Other than Sawyer fighting back, punching him in the nose (right?) and waving guns etc every chance he gets...why does that "Other"(sorry forgot his name) want Sawyer dead so badly? Sawyer himself didn't kill any of the Others, right? I mean, the Others killed and kidnapped the Losties from day one, what did they expect? they act like they have divine authority over who comes, goes, lives or dies, and yet they seem angry at the sheer NERVE of our Losties to fight back?
Oh man, my daughter had her eyes covered and I just about welled up, the way they shot that scene, I thought that was it for beloved Sawyer. Phew!

I don't know, saltspringa. I know Pickett's wife died at the hands of someone on Sawyer's "team", and Sawyer has been most belligerent with him. :71: But yeah, taking revenge on someone because they are from that same team, but not the actual person who committed the crime - sounds a little like gang behavior to me.


I still want to know, WHY were Kate and Sawyer on the list??

Yeah, seems like Pickett just wants revenge for his wife being killed. He won't, apparantly hit or kill a woman, so instead of Kate he takes his fury out on Sawyer. And honestly, like you mentioned, Sawyer has placed a pretty large target on his back whenever a confrontation with the Others has come up. Not to say that it wasn't justified.

I don't know, saltspringa. I know Pickett's wife died at the hands of someone on Sawyer's "team", and Sawyer has been most belligerent with him. :71: But yeah, taking revenge on someone because they are from that same team, but not the actual person who committed the crime - sounds a little like gang behavior to me.


I still want to know, WHY were Kate and Sawyer on the list??

I think they were on the list to use as leverage to get to Jack - so he would do the surgery.

Yeah, seems like Pickett just wants revenge for his wife being killed.


But he acts like Sawyer is the one who killed her. I don't get it.

He just doesn't like Sawyer and Colleen's death gives Pickett the excuse he needs to kill him. If I remember correctly, Pickett had it in for Sawyer before Coleen was killed.

He just doesn't like Sawyer and Colleen's death gives Pickett the excuse he needs to kill him. If I remember correctly, Pickett had it in for Sawyer before Coleen was killed.

Pickett kicked Sawyer in the stomach on the dock and was rough with Michael too. I think Pickett is a violent brute in any circumstances. Then Sawyer broke his nose and taunted him. Then his wife died. I can understand Pickett channeling his anger on Sawyer.

I think Pickett is going to get killed by a lostie this season. He probably has his misguided reasons for wanting to bury Sawyer, but he basically seems like he is destined to get killed. They have made him such a violent bloodthirsty villain so that when it happens we can all get a big cheer out of it. I don't think we have seen the last of his violence yet though. I would be surprised if he doesn't kill at least one lostie before he bites the dust.

yeah I think he just hated Sawyer from the start and when Colleen died, he had to take it out on someone. Enter Sawyer. I hate seeing Sawyer abused so much though! Jeez, leave the guy alone for a little, give him a break!!

Yeah Pickett is just a violent guy. He views the Losties as sort of one big entity and he is taking out his anger on the closest person. He already didn't like Sawyer so it's just an excuse to beat up on him.

if you are going to take you anger out on someone, it's certainly going to be someone that you depise. pickett just can't stand sawyer and just sees him as an easy target for his anger.

Didn't Pickett say right before they left to go kill Sawyer that Sawyer wasn't on the list?
This would also make him a good target, as he could kill Sawyer without much retribution from Ben, since Sawyer is expendable if he's not on the list.

But yeah, Sawyer is a cocky tough guy, constantly giving Pickett lip. Pickett wants to take out his anger and frustrations on someone, why not the guy who is constantly trying to piss you off?

He just doesn't like Sawyer and Colleen's death gives Pickett the excuse he needs to kill him. If I remember correctly, Pickett had it in for Sawyer before Coleen was killed.

You remember right Mona! He's had a problem with Sawyer from the beginning. While he was somewhat rough with Michael and Jack, he's saved his rage for Sawyer from the beginning.

yeah I think he just hated Sawyer from the start and when Colleen died, he had to take it out on someone. Enter Sawyer. I hate seeing Sawyer abused so much though! Jeez, leave the guy alone for a little, give him a break!!

I told my husband that for over a year, I have been saying that if they don't let up on Sawyer, he's going to have to use Locke's wheelchair before he gets off the island and that now there are several who are also speaking out about Sawyer's abuse. He's takes it well, I must say, but I think he must have been abused as a child judging from remarks he's made earlier in the series (maybe after his parents died).

if you are going to take you anger out on someone, it's certainly going to be someone that you depise. pickett just can't stand sawyer and just sees him as an easy target for his anger.

The question as far as I can see, is why the anger towards Sawyer?? He doesn't particularly seem to hate Kate or Jack. And, he was really abusive before anything happened to Colleen so he can't use that as an excuse.

I don't know, saltspringa. I know Pickett's wife died at the hands of someone on Sawyer's "team", and Sawyer has been most belligerent with him. :71: But yeah, taking revenge on someone because they are from that same team, but not the actual person who committed the crime - sounds a little like gang behavior to me.


I still want to know, WHY were Kate and Sawyer on the list??



