island in general, it was alright when combined with her history and the flashbacks. I'm just hoping that this show doesn't become about relationships. We already have Charlie and Claire. Sayid and Shannon fortunatly got a swift 9mm slug in the chest and the Libby/Hurley thing went the same way (although that was a pretty cute and interesting one because of the FBs).

I would rather the show focus on the bigger issues rather than the romantic ones.

This is my first post here.. seen every lost episode .


I just wanted to say that I thought when sawyer kinda pushed kate against the bars and and had her hands up against the bars.. that was HOT! woohoo! good episode .. not the best one ever, but so far season 3 is as good as the rest to me!

In my opinion, I think the triangle will stop. Jack knows that Sawyer has always had a thing for Kate. He's the one that heard Sawyer say "I love her" when he was fighting for his life after being shot. I also don't think he will ever mention the Sana thing because I think Kate had a pretty good idea something like that happened with the whole discussion of being trapped in a net.

With regards of the love scene: I loved it. I hated thinking that, oh this is where Kate will go for Jack, but then when she came over to James' cage, that was it, her chose was made. Now my only after thoughts are: I hope there is another pregnancy test in Sawyer's stash.

but ya,

the triangle crap is kinda.. whack . but then again, i guess im glad sawyer hit it first, cause he has just been gradually winning my affection over the last however many episodes, and jack continues to just look like a googly-eyed crazy control freakin mofo.

Sex on that Island is disgusting...

First, Sawyer wasn't given a shower by the others, do you have any idea how bad he has to stink? Nasty breath, fish biscuits and such...

And Kate! Have you ever felt unfresh? She's been working on turning big rocks into little rocks in the hot sun...nasty.

In my opinion...they should have shook hands and that should have been that.

Jenny, I was so afraid to start this thread. Good for you, for getting up the guts! :)

My thoughts: It was so beautiful. I was crying with happiness. It was so well done.

Kate does not do taco night. It might not be conventional to have sex in a cage (well, in some circles... ;) ), but Kate and Sawyer are not conventional. And omg they are hot together. I wish there had been a bit more to the sex scene, heh, but I'll take what I can get.

And the cuddling! Sawyer made that joke to Ana, lol. But *that* was just sex. This was love. And the way she looked up at him and kissed him? She doesn't need to tell him she loves him again. She already did. And now he's telling her.

This was the episode for Kate that translates to "actions speak louder than words", imo. In her FB, she tells Kevin she loves him, and she says "I Do." But she still runs from him!
But now, on the island, it's all about action for Kate. She climbs out of her cage and tries to free Sawyer. Then she shows him how she really feels, and she makes love to him.
Then she is willing to beg Jack to try and save Sawyer's life.

This is all about action for Kate. She is way past "every man for himself" and it's all about "live together, die alone" and she won't leave Sawyer, because she loves him.

Sidenote: she won't leave Jack either, and that just shows how much she has grown. But clearly her choice tonight was definitive. She loves Jack in some way, but not in the way she loves Sawyer. And Jack loves her in some way too. I think he was pretty heartbroken when they had their confrontation in the cell, not to mention when he saw her laying in Sawyer's arms over the tv monitors.

I feel so bad for Jack. I was crying for him. And I feel soooo bad for Jaters. I really do. But it's so important how much Kate and Jack have grown since the Pilot. Even if Jack is hearbroken right now, he is still doing everything in his power to try and free Kate (and Sawyer).
LostLaura, thanks for the empathy in that post. As someone who saw more beauty in Kate while she was with Jack, I have to say what she did saddened me but she did it sincerely, and that's at least a step for her. And Sawyer talking about his feelings, (no matter how cheesy the dialogue sounds to a non-Skater, sorry but it was) was a huge step out from behind his emotional walls for him. And Jack turns out to be even better a man than I thought he would be, but that's for another thread.

Is there SERIOUSLY no thread on this yet? Or am I blind? Alright, here's a place to discuss. :biggrin:

Who else loved it? I thought it was so beautiful and tender, only disappointing part was that she didn't say she loves him again. But he loves her. :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

That scene=Most epic failure in TV History.

I was watching this episode with two girls who pretty much went nuts for the whole scene.

No no no no no no . . . I'm definitely on the "this was barfy" side. I'm all for Sawyer and Kate, don't get me wrong. They're just better suited for one another. Kate will never allow herself to be with the good and righteous Jack, and Jack would be with her for the wrong reasons as well (time to save Kate too, Jack?).

I just don't buy the 'love making in the cage' thing. I belive it was page 7 where one mentioned just how skanky that would be (dirty love indeed). Perhaps I'm a bit too OCD to imagine wanting to actually get it on in that environment, despite my happiness that they hooked up, etc.

It was very lovely, much, much sweeter than expected. Perfect.

I think the little twist at the end, having her say I can't leave you to Jack while staring at Sawyer was the writers laughing at us. At shippers. It's like we're little frogs in a box and they're poking us with sticks to see us jump. Don't play, people. It makes us all look foolish.

The sex was actually lovemaking, heartbreakingly sincere, very beautiful. If people want to think she doesn't love the guy she made love to, and if they can convince themselves of a way that can be true and Kate can still be a character worth their affection, then more power to them. I'm too tired for 13 weeks of that kind of nonsense.

The sincerity and sweetness were unexpected and wonderful. Both of them were so different than they had been with previous lovers. Sawyer was vulnerable and tentative in that cuddling scene, waiting hopefully for her to confirm that maybe she had meant it when she said she loved him in EMFH. Such a contrast to the smooth, confident operator we've seen him as with other women. Kate, OTOH, was telling her husband with words that she loved him every five minutes, but it was all built on sand because he didn't know the real her and she ended up leaving him anyway. Sawyer does know her, and her love for him is evidenced in every action... from the rawness of their argument to her passion to do anything to save him from Pickett. And it is most certainly there when she initiates the lovemaking and in the subsequent scene. She is completely naked as they lie there cuddling, covered only by his shirt and what beautiful symbolism that was.

lost rocks wrote something beautiful about Kate and feelings for Sawyer and Jack on L-F. It's very much how I see them and is worth quoting just about everywhere, IMO. :biggrin:

But that last scene to me exemplified why we (and I mean Jaters and Skaters) were even at all vested in this triangle. On his knees in front of her was the man she ended up loving - who had given up all hope but kept it a secret so she wouldn't give up hope. On the radio was the other guy who won her admiration early on and the guy she's always looked up to...

Both are refusing to move...and both are telling her to go without them. She chooses to stay put and try to save both. One of of love...the other out of loyalty.

I think Kate's character has grown leaps and bounds.

Sex on that Island is disgusting...

First, Sawyer wasn't given a shower by the others, do you have any idea how bad he has to stink? Nasty breath, fish biscuits and such...

