wtf ?
of all people why would she be calling him?
Guilt?...yes

but at least she used the timer to ensure she wasnt getting traced...or to hope they couldnt trace her.

she had a direct line to him, so they had some more contact that we are still missing...

Kate calling him was brought up in Exodus. Something about her going on about her "mitigating circumstances" but she was really taunting him.

Yes that was a really personal thing to do, didn't the marshall say Kate used to call him and taunt him, is this what he's referring too?

This made me think of the movie "Catch Me if You Can", when Leonardo DiCaprio's character (a fugitive) calls Tom Hanks' character (an FBI agent who was dedicated to catching him), and begs him to let him go. He does this when he had fallen in love and was getting married. He had called him every Christmas, I think, to taunt him because they were both stuck alone on the holidays.

I don't think that it was out of guilt. She just wanted to live a normal life, without worry about her past. The conversation definitely indicated that she had called him before.

Very reminiscent of the movie, "Catch Me If You Can". Frank Abignale's character (Leonardo DiCaprio) would periodically call the FBI officer (Tom Hanks). Both Kate's story and that film are about people compelled to run; who keep taking a stab at settling down and living a normal life, only to fall back into their old ways.

Strange that he brought up the Feast of the Ascension, and the fact that "many holy days have passed since we spoke".

And it was strange that he offered her freedom if she settled down. I wonder if he really would have made good on that, if Kate had been able to stay the course..

ETA: Dharma Chick - GMTA.. we were both posting the same thing:)

For me it calls to mind the old theory that there was a personal reason that the Marshall pursued Kate so relentlessly. She called him Edward! We got a really good shot of his wedding ring. He said that if she would really settle down in one spot he would stop chasing her. This does not sound like just a law enforcement officer chasing a suspect. It's really weird considering so much of this episode was focused on her love life. Remembering that she cozied up to Jason to get him to rob the bank, I'm really getting weirded out by her romantic...pattern.

He was taunting her about always calling on religious holidays. That DOES sound like a tip of the hat to "Catch Me If You Can," DharmaChick! Nice call! :clapping:

But, yeah, Ed Mars told the airport security dude about how Kate kept calling him and calling him. Talk about your dysfunctional relationships! :laughing:

But Ed seems to know Kate better than she knew herself. He knew that she'd never be able to "stay put" or settle down. He knew she was asking him to stop looking for her cuz she'd met someone. He KNEW her! Given different circumstances, the two might've wound up married--or living together!--themselves!

For me it calls to mind the old theory that there was a personal reason that the Marshall pursued Kate so relentlessly. She called him Edward! We got a really good shot of his wedding ring. He said that if she would really settle down in one spot he would stop chasing her. This does not sound like just a law enforcement officer chasing a suspect. It's really weird considering so much of this episode was focused on her love life. Remembering that she cozied up to Jason to get him to rob the bank, I'm really getting weirded out by her romantic...pattern.

I'm with you, shootfire. She wasn't taunting him, she was practically begging him to leave her alone. She said she really loved this guy. Their conversation did not sound like pursuer and fugitive to me. It sounded very personal and like she was asking permission from him.

There is a lot more to their relationship than we know yet.

I don't think Kate waa actually taunting him, but suggesting perhaps the marshall saw these type of phone calls as taunts due to their past history.

I think it's funny how the Marshall said Kate was "taunting" him, when that was NOT what she was doing. That's just the way he interpreted it.

Do you guys think the Marshall would really have left her alone? It doesn't seem like he would just let her go for kicks. Or did he only say that knowing she wouldn't be able to stay put and knowing that his offer was pointless?

I feel like it was more the later.

I think he was lying and he is the one doing the taunting. He lies a lot, if you recall. I doubt this thing with Kate is competely about legal issues but more about personal ones.

Just really don't know what to think about the "Calling on Holy Days" business...

For me it calls to mind the old theory that there was a personal reason that the Marshall pursued Kate so relentlessly. She called him Edward! We got a really good shot of his wedding ring. He said that if she would really settle down in one spot he would stop chasing her. This does not sound like just a law enforcement officer chasing a suspect. It's really weird considering so much of this episode was focused on her love life. Remembering that she cozied up to Jason to get him to rob the bank, I'm really getting weirded out by her romantic...pattern.I totally agree!

