Yes it was.

Female age 16-30. I wonder how many guys liked this eppy. I mean come on....that love scene?

As The Island Turns. Where oh where did LOST go?

I thought the love scenes were the only resolutions we got in this episode. I was hoping we would learn a little more about the others this episode.

I agree, bobcagen!

No. I'm not a shipper, and I loved it.

Female age 16-30.


UUUUHHHHHhhhh... You might need to STREEEEEEEEETCH that age range a bit... I know it's hard to believe - and maybe a little gross - but LOVE transcends ALL ages...:irked: :cheeky-smiley-022: :getlost:

Yes it was.

Female age 16-30. I wonder how many guys liked this eppy. I mean come on....that love scene?

As The Island Turns. Where oh where did LOST go?

No, I think it is more character based. Jack and Kate have both grown as characters (not having anything to do with the triangle, btw) and we have some nice morsels... the comment about Jacob, Juliet's duplicity over Alex and Ben wanting to connect, and Eko's stick. How they get out and where the characters are next season will be changed as well.

To me the love scene was silly and for a brief moment I felt exasperated and bored because of it. But, that quickly subsided. Regardless of whether one feels Jack's actions are predictable from OUR perspective, for the characters and the storyline, it's a huge turning point.

I'll put it bluntly... this episode made me willing to briefly bear the onslaught of negativity this place has become to post here on an episode night again after a long time. No other episode since "One of Them", maybe even earlier, has managed that. I've avoided this place because I've steadfastly refused to jump the bandwagon of hate on this great show, and also refused to shovel against the crap-storm, a position I've held since my post at the end of Season 1 and, but for this brief exception, will continue to do.

In short?

Yes. Yes, it was.

I have to disagree.

I watched with a group of four guys and six girls (including myself). Certainly the boys aren't very interested in the "romance" aspects of the show, and the girls are not at all what I would call "shippers," either. But all ten of us loved the episode. We couldn't stop talking about it after it was done. (Add another two friends, a guy and girl, onto the list of non-shippers who loved it; they weren't able to come but they called me after the show to talk about it.)

Shipping aside, the saving grace of this episode was Jack. Everyone I was watching with was like, "HELL YEAH!" when Jack told Ben, "I just want you to understand how you're going to die" and when he started kicking some butt in the OR. At the end of the episode everyone was like, "Jack figgin' RULES!"

Great episode all the way around, I think. Sure there wasn't a lot of sci-fi stuff, but we got a lot of great CHARACTER stuff and that's every bit as important in my opinion, and certainly seems to be amongst my group of friends.

Yep I think pretty much for them. We got other decent tid bits here and there, but mostly not. Which in my opinion would be fine, if it weren't the last epi before the long break. I wanted more from this end of the mini-season.

No, it wasn't.

It had the Kate/ Sawyer/Jack thing but it also had the Locke/Eko, etc funeral, Alex as subversive, who's Jacob, surgery or not to sugery, Jack the tough guy. There was much more to ponder than the triangle.

Come on. I'm not a shipper, but the whole scene took less than a minute, and was necessary to drive the plot. So no, it was not only for the shippers (but if they liked it, I'm happy for them).

Yes, IMO, it was a shipper episode. And that's why I thought it was pretty boring. *Sigh*..... why can't we get to some interesting stories?

Not a shipper, but I was hugely interested in this episodes triangle plot because I wanted Jack to behave in character and not turn into a jealous a-hole out of the blue(so Im obv happy). Its not just for shippers I think as everyone I watched with loved it quite a bit, and all the reactions i've been reading on non-Lost-centric message boards by non-shippers are almost universally positive as well. It might just be because of the last 15 minutes or so. I dont know, I havent actually attempted to rewatch anything prior to the surgery yet.

Yes it was.

Female age 16-30. I wonder how many guys liked this eppy. I mean come on....that love scene?

As The Island Turns. Where oh where did LOST go?

I find the whole "who will she choose" thing less interesting than Jin and Sun's relationship or Hurley and Libby. Once I realized that it was a retelling of Empire Strikes Back and she was sure to choose Han Solo over Luke Skywalker then it was predestined and uninteresting.

But toward the latter half of Season 1 I figured that there were too many shirtless dudes on this show for it not to be some kind of:

Wednesday is Ladies Night, men's clothing half off.

I'll back off and let them enjoy it, but dang, I put this on DVD-r and just fast forwarded through the prison sex scene.

but Kate's flashback deserved two episodes, there was way too much left out of that one to have it make sense- a marriage in 3 scenes.

The best thing that could come of it would be additional sex with Jack and the question of whose baby is it? But that would turn this into Dark Shadows, just a sci fi soap.

Don

I don't know if it was or not..I just know that I didn't like it and I'm not a shipper. Jack's part was the only saving grace in this episode and when I replay it his parts are the only thing I will rewatch. The rest will get fast forwarded.

That really doesn't mean its a 'bad' episode as such. Its just not to my particular taste which is no beter or no worse than anyone else's here.

Was this eppy only for the shippers?Man, I am tired of internet "slang"; why can't people just type proper words? :eek2:

I believe that "eppy" is a replacement for the word "episode", but what is meant by "shippers"? Working for a package shipping company, to me that means someone that is shipping a package or parcel. But, apparently, it means something different here . . . :confused:

Man, I am tired of internet "slang"; why can't people just type proper words? :eek2:

I believe that "eppy" is a replacement for the word "episode", but what is meant by "shippers"? Working for a package shipping company, to me that means someone that is shipping a package or parcel. But, apparently, it means something different here . . . :confused:


The term 'shipper' comes from the word relationSHIP. A 'ship' is when there is some kind of love connection between two characters on a show.