And Kate! Have you ever felt unfresh? She's been working on turning big rocks into little rocks in the hot sun...nasty.

In my opinion...they should have shook hands and that should have been that.

I'm just honestly curious, for all the "they were dirty!" POV folks...

How do you think mankind has survived for so many years on this planet?

Showers weren't there in the beginning. Just going out on a limb with this guess, but primitive early folk were probably pretty dirty. And this is EXACTLY where Kate and Sawyer are. They had been thrown into primitive conditions with maniacs holding death threats over their heads. If the two of them have finally come to realize and accept the depth of their feelings for each other, understand the desperation of their situation, and simply need to be close to each other...then why on earth should they worry about fishbiscuit-breath, or washing up first? :confused:

IMO, the moment of Kate's choice was the perfect scene for them. No one should expect roses and feather-pillows with Sawyer and Kate. They are NOT a conventional couple. They're both primal, instinctive, unpredictable characters. As Sawyer told Jack back in S1... "Me? I'm in the wild!" And Kate is sticking right alongside him for the ride.

A-frickin'-men, Sawyer. :biggrin:

Very true, I was just about to post about how this sensual love scene really contrasted with the mcdirty romp in the jungle Sawyer and Ana had.
Good point, Pen! A few people in this thread are saying that they think the Skate sex was dirty. Well, maybe physically it was dirty, cause they're in a cage and haven't showered and have been doing hard labor, etc. etc.
But how much ickier and raunchier was the Sana sex, right?? There was on love there. That was just pure release for Sawyer, and just pure manipulation for Ana. And it was frankly, pretty gross.
But Sawyer and Kate? Gorgeous. Just beautiful.

I'm not sure there's any real evidence for that. Sawyer just happened to be available. Kate's in a real tough spot right now, and she's the type of character to use sex for comfort. A lot of shippers seem to forget that it is possible to love two people at the same time.
Hm, well, I disagree about Kate using sex for comfort. Can you give us another example of her acting that way?
In her past, she's used sex to her advantage, but for comfort?

I'm not sure I believe it's possible to love two people to the same degree at the same time. I think she loves Jack in some way, but there is no doubt in my mind from this episode that she is IN LOVE with Sawyer. If she wasn't, how on earth could she go to Jack, someone she cares deeply for, and beg him to do the surgery in order to spare Sawyer's life? And she BEGS him! When we cut to Ben watching them on the tv monitor, we hear her begging Jack to listen to her but he won't. That is LOVE for Sawyer. Doesn't matter that she cares about Jack, and loves him in some way. It's not to the same degree.

The way Jack Bender shot that scene was fabulous!! All the close ups of Sawyer were absolutely tantilizing! The tension was so thick you couldn't cut it with a knife. Then the sexual release and cuddling. VERY, VERY well done! Do I hear the Emmys knocking on the door!? Oh, Jack Bender?? I was *wondering* why he was here last night!! He wasn't using Invisible Mode, and I saw him checking out the Fuselage. :biggrin:

LostLaura, thanks for the empathy in that post. As someone who saw more beauty in Kate while she was with Jack, I have to say what she did saddened me but she did it sincerely, and that's at least a step for her. And Sawyer talking about his feelings, (no matter how cheesy the dialogue sounds to a non-Skater, sorry but it was) was a huge step out from behind his emotional walls for him. And Jack turns out to be even better a man than I thought he would be, but that's for another thread.

You're welcome, workingmom. I think all Skaters are feeling very sympathetic to Jaters right now. We all know how much we would want compassion if it had gone the other way.
And I do sincerely believe the triangle will rear its ugly head again in the future. Just not for awhile.


I'm just honestly curious, for all the "they were dirty!" POV folks...

How do you think mankind has survived for so many years on this planet?

Totally! That's the point, right? That this was their chance and they seized. They're not going to wait around and hope that they get back to a shower! What shower??? The hatch doesn't even exist anymore! (Not that they know that, cause they don't.)
But seriously. Sawyer just told Kate that they are on a different island. They know they might never escape. They might never get back to the other island. And even if they do, they might never get off that island and be rescued. They may never be "clean" again. They're not going to NOT make love. Wouldn't make sense!

I took the dirt to go both ways I think it's symobolism for the fact that thier life hasn't been easy. They have dirty souls in a way..but together they can make something magical and loving.

To me it was pure romance and beauty.

I thought it was cheesy and unnessecary and ruined the delicate moment that happened right before. Clearly just done for commercial appeal. OOOH SEX!!!!!!! OMG

Definitley rolled my eyes when it happened. It was so very cliche.

Maybe I'm just old-fashioned.

I seriously did not want to get out of bed this morning because i was having dreams about kate and sawyer!!!!!!!!
OMG SOOOO HOTTT!!!!
I've been a skater since the beginning and it was so great to finally have them together!
I feel bad for jack, but i can't help LOVE kate and sawyer and as a side note, I want josh holloway.
horrible cliffhanger...i hate those bastards.
and did anyone else seeinthe preview, it looks for a split second like kate will rear back and kick her captors butt.
oh and by the way, SAWYER LOVES HER!!!!!!
HELL YES!

I thought cagematch! would be hot but it was to my surprise very romantic and cute. Their looks, the way they were touching each other...just wooooowwww.

It was all about skate last night. Skate is love. No doubt left.:biggrin:

I thought it was corny. The way it was done screamed of a lack of plot to fill the show as I found myself laughing at the scene from the first inkling that they were going to go at it. They were in a cage being watched and it just didnt make sense. Im glad Kate finally chose someone so now they can move on to something else, but I just thought the scene was short in many areas.

That's true, it took 41 monutes for this thread to go up. I have to say it was an incredibly sensual scene. :)

And for once on this show a woman has sex and doesn't die!


What makes you think Kate won't die?


Also, Sun seems to still be around. Nikki, too, if you count the scene edited out.

I thought it was great. I really didn't care on whom Kate chose cause I could see why she would like both Jack and Sawyer. I am glad she chose Sawyer it makes more sense as in they both are con artists in their own way and they understand each other.

I thought it was awesome, it was finally THE scene .

As far as Kate getting killed, so far none of the Fuselage Losties have "bought the farm" so to speak yet and I hope they keep it that way. I need to say also, why are they introducing new people. I want to see more of Locke, Charlie, Claire, Vincent, Sayid, Sun, Jin, Rose or Bernard, and did I mention Locke.

I think that Kate and Sawyer definately felt as if they were before the gallows. Kate at least felt that Sawyer was on the gallows.

I think that there might have been an implied "parting gift" on Kate's behalf. Why else would someone bare all infront of a camera?
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I thought it was awesome, it was finally THE scene .