Also, as soon as she called he was like "What's his name?" like this had been an ongoing pattern or something... Maybe she was in a similar scenario with Edward at one point. :shrug:

For me it calls to mind the old theory that there was a personal reason that the Marshall pursued Kate so relentlessly. She called him Edward! We got a really good shot of his wedding ring. He said that if she would really settle down in one spot he would stop chasing her. This does not sound like just a law enforcement officer chasing a suspect. It's really weird considering so much of this episode was focused on her love life. Remembering that she cozied up to Jason to get him to rob the bank, I'm really getting weirded out by her romantic...pattern.


I think you have nailed it! I always thought, ever since she told Sawyer she was married before that she was married to the Marshall. I still think she could have been. Her mariage to Kevin could not have been legal since she was using a fake name. Maybe her only legal mariage was too the Marshal? They made sure we saw a close up of his wedding ring tonight!
The first thing I thought when I saw her on the phone was the movie Catch Me I f You Can (good movie) and based on a true story.
Althought this epi may have answered the question "who was Kate married to " It still doesn't answer the question about her last name Ryan? That she used when she borded plane with the marshal?

Strange that he brought up the Feast of the Ascension, and the fact that "many holy days have passed since we spoke".



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Yes that was weird. Why would you just come out with those comments??:undecide: but it was also good coz it linked the mystical side of Lost which i thought had gone this season but those comments brought it back in. I know there are alot of religious comments in Lost but from the marshall I didnt really expect that. hhhmmmm.

This made me think of the movie "Catch Me if You Can", when Leonardo DiCaprio's character (a fugitive) calls Tom Hanks' character (an FBI agent who was dedicated to catching him), and begs him to let him go. He does this when he had fallen in love and was getting married. He had called him every Christmas, I think, to taunt him because they were both stuck alone on the holidays.

I don't think that it was out of guilt. She just wanted to live a normal life, without worry about her past. The conversation definitely indicated that she had called him before.
I second that, fabulous catch, DharmaChick! About the "many holy days have passed". I love that movie.

Kate's calls must have been like phone sex to Ed Mars -- after all, think of the fugutives he would usually have to chase -- middle-aged drug and gun runners with pot bellies! :biggrin:

Kate's calls must have been like phone sex to Ed Mars -- after all, think of the fugutives he would usually have to chase -- middle-aged drug and gun runners with pot bellies! :biggrin:

LOL, there's probably some truth to this, if he's going to have obsess over capturing someone and have to think about them 24/7, then Kate would be ten times more preferable then some overweight Hell's Angel biker :biggrin:

Also, when the plane was going down, and the oxygen masks fell from the ceiling, didn't she put one on the Marshall? An odd act unless she really did care about the guy who had her in handcuffs and was sending her off to jail.

I think you have nailed it! I always thought, ever since she told Sawyer she was married before that she was married to the Marshall. I still think she could have been. Her mariage to Kevin could not have been legal since she was using a fake name. Maybe her only legal mariage was too the Marshal? They made sure we saw a close up of his wedding ring tonight!
The first thing I thought when I saw her on the phone was the movie Catch Me I f You Can (good movie) and based on a true story.
Althought this epi may have answered the question "who was Kate married to " It still doesn't answer the question about her last name Ryan? That she used when she borded plane with the marshal?

Yes, I think you may be right. The one sticking point for me in all of this was that Kate acted like she had no idea who the marshall was when he tracked her to the bus station headed for Tallahassee. Based on that, it just didn't make sense. The way he talked about Tallahassee, so sarcastic, made me think he knew exactly why she was going there. Thing is, this episode also gave us reason to doubt that she didn't know exactly who the marshall was at that time. The first we saw of Kevin in this epi, she was pretending to not know who he was. Using her relationship with Kevin as context, it could be that she had a relationship with the marshall, but that she lied to him about who she was as well. That would make all of her "you don't know me" comments sound a bit different.;)

For the record, I have never trusted that game of I Never. Given what we know of her character, it seems to me that she may well have been lying about a lot of things, or at least not saying what we thought she was saying. Remember, back in the day most of us thought she was referring to Tom when she indicated that she had killed a man. Turns out it was her father.