Let's take Kate and Sawyer for example. There are viewers who watch mostly for them and to see how their relationship develops. This give the 'ship' a cute nickname that is the combination of both their names like "Skate-Sawyer and Kate-get it? Cute huh? No..ok. :D ) Sometimes its more descriptive like the Charlie and Claire ship is sometimes called PB&J after both the peanut butter that brought them together and the cute term "Pregnant Broad and Junkie-even though that's not what they are anymore :D )

Shippers are followers of a 'ship'. Skate folowers are called 'skaters' Jack and Kate followers are called "Jaters. I don't know what they call people who follow Charlie and Claire. I've ben calling them C/C shippers for lack of anything else.

Clear as mud? I thought so. :D

Jack's part was the only saving grace in this episode and when I replay it his parts are the only thing I will rewatch. The rest will get fast forwarded.


Agreed.

The rest of the episode was...mainly for them I guess :ohwell: .

Im not a shipper , but I dont think that episode could have gone any better.

And as someone mentioned above , im glad they didnt turn Jack into the "Green Eyed Monster" and completly change who he is.

That was a well written episode , though I do tend to think Mathew Fox overacts the old Dilema situations.

I dunno, I'm a guy, 22 and I loved it.
I was actually gettin a little choked up in the scene right before they started making out.

Guys do have emotions too ya know...

UUUUHHHHHhhhh... You might need to STREEEEEEEEETCH that age range a bit... I know it's hard to believe - and maybe a little gross - but LOVE transcends ALL ages...:irked: :cheeky-smiley-022: :getlost:

Amen!!!!!!! I'm not a shipper and I'm over 45 (OMG!!!!!!!!) and I loved the jungle love scene! I also liked all the other scenes as well. I think the episode didn't waste a minute and, for that, I'm grateful. No, we didn't see Hurley and the beachies but I'm hoping soon that there will be a beachies eppy so that we get our beach fix.

No, it wasn't.

It had the Kate/ Sawyer/Jack thing but it also had the Locke/Eko, etc funeral, Alex as subversive, who's Jacob, surgery or not to sugery, Jack the tough guy. There was much more to ponder than the triangle.

You said a mouthful there, Robinhood! So many things to think about other than Kate and Sawyer in the intervening weeks! I imagine this board is going to be crazy with speculation, foilers and spoilers (even more so than usual) for the next 13 weeks.

Jack broke his Hippocratic oath though somewhat.

I am guy, could really careless who Kate chose as long as it made a good story. This was the payoff of that story and should make for interesting times for the two characters. I love that bad *** Jack was back, and really this the first time I left watching an episode and was like hell yeah Jack in a long time. We got a few other small island tidbits, but overall the story and pacing of the episode was good.

Jack's part was the only saving grace in this episode and when I replay it his parts are the only thing I will rewatch. The rest will get fast forwarded.Ha, this is exactly what ended up happening when I tried to rewatch the whole thing. I guess I let that great ending color my opinion of the entire episode. Its been a problem for me throughout the entire mini-season actually. Generally, everything with Jack, Ben, or Juliet = Good(the more of them present, the better the scene). Everything else = varying shades of meh.

If you deduct Kate-Sawyer scenes, Kate flashback, there is not much left, 8-9 minutes of real Lost. So I say definitely for shippers... I consider sex scene unnatural as the story leading to the scene was lame. No believable danger feeling, incredibly dumb actions from a conman and a criminal... And Jack seeing them together... That was the lowest point of Lost for me. I really couldn't believe in my eyes that they could use such a soapy scene..





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I'm not really a shipper, but I did enjoy the episode a lot. Jack saved the day for me. I think they were under some pressure to have Kate hook up with someone. It wasn't believable IMO, but I'm not that upset about it either.

I'm a female in the OP's mentioned age range, and to be honest I felt like that ep didn't have all that much to offer. I'm a shipper in the sense that I'll go "awww!" at a cute scene, (I don't care who it's between) as long as the episode manages to do something productive during or around that cute scene. I'm NOT so much a shipper that a whole lot of face-sucking and some implied sex makes a satisfactory episode for me. I liked what was going on with Jack and Benry, but it seemed like there was only half an episode there.

So Kate and Sawyer screwed. So what? I was hoping something a little more exciting would happen.

definitely not a skate or jate shipper (not a Kate fan) and I'm 18 but I thought the episode was excellent, and not because of the love scene. It was all about Jack's dramatic turn-around and "boo ya" moment. <-- that's all my sister and I could talk about afterwards.

That was a well written episode , though I do tend to think Mathew Fox overacts the old Dilema situations.

Oh no you didn't!

Jack was perfect! In my opinion he is the best actor on LOST and is one of the finest actors i have ever seen on television for a long, long time.

For the record, i thought the episode was good but not great. I thought the on island action was decent, the flashbacks were so incredibly boring, ***MOD EDIT*** After the episode i voted it a 7 on the rating thread, and i still stand by that. The ending was really well acted and directed, but i would have liked a better cliffhanger, a bit more to chew on if you will.

Was this episode only for the shippers? Hmmm. I don't think so. I'm sure it's meant for all fans not just ones who only care about who is with who. It just happened to be a big part of the story we got to see this episode.

I'm a 27 year old man and I thought this episode ranked up there with the best LOST episodes ever. I mean, Kate was nearly naked onscreen....eye candy anyone?