As far as Kate getting killed, so far none of the Fuselage Losties have "bought the farm" so to speak yet and I hope they keep it that way. I need to say also, why are they introducing new people. I want to see more of Locke, Charlie, Claire, Vincent, Sayid, Sun, Jin, Rose or Bernard, and did I mention Locke.


Hello? Boone, Shannon, Steve (or was it Scott), Arnzt, Agent Norris.
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I thought it was corny. The way it was done screamed of a lack of plot to fill the show as I found myself laughing at the scene from the first inkling that they were going to go at it. They were in a cage being watched and it just didnt make sense. Im glad Kate finally chose someone so now they can move on to something else, but I just thought the scene was short in many areas.

I don't think you'll be happy in February. I think the triangle is just getting started. and BTW If you were living what you thought were your last moments what would you do (remember that Sawyer has already stated that he has absolutely no hope of escape).

I thought it was corny. The way it was done screamed of a lack of plot to fill the show as I found myself laughing at the scene from the first inkling that they were going to go at it. They were in a cage being watched and it just didnt make sense. Im glad Kate finally chose someone so now they can move on to something else, but I just thought the scene was short in many areas.


I don't know about lack of plot, but it definitely seemed a little odd to me. Don't get me wrong, there is obviously chemistry there, but Sawyer definitely knew they were being watched even if Kate didn't...and it seemed a bit ludicrous that they wouldn't at least go out of the cage and somewhere a bit more private. But then, I'm sure the scene was basically thrown in for us, the viewers, which translates into ratings. As a whole, I loved the episode, especially the ending. I just thought the Kate/Sawyer sex scene was a little too pat. I'm sure most everyone else loved it though, so I guess I'm in the minority...

First of all..:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: Excellent scene!! I thought the camera work and the acting was all perfectly done! Especially with the scene with their hands tangled in the bars.. HHHOT!!! The scene was hot and emotional at the same time.. soooo awesome!

Also, I don't think that the love triangle is over with. Jack was hurt bad but he still has feelings for Kate. In her case, I do think it is possible to love two people at the same time. Right now she definetly loves Sawyer more.. but that could change. I'm a bigger fan of Sawyer but I still have the feeling that she'll end up with Jack in the end.

I don't know about lack of plot, but it definitely seemed a little odd to me. Don't get me wrong, there is obviously chemistry there, but Sawyer definitely knew they were being watched even if Kate didn't...and it seemed a bit ludicrous that they wouldn't at least go out of the cage and somewhere a bit more private. But then, I'm sure the scene was basically thrown in for us, the viewers, which translates into ratings. As a whole, I loved the episode, especially the ending. I just thought the Kate/Sawyer sex scene was a little too pat. I'm sure most everyone else loved it though, so I guess I'm in the minority...


Thank you! Finally someone who agrees with me. The entire time I just kept thinking "Ewww... but someone's probably watching them" (well, besides avid Lost viewers). I don't know if Sawyer knew for sure, but they definitely beat the fact that Ben keeps an eye on them into the audience's head so the entire thing just seemed a little creepy. I guess it makes Ben even more of a creeper.

Perhaps I'm just a cynic, but I'm not so sure that I'm on board with the "Kate really, really, really loves Sawyer" way of thinking.

Her "I won't leave without you" pleas with Jack, coupled with her past history of doing anything to get what she wants, leaves me second guessing her actions.

Then again, what do I know?

I could go on and on about how much I loved this scene...it's symbolism...etc...but my fellow Skaters have already done that for me! :)

I'll just say that I enjoyed the emotion so much...that they could have just kissed and slept in eachother's arms and I would have been just as happy...well almost ;).

I just wanted to comment on a point that people seem to be harping on...the fact that the others could see them having sex in the cage. Well so what? Did it ever occur to people that maybe they knew that? Or at least suspected it and didn't care. I know that might sound dirty...but we're not talking about "ooh let's have sex with the blinds down...the neighbours are home". We're talking about 'emotions are running high, we could die, and these jerks are holding us captive...but they can't take THIS away from us:" That may not make much sense...but what I mean is that it's almost an act of defiance. Sure they probably wouldn't have sex in front of strangers normally...but this isn't a normal situation. These people have caged them, hit them, forced them into manual labour, stripped them of their privacy, threatened them. But they can't take away their ability to connect to eachother...to express love. Now, I'm not sure it was a conscious decision...but I think it crossed both of their minds that they could be watched...but they needed to be together...it was their moment...and no 'other' could take that away from them. They weren't going to be ashamed, or scared or embarassed. They were going to seize the moment and to hell with any low life peeping Tom's.

I think they did it because they desperately wanted to connect to one another in that moment. There was love and passion...and they had been so miserable for so long...that they didn't want any of that pain anymore in that moment. They were taking their lives back...at least for the moment.

As for whether or not they were too 'dirty' to have sex :rolleyes: . It's a TV show! It's about the intention and the emotion...character discovery...you have to just put aside nitpicking things like cleanliness. Kate's been in that cage for a couple of days now...so why doesn't she have hairy legs or underarms ;). My point is that there ARE some aspects that require suspension of disbelief...and whether or not Sawyer and Kate were clean enough for sex is one of them. That was SO not the point!

Looks like I am a minority on this post but wow. I can't imagine 2 people who are more perfect for each other.

Each person has lied and killed others for their personal gain. Each person is selfish, manipulative, and would do anything, sacrifice anyone, to get what they want. I can care less if Sawyer and Kate ever get off the island.

Sawyer never knew about the tv cameras. Never. But it was dumb not to get out of the cage, at least after. Like, at least try.

As for the dirtyness...it's called "suspension of disbelief" people. As in why does Jack have the kind of haircut you can only get from an electric buzzer? Why does the hair never grow on any of the women's legs? What do they all do for toilet paper?...It's not so hard. You all do it every week.

If this show was about realism, it would be GRIM!

Looks like I am a minority on this post but wow. I can't imagine 2 people who are more perfect for each other.

Each person has lied and killed others for their personal gain. Each person is selfish, manipulative, and would do anything, sacrifice anyone, to get what they want. I can care less if Sawyer and Kate ever get off the island.

You may be in the minority on this thread, but not everywhere else. The general consensus I see from other boards from the non-shippers is that they didn't care for Kate and Sawyer's sex scene. Obviously with me being a Jater, I hated it and I believe the writers sold out just for ratings. That's just my opinion though.