Bait to get Jack to do what they wanted. I think the whole thing was a setup to figure out what Jack would respond to, thus they put Kate to the test to see who she truly loved to see if there was a connection with Jack.
100%
Also, what happened to the Sawyer that had sized up the others quick, fast, and in a hurry when he first got there. Is the perception that they are on a separate island really dragging Sawyer down that much to where he doesnt even want to try to escape?

Yeah, Pickett's unjustified agression came fierce and came out of nowhere. I had been wondering why he hates Sawyer so much. then I remembered that, finale last season, Michael leads the 4 through the forest, and Sawyer shoots someone across the stream/river. Maybe they knew he was the one that pulled the trigger.

The writers never aluded to this though and now it's pretty much too late to include the justification for the hostility shown by Pickett.

It seems to me that if Picket was strictly revenge motivated, that he would want Sawyer to watch him kill Kate. That he would want to make another man suffer as he is suffering ... with loss. Interesting that TPTB switched the positions. If indeed revenge is the sole motivator.

I still want to know, WHY were Kate and Sawyer on the list??


I thought last night's epi finally cleared that up... they wanted jack to perform the surgery, kate to persuade jack, and sawyer to get to kate.
pretty sneaky.

Didn't Pickett say right before they left to go kill Sawyer that Sawyer wasn't on the list?
This would also make him a good target, as he could kill Sawyer without much retribution from Ben, since Sawyer is expendable if he's not on the list.

he said, "Shepherd wasn't even on Jacob's list." So it was Jack who wasn't on the list.

I'm going way out into left field with this idea.....but maybe Pickett is jealous of Sawyer. We see no children with the Others. I wonder if the male Others are sterile for some reason and Pickett sees Sawyer as a threat.....

Just an out there thought....

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Pickett moved to kill Sawyer almost immediately after Jack's first incision on Ben. That indicates to me that Pickett knew that killing Sawyer was something Ben would not condone. He was going to do it anyway, though. It seems Ben is in charge, but just barely.

I'm thinking that killing Sawyer wasn't on the "to do" list from the beginning. Once Sawyer started becoming a clown, then Pickett wanted him dead. Considering we know now that kate was to get Jack to do it and Sawyer was to get Kate to do what she needed, then now that the surgery is underway, Pickett can kill Sawyer if he wants as he is of no more use to them.

OR

There may be something that ties the pasts of Sawyer and Pickett......wouldn't that be interesting.

So we know if Colleen and Picket were on the boat that bombed the raft? Might be a part of the motive.

Picket also has regard for the "list" of the good ones.

Sawyer did shoot an Other in "Live Together, Die Alone." Maybe he shot a friend of Pickett's?

It seems to me that if Picket was strictly revenge motivated, that he would want Sawyer to watch him kill Kate. That he would want to make another man suffer as he is suffering ... with loss. Interesting that TPTB switched the positions. If indeed revenge is the sole motivator.

I think Pickett is a violent, brutal person who is just barely kept in control by Ben and Tom. He waited for Ben to be under the anesthetic before taking off to seek revenge from Sawyer.

I believe that part of the reason Pickett wants to kill Sawyer is because Pickett had to stand by and watch as the woman he loved died and he wants someone to feel that pain. He either can't or waon't kill a woman or maybe Pickett thinks that if he were to kill Kate it wouldn't devastate Sawyer the way Colleen's death devastated him.

Danny said "this is for Colleen." Must be prego brain but I can't remember how Sawyer affected Colleen's death. :confused:

Its a pretty bad disconnect if you ask me. Too easy for Pickett to lose his mind because Sun shot Colleen and then for him to go after Sawyer again and again and again, its a little lame and redundant.

I think they planned on killing Sawyer all along. Sawyer was supposed to die at the end of the bad two weeks for Kate. I say this because when Tom said that Pickett wanted to kill Saywer, Ben simply replied that he would have to wait. Then just before Pickett heads out to kill Sawyer the other guy is arguing with him saying the two weeks aren't up yet. Pickett just wants to speed up the killing because he is so pissed off. Also, it's pretty conicidental that the end of the two weeks appears to match up with when the tumor becomes inoperable.

Danny said "this is for Colleen." Must be prego brain but I can't remember how Sawyer affected Colleen's death. :confused:


Yes, my 11 year old keeps saying the same thing. He shouts, if they didn't kidnap J/J/K/H, then Sayid Jin and Sun wouldn't have been after them and Sun wouldn't have shot Colleen. Call me crazy but when your on a boat and someone sneaks on it and tries to kill you, it's called self defense!!

Danny is upset that Colleen was killed during a kidnapping attempt and complains that wasn't on the list!!!

IfPickett were just a generally violent douchebag, he'd be treating Kate badly, too. And if he was just upset about his honey, then he would have went after Jack for not saving her. Or Ben for sending her. If it were strictly revenge, with Sawyer as a scapegoat, then he'd kill Kate to make him suffer.

This tunnel vision must.kill.sawyer with the given the answer "this is for Colleen" is annoying.

Pickett seems to be filling the roll of 'dumb violent prison guard' while its not particularly original it does make for plenty of angst. Frankly though I'd much rather he have a stronger motivation.