Must rewatch WKD...:24:

Must rewatch WKD...:24:

yeah, I'm about to rewatch everything all over again, in a large part to reinterpret Kate's scenes, and I have a feeling it'll happen a few more times before the series is over.

Yes that was weird. Why would you just come out with those comments??:undecide: but it was also good coz it linked the mystical side of Lost which i thought had gone this season but those comments brought it back in. I know there are alot of religious comments in Lost but from the marshall I didnt really expect that. hhhmmmm.Agree, it was surprising coming from him. He seemed pretty smarmy - that was a strange thing for him to say..

Thing is, this episode also gave us reason to doubt that she didn't know exactly who the marshall was at that time. The first we saw of Kevin in this epi, she was pretending to not know who he was. Using her relationship with Kevin as context, it could be that she had a relationship with the marshall, but that she lied to him about who she was as well. That would make all of her "you don't know me" comments sound a bit different.;) That's a really interesting and smart angle shootfire. It really does make me wonder about alot of her previous statements.

Must rewatch WKD...:24: Sure, what the heck.. We've got 13 weeks..

Kate and Ed's "relationship" is the most fascinating thing about her backstories. Here's hoping Our Favorite Fed will be back next time Kate gets an eppy!

Their relationship is really strange. It seems like after WKD, Kate could no longer have normal contact with friends, family, etc. Her only continuous relationship after WKD was with the Marshal. It's like he became her confidant in weird, twisted way. Ironically, he was the only one that she felt "safe" calling because he was the only link to her past.

I don't think she was ever taunting him either, unless there is more to the story that we don't know about yet. He does seem like a jerk who has obsessive issues and he made sure to rub it in whe he finally caught her in Australia. I really hope we get to see more of Kate's "mitigating circumstances" and the relationship between these two in a future flashback.

I don't know how Kate felt, but I have no doubt that the marshall was in love with her. Being a marshall who gets to chase after a beautiful girl would be like legalized stalking.

I don't know how Kate felt, but I have no doubt that the marshall was in love with her. Being a marshall who gets to chase after a beautiful girl would be like legalized stalking.


LOL! That cracked me up. :laugh: The truth of the Marshal's obsessiveness is finally revealed.:biggrin:

I wouldn't be surprised if the Edward Mars was the laughing stock of the Marshal community. Kate's made a fool of him on more than one occasion.

I also since the beginning thought that the marshall was in love with Kate and still think that. Since the pilot episode we got the feeling that it was more than just a marshall that captured a fugitive. They had a deeper relationship. Kate called him because of her guilt and nothing more. That's my opinion. However when you see him and hear him talk you sense alot more going on there.

I don't think she was taunting him but how stupied must he have felt - she was more of an accidental killer yet she ran rings around him and I think it is why he became obsessed with catching her. I had forgotten about her putting his oxygen mask on when the plane crashed - maybe this was just to point out that she wasn't all bad.

... He said that if she would really settle down in one spot he would stop chasing her. This does not sound like just a law enforcement officer chasing a suspect. It's really weird considering so much of this episode was focused on her love life. Remembering that she cozied up to Jason to get him to rob the bank, I'm really getting weirded out by her romantic...pattern.

I presumed it was some kind of con. There was no reason that her case shouldn't be reviewed by a grand jury.

Don

For the record, I have never trusted that game of I Never. Given what we know of her character, it seems to me that she may well have been lying about a lot of things, or at least not saying what we thought she was saying. Remember, back in the day most of us thought she was referring to Tom when she indicated that she had killed a man. Turns out it was her father.

Must rewatch WKD...:24:

Ah, never mind this post. You were referring to the I Never game, duh! My bad.

this comment has nothing to add to this conversation, but i just had to share.....

every time i read the marshall's name, Edward Mars, i think of the book Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. but i digress.....

Hey, I wanted to add the conclusions I have come to about this as I added to another post. I'll paste here:

I would think that perhaps Kate calling on holy days had to do with the redemption theme. I think redemptive forgiveness and a fresh start and peace with herself is what she has always sought. Conversely, it's judgement, punishment and her self-hatred she has always run from. The marshall represents to Kate everything she has done and her conflict is seen by her calling him.