We're talking about 'emotions are running high, we could die, and these jerks are holding us captive...but they can't take THIS away from us:" That may not make much sense...but what I mean is that it's almost an act of defiance. Sure they probably wouldn't have sex in front of strangers normally...but this isn't a normal situation. These people have caged them, hit them, forced them into manual labour, stripped them of their privacy, threatened them. But they can't take away their ability to connect to eachother...to express love. Now, I'm not sure it was a conscious decision...but I think it crossed both of their minds that they could be watched...but they needed to be together...it was their moment...and no 'other' could take that away from them.
Agreed. Whether they knew about the cameras or not, there was always the risk someone would come to the cages. If they HAD waited till the had a shower and a nice clean bed, well that would have been just . . . freaky. Conjures up ideas of clean-freak sex - everything must be sterile. Now that ain't passionate. *shudders*

As for the dirtyness...it's called "suspension of disbelief" people. As in why does Jack have the kind of haircut you can only get from an electric buzzer? Why does the hair never grow on any of the women's legs? What do they all do for toilet paper?...It's not so hard. You all do it every week.

HA! Yes, I'd move to that island if it meant I didn't have to shave my legs anymore. :71:

What makes you think Kate won't die?

Well I was half-joking when I wrote that comment, but since you ask I have no idea if Kate will die or not. :)

Also, Sun seems to still be around. Nikki, too, if you count the scene edited out.

I was just referring to past threads where people have pointed out that single woman who have sex die in the same episode right afterwards eg, Shannon, Ana Lucia. Sun is married so she wasn't included, but the fact she got pregnant isn't the greatest either , because then the it becomes women who have sex on lost either die or become pregnant (as people have mentioned in this thread)

I thought it was the perfect blend of sexiness and romance. Beautifully acted, directed, filmed, written and scored -- both coital and post. Loved it! :kiss:

well, i wasnt the biggest fan of the scene, but i see where it has its place. i think the words coming out of my mouth for most of the scene were 'no way, no_ way.. cmooooooon, for real ??' then she took off his shirt, i was in disbelief, no cage alarms, no rush of others, i just pictured them all huddled around bens camera room eating popcorn watching it go down and complaining about their lack of sexual organs (others are aliens, thats why they want kids~) imo if youre gonna have sex on craphole island, you dont stop and disrobe passionately and slowly in a cage but i guess sex thru the zipper wasnt appealign to the ' curled up with bon bons on the couch reading longhaired, shirtless guy on cover of soft cover romance novel' target audience they were going for. also uncomfortable to me was the way she dealt with the ' i love you' thing. to me sawyers statements were just reaking of the phone call to an ex where someone says i love you, and the other doesnt, prompting someone to go, why didnt you say i love you too, and then get no answer. he was everythign but begging her to acknowledge their love and say ' yes, i love you ' he coudlnt have been more direct with out asking her to say it exactly, and shes liek 'er' uh, if i kiss him, maybe hell shut up ;( so he gives up and says ' i love you too' /sadness

I hated the whole thing! I could barely watch actually my little jate heart was in the process of breaking!
I think if they had to have the scene then it could have been later on in the series because to be frank it was totally out of the blue and the result of some poor rushed scenes at the begining of this v.disapointing mini-series.

I still think Kate loves Jack and Jack loves Kate. Even if i'm in denial it seems a far brighter option than what TPTB have just tried to sell me, I'm not buying.

Is there SERIOUSLY no thread on this yet? Or am I blind? Alright, here's a place to discuss. :biggrin:

Who else loved it? I thought it was so beautiful and tender, only disappointing part was that she didn't say she loves him again. But he loves her. :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:


I figured it would happen. All I kept thinking about was the fact that Sawyer has had sex with 2 different girls while STRANDED ON AN ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE!! Talk about getting lucky!

Well I loved it, and bought it with a gold card and then some. For me it was a long time coming and so beautiful when it finally did. :inlove: :thumbup:

Ok...I'll say it as simply as I can: That was hot!!! (Hottest love scene I've ever seen on network TV). Loved it!!

I'm a Skate shipper, and I loved it. Lots of chemistry, and we finally saw them relax in another's presence, their guards finally went down in regards to each other and that's what's beautiful about it to me.

To the Jaters: I am sorry your ship didn't sail. That always sucks a lot.

To the hater-Jaters: Is it that you hate the scene, or is it that you hate this pairing having the scene? If Sawyer had been replaced by Jack, would you have loved it?

I have to be honest and say that the scene just fell flat for me. I'm not a Jater. I'm not any kind of shipper and although I do like Jack over Sawyer I agree that Kate and Sawyer had more of a 'spark' between them.

I don't mind romance on the show although I do have a great fear of this turning into a soap opera but that's another discussion.

Some said it was corny, some thought it cringe-worthy and I'm sure the Jaters thought it painful. I didn't hate it. I felt NOTHING when it was on. I'm a bit surprised and disapointed to be honest...I thought I would have some kind of reaction but after it was all over it was kind of a 'meh...that was it?

When I re-watched the episode I fast forwarded through it...it was just so much filler to me.

I figured it would happen. All I kept thinking about was the fact that Sawyer has had sex with 2 different girls while STRANDED ON AN ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE!! Talk about getting lucky!

Awsome point:clap:

The rich spinal surgeon's not doing to well.

Someone pointed out that Jack knows that Kate will never be able to "play the part". I think her entire backflash made that apparent. I loved her scene where she kissed him goodbye at the front door while wearing an apron. How 50's. She really can't do taco night. Now compare that to Juliet's role of book club host who's upset because of burned muffins while Ethan is fixing her plumbing. That may be a better match for Jack.

Herk, it's in my signature. Damon Lindelof himself said it.

The thing is Damon L. has said a lot of things that didn't pan out. I wouldn't put too much stock in anything he says.

Don't get me wrong..I'm not pushing for Jate. I'm just saying Damon has a habit of changing his mind.

I totally UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY agree with your sig Zoriah...she needs a partner not a coach!

She might be a handful...but it takes a real man to admit that she is and love her for it anyway.

..and it ain't the sobber.

The thing is Damon L. has said a lot of things that didn't pan out. I wouldn't put too much stock in anything he says.

Don't get me wrong..I'm not pushing for Jate. I'm just saying Damon has a habit of changing his mind.

Yep. Although it would seem he hasn't changed is mind about what he said in my quote. Since the whole flashback stuff pretty much summed up that sentiment. Kate tried to do taco night. Tried the conventional sweet married life settled down thing, and in the end she bolted. The sad truth was it was all a lie. She wasn't really Monica. As much as she wanted to play the role of loving wife - she just couldn't.

In this case, his quote as panned out before our very eyes.

I guess Sawyers the island pimp now.. lol first Ana Lucia now kate.. hes on a roll lol

Um, you do actually know what a pimp is, right? :confused:

Question: are these scenes on YouTube or something for those of us who don't have recordings? I want to, um, verify some dialogue. Yeah, that's it. I searched YouTube, but I am notoriously bad at that and found nothing.

You can watch episodes of Lost online at abc.com

abc.com doesn't like my computer, but I beat YouTube!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUl8pvzka8c

It goes from the J/K scene to the cage-lovemaking scene (3 minute mark to 6 minute mark) to the Jack/Ben scene to the surgery and almost execution scene. About 10 minutes altogether.

Skater, Jater, who cares? But could that sex have been more forced? Kate could have cared less for Sawyer for the first 2 seasons and even the first 5 episodes of this season, other than for an occasional flirt here and there. And somehow these two actually fell in love during an escape scene? How believable is that? How gullible do you think we are?

Gullible #1. *points to self*

"I'm Spartacus." *Raises hand.*

I was very surprised how romantic this whole episode was. It was very hot ( I think my TiVo melted from me rewinding it) and I really thought that the plot was going to have Kate and Sawyer get together physically now and have them admit their feelings somewhere down the road. The fact that Sawyer was asking her how she felt about him and he looked so vulnerable waiting for her answer made hime completely adorable. I wasn't expecting him to admit his feelings so I was just so pleasantly surprised.

And I will admit that I am a Skater girl, so I am still floating on a cloud until February.

I just wanted to comment on a point that people seem to be harping on...the fact that the others could see them having sex in the cage. Well so what? Did it ever occur to people that maybe they knew that? Or at least suspected it and didn't care. I know that might sound dirty...but we're not talking about "ooh let's have sex with the blinds down...the neighbours are home". We're talking about 'emotions are running high, we could die, and these jerks are holding us captive...but they can't take THIS away from us:" That may not make much sense...but what I mean is that it's almost an act of defiance. Sure they probably wouldn't have sex in front of strangers normally...but this isn't a normal situation. These people have caged them, hit them, forced them into manual labour, stripped them of their privacy, threatened them. But they can't take away their ability to connect to eachother...to express love. Now, I'm not sure it was a conscious decision...but I think it crossed both of their minds that they could be watched...but they needed to be together...it was their moment...and no 'other' could take that away from them. They weren't going to be ashamed, or scared or embarassed. They were going to seize the moment and to hell with any low life peeping Tom's.

I think they did it because they desperately wanted to connect to one another in that moment. There was love and passion...and they had been so miserable for so long...that they didn't want any of that pain anymore in that moment. They were taking their lives back...at least for the moment.

As for whether or not they were too 'dirty' to have sex :rolleyes: . It's a TV show! It's about the intention and the emotion...character discovery...you have to just put aside nitpicking things like cleanliness. Kate's been in that cage for a couple of days now...so why doesn't she have hairy legs or underarms ;). My point is that there ARE some aspects that require suspension of disbelief...and whether or not Sawyer and Kate were clean enough for sex is one of them. That was SO not the point!

As always, I agree with, QE. And I want to add that: the cage was open. They're outside. It's not just the tv monitors. One of the Others guards could have come out. They're sleeping half-naked together, too. THEY DIDN'T CARE. And good for them. This was possibly their only chance to be together. They weren't going to lose this chance.

I have to be honest and say that the scene just fell flat for me. I'm not a Jater. I'm not any kind of shipper and although I do like Jack over Sawyer I agree that Kate and Sawyer had more of a 'spark' between them.

I don't mind romance on the show although I do have a great fear of this turning into a soap opera but that's another discussion.

Some said it was corny, some thought it cringe-worthy and I'm sure the Jaters thought it painful. I didn't hate it. I felt NOTHING when it was on. I'm a bit surprised and disapointed to be honest...I thought I would have some kind of reaction but after it was all over it was kind of a 'meh...that was it?

When I re-watched the episode I fast forwarded through it...it was just so much filler to me.

elfdream, I can't believe you even watched! I can't even count how many times you said in the Preview thread that you were going to fast forward through the whole thing. :rolleyes: Why did you end up watching, or were you just joking around that whole time in the Preview thread?

For those of you who enjoyed the love scenes, there are some amazing high definition pics here to peruse. You can really see the emotions in their faces shining through.

I Do Pics here (http://ack-attack.livejournal.com/243687.html#cutid1)

For those of you who enjoyed the love scenes, there are some amazing high definition pics here to peruse. You can really see the emotions in their faces shining through.

I Do Pics here (http://ack-attack.livejournal.com/243687.html#cutid1)


LOVE LOVE LOVE the quotes!!!! HYSTERICAL!!! Jack face...Kate face.Thanks!!!!

I was ticked off Jack had to see that. I'm not a shipper or anything but you could tell Jack wanted some of that tenderness and Sawyer got it. Ouch!

And I think she didn't need to say she loved him again... kissing him passionately when he asked was good enough. Sawyer seemed to interpret it that way when he said, "I love you, too" in response to the kiss.

Part of the whole experience on the island for many of the LOSTIES seemed to be this idea of coming to grips with your past by being put into these various situations. I supposed the idea being you need to learn some truth about yourself and face your inner demons, etc., etc.. The mechanism is obviously there and working but what it means and who/what is plotting to set these situations up is obviously still unclear. Sawyer was (in the past and has been during his stay on the island) the classic "user". Woman in his past were manipulated and then tossed aside. Kate he seems to genuinely care for, and the romantic scene with Kate in the cage showed the tenderness and affection he has for her ... BUT ... Kate didn't say, "I love you" in response to Sawyer and she made clear that her previous declaration was to save his life. Alright ... they had sex ... they shared this moment of mutual comfort under extremely harsh conditions in captivity, but Kate doesn't love Sawyer. Kate WILL NEVER reciprocate with the kind of love that Sawyer has for her -- NEVER. And I believe she has been totally honest with him, she's IS NOT conning him one bit. That's a much better deal than Sawyer has given the ladies in his past and makes Sawyers position so much worse than if she was conning him. Anna used him (like he used woman) to get what she wanted... THAT he understands and therefore (other than a slight pang of remorse he ends up expressing to Jack) has no problem dealing with it.
Sawyer's love for Kate is something else. Sawyer's heart is going to get broken here folks ... and I think that's the whole point.

I thought it was a good scene, overall. It wasn't (for lack of a better word)... Trashy, like some of the love scenes we've seen Sawyer involved in. *coughAnaLuciacough*

I am really dissappointed that Jack saw it, though. Poor man! :(

Agreed. ^ It was less trashy than I feared it would be, but it still grossed me out that Ben (or poor ol Jack) could see them together. Just plain uncool.

Must have been nice that for the first time, they were both with someone who knew their ugliest sides, and loved them anyway. *sniff* And neither of them has to pretend to be something they're not. All cards are on the table.

elfdream, I can't believe you even watched! I can't even count how many times you said in the Preview thread that you were going to fast forward through the whole thing. :rolleyes: Why did you end up watching, or were you just joking around that whole time in the Preview thread?

I was all ready to stop and zoom through it but I was watching with other people and was outnumbered. I told them they could go back and watch it later but they told me to leave the room if I wanted to see it...I even made the argument that it was MY Tivo and MY remote but I was outvoted...but what's funny is what it was all over they had the same reaction I did. Nothing. "That was it?" kind of thing. Not romantic, sort of cheesy and a bit on the 'eww' side. We are all of course watching it through non-shipping eyes and they are casual fans who have no real emotional investments in these characters.

Part of the whole experience on the island for many of the LOSTIES seemed to be this idea of coming to grips with your past by being put into these various situations. I supposed the idea being you need to learn some truth about yourself and face your inner demons, etc., etc.. The mechanism is obviously there and working but what it means and who/what is plotting to set these situations up is obviously still unclear. Sawyer was (in the past and has been during his stay on the island) the classic "user". Woman in his past were manipulated and then tossed aside. Kate he seems to genuinely care for, and the romantic scene with Kate in the cage showed the tenderness and affection he has for her ... BUT ... Kate didn't say, "I love you" in response to Sawyer and she made clear that her previous declaration was to save his life. Alright ... they had sex ... they shared this moment of mutual comfort under extremely harsh conditions in captivity, but Kate doesn't love Sawyer. Kate WILL NEVER reciprocate with the kind of love that Sawyer has for her -- NEVER. And I believe she has been totally honest with him, she's IS NOT conning him one bit. That's a much better deal than Sawyer has given the ladies in his past and makes Sawyers position so much worse than if she was conning him. Anna used him (like he used woman) to get what she wanted... THAT he understands and therefore (other than a slight pang of remorse he ends up expressing to Jack) has no problem dealing with it.
Sawyer's love for Kate is something else. Sawyer's heart is going to get broken here folks ... and I think that's the whole point.


As much as I hate to agree with MOST of this I totally do....and I am a big Skater too.

So before all you fellow Skates bite my head off and use it as a golf ball on Hurley's course...by my saying this...please don't misunderstand...If this happens...that dosen't nece. mean she's going for the sobber either.

One thing does stay in my mind about her and Sawyer though...when he left on the raft...the look on her face when she didn't get to say goodbye. That was a look of major regret...

Besides...

She's so been on the run from Dharma the whole time....

;)


it WAS STILL HAWT though..with those two how the hell could it not be?!

I was all ready to stop and zoom through it but I was watching with other people and was outnumbered. I told them they could go back and watch it later but they told me to leave the room if I wanted to see it...I even made the argument that it was MY Tivo and MY remote but I was outvoted...but what's funny is what it was all over they had the same reaction I did. Nothing. "That was it?" kind of thing. Not romantic, sort of cheesy and a bit on the 'eww' side. We are all of course watching it through non-shipping eyes and they are casual fans who have no real emotional investments in these characters.

I was also watching it with a bunch of non shippers (wouldn't even know there's a non nautical definition to the word "ship" which to me is the only way to truly ID a non-shipper)...and didn't have that reaction at all. A few "oh, yeah"s or "wow"s, then on to the next scene. No discussion about cheesiness or "ewww". I've really never known a non-shipper who stops to discuss and give opinions on shippy scenes...since they really just don't care. Like really.

I have one friend in Colorado who I emailed after the show, who is a romance fan like me. Just general romance, not this particular one. She loved the scene and found it surprisingly tender, a marked contrast to the lust and coldness of the Ana Lucia scene. I was also surprised with how much emotion they brought to it, the vulnerability of both lovers, and the gentleness in that repulsive, terrifying setting.

Really exceeded my expectations in every way possible.

I don't know if it's a setup for Kate breaking Sawyer's heart, but if so they set it up well, because she certainly convinced HIM she loved him...her tender kiss and looking him deep in the eyes was so much more sincere than any words that would have answered his question.

I was also watching it with a bunch of non shippers (wouldn't even know there's a non nautical definition to the word "ship" which to me is the only way to truly ID a non-shipper)...and didn't have that reaction at all. A few "oh, yeah"s or "wow"s, then on to the next scene. No discussion about cheesiness or "ewww". I've really never known a non-shipper who stops to discuss and give opinions on shippy scenes...since they really just don't care. Like really.

I have one friend in Colorado who I emailed after the show, who is a romance fan like me. Just general romance, not this particular one. She loved the scene and found it surprisingly tender, a marked contrast to the lust and coldness of the Ana Lucia scene. I was also surprised with how much emotion they brought to it, the vulnerability of both lovers, and the gentleness in that repulsive, terrifying setting.

Really exceeded my expectations in every way possible.

We could go back and forth about this all day. We could grab 100 random people off the street and show them the scene and there would be mixed reactions. :D

What's interesting is I was prepared to feel something negative about it and I couldn't even get up enough mental energy for that. I don't know if it was the acting or how odd the setting as or the simple fact that I'm not a big Sawyer fan and am becoming less and less of a Kate fan, facts which I might be unconsciencely translating into "I really don't care what they do or what happens to them.'

I do believe had I not been a part of this forum it would have gone down as a complete and total non-event.

And since that must be the case...I'll leave it at that. :wink1:

I think the thing that confused me most about this entire episode...

Was Kate's Republican hair.

What was THAT about?:fear3::whoa::hide:

No wonder she ran.:74happy::biglaugh:

I'm joking I adore her....

I might even vote for her if she switched parties.

LMAO

Herk, it's in my signature. Damon Lindelof himself said it.


Thanks for the reminder........great signature line....

Thanks for the reminder........great signature line....


Always remember though.... He's said things and taken them back...told us things that they had planned for the show that never happened. I don't put stock in what he says.

I think the thing that confused me most about this entire episode...

Was Kate's Republican hair.



HA! I just spat my coffee all over the monitor! I too was baffled by that strange, feathery mass - and you have come up with the perfect description!

Now excuse me, I must get some paper towel:redface:

i dont have a problem with characters getting it on, and it was long overdue - but the scene was just over the top. too long, and kate grabbing the bars - oh please! made me squirm in my seat. i didnt really think it was that hot at all. i mustve missed the chemestry because i htought there was more between Jack and Kate through the glass window. lame:undecide:

i mustve missed the chemestry because i htought there was more between Jack and Kate through the glass window. lame:undecide:

I couldn't agree more! That scene between Jack and Kate-- their plexiglass reflections merging and adding immensely to their dialogue-- had far, far more emotional impact than that snogging scene in the cage. They looked terribly uncomfortable (S&K) and the chemistry was simply not there.

What do you think about this ... There is always 1 key moment in each flashback that becomes realitive to the episode, I think it was Kate's conversation with the Marshall. He told her if she was truely happy he would let her stay where she was and he'd let her go, but he knows that she can't do that...she'll always run. The pregnancy scare did just that scare her into running because ahe could never be a mom and live this life forever.

Fast forward to the episode. After her meeting with Jack she was so flumoxed at his irritation towards her. It had been a while since she saw him and was overwhelmed. I think that Kate does not believe that she doesn't deserve anything good in her life. In this case she ran from her feelings of Jack into the arms of the man who represents the very opposite...Sawyer.

I'm not saying Kate doesn't have feelings for Sawyer but I think her actions were not out of love but trying to escape her feelings for Jack.

Welcome jsaschwartz. So many people have joined the fuse just today, just to post how Kate loves Jack and not Sawyer. This episode really inspired people of like mind to join the fuse!

Thanks for the welcome. I've been reading for ever. It was time to start sharing my own theories.

Just ask me the one about Sun

Here's a little review from a Chicago reporter who feels quite differently:

http://www.luminomagazine.com/mw/content/view/1503/27

Mini-season finale hits high mark for "Lost"
Written by TOM BUKOWSKI
Thursday, 09 November 2006
In an episode full of highlights - cult-hero Nathan Fillion from “Firefly” guest starring, a poignant death scene for Mr. Eko and Jack being an action star - the highlight must be the romantic spectacle of Kate and Sawyer.

When the creators of “Lost” promised action and romance for season three, they weren't lying. The story arc for the fall 2006 mini season of “Lost” concluded with “I Do” in the most spectacular episode of the series since the first delightfully tense first three episodes of season two.

What made for this episode's success? First of all, it was a Kate episode - and as you all know, I love me the series' Kate episodes. Second of all, the pacing, writing and directing were finally spot-on for the first time in ages. Every moment of the episode crackled and popped in only the way a well-written genre television series can.

Third, the flashbacks actually registered this episode, the first time since “The Glass Ballerina.” It was interesting that Kate's flashback in “I Do” regressed backward in her timeline before she was arrested, but not surprising, because there really couldn't be any way to give the character another flashback treatment.

Fourth was the steamy scenes between Kate and Sawyer, pre and post-coital. America got a little warmer Wednesday night.

Finally, the story arc of this mini-season led to “I Do's” success. This episode wouldn't have worked as well as it did if the groundwork wasn't laid as strategically as it was this season. Good planning and writing by the “Lost” writers.

im still in total shock over the whole thing:jawdrop: :surprise: :ohmy: i really taut kate and jack would end up 2 gether oh well sawyers mitey fine

I was very surprised how romantic this whole episode was. It was very hot ( I think my TiVo melted from me rewinding it) and I really thought that the plot was going to have Kate and Sawyer get together physically now and have them admit their feelings somewhere down the road. The fact that Sawyer was asking her how she felt about him and he looked so vulnerable waiting for her answer made hime completely adorable. I wasn't expecting him to admit his feelings so I was just so pleasantly surprised.

This is really how I feel about it, too. I wasn't weeping with happiness the way some were, and I didn't cry out of sheer joy the minute they started kissing. To me, that's just a little much (no offense, everyone). I've just seen more romantic, heartfelt, touching love scenes than this one (The Way We Were, An Affair To Remember, or Out of Africa, anyone?) It *was* hot though - sweaty primal jungle sex in a cage with Sawyer? Ohhhhh hell yeah... ;) I also found the cuddling scene really sweet, but I do wish that Kate had just been vocal when Sawyer asked her. Her quiet response is a little misleading, because it could have meant something entirely different than what he wanted to hear (but I doubt it). I'm not overanalyzing the scene frame by frame and drawing my own conclusions or lying it down on the doctor's couch for examination - because really, it is what it is. Now, with that being said, I am really, really happy that Kate and Sawyer have finally taken this step. I am a little scared that Kate might run again, and if she does, it will be to Jack. You can't deny that there is something there. But if that were to happen, it probably won't happen for a long time. We'll be able to enjoy this for quite a while.

I am so glad it happened!!! But I feel it was all set up...telling Kate he would die so she would be likely to make love to him...and having Jack walk in and see it on the screen.

Jack didn't see them making love, just snuggling. He can figure it out but he didn't see them "in the act." What did he expect. I think Kate was just happy to feel safe in someone's arms again (like her flashback). I don't think she really loves Sawyer they way he loves her. He is in for a heart break when he realizes that.

I thought this scene was really well done, and I think Kate is so much like Sawyer in personality that their match is a really interesting one. I, too, wonder how this relationship is going to progress - they're not exactly "house-playing" material, and I doubt either of them has been in a relationship in which they truly are in love. I don't think they'll know how to handle it.

Course, that assumes that things on the beach are going to go back to "normal life" - which I don't think is going to happen ever again. With all the Other excitement, and Patchy, the remaining hatches, and attempting to escape the island, I think they'll be too action-involved to deal with the realities of a regular relationship. Assuming they both survive.

And thumbs up for Sawyer... the only guy on the island getting any (at least on camera). :biggrin:

Jack didn't see them making love, just snuggling. He can figure it out but he didn't see them "in the act." What did he expect. I think Kate was just happy to feel safe in someone's arms again (like her flashback). I don't think she really loves Sawyer they way he loves her. He is in for a heart break when he realizes that.

Well they were doing NAKED snuggling! LOL! Maybe you get naked to snuggle in bed...but if you're in a cage, in the middle of the jungle...you don't just take off your clothes to snuggle. There had to be previous naked acitivities to allow for that ;)

I was all ready to stop and zoom through it but I was watching with other people and was outnumbered. I told them they could go back and watch it later but they told me to leave the room if I wanted to see it...I even made the argument that it was MY Tivo and MY remote but I was outvoted...but what's funny is what it was all over they had the same reaction I did. Nothing. "That was it?" kind of thing. Not romantic, sort of cheesy and a bit on the 'eww' side. We are all of course watching it through non-shipping eyes and they are casual fans who have no real emotional investments in these characters.

lol, that's funny, elf. Well, even if Kate and Sawyer aren't for you, and the scene didn't really work for you at all, that's okay. You saw it once and that's that.

As for me... I'm not sure I'll ever be able to watch it enough. :rolleyes:

Well they were doing NAKED snuggling! LOL! Maybe you get naked to snuggle in bed...but if you're in a cage, in the middle of the jungle...you don't just take off your clothes to snuggle. There had to be previous naked acitivities to allow for that ;)

:rotflmao:
Yeah, Kate probably was just like "Sawyer, I feel lonely. Can we snuggle? Hold on, let me take off all my clothes and wrap myself in your shirt. Just a sec. And no peeking!"
hee hee

Who else loved it? I thought it was so beautiful and tender, only disappointing part was that she didn't say she loves him again. But he loves her. :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:


I seriously wanted to hurl. For one, I'm not a "shipper" of Kate and Sawyer - I wanted her to choose Jack but for another, look how utterly filthy Sawyer is - not that Kate is clean either but have they even brushed their teeth since they crashed? Eeeeeeeeeeew.

I wouldn't call it "making love". Their relationship is all about lust not love. I can understand why they had sex but the scene was a bit over the top. I'm not a shipper so I'd rather see Sawyer alone because it fits his character better. I've also lost interest in Kate's character and therefore wouldn't want to see her with Jack either.

Well, I for one LOVED it and thought it was indeed romantic and beautiful and sexy. I agree with some of you who said I was very surprised to see them confess their feelings afterwards - I expected that would be left to be explored in the second part of the season, but I'm extremely happy things went the way they did. I'm sure it was an episode the wildest K/S shipper wouldn't even believe possible, because it was just perfect, especially the making love scene.

It was a great scene, but I can't help but wonder why they didn't at least get out of the cages and run into the woods to hide. Sure, they can't get off the little island right away, but why make it easier for the Others to keep them? And why have sex in the cage when you could go find some soft grass?

The writers went too far. Kate doesn't love Sawyer, she didn't say it, and aside from that it was extremely weird and creepy that it happened in the cage. Unfortunately the angst for Sawyer/Kate is gone, and so are they as a couple. Problem is TPTB have a lot of problems where Kate is concerned. Her character was tarnished in a way because she's still OHHH JACK, but she had sex with Sawyer. IN U.S. magazine 60% said this was LOST's worst season, and many can see why. There are so many things wrong with this season from the new fabio and Nikki people on the Island (they are just laughable) to splitting everyone up.............and then the Skate sex. I think it's safe to say that the show is going spirling downward, and no one has a parachoot on. I don't want Kate with Jack now, but Kate won't be with Sawyer for too long either. She rolls her eyes at him, gets annoyed by him, and well let's face it, Sawyer can't be Sawyer in a relationship. So not only does the sex no only leads to no more Jack and Kate (hopefully), but it also ends Kate and Sawyer as well. Let's face it, there is no where to go with that relationship. That's why you got sooooo much sooooo soon. The begining to the end of a lot of things.:) Happy Hunting Lost fans

I wouldn't call it "making love". Their relationship is all about lust not love. I can understand why they had sex but the scene was a bit over the top. I'm not a shipper so I'd rather see Sawyer alone because it fits his character better. I've also lost interest in Kate's character and therefore wouldn't want to see her with Jack either.

Gee, I had just the opposite reaction. I think it was all the close-ups of their facial expressions -- very tender and loving. Such a contrast w/ the Sawyer/Ana Lucia incident.

Believe it or not, I'm not a Skater or even a shipper. I think Kate, Sawyer and Jack are all way too dysfunctional to be in good relationships. But having said that, I thought it was a truly lovely scene (dirt,etc. aside!). And I thought, "Finally they're there for each other"...caring for and about each other in a very desperate situation. Do I think it will last? Doubtful. But Kate didn't run, Sawyer didn't act all sleazy and tough. They do love each other as best they can.

As for people pointing out that Kate didn't actually say "I love you," as proof that she's really all about Jack, when has she ever shied away from lying? We know she's said those words before in order to manipulate (the bank heist) someone. I don't think that proves anything either way.

The writers went too far. Kate doesn't love Sawyer, she didn't say it, and aside from that it was extremely weird and creepy that it happened in the cage. Unfortunately the angst for Sawyer/Kate is gone, and so are they as a couple. Problem is TPTB have a lot of problems where Kate is concerned. Her character was tarnished in a way because she's still OHHH JACK, but she had sex with Sawyer. IN U.S. magazine 60% said this was LOST's worst season, and many can see why. There are so many things wrong with this season from the new fabio and Nikki people on the Island (they are just laughable) to splitting everyone up.............and then the Skate sex. I think it's safe to say that the show is going spirling downward, and no one has a parachoot on. I don't want Kate with Jack now, but Kate won't be with Sawyer for too long either. She rolls her eyes at him, gets annoyed by him, and well let's face it, Sawyer can't be Sawyer in a relationship. So not only does the sex no only leads to no more Jack and Kate (hopefully), but it also ends Kate and Sawyer as well. Let's face it, there is no where to go with that relationship. That's why you got sooooo much sooooo soon. The begining to the end of a lot of things.:) Happy Hunting Lost fans
I disagree... and I've always, without gettng attached, been a supporter for Kate loving Jack, and not Sawyer (which I still think is the case). Just based purely on what I've seen.

I just watched all 6 episodes of Season 3 in a row last night, and let me tell you, as a collective, this season has been AMAZING. A real Lost-equse feel about them as a whole. I felt like I was back to watching Season 1 again, only with the characters I now know and love in a VERY different situation. So I don't think its on a downward spiral (and no INTERNET poll of all thing is going to make me change my mind).

What we've got to understand about the characters is that their all (J, K, S) being broken both physically and emotionally.

- Kate is broken. Completely and utterly broken. Look at her in A Tale Of Two Cities when she's first put back in the cages. She's being caged (her greatest fear), seperated from Jack (whether or not she loves him, its almost as if she needs him to feel safe, made to watch Saywer get abused... and who knows what they told her at the infamous "breakfast"

- Sawyer became resigned to being killed after being led to believe that there's no way of escape. He was also beaten to a pulp on a number of times. Trapped in a cage, with the only way of getting food is to work out the "complicated gizmo's". He's being broken too.

- Jack was seemingly willing to save Ben's life so he could get off the island (except for the final twist at the end of I Do). This was after days of maniupulation by Juliet and their perfect plan to "break him".

They've been manipulated, fightened, emotionally and physcailly used and abused... Of course characters are going to act "different" (bad choice of word) when their put in those situations. I think "real" is probably a better work than "different".

I'm lovin' it! :biggrin:

I'm not a shipper or anything .

I'm sure I'll feel stupid when I get the answer, but can someone tell me what a "shipper" is?

Thanks!:confused:

I'm sure I'll feel stupid when I get the answer, but can someone tell me what a "shipper" is?

Thanks!:confused:
Fans of a particular couple follow along with that relationSHIP...and so are called 'shippers'. :smile:

I'm sure I'll feel stupid when I get the answer, but can someone tell me what a "shipper" is?

Thanks!:confused:

wow this is the third thread in a row I've read where someone asked what a shipper is! This thread explains it very well

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=64336

About the scenes - very sweet, and very tastefully done. I cried through the whole thing - now - 3 times.

Glad to know that I wasn't the only one who cried. First time ever since Lost started. Very moving scene with the two of them.....

60% said this was LOST's worst season,

I think it was actually EW, not US mag and it was 58%. Just to be accurate here.
But regardless of the number or the source, you can't make a jump that because about 60% said this is the worst season it has to be because Kate and Sawyer were made a couple.
I'm a total Skate shipper and loved every second of their interactions. But...if I were to take a poll which asked me to rate the seasons of LOST in order, this season would come out worst. Not because of Kate and Sawyer, but because I really liked the creepy island stuff and the mysterious others we never saw and all the stories of all